you might see some more of that. the widespread reform isn't very likely because it controls the entire process that could implement that reform. >> host: we've been talking with university of arizona professor the imperfect primary now on book tv, jesse peterson discuss it in teaching her youth. this program contains language some may find offensive.

welcome to greenlight a bookstore. the bookstore. we are honored to be hosting to present the new book. her new book is all day teaching kids at riker's island and she's going to be speaking so you were in for an excellent evening.ki another round of applause. [applause] a couple housekeeping things. if you have a cell phone or something that might make noise now is the time to silence it. we have copies of the book for sale at the register and we will be signing right here after words.nd we also have upcoming events so we hope you can check those outn

when you buy a book you not only get the work by a great author but you support your independent bookstore and during events like this one so we appreciate that. [applause] our interviewer for this evening is the associate vice president for strategic policy program implementation of columbia university and was a leader in the black panther party and served in prison before thein university. most recently invisible man in a contemporary narrativacontempore era of mass incarceration. he's going to be speaking with our featured author who's an actress living in brooklyn and worked with incarcerated youth in various capacities for 18 years and appeared on two seasons of groundbreaking poetry that was featured in the critically acclaimed film 13. the stage play tour in over 35

penitentiary areas across the country into the production is scheduled to premiere in theem fall of this year. the new book all day recounts the year in her classroom at the island academy. the high school for inmates to new york city's riker's island. the narrative captured with its prisoner hierarchies under the violence and constant threat of rupture across the inmates and keepers. despite the antics of her students and maybe in part because of it, peterson becomes a fierce advocate working not only to educate them but to instill them. the book has been praised byby critics, authors and activists including russell simmons and jacqueline woodson who writes it is a must read for anyone who's ever cared about young people and all people peterson brings amazing work, love and [laughter] the state of the juvenile justice system and its people we

will not soon forget and she adds i'm so glad this book is in the world. we feel the same way. rating from the book first and then conversations and google have chance to ask questions after that so please join me in welcoming to the stage. [applause] >> thank you all for coming out. i'm happy ti am happy to be herm going to jump right in. not going to give too much of an introduction. i'm going to read to short excerpts from the boat and just to put it in context, this wasex one year out of the 18 that i was a full-time schoolteacher which is different from the other capacities i worked.

i'm going to jump right in and do the excerpts. this is my first rodeo so i am a little nervous. [laughter] 's back christopher is a white skinned kid. his achameese niches on his youth holding space for a beer that isn't quite yet ready to grow. if it were not for the missing bottom tooth on his bottom grill, he would have a holds michael with perfectly straight teeth. he's builhe is built like a gla, tall and muscular. he walks with a bodybuilding swagger and it takes up too much space.

she never does work in talks all day barely moving his lips he makes a strange noise with his throat that sounds like alike am mangled fraud. it's a stupid game he likes to play with his voice. a weirdo, this kid. christopher, please stop making that noise, it is very annoying i demand. i have to admit he responded and spend three minutes latethen thr him making that ugly sound just tom defy me. my mama played bingo -- all the kids were singing l. l. cool j. and t. repeating a new word that they were getting a kick out of saying it in front of me thinking i had no idea what it

means. the third time i hear it i let them know i know what that means and ask them to stop saying it in front of me out of respect. telling them not to do something is of course registering in their brains to do it. christopher keeps saying it over and over again in the near voice while pleading with the guys to tell him what it actually means. they get a kick out of hearing him say something he doesn't know the meaning of and making me mad for saying it. what does that word mean, why are you tripping over it they ask. i can't him a dictionary and have him look it up. that word is in the dictionary? i thought it was spying. they were cracking up that he spelled the word out loud and

searched the dictionary. m., a., then. they had tears rolling down her face from laughter. it's not that funny. he asked a legitimate question and that is how you learn i said in my teachers voice. i have to be extra critical with this extra slippery slope. that word had a historical meaning and metaphorical meaning so once christopher finds the literal meaning i will tell you the slang meaning. christopher read out loud at the dictionary definition. a me a member of any number of people forming a group in west africa inhabiting a large area of the upper river valley. then i told them it is to employ

a man's large sized reproductiv. anatomy. i may as well have said dick delay they are carrying on. so now that you know how it is being used please don't use thae word around me. he is nodding his head in agreement. two seconds later when i turned my back i heard it again in a voice i hate. he's testing me to see what i will do, challenging me. rubbing the genie in my lamp. i draw a line in the sand. christopher, i asked you not to say that.

