[applause] >> thank you so much. it's great to be here at politics and prose again. this is the fifth installment of our race in america series. i want to thank politics and prose for the vision. a a lot of playings don't have the vision. this book store has set the tone for book stores round the nation to talk about such a sensitive issue, matters of race, and, yes, we're authors, and we are people who are real and have dealt with this and written about it, and again issue want to thank politics and prose and

c-span to think enough of the series to come out and cover. don't get these kind of people in this kind of room without getting this kind of coverage. so i want to thank you all for being here tonight for our fifth installment i want you to feel free, feel welcome, feel at home, come to the microphone, and a question, intelligent, civil, and we will answer, and i want to -- without further adieu introduce the great, great panel. we're do some bullet points on their career and i want to start off with someone who i have such respect forks,s a mr. racing and love for, dr. mary francesberry. she has been jailed for fighting

generals apartheid? south frick and is awe or of the book "five dollars and a pork chop sandwich. "a new book out" history teaches to us resist." next to our -- dr. mary frances berry, we have avis jones deweever. and next we have wesly lowrey, national report are foe the "washington post" and the author of "they can't kill us all." let's give them a round of applause.

and without further adieu wishes want to introduce to you an economist, the president emer tis of ben bennett, "are we betr off: race, obama and public policy." that's who she is. shes the author, an economist, and tonight, and thank you, julian malveaux for being here. we want to talk about activity. ofism. >> we have to give julianne credit. >> these two ladies right here i remember bag young lady, watching them march for us, talk for us, when we didn't have voices, and this basically let us know that we count, we

matter, in a time when many of us are not at the table. what did shirley chisolm say, if you don't have a seat at the table, bring a folding chair. hello. i want to start with a something that came to me while we were driving in tonight. hari bell font -- belafonte, activist, entertain 'er, said everybody the last election, when president trump became president, he said this is a great time. i said, why? and i hear a chuckle back there. he said this is a great time. he reflected back on what w wi due boys -- but boys told him. when there is great pain, there's raid cal active -- radical activism, which effectuates change. a couple weeks later i called

hari belafonte to do another interview i. i said how is everything going? he is saying i don't see the activism i anticipated. thought see the pain i thought was there, and he is remembering the '50s and '60s. one of the greatest movements, civil movement in this nation. what is happening now? what is hang now? so we have an author here, civil rights icon, who is written a book "history teaches to us resist. "talk to us about history. yesterday to today, is harry belafonte right? >> well, my good friend harry is always right. let me just say that what i talk about in this book is what i think is important for this hour. hadn't planned to write any other books. but it was time for this one. what i talk about in it is all the movements in the past where

people have organized to resist presidents who took actions or were trying to take actions that opposed our values and that we opposed, and most of the movements i talk about i do the history but i was involved in most of them, and in fact, we won in the case of a lot of them so it's possible to win if you organize properly and if you persist. things look at the free south africa movement some of you were involved in. things like the anti-vietnam war movement, which we thought we lost, and i not only was in the movement as a student at the university of michigan, i pretend i was a correspondent and went to vietnam and actually covered the war one summer. but we thought we had lost. we found out later that richard nixon stopped the peace process that was about to go forward.

the point is, theres movements during the time of the presidents since then. sometimes friendly presidents you have to oppose. they've start doing stuff you don't like. look at the indians and obama in south dakota. we all love obama but he had to be pressured to get him to do something about the treaty, and now look what trump has done with it. pressure has to be brought. the point is that there have been movements of people who are willing to not just march, because marching is important, and not just to come to rallies but to put their bodies on the line in civil disobedience and other ways in order to get things to change itch don't think we're at that point now in this movement. i think the marches are great and every time there is a rally or march i say, terrific. keep up the spirit. good to some of the town halls to watch and listen to people. but we need more than we have had, and it's not been as hari

puts it, as radical at one might thought and the issues count. it's not just, hate trump. okay, let's hate trump. what i hate is getting rid of the federal practice compliance, underfunding the civil rights organizations, not having the budget for the agencies in environmental justice and the justice department and all around the government, and what is happening, all of these things that affect people who are poor. what is happening on health care. we can just good down the list. make policies the center of the movement. not just can you get together because we dent like trump. i don't know if i answered your question. >> you answered it. you answered it. julianne, are we better off, race, obama and public policy. we are now post obama, the post obama era. what does that look like to you and what are the issues that

