and a few slow music down or speed music up too much or slow down or speed up speech too much it ceases to be speech or music, so it is a very critical range. watching the tv on c-span to hear on the campus of the university of arizona talking with professors here who were also offers. want to introduce you now to linda, author of this book the life and times of inez holland. >> guest: this was the murder for women's suffrage in the united states. she was arguably the most famous female political figure of the 19 tens.

she was the epiphany of the new woman which was the first feminist of the 21st century among other things. she was a graduate, a lawyer that have to fight to be able to practice. she was a freedom lover partly the greenwich village crowd and was a war correspondent. she was a socialist, she was an advocate for prostitutes and basically anything any person that was the underdog. she also was rich and beautiful and she liked to dance. >> host: you open the book and what period are we talking about? >> guest: 1908 and 1909 and junior ambassador to college and also a star athlete, extremely popular sort of the start of the campus.

the women's suffrage movement had just gotten a joke in the u.s. because they are doing soap box and going out to the streets and of course women in the streets was quite shocking. we know the association. inez spent her teenage years in britain and they were ahead of the demonstration etc.. so she says we would like to have the women speak on the college campus and he said no. we are not here for you to be recipients of propaganda we are just here to educate you. she doesn't take no for an answer so she leaves and on one spring day about 25 students and faculty followed her from campus next door to a cemetery and bear all these wometheyare all theseo these suffragists, women who were independent and knew all about freedom, agencies, the

ability to enlist a meaningful life and have personal and professional fulfillment and why women should be able to vote. the president is furious at the press loved it and that is sort of the beginning of the love affair with inez milholland. >> guest: his father had come over before and the dad had grown up it looks like a new jersey congressman sort of mentors and, sent him off to college and he became a newspaper man and head of the editorial for the new york tribune republican paper. he also got involved in the marketing of the e-mail of the turn of the last century. you know when you go through the drive through at the bank, he

ran a company that installed underground tubing systems he rented out to the u.s. post office in manhattan. he was a stock speculator and i made him worth about half a million dollars in the early 19 hundreds which you could imagine what that would be worth today, so they were very comfortable. so right before the turn-of-the-century, he took her three kids to london. they had a life of culture, arts, intellect and he was really turned off by the spanish-american war. he hated teddy roosevelt because he felt roosevelt had taken his place and the rising star of new york city anti-machine politics.

he was a high official of the gop party so that is one reason he wanted to establish the tubes are here. the u.s. post office buying the system would yield millions of dollars so that is what funded their life. >> so, inez milholland leads and what happens? >> guest: ecstasy, she leaves and becomes an activist. one of the first things she does is get involved with the shirtless workers strike of 1909, 1910. it was the fashion of the day, skirt and top simpler than the victorian dress and of course the women that make these are paid pitiful wages under horrible conditions working ten, 11, 12 hours a day trying to organize and the workers locked

them out so the women's trade union league gets together and tries to keep an eye on them so the police don't harass them. they claim they are swearing at them and stuff and inez gets arrested twice when she complains about them trading the win in the way they were at the police station. during this time she's done for a lonknown fora long time she wa lawyer and there is a cadre from some of the first female american lawyer lawyer that greh village that is the place to be as a progressive person to visit a place to live. she tries to get into harvard law school and they say no because she is a woman. new york university is much more open to women lawyers and so she goes and gets a law degree.

meanwhile i should add she's still going every summer to london and it's interesting because she wants to do good but also likes to live well. she doesn't want to miss that summer long social season and so it's interesting she's mingling with these rich folks and dating noblemen folks over there and comes back and moves in this working-class way with the socialists. >> host: you talk about her as a new woman. what does that mean? >> guest: at that time it is unlike the first generation of women's rights activists in the 19th century who were very earnest. they are more about professional fulfillment and personal fulfillment which is the

opposite of the victorian true woman in a true woman is supposed to be selfless and live for everybody but herself and obese women who were also the first generation to go to college in fact only 5% of americans are going to college then and 40% are female so that opens up their minds to new ideas. they want to live a meaningful life. they want to be professional women and make the world a better place. beyond tha that they also belien sexual fulfillment. some of them believe in free love. very much about agency and a choice and of course that whole decade is a time of rejecting victorianism in old ways and embracing the new. it's all about testing everything.