it is disrespectful, stop it right now and stop doing that thing with your voice, it is creepy. he shakes his head in a dismissive nod that reads like fuck you. my chest rises and falls smoothly with each breath i ta take. i turned my back to write on tht board and i hear mandango. i turn around i turned around in and i kneel down in the matrix allli body world of my neck beg the last thing to snap into alignment is a knee-jerk reflex that brings my genie out of thee lamp all in your face crazy woman flurry, full throttle extremely loud, intense and unhinged. i am sick and tired of your disrespect.srespect. i as asked you five times,

christopher, and i'm not having this foolishness in my class. you haven't done any work since you came here. running your mouth making a noise like kermit the frog and now you're totally disrespectful. you've been dismissed. i am not stupid and i do not play games with kids. you've got to go. i'm having none of your crap. get him out of here. i'm screaming like a wild banshee standing over him like a giant mother. he covers in his seat. i'm like a theatrical magician doing a magic trick rubbing powder from both hands. someone next door runs ended when he sees me standing over christopher with a look ofhe

homicide in my eyes, he poses momentarily to watch me before removing christopher out of my class. another approach is made and asks if i need a minute to go to the bathroom and calm down. no i don't need to go to the damn bathroom i snapped. i'm still in my crazy trance, no filter. the look on his face reeled me back into my body and i dialedet it back. excuse me for that, officer, i'm good. now that he's out of my class i'm good. he took it too far and i'm okay now. i'm slightly out of breath but steam was still speaking from out of my nostrils. then like a scene from simple without skipping a beat i continue teaching the class but nothing happens.

i do a 180-degree change of tone and go right through. now open your books to page 47. a verb as you remember showsr action. i'm speaking as calmly as can be but i am layered with hot ice. i walk the aisles making sure everyone is on task as i walk past one i noticed isn't on then correct page. i demand through my teeth turn to page 47. everyone should be on page 47. that is what we are here for. quickly he turned to page 47 and shakes his head with a look on his face and said in a whisper or in extreme. i've never seen you hit like that. you put on a show. i'm not messing with you.

then he turned to his buddy. she said to turn to page 47, i'm turning to page 47. a his comments drew some chuckles. without looking at him or raising my voice i addressed him in a slow monotone growl, there are no niggers in my class, maybe some schools, but no carrg niggers. i walked the aisles demanding work. my dad, he said and sits up straight over exaggerating his compliance like an obedient soldier. i laughed to myself because that is exactly my point, to go overboard and get crazy in the

eyes so they will think i'm a little nuts. mission accomplished. today will go down. this would last a few months.fe i could write on this until ther end of the semester and keep mama jeanie tucked away. [applause]use] i'm going to grab some water and read another excerpt. are you all right?

okay. what a day to have once been a criminal with no disgrace to remain a criminal is a disgrace how about the max. everyday i write a thought on the corner of the board and ask a student to give their thoughts. some mornings it is surprisingly illicit to get a discussion andc some may grumble or ignore me, too early for critical thinking, i get it. until this morning i wasn't surm if the seat of consciousness i was attempting to plant werean n registering. it brings to my attention was good. i smiled as the reques at the rs and they are in fact watching. you are so right and i write a

new thought for today on the board and he copied it into his notebook.. look at what you've been through and survived. you are a walking and talking miracle and so much more than you've been told. the first is about getting to know the characters working with them all day every day each year. the alpha males decided to se st in the front row the social parlaying. like the kitchen it is the space most comfortable where the real it conversations take place. later i found out the leader hap a crush on me. they call themselves the bosses.