dr. mary frances berry talked about that should be on the tabling. >> first all, april, thank you for bringing us together. don't know anybody i admire more than mary frances berry. i don't. i just adore her. when i saw i was on the panel with her, thought, hey. i'm with you and all that but it's all about mary frances berry. >> thank you for bring us together and the work you have done, not only to continue the series but also to speak truth to power. i would ask you a question but don't answer. rhetorically, why don't sean spicer take his glad rags in a bag and go away. >> you told me not 0 -- not to answer. >> went to see the pope and

wouldn't let him be blessed. >> congratulations. dr. ryan. morgan state conferred honorary doctorate. i'm proud of you for that and appreciate that. you know, feel like bobby womack sometimes. if you think you lonely now, wait until night, girl. [laughter] >> i was an obama critic, and i was like, barack, come back. but no, we are not better off. barack obama was a tremendous president. he was outstanding and amazing and also horribly constrained any number of ways and when you look at the economic status of african-american people it did not substantially improve until the last year of his administration. much of that was recession, which was not his fault, and was set up, quite frankly, with the economic failure our on 207-8 by

shrub. >> shrub? you have a -- a bush and a shrub. >> okay. dad told me to stop being funny and act academic. so i think i will. in any case, we're not better off and we're about to be much worse off. the economic issues are the ones -- i'm with the -- with mary frances berry here. we spend too much time talking about russia. it's important. don't know how much income has been wasted on the president and the first lady don't hold hands and a whole lot of other stuff they don't do that we don't want to know about. what we know is the economy -- this victory for 45 -- i don't call his name. call him 45. but this victory for 45 was a

vic for predatory capital jim. people have to struggle whether we had elected mrs. clinton or that man, but what we have is a different kind of struggle. >> is it trickle down economics? >> it's worse. it's about extracting every penny of surplus value from people. so, april, you have very simple regs that the depth of labor requires people who are advising you on your pensions to follow certain rules. now, that man says, no, that's all right. they don't have to follow certain rules. people get ripped off. the penguins -- most americans don't get pensions anymore anyway so your setting boom up to get ripped off. president obama passed an executive order that said if you had a federal contract you most be paid 10.10 an hour which is higher than the federal minimum age. that man is reconsidering that.

there was 0 overtime piece of legislation talk can about redefining howl you got paid overtime. right now, you get overtime -- if you make more than 24,000 does a year you're considered by being -- you're considered executive employee. so you make 30 grand, you're on executive employee, that means you can't get overtime, unless it's in an overtime job. president obama put together regulation that said -- they were going raise the number so you can get overtime until you earned 44,000, 44-a 45,000. that man, basically is saying, no, we don't want that. the labor secretary says, you know, maybe we should rates it a little bit but not that much. maybe 30,000. so can you imagined ad a administrative assistant being considered executive and not being paid overtime. we can talk but our odious that

man is, as long as we want to and that's fine. he is odious. i mean, used to call the orange orangutan until the told me to stop. i'll do that anymore. but in any case -- >> have to let her go. >> in any case, odious as he is that is not the issue. the issue is the way our economy is structuring, and let -- say one more thing because i know i talk too much. occupational hazard. you have two island capital. you and predator capitalism and compassionate capital jim. cockpity. is the wolf. government this dentist. the question is what does the den test do when you get the wolf in the chair? with comp passionate capital rhythm, the den tis files the teeth down the wolf, not eat everything and you provide

health care, even though insurance companies are still making a lot of money. you do things like provide food stamps even though you ought to raise the minimum wage. you caulk about a minimum wage increase. the dentist when you have predatory capitalism, sharpens the teeth to make life for people at the bottom even more challenging. if you think about that metaphor and look al out the regs being changed -- and note not forget about what is being done with education and the way our hb uc us have been pitch pimped and it i use those, all those poor presidents walking up -- >> very good one. >> kellyanne put her feet on the sofa. she didn't know any betterment when people don't have home training and let them go into the white house, they still don't have home training. >> just talking about the presidents in re-room and she was taking a picture.