this is when everything has the word new in front of it. you have new features. everything is new and free and they advocate that. they want to try everything. >> inez milholland went on to live a life of political activism. >> guest: she's always involved in suffrage and actually then they were soap boxing and they would drive around the city and cars honking their horns speaking from the bacthebackseat how women shoulde and also they start accelerati accelerating, taking to the streets in parades and she became famous for a parade in new york she was leaving. usually on horseback. she was a worse -- horse person

and at the most visible representative. one of the big criticisms is that the suffragists pour very masculine and they were not very womanly but she was a combination of being quite beautiful and quite physically stunning and a great speaker, very comfortable. often she would speak at smokers where only a pose at yale and then were and people were just blown away by this combination of brains and beauty. >> host: when you say she was famous, was she famous within her circle or the media what you and i have known about it? >> guest: she was famous across the country. she rose to national fame by

alice paul who leads the militant suffrage as the first suffragists purveyed in mid mid-washington, d.c.. this is the place americans go to claim their citizenship and it's interesting because you may have seen the pictures of her in her white horse because that was the first march with about 5,000 people and actually it was louder than the one in 2017 because the police were not crazy about having to control the crowd. it occurred on the evening before woodrow wilson's inauguration, first democrat in 20 years i think. it was a march back then. the crowd was littered up and women parading in the streets in the south was really pretty provocative so anyway, inez is

in a wonderful white outfit on a white horse with a crown on her head and goes off the head of oe main group of women. she's a couple yards ahead. they start out and it is a mob. all these men mob the women on the floor marching in all of their color-coordinated sections depending the group they are with so she actually on her horse surrounded by these men breaks through the mob and of course she's bigger than them and taller and faster because she's on the horse and she says you should be ashamed of yourself. make way for these women. meanwhile, alice paul is called from over the potomac river to the soldiers and says we need help we are being mobbed. so the soldiers come galloping down pennsylvania avenue and help her make way for the women who do struggle the next two hours to get to the treasury

building so this is all climaxing for the women's history movement. >> host: why don't we know who inez milholland is today? >> guest: that is a good question. partly because the larger suffrage group led by carrie chapman, they got through history and with a bigger group and took the route by 1917 of women doing more work, to prove that they are worthy of the vote. i should say, i should talk about inez going across the country -- >> host: you don't need to. the fact she died at the age of 30 that affect her later notoriety? >> guest: was going to say the

next thing is they persuade her in 1916 to campaign against wilson because he won't come out for the women's vote so she goes on this wild trip by train to wyoming, montana, washington state, california, nevada, nobody knows she's also very sick spending her nights in bed and doctors are giving her arsenic to keep going. she collapses on stage in los angeles and gets twisted around a little bit but her famous last words are mr. president, home of law must women wait for liberty. she collapses on stage and they take her to the hospital. she battles, goes up and down. she has a virus and finally dies november 25, 1916. the whole country is following this, they are just riveted.

when she dies, alice arranges to have a memorial in the u.s. capitol building in the rotunda. she's the only woman, the only person that wasn't a congressman that has ever had a memorial there. two weeks later she brings memorial delegation to meet with wilson at the white house to say don't let this woman die in vain, come out for suffrage. he doesn't january 10, 1917, 300 american women start picketing the white house, the first time it's ever been done by anybody. so quite known for that. i think partly the women's movement became a little more individualistic and there would be adds twist to the rest working towards structural change.

women thought they had the votes that took care of everything but back to your question i'm not sure why she isn't more famous. she deserves to pay. there's there is a small compase of aficionados around the country and we all wonder why isn't she more famous because i think she deserves to be. >> host: where did you find the best places for your research? >> guest: one place was in the ticonderoga which i found out in the card catalog at the public library for father's papers and diaries, so he is part of a biography of himself s who's ale was more information on the family there. the national women's papers which there is microfilm in various places around the country. the house that just became

declared a national park i believe which was an international women's party headquarters where alice paul actually lived a couple of years and is graced by this wonderful photograph, i'm sorry, oil painting of inez from the 1912 pings and was recently restored. that is a wonderful resource. other places i went to to trace the family come he changed when he came over here to milholland and went to the archives and i actually went to the little township that her grandfather was from and basically bumped into people who probably were related to her and they invited me to spend the night with them. interestingly the first place they took me to see is the grave

of bobby sands. remember he was among the northern irishman who went on hunger strike to protest the presence. so it's really interesting. >> host: linda teaches journalism at the university of arizona and is the author of this book come equipped with inez to life and death of the pope milholland." >> guest: thank you if you grow u grew up looking at thousands and thousands of faces until one day you see the face you feel was put on earth just for you and you fall in love in that moment. for me, trump was like that except it was the opposite. when i first saw him on the campaign trail, i thought this

is a person who is unique, horrible and amazing, terrible characteristics on earth specifically for me to appreciate or not appreciate, whatever the verb is. because i have been spending a lot of the last ten to 12 years without knowing it, preparing for donald trump to have been. >> a contributor to the rolling stone magazine and the author of several books including smells like dead elephants, dispatches from a rotting empire. the great derangement a terrifying true story of four, politics and religion. his most recent book insane clown president dispatches from the 2016 circus. during the live three-hour conversation we will take your calls and paste the questions on mr. taibbi blank literary

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