they have stained attitudes always getting on my nerves. they are fly boys as fly as oney can be as they wouldn't bee caught dead in pumpkin seeds they think that the jailhouse speech to clearly have rank and power back in their housing area. they walk with confidence getting salutation and fist pumps and handshakes from other guys. me and my crew in high school thought we were the shit, too. , knowing who is who is criticaloh information to stand up ahead of

the potential explosions that might arise if most important having peripheral vision which is essential for classroom management. they sit in the same seat every day declaring their territory. they claim the front row seats on the left-hand side next to the door and the window that looks out into the hallway. the guys on their team's close behind them. the new journals keep to th themselves in the back center of the room. they are generally up for grabs since no one has a stronghold on that section. they sit next to the filthy windows. nothing to see but dirt on these windows. on the board i write students

will be able to discuss the five evolutions of malcolm x. and compare and contrast the evolution to their own and i write write a five paragraph essay reflecting upon andd answering the following question what is your government's name,n the name your mother gave you and what was your nickname on the streets and why. why are you in jail, you're jailhouse nickname and why and finally, look into the future and what kind of man do you see yourself evolving into. i asked the group. what are you talking about, five names, he was just malcolm x.. he had a different name than the name he was called when he was running the streets hustling. he was a hustler, yet he did time in prison.

the leader interjected lookinget for approval. watch your words but yes he did do time in prison and he was called something else and later changed his name to malcolm x.. then after his trip he would change it again to something else. so he had five games. what was the first, what is his government legal name, wanted his mother named him i asked,leg challenging them. i should know this, he said snapping his fingers tosi remember. spike lee did a movie on him. after a moment he said i don't know i can't recall. i he gives up. i held their suspense long enough, they will never guess so i told them, he was born malcoll

little and i write the name on a the board. when he was in the street hustling what was the street name he went by i continued. malcolm x. a dark past. she sold drugs and get a little bit of everything, gambling, hustling, he was on the street, hard body just like you saw what was his name i asked again looking at their bewildered faces and shrugging shoulders i try to give them a little bit of help. part of his name described the color of his hair and the other part was the name of the city he was from. tyrone was confident that he was right. harlem.no

not as many as brooklyn. i am not from brooklyn they responded with a smile knowing his comment would get a rise out of his body from brooklyn. watch your mouth, he growled falling right into the trap starting drama by any means necessary.. another one of the bosses chuckled. okay, everyone has snitches, let's focus. being called a snitch is a dangerous dishonor like the mob calling you a rat. i immediately reengaged him. malcolm did eventually end up in harlem but he wasn't originally from harlem. i am stumped i can't recall it.

he shakes his head in defeat. he had reddish brown hair. i would have never guessed that he admitted. well, now you know and that is how you learn i reassured him. his interest in the lesson seems to corral the class. he loved it and wanted to let me know. i like learning this. he bobs his head and shoots me i friendly slightly flirting smile. his skin is the color of molasses and he had porcelain white teeth that shine like brand-new piano keys. he's determined to beain destruction. he backed out of his seat. please take your seats i politely ask. i don't care about malcolm x. what did he ever do for me.

this way makes my blood rise. i want to slap the taste out of his mouth for disrespecting my hero, one of the most courageous black leaders i consider a divine miracle for black people in this pipsqueak is throwing dirt on my favorite gladiator. watch your mouth, don't dare disrespect to malcolm x. like that. go take a walk. i'm not dealing with you today. i pointed to the door desperate for him to get out. if someone asked me why i'm in the hallway and going to say that you told me i could take a walk and it will be more on you than me. he isn't a bad looking kid he just needs to see the dentist

and a wizard for a new attitude. [applause] so i guess we will have a little conversation and open the floor to. >> i really enjoyed the book. ir never having been imprisoned dat i've ever thought of the prospective.