thank you for that analogy. i never heard about the dentist and the wolf but brings a whole new enlightenment on going to the dentist. so, avis, let's talk about the woman who is making $30,000 a year. she is low income, correct. >> yep. >> is she out there marching? because we saw a couple of women marching the day after the inauguration, couple of women in lansing, women walking around in detroit and "d" and london. is she move marching. >> yes, we saw an historic day following the inauguration in terms of women's march. the largest demonstration in history. it was impactful and powerful. but it's also true to say that there has been a bit of a struggle to maintain that momentum and n a bold and

demonstrative way. when i look at what is going on -- i can provide other examples in terms of what baltimore has done since he has been in offers. so, we know that in terms of pay inequity, baltimore -- hard harry potter fans in house. >> i'm a white house correspondent. i'm april ryan. have not said any of this names. i respect the office of the president. >> also known as he who should not be named. >> in terms of pay inequity, we have this whole thing about equal pay day. ironically our equal pay day, he changed a regulation that president obama put in place that required government contractors to open the books to really be able to demonstrate and show how they pay people by race and gender, because that's really how pay inequity thrives. i thrives in secrecy. what did he do?

he got rid of that. and so that woman who is making 30,000 and those who are making more, now are going to suffer even more as a result of paying inequity. what is going on? i would say that what is going on is i think -- we can hear about this more. there's been a calibration of strategy, and i think the strategy has really now turned to elected more women to office. we have seen a record number of women who are undergoing candidate training and wore preparing to run for office, and i think that's good. but i don think that's enough. i think you need a yen and a yang and need people who are preparing to infiltrate the system and preparing to good in there and change laws when they are elected to do so but i also think we still need the people in the streets to put the pressure on those currently in office to do the right thing and stop destroying this nation to the degree they're doing right now. >> the simple way that it put is

that protest is an essential ingredient of politics. can't -- people say, vote. vote, vote for somebody. but you have to keep -- it's an essential ingredient which we forget. people when they telling you to vote, everybody wants you to vote for them but you have to make them do what you want them to do. >> dr. king with lbj when it dime the voting rights act. when you saw, activism is a necessity when you think about this democracy, we saw young people take to the streets. the new activism, the new civil rights for this day when it came to issues of the engines when we sauer our black boys and black girls killed on the streets in cities like baltimore, like ferguson, north charleston. baton rouge. so many different places.

what is happening now? because we're not seeing the activism we saw just a few -- it's only been 100 plus days. we're not seeing that today. what's going on? >> of course there are few elements to this. think first is, let's not get twisted. it's not that the police have stopped killing people. not as if these were problem that were solved and we're not seeing it. we are -- my colleagues and i at the "washington post" keep a database in real time of people who are killed by police because the government fails to track that dat accurately. i believe, if i remember crequely, earlier today we recorded our 399th person shot and killed by the police in 2017. on average between kuo and three people are shot by police in america every single day. that is in friendly hootings. no a freddie gray. gunshots. so, i say that -- it's not at if

the factored that mobilized people previously no longer exist. what happens -- from people who e-mail me and call me, what's going on? the felt like there was there is moment that stretched almost two years and even further become when you think about it. young activists mobilized after the death of trayvon martin and jordan davis in 2012, and the death of oscar grant in 2009, with 2012, 2013, george zimmerman is acquitted in the death. michael dunn kills jordan davis and there's a mistrial and then convicted. and there's the death of tamir rice and we saw tens of thousands people in the streets, across the country. had this moment. now a few things have happened. there's activism going on before those moments there were

miami -- people in communities, activists and organizations who had for deck cascades generations been working on issues and we hadn't been paying much attention to their work. unquestion my cheer the attention we are were all collectively paying dissipated and it had started to do that even prior to the election. in 2015 -- last year in 2016, there hadn't been a name that had again viral the first time in the year, not a hash tag or shooting story. work with colleagued preparing a piece about where did "black lives matter" go, why do now one care and as we went how to the fact checking of the story, saw this name alton sterling. and except for this one guy -- and then the next day, orlando steele was killed and then a shooting of dallas officers, and then the reality it's very likely there will be a day, a video, moment this year, where

are eyes will be back on these issues. that said -- i'll shut up. a lot of the activist, and organizations, people -- i don't speak for them but talk to them very often -- as is true across any number of issues in the center left of the political spectrum we're unprepared for the realitying that woke up into the morning after the election. many people in a lot of spaces, especially on the left, were expecting to be pressuring a democratic president into doing more of what they considered to be the right thing. they may not have loved hillary clinton but believe they'd were dealing with someone who at least wanted to be seep at their ally who they could kind of keep pushing. this had been a similar strategy to obama. many of the young activists were being invited into the white house. there was this idea that there was not an an adversarial

relationship. some voted for bernie sanders and didn't like hillary clinton, many thought they would be dealing with someone who is sympathetic to their courses and ideas. in reality they woke into a world with a president and now attorney general who doesn't believe police departments should be

thinking about ways to basically make this thing ungovernable. one thing, it seems to me, that has to happen is that -- i'm speaking to my young folks because i don't care if oncoulter speaks somewhere. we nod freight of that little scarecrow. so, i mean -- but the amount of energy that we are putting into -- with censor them, they can censor us. that's not the approach we want to take itch want young people to be cognizant. debate her. shut her down. should not have had devoid --

dei do, the secretary of education -- at the bethune rad -- bethune graduation. that is unimaginable. how do you make thick u. governable. >> they made their statement. they made their statement. also, when the person who introduced her as well they made the statement with her and made it with the education secretary, and very good point. very good point. and, again, hash tag, race in america, break the twitter, break the twitter. if you have questions come forward. there's so much on the table. there's so much on the table right now. and i'm just -- as a reporter who has been covering the white house for 20 years and you have been in the streets longer than that, but when there is persistence, en masse, things happen i'm not seeing it at the white house now. going back to my conversation

with hari belafonte, he said back in the '50s and '60s people came taught but now there's a different move on the other side that has funding towards anything the other side will do, like heritage, or the nra, talk to me about the resources going into the activism to create change. talk to me about that. >> here's the biggest -- one of the biggest challenge wess we fees about making change in the country on the left. those organizations are largely 501(c)(3)s and largely focused on fundraising and typically is a handful of foundations that are relied upon. there needs to be more direct funding from the people to flow into organizations so they're more nimble, can focus on the things they know are important and don't have to wait through a grant cycle. that's huge.

another part of this process is even beyond the funding, oncely i think people are stuck. people are shell shocked. there's so much happening at one time that people don't know how to focus their energy. so we focus on education, should we focus on something -- it's like every day it's five or six things coming down the spike how do you defend everything all at one time? the biggest way in my mind to make a difference in terms of a movement is to focus on one thing with everything that you have and push and push and push and push until you create change. but when you're pushing against an octopus of destruction we're facing right now so many different things are threatened and so many different ways, how can you really mount a movement that is targeted and structured and powerful in a way that is going to be able to sort of

knock those things down and domino form? that's very difficult. whatever resource wes have at this moment would be spread so then that it would be rick to be impactful. >> when people stay in their lane -- so many organizations that do so many things. health organizations. they should stay in anywhere lane and do the health stuff. we have the lawyers committing others who are looking at voter suppression. >> should people join them? you say stay in their lane. might -- imean people should come and join them. i'm saying -- i love being an octopus. i'm going to steal that. i love the notion of octopus of destruction and also know how many organizations we do have, we have organizations that focus on african-american women, focus on lgbtq issues and by saying that i don't mean to restrict anything but way have so many organizations, everybody is not going to work on one thing. we have educational associations.

i saw a piece today that interested me because -- i'm going to send ha letter to somebody, not sure yet but look at the enadopt of the top universities in our -- endowment of top universities in our nation. they get call island of tax breaks, harvard. if youd a then um with hey one purse of one of those endowment but they're getting tax benefits so the issue us how can the tax benefits be spent? why should the universities which maintain race and class differences, why should these universities guess these in that's an issue for some folk who are interested in educational equity to work on. i think we have to continue our work in the organizations that are -- we have the economic policy institute, the board i served, progressive economic organization. the folks do the work that they're best able to do and everybody don't try to do everything, because it is going

to require a massive, literally a massive resistance that is not going just be, let's all come together, kumbiya. we need the doctors. that is the american medical association and the american nurses association and all these organizations came out against that thing they called -- >> health care. >> i wouldn't even call it that. would call it making america sick again. but in any event all these organizations, who tended not be especially political, decided they were going oppose this, that's massive. if they continue, that's even more important. it seems like -- how do you eat an elephant? in bite-size pieces. >> all right, julianne. all right. julianne i correct, that's one way to do it. there's another way to do it, which we have done, which is pick an issue, and mobilize around that issue, and get people to mobilize, and we found

that if you win on that issue, it helps them -- they'll respond to you on the others because they see you can win. i remember the bork fight, and we beat them on that, and when we beat them on it by mobilizing the grassroots and everybody, and big media, everything, and we were trying to get something called a civil rights restoration act passed. the supreme court handed down four bad decisions on generalter and race and everything else, and we had this law we were trying to get passed to remedy and it we couldn't get it passed. we beat bork. the white house set up and paid notice and people in congress said, if they can mobilize all those people around that, they can mobilize all these pipe around this. maybe we ought to take a second look. one way to do it is think's focusing on one issue and tearing it down, and the other is, as you said, for a people --

whatever lane they're in, to stay in their lane, but two ways to do it. >> the squeaky wheel gets the oil of the hillary supporter. >> thank you to each of you for coming. would you comment on the underlying reason that some of this -- these policies are being fostered in each of these departments, where these structures and the administrative procedures are being decimated? because we can see that it is happening in being reported in at the paper but can you comment on the underlying policy and reason this is occurring. >> it's to free up capitalism. julianne puts it in economic language. sort of economic language and terms. leavened with comedy which is a release. but in fact it is about freeing

up capitalism from regulatory constraints so the more profits can be made. that's the bottom line. whether it's on the environment, and what they're doing the epa, whether it is the rules in the labor department, whether it's getting rid of the office of federal contract compliance, whatever it is, when you see it, the stuff that they're doing with the language of the health care, the overall goal is to deregulate and to make sure that the people who are at the capitalists maximize theirs -- their profits. capitalism requires inequality. you learn that in econ 101. the only question is, who is going to be at the bottom and who is at the top? so getting rid of all this stuff is clearing the land for capitalism to thrive even more than before.

>> well, race -- i mean, racism in the united states is basically inextricably intertwined with capitalism. that's the nature of the base, frankly, racism is the way this country has justified its expansion. it's economic expansion. the way that we basically justified our financial system, is the -- remember, enslaved people were the collateral for bonds which was a basis of a development of our banking system. so, that capitalism requires you to be able to basically pick out folk who can easily be exploited. so at the -- if you think back on history, enslaved people and indentured people there was no difference in the early 17th 17th century, and then they thought, we we can just discriminate guess the black

folks, and those who came as indentured were able to work their way into tree dom after seven years or 14 years and early on, black africans able to do so as well. ...

regulation has been good by and large. we have seen the benefits do we want facility water? we need a food and drug administration and they're not even perfect. they have one who cores you can have eight of a roach in box of cereal. no seriously. [laughter] but maybe it is a 16th of a roach whatever it is -- some from the field. from the field bug. but so you know, but this has been about just basically empowering capitalist they don't want regulation because that force them to be responsible and a to report. if they don't want to report what they're doing and report amount of pollution or they don't want to report this profit. >> now there were some profits. they basically cut ugh the budget of osha occupational safety health administration so people may not be inspected for

15 years so you reduce period of inspections significantly. so it is really about profit and about the capitalist. >> pause for a moment -- i want to take an unscientific poll in this -- how many people right now are discontent or at a dis -- >> put our both hands and our spheet? [laughter] feet. wow. i want you to be honest this has a room full, we accept you. those who are okay -- who's okay? who's happy and okay? >> okay. so this is -- this is my question. everyone talks about numbers, but sigh seen more people disapprove and why the approval numbers. those are minority, the disroof are the majority. >> april this is a friendly audience of progressive people --

basically who have come to hear this because they're interested. >> and who read. >> who not only that, there's a level of discontent and -- my trainer trains -- one a big trump supporter right before he trains me every tuesday. so he's an african-american so he always tells me -- we're on tv so i can't say what i call the man but he one day told me hillary wases pond scum on the earth but a spit stain whatever i say to my trainer how is spit stain today. hey, spit. but in any case he believe this is -- everything is a democratic plot to make, to make 45 look bad. and you know, it can get -- greg is like i want to get the two of youing to the to have a conversation. but 35% at least -- there's a hard core people who believe that number is eroding,

and i've been in the fox hole with mary tehran sis in the past -- hey. one thing i want to say and i can't speak for everyone is since the trump -- i won't call it a victory but since trump was elected, i find myself more and more at places like this and in forum like this and other people like that too bsh because not together. but to resist. mary talked about not just the apartheid movement but i think the glass is way more full. than any one can really assess at this moment. unfortunately, to historical patterns some times they move slow and we're in it right now. but for anyone who was at the

winners march, that was amazingly phenomenal. thrrm there were people there that would never go a march anywhere. >> phenomenon because sean spicer got up there with a little suit and up and down on saturday. >> little suit -- [laughter] my point to come up april, you've touched right on it. i think that we should be less -- less focused about what that percentage of the so-called trumple trump supporters think and feel and continue whatever you were doing like i think it was mary or someone said, whatever you are doing, take that piece of your resistance, own it, and do not let go of it, i think that that is really where we have to be. as opposed to -- the heritage and those folks they're not that strong.

they really are not and they have money. money, money is a game and this u town and around the world. >> money is the game, of course, and i'm not trying to minimize it but power of resis stance is even stronger and given where we are today, people cannot control the internght. they can't control social yeedz and i think we have to look at what we meant. >> pool out will there's a loud voice they're resisting you. >> anyway i'm just saying -- reads this -- we have a long line but wess do you have any -- >> i do think that and at a journalist mind set and angle l but i do think that crisis creates clarity. i think that reality is -- people i think very often because i work with so many of the reporters who are breaking these stories, day in and day out. place like the pulse, like in in

moment and must be so difficult and not to say there are not some real difficult elements. the violence towards many of my clueings and myself included have been realize and sustained and disoriented but that said in this moment it is very clear and very obvious with -- administration that is attempt to conceal that has -- you know, the convention and all ideas of proof and reality, it is very obvious what our job is -- >> we have the kneel of the people and opposition party. >> it is obvious. but that said as well. yods think that while there certainly is a clear -- grassroots energy i don't think you can write off the reality that elections do have consequences that there are real people immigrant and detention center that doesn't care about the women marg. it dunt --

shot killed by the police and nice when everyone was at the monument but they're, in fact, real really life consequences to policy and to politics. and then so the fact that after the fact we all everyone gets together and decides something should change, he can't be used to overlook the reality that in real time, there are real consequences that happen in political conversation. >> stark on contrast something is that happened in a couple of weeks in morgan state university graduation joe bightedden declared black lives matter as you have a -- new administration, 100 some day this is. talking about well, review aring all of the -- sentencing of people. it's to create everything. it's a different day. it is this is not political. this is actual fact. there's a different day here. yes, ma'am. hi thank you so much for being here of you have a room of people who want to be activists.

we are with activists, but you know, there's no systemic coordinated effort you know, we can put a man on the moon. we can do the hollywood shows, we can do all of these things, but why have we never brought together a think tank of the leading experts across america to address education? to address the criminal justice system? to address, you know, community. what can we do? we're all here because we want to do something. >> there's a blueprint. most successful bliewnt after the civil rights movement, blueprint that's it. but you have to link up. you mean you have two, three people right here who women -- civil rights. civil rights economy, this is the beginning for you if that's what you're talking about. >> absolutely. but what i'm saying is, there needs to be a systemic coordinated effort on a national level that we, the everyday

people can then feed into. and we've got the resources. but no one has ever done it . but u you know if you look at women's march for example, and it is not the best example because there were lots of issues but if you look at the women's mar some lady in was she in alaska? threw it out there, hawaii, some lady threw it out there she wasn't an activist. she was somebody who said we've got to do something. so she stood out there, and it just -- it got energy of its own. my challenge with women march is essentially with race issue ors and class issue website and others but i think it was a -- i was there. it was a tremendous moment, and the challenge with these -- marches are necessary but they're not sufficient. marches have to link from how a public policy and that's my challenge with some of the young one and black lives matter although i like fact that they put together policy paper which now begins to talk about policy. but you --

you mean everyone hankers for this big, national movement. and you forget that when doctor king the montgomery boycott at a national movement it was a few people who were so outraged by what had happened that they came together and stayed out, off buses for more than a year, when dr. king started with the civil rights movement you correct me if i'm wrong. ingdz like 4% of black churches that were with him only 4% of black churches. so it grew. sometimes you have to start small and grow financial >> and national bantist convention kicked him out. so they started a new one. but -- if you start a movement and about you can start it yourself you and five or three of your friends or whatever with and you can go to whatever organization that says is in the business of

a policy on any of the issues that you care about, and koord enate a strategy with them and -- go, send out mnldzs over the internet the way we do on social media and you can silt down with your friends every day which is what we did and many of them and strategize on what can we do today -- to draw attention to the issue? and get a couple of people on the hill who have some courage and some sense. to introduce legislation and introduce it to do what you want which giver use a focus for whatever it is you decided to pick from this. and you can spread that movement -- i've seen it happen. you can spread that movement and we used to do it with a machine and posters. so i don't know you can do it with the internght, if you take the time and we all had jobs so we have to work too. we can do that and do this themselves by starting that up

237 and being per sis taint and doing it. people who start news letters or -- all of the e-mail or whatever it is they do. >> i guess my point absolutely -- i guess my point is we saw so many people showing up at the marches -- all of the different marches but women's day march any time a black man was killed by police officers -- tens of thousands showed up. if there was a coordinated effort for those people to then funnel into, we would see a lot more change in our communities because people don't know what to do. they want to do something but they don't want -- they don't know what to do. >> back to money -- >> anybody who would like, i own a cafe here in the city, and we have a dialogue on race every second and fourth monday evening. so -- >> where? >> love and community cafe 14th street half way between u street and columbia heights. second and fourth --

>> thank you so much. >> thank you. are you guys enjoying this conversation tonight? [applause] hi i'm from politics with streaming facebook live, and we've got people who are asking questions -- i will actually the question i will -- [laughter] actually the last question, question i was going to ask was similar to what had we had so i was going to ask a different one here. this is from frank, and he says what to the whole panel what would you give to a white child? >> you know where i'm going first to ava. >> yeah, thank you. i happen to be the mother of two black children. [laughter] now i would say the first thing is to -- don't ignore the issue of race. don't make your child -- don't lie to your children and teach them they're not black but human. we're all human we know that. but they need to --

equip their child with history and knowledge and information that will allow them to navigate a race cyst society in a way many which when something happens to them, and when something inevitably will happen to them, they'll know that it hasn't happened to them because there's something wrong with them. they will know that it happened to them because of something horribly wrong with the society. and that is the best protective mechanism that you can give your children. another thing that i would suggest is -- beverly wrote a great book called why all of the black children sit together in the calf cafeteria that is about racial development it is two decades old. >> at least 20 years olds. i read that when i wases -- many, many -- old. but it is so relevant. i would suggest not only to white children raise aring black children. white parents raising black children but i would suggest it to all parents. because it is very important to

understand that what we struggle with in this country as it relates to race is something that, you know, we like to kid ourselves and say well, kids aren't racist you know what kids grow up in the ways of society, and it is adhere to their parents. see it on magazine, see it in cartoon, in video games, it permeates our society. so it infuses itself into them. and so they -- then do a sign either sort of privilege to some things or complete rejection to other things based on that. and we have to raise our children in that truth so they don't take it personally. i'm going to -- [inaudible conversations] do this real fast and go to west on this. stop about -- [inaudible conversations] hold on -- i wrote a book on that topic, and i'm going to be fast request this. life, reality happened. i have two little girls, 14

9-year-old we're in baltimore. and their school was effected. and i would be remiss questioning president of the united states about matters of race and not talk to my children in my own home. so i had to tell them about what was happening in life. but also i told them there's hope. reality ahead me tell my sugar and spice that everything was not nice. so i had to, reality forced me to tell it and i think we have to tell them with love and hope because when you talk about matter was race are it is sacred spaces you can have all of the laws, legislation in the world but after that what happens? it is a heart had issue. and comes from one of the most sacred places so i think that all parents have a responsibility to influence their children whether it is whoever i don't care what color you are. i do believe we have to do that, and wesley tells me about parents that you had to deal

with -- >> of course. i'm not the parent of any children, black children or white children. but your research -- [laughter] >> and parenting. no, you know, the reality is, you know, parts of the work i've done is about telling stories of the people who are at the ?efer these touch-point in our history sitting in the living room of walter scott's family as they're watching the video of him being killed. you know, they're watching tonight anchored from their front lawn in the living room on the television. right, and again i think that's important we have these kftions and these removed theoretical philosophical ways and reality is, in this perhaps the reality that a parent may not understand about a black child is that race are is not theoretical for black and brown americans. this is not a -- theory to be debated it is not a philosophical clashing but

rather it's an ever present reality. and that it has the potential and probability of impacting almost every interaction or at least casts shadow of question over whether or not it has somehow impacted every question. and i think that that -- i think that that's important and only other thing i'll say on that is that i think it is important to just for all of us to remember what we don't know. and to have a -- be foolish enough to believe that we completely comprehend someone else's experiences, and vice versa, i remember in a class reading charles mills many this idea that ideology of ig norntion and whites and what we know about -- kind of the layering of a o o regulation and a white american or a man -- or o someone -- with a gender, sexuality had experiences in their life so structured an so influenced by

fact that they're part of a privileged group that they're removed from being understand to what it would be like otherwise. and vice versa that black american who has had this ever present weight of race on them for entire tiff their life is never able to xrengd to have never really thought about what your skin color looked like or have that interaction so i think in this moment where we can all -- you ask me a question i don't know i can look it up on my phone and app and smart and this moment where we feel like we can quickly figure it out, sometimes we have to remember there are something website experiences that we don't quite get and we should shut unand listen while other people talk. >> disappointed you look up things on wikipedia most of the time stuff on there is false. [laughter] but anyway, all i wanted to say was please to parent of the white children don't let your child read things that end up telling how hopeless everything is no matter how well, written

it is -- how beautifully written it is if they doangts give you some direction that at the end about things you might try to do and overcome but to say welt, child i've now givenout word -- that's it. sorry. that's not the kind of book you ought to let your child read and you also should never let your child believe that -- racism doesn't, in fact, almost everything. >> that's right because your child will be not armed to go i don't mean they should go arpgd punch everybody or with a chip on their shoulder but at least be prepared whether you're boying house, whether somebody tells you that the the house is worth more than you can pay when they just told somebody else that it was worth less than that that happen to the me recently. other things to saned white person and these are things that

you should arm the child. >> unctioning in knowledge. >> very quickly i'm glad you said read, talking about reading because there's culturally sensitive materials available for parents and the the first thing i would say to this white parent is to mase sure there are books about -- african-americans and other people of color, that there are dolls that reflect that there's history and that you talk about the history. and you are going to have to as a white parent educate yourself. and many white parents that i've dealt with -- in context years ago oppose ability of white parents to adopt black children with social black workers and others because there are some challenges in terms of cultural appropriation. what i would say is as a white person truly wants to adopt a black child they needs to be prepared to do cultural emersion. they needs to be prepared to learn and they need to be prepared to then speak out.

i mean, if you're bushy and white put your child in jack and jill you may not want to do -- but for african-american -- >> even on "jack & jill." >> first of all if you don't know what "jack & jill" is a bushy organization that basically -- it was kids hang the together so kids from black kids hanging out -- >> tennis -- yeah. >> but the organization and you seek out other black kids and in suburbs where you're not around black kids take your child to church to a black church and get to holler and a running up and down it aisles because this can have an opportunity to experience that. doesn't mean you have to do that. [laughter] don't necessarily take them to church -- i wasn't one of hose -- it we have another question -- yes. [laughter] next question. >> you're getting in trouble with this --

[laughter] >> yes. >> okay i have many questions. so i understand what you said and -- [inaudible conversations] speak with what'sing in all but the point what i'm thinking about -- donald do you know him not what you think. another donald. he lived in baltimore -- a nothing i took him as donald no >> my student, donald game from a place told people around him others like to hang around. this is just ack-ack sent hang around. i said multiple research, he said yes. you know what it is today, he's a professor at a very important university, donald went to a family a beautiful house. so many such donalds how do you,

for example but that future this is important thing. not all of the lofty world. how do you do it? >> lots of people are doing it sir, and thank you for the question sir. i think part of it as you did with your donald each one take one. there are organizations in southeast d.c. one as an example as a southeast learning center former first lady barry has had founded where kids are having amazing opportