>> sunday night on "after words"," republican presidential candidate and ohio governor john kasich discusses his new book. he is interviewed by former new jersey governor christine todd whitman. >> you talk in the book about trump wine and we should learn something from that. i have posited for a long time that the child and sanders voted were two sides of the same coin. there was a frustrated, angry, the scare people and he didn't care whether the person they're supporting it actually do what they said they're going to do. all they cared about was they said they're going to do something. do you think congress has learned its lesson that they were so -- >> i think congress is so dysfunctional.

>> usurped. what do we do? >> you know this. having to work with the legislature. what we have done is we've gerrymandered, which we've always done within people are gone out and saw the information that reinforce their views and shut out the information that didn't do that. and now if you are a republican in a safe district, remember we used to talk about safe districts? now if you're a safe district you have to watch a primary from the right is republican and from the left if you're a democrat. congress is going like this. and by the way, i think people gave up a bowling and took up watching cable television. and now they are very impatient and demanding of their representatives, and compromises like the worst thing you could ever do. >> watch "after words" sunday night at nine eastern on c-span2's booktv.

>> this morning i want to begin by introducing you to somebody from our book, and that is kim powers bridges. kim owns and operates bridges funeral home in tennessee. but she's not from tennessee. she is actually from oklahoma. she started her first business of their, a funeral business, but she had to leave oklahoma when she ran afoul of the law. turns out that kim was engaged in the very dangerous practice of selling caskets without a funeral directors license. before that in the early 1980s kim was on the executive fasttrack. she grew up in account of hard-working entrepreneurs. she learned the relationship between hard work and success, and after she left college she enjoyed a lot of success, in a number of different businesses. eventually she ended up at one of the nations largest funeral companies, and there she sold

preneed funeral services. she saw this as a way to combine hard drive in business with her desire to help people through her work. and as before she was very successful in that business. it after a few years she began to notice that there was a need, and niche to be filled, classic entrepreneur. and that was she saw that in the funeral industry the merchandise that was sold was marked up a significant amount, caskets, for instance, would be marked up anywhere from 250-600%. she began 600%. she began to think, how could i put together a business model that enabled me to sell the same merchandise but at a much lower cost. so she eventually left the funeral business. she joined up with dennis bridges who would left of the same company and they spent a year formula became memorial concepts online. as the name implied, their

business plan was to sell everything, all of the merchandise, particularly caskets, over the internet. they would take advantage of drop shipping from manufactures and would have any inventory on hand. that enabled them to keep their cost very low and then they pass on those savings to the consumers. they thought they had a winning business plan, and they did. but they ran into a problem. the problem was oklahoma state law says that if you want to sell a casket to consumers in oklahoma, and you are an oklahoma-based company, you must be licensed as a funeral director. and kim was not. she could've gone back to earn this license, but it would require her to go to school for two years. she would have to complete an internship during which time she would involve 25 bodies. then she would have to have a brick-and-mortar business in which she would have a selection

room, a preparation room, a viewing room and she would have to inventory on hand. none of which they are interested in. as if it were not irrational enough, to require a funeral directors license to sell a box, because that's what a casket is. it's an empty box the law also graded circumstance where an oklahoma-based company had to be a licensed funeral director to sell to consumers in oklahoma, but companies outside of the state who sold to consumers in oklahoma did not have to have a funeral directors license. so kim could've taken our business, which was essentially computer servers, she could have taken her servers and moved across the state line to kansas, and there she could've sold caskets to consumers in oklahoma all day long. but she didn't want to do that. she wanted to stay in oakland with her she wanted raise your family in her hometown of ponca city.

she thought the law was wrong. and not only wrong but injurious it because it enabled funeral directors to mark up their merchandise and take advantage of people a added difficult or vulnerable time in their life. so she stayed in oklahoma and she fought the law. she wasn't the only one who thought this law was wrong. some legislators did so as well. so beginning in 1999 they begin introducing a series of bills every year to remove the licensing requirement for casket sales. kim testified on behalf of several of these bills, and every year they lost. they lost for one reason and one reason alone, and that was the licensed funeral directors, the industry would go to the legislature and they would lobby aggressively to protect their license. and every year they succeeded. so today in oklahoma if you want to sell a casket and you are an oklahoma-based company, you must

have a funeral directors license. what kim and the legislators ran into is what we call in our book the bottleneck curse. bottleneck or is someone who advocates for the perpetuation of a government regulation, particularly and occupational license to restrict the free flow of workers into an occupation or to enjoy an economic benefit as a result. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> this weekend booktv on c-span2 features include the evangelicals, the struggle to shape america. today at 5 p.m. eastern with pulitzer prize-winning author. >> eventually it occurred to me that it was principally impossible to understand the evangelical right without

understanding its histories. and because a lot of their doctrine ideology point of view makes perfect sense any context of the 19th century. >> senator elizabeth warren at 8:50 p.m. eastern on the current state of the middle class and buck can be done to revive it. >> she has worked for several years now at walmart, and i asked gina after telling about about her life story when she built, how careful she had been, does she think that she is still middle-class? and gina said, i don't think there is a middle-class in america anymore. if there was, i wouldn't have to go to the food pantry at the end of every month. >> the life of president richard nixon signed at 3:45 p.m. eastern. ..