can you talk a little bit about how you got to this place and kind of expand on that and howte you develop the documentation? >> my first was in 97, 98 and i was hired as a teaching artiste to do poetry workshops. my first time in jails and introductions to what we refer to as mass incarceration. i was supposed to do three weeks and then the nonprofit organization i worked for something to another school and

i wound up all the teachers on riker's island kept requesting the so i was the public residence for three years because they kept teasing me over and over again so that was my first introduction to the population and i had a really great connection and throughoutt the years i worked in reentry so i worked with organizations that help young people once theyhe return from rikers. i would've to recruiting and counseling so i worked in so many capacities and one year a principal at the school needed a substitute for the summer. he asked me whether i substitute for a couple of weeks because he knew me from being a teaching artist and i said sure. it was a way to make a steady income and from the summer he

asked me to stay on for the fal semester for a teacher. i needed the cash and a steady income so i took it on not having a clue of what i was getting myself into. when i was at rikers from this period of 2008 to 2009, i never thought of a book. all i could do when i came home and stresse download what coulde happened that day because it was sucking the marrow from my bones, just dealing with teenagers they are insane whether they are in jail. so it is a temporary phase of insanity that they go through.

so then i picked up my journal and by happenstance i picked up and read one of the passages that made me laugh and took me back. i kept turning the pages and thought i had chronicled my journey at rikers in my journa,t >> you use a lot of black history and other types of signage in terms of the black panther party, malcolm x. and you were talking about being on

a different team at the same page. can you tell me how do you feel about it now after you've written about it and can you still go back? >> i do advocacy independently so i'm not working with any organizations right now. >> you had an epiphany and things kind of changed. can you talk about how you feel about that today? >> what pushed me out was not the kids. i probably would have left a lot

sooner but i've grown so attached to them and felt a sense of responsibility and had this kind of mother bear protective thing with my kids in the class but it was theas the s administration and with the department of education that kind of created this straitjacket and i talk about it in the book it took away any creativity i could bring to the classroom. i had to wake up at 4:30 in the morning and it was a two-hour commute. and i'm an artist. i need to create and have thatat creative blood flowing and it was just constricting that so that's what's led to me going. it wasn't the jail environment because even after that i came

back, got a job working for a nonprofit and then i left and worked for another so they sent me back in and i worked for the department of counselors and so i was working with them every day. so even after i left as a full-time schoolteacher i was back reengage in the population. >> they are going to close the leadership and he said he's going to speed that up and make it three years.is the biggest issue i think is

reentry. billions of dollars are invested in a so you see yourself as ar,i black liberator. what kind of landing space do you think that you would want to carve out for young people in prison when they get out to help them integrate back into society? >> guest: we work specifically with adolescents coming home. providing job training servicesg and counseling but i think ant important component that needs to be supported if there needs

to be a connection of what they call the og to come home and have some kind of a reconnection into the romanticized ideas having street credit. there needs to be dialogue ande mentoring. none of us knew that much about prison but we did know about other people coming up and they

promoted the fact that prison is its own amendment. mass incarceration was createdso and 65. so i'm wondering in terms of the education concept program what kind of program what you see and the kind of network that they would need to help them remove e the stigma of incarceration. >> what kind of programs. they have the lyrics of the public into that kind of thing so what kind of program what you see being developed in terms of their journey on the outside.

how would you do it when they are outside? >> guest: delete the >> instead of reinventing thely wheel, they are already up and running. i bring the creative component. it's the major key that helps them to validate they are and helps them validate each other so to me, the writing and the music is a key component in organizations that do that.nc

that is a great way to help kids develop. the larger picture is to reimagine what the society would look like without mass incarceration and what ne new yk would look like without riker's island and how he would address the system. how do we support and take some of the weight of legal aid. you can't get anythingnt. accomplished. so i think that closing rikers

with the others we think of how we can kind of dismantle themon and rebuild unity that supports young people and adults who have been trapped in a system. >> host: which character did you really enjoy writing about? and then there is one young man named charles. you felt like she had promised a.

i was doing some work a couple years later. any educators in here, you know there is that one student that makes you earn your teaching stripes because they give yous . hell. every teacher has ever educated that one that you wake up before you walk out the door you're like i have to deal with this kid.ot he was that kid. what effects do you hope your book will have on other people

that follow the path in terms of prison writing programs and -- >> these are children and humanize black and latino adolescents because we were society see them as adults and their children and science has proven their prefrontal cortex is still developing so they are going to be reckless and obnoxious and loud. they are going to get on your nerves and push boundaries and it's like every other adolescent whether you are white, black, asian, that is a natural develop and. and. like the terrible twos, which is the cause of separation individuation where the child is whying to establish their

independence in having tantrums. the second stage is teenagers so then you hit the terrible teens. we can wrap our mind around thad that this is a state of temporary insanity and natural development they will grow out of that maybe we can humanize them rather than criminalize them. [applause] can you tell us where you came from, how you got here and what you see in the future? >> i've been living in new york for a long time and i just won david rockefeller's grant for my one-woman show. it's being produced and will be premiering in september.

the book was just released last week so i am enjoying this rod rodeo. i was performing in the now i'm an author. i have another book that is rumbling in me. >> what's that going to be about? i don't know -- [laughter] this is probably the last question i will ask you and then we can open up for questions. you know there is work i'm doing we are opening up the campaign to diminish the close of the

13th amendment basically to make sure when you go to prison because that will begin the conversation to look at real reentry because there is no real reentry. like if i got out of prison in california i got $200. in new york you get $40 spent 60 or $70,000 keeping you plus you are doing labor is paid like 15 cents to work in the furniture factory. when you are thinking about a campaign that highlights largest mass incarceration but reentry because the rate is 70% so the 30% a make it out to you but nobody ever really hears about it. i've been out of prison for 30r.

years. so could you talk about in the theater if you were performing on stage how you would frame that because that is all you do so the visiting room. .. t how you might get something like that out with regards to highlighting mass incarceration, reentry, 70 percent recidivism rate, 30 percent that don't go back. >> you know, what really is important for me is again, getting back to the humanity of the people who are behind

the walls because we see the headlines or we see the numbers and we see the statistics so we see the numbers but we don't see the people. we don't connect the numbers to actual human beings. a mother, a father, a son, a sister, uncle, grandfather. we don't connect those two tactics to people so the art is i try and my intention is to humanize those statistics because if you can, these people, if you can read people's hearts through art, then you can begin to change people'sperspective . and you know, there's no one single answer.there's so many layers. jobs, counseling. you have post traumatic stress for soldiers, you have this thing with people coming home from post traumatic present situation or slave syndrome so there needs to be a whole rethinking or reimagining of how we can be

more feeling in our approach to dealing with this diabolical system that is chewing up families and communities and children.>> all right. let's give her a round of applause. [applause] and i guess will open it up to questions.>>. [inaudible] what are some of the elements or skills that maybe you took from that and were able to harness and really helped you in the classroom? >> my theater voice. so like that thing with christopher, i came from my

diet plan but it was like six walls so i was like okay. and that was something i used and also use creative writing and poetry as a way to really get them engaged and with each other, one of the things i love to do is take some of their writing and i would read it anonymously and because i'm a performer, i knew how to make it sound really fly, you know? so then the kids would go whose that, that was dope. they were affirming each other and the kids the next day would go i wrote that so now you have them affirming each other and i'm like okay, this is a thing so i would use my poetry skills, the poetry sounds super fly. >>.

[inaudible] do you know if any of these students have readership and are giving feedback west and mark is there anyway you plan to get the book to them? >> yes, i have a couple people, a couple of the kids coming out and letting them know, their names have all changed in the book but yes, i'm getting that 123 so they're getting out. >> great. >> once a week you try to create writing workshops and what i want to ask you is under the circumstances of where i'm going, what you think is the best art outcome there i suggest. it's in an area, called second chance. it might be embracing,

solitary. yeah. so there's lots of stuff in the day room and lots of stuff going on there and there's a certain amount of turnover. it's like every day is a new day. there's always some thing i got reintroduced myself so i've done teaching in the board, not a lot of years so a lot of artists will have stuff. and i can't even really give them a book to write. i give them individual pieces of looseleaf so there's no, nothing like getting the ball rolling in a big way. people are engaged to express themselves and i feel good. two different ways, one is one young man and two sides

and there were like six of the other but what do you think, when you're in that situation when you're writing about it?>> i was in that situation most recently working in the day room for a program in that environment and what happened in legislation because there's high turnover and a lot of distraction. once you i couldn't get to write i would go home and type up their poems. just typing it up and putting it on a piece of paper, they can look official and reengage. they got the piece of paper and showing the ceos, not just a piece of paper, now they have it typedup. something as small as that makes it official . why don't we try that? >> i had to say i've worked many times and phenomenal, i'm excited. it's phenomenal to my colleagues. talking in the work we talked about our reentry especially

black and brown people, their reentry into private service as white kids, how about reentry ? working the kids that i see, we talk about what they don't let them in the situation. what you think in working with many ofthe kids , what do they say about the environment there arranged in? >> their environment, is fast money, wanting to be cool and i think reentry is a great thing to think about is like, their organizations like what are they called? giantsteps . and they are acts of offenders and gang leaders and bikers, their name is sos

so i'm having them go to the school and talk to the kids who are you know, flirting with gangs or even in gangs and having that interaction, that dialogue before they do something that will land them behind the wall. so yes. >> we have some prominent figures that have some investments big-time, corporate interests. what's the plan of action to fight that says that the divorce in the future? >> their evil. >> is that what this is? [laughter] their people. so instead of focusing on them we have to focus on the community. because if we focus on them, how can we focus on our

community and do what we do in our community and we invest in our community, i'm not suggesting it's going to be a snake but the devil operates like the devil operates, i want to focus on my community, the children, the kids and that's where i'm going to focus my energy in building that because that will be i think, that's white supremacy so if we focus on our community, focus on others, that becomes the inoculation for the disease that is racism and white supremacy. we're doing more and not getting from it. >> fold disclosure, i'm a prosecutor. being here tonight specifically so i want to hear what your experience was

because it's difficult both as a woman of color and as a prosecutor to see children and like you said, you want to humanize the children, that's something i'm mindful of. a lot of my descendents are 15, 16, 17. and my question to you is you talk about this system that we now have in place, what would you say to somebody who's in law enforcement gets that side because it starts, it's one thing to be defense, it's another space for you to have the power to say i'm in the middle of this program, what would you say to somebody to get that dismantling started? >> you know, i don't know what i would say. i just know that there are some things that are placed that are working. like there's this thing called community justice, where it's like a restorative

justice. it's restorative justice so this is where the person who committed the crime, the person who was the victim of the crime, they get together . of course monitored and this is, there's this healing process and so there's ways to gain. i don't have the answer. i don't have the answer but i know that you being here and just you having that consciousness is a way that you're working with the kids or you're in the way but i hard but i had a conversation last week with an assistant district attorney. i was able to get an audience for my kids and i talk to her. she wanted to build a book and get it in the years and

it was insane, you got the numbers up, get good tweets so i get that but i understand why and in that conversation, she was able to , i was able to humanize him because i knew him and had a relationship with him. and she softened a little bit so neil moved a little bit. she said i'm open to a second chance. " no cigar. so i don't know. i don't know what could be said. i just know the conversations need to start and thank you for coming. yeah, thank you. that's huge. >> couple more, this gentleman here. >> there are programs for college education and that kind of thing but in jail i'm guessing there's a lot more turnover in the way that

there's hearings and breast so does that affect the situation in the classroom? somebody could be here today and be gone tomorrow. >> yes, it's definitely being in the jail environment is transient so you get a lot of turnover.so it's hard. it was a challenge. you do your best every day. new kid comes in, you might be there for a day or week or three months. so sometimes we peek but repetition is good for that. i did a lesson, a few weeks later and the kids who had the first time, it's safe since then because they got it again. >> absolutely. >> one. >>

>> god bless you. [applause] >> so they see they are loved. they made into a book, their lives, their stories, you know, rugrats cells.

a question in the back. and then you. i'm sorry. i'm bad at this. >> i want to reaffirm, i see how important speaking about like how important it is that young people are part of the conversation. i'm part of a social justice hip-hop company i my brother just got home from rikers on march 3. wasn't told when he is going to leave. i guess i just want to affirm i am doing a play next week on the stories that we collected from my family. so i wanted i guess to put out there, what do you think about, because i hear you saying you have to find then people who were in relationship to the book.

so what do you feel like you want to tell them about this, how do you think you can transition and say i shared your story and how do you feel? i shared your story and this is what it want to leave you with. if they might not read this book. >> i ran into tae kwon do, about two months ago on fourth street. the book wasn't out yet. it was being published but it wasn't physically out. i told him i said i wrote a book and you're are one of the main characters. he just laughed, you know. so i would just tell them their stories, they have a voice and i wrote the book, they can write a book. i always encourage my kids and to write a book. you have a voice. the whole hip-hop industry is

based on their voice. it doesn't have to be a wrap, it can be a story. i had someone started writing a book, and i write about in the book. >> i recently -- [inaudible] much appreciate your book and learned a lot. thank you much. but my question is, the plan to close rikers island proposes cutting the jail population in half in the next ten years. at also calls for cutting the co population at about half. and increasing the ratio of civilian staff, including programs. i guess i'm wondering if you have thoughts on kind of what the program looks like. i think we had this idea that programs, civilian staff, need to be a more important part of jail culture. i guess give any thought to what that looks like? what is an effective program going to be to engage these

kids? >> i'm so glad you asked that because there's a program that just came out working for the department of corrections as a program counsel. they got rid of solitary confinement for all 16 and 17-year-olds. [inaudible] >> that was for the first year, then the second phase was 18-21, the young adult. when they get rid of solitary confinement they didn't have anything of place. so in comes me and 20 of my coworkers like parachuted in with like ball pens and paper and programs to do something, something different. so i have a lot to say about that. that's probably my second book. [laughing] [applause] >> you won't realize for a while the impact you are having. as someone who did crimes and

was saved because -- a similar scope of what you are doing at rikers, you said someone wrote a book, obviously, boom. later on you realize as a kid what you doing was crazy and you look back and realize people like yourself. one of the big takeaways from the book, do you plant like maintaining, how do you plan to maintain relationships? that could be a lot. the upside, working with the youth. how much to be attached and how to make sure i keep myself intact? it can be so involved. you can lose yourself. i know i got lucky the cause my family was of his like we're going to get you out of this and put you in this. how do you plan on maintaining your self while still trying to maintain others? >> i don't know. it is important, very important.

i had that realization today because this morning i was in court, supreme court advocating for another kid. then had to type up a letter for another kid and i e-mailed it to the lawyer but i wasn't sure the lawyer would bring to court so i made sure i printed out a copy and met his mother to give his mother a copy. and now i'm here. i haven't figured out the balance. i just know that my spirit has to say connected to the kids in some way. it's a spiritual kind of thing, you know, whether it's one or two or five or ten. i don't know how to balance it. i haven't figured that out yet. i would like to be able to create some kind of, you know, let's say my book becomes a tv show, that i would like to see

some work for my kids to be involved in the industry. i like to bring them along with me. say come on with me. don't steal nothing. [laughing] >> to you want to it up there? >> okay. y'all have been great. [applause] >> books are up at the front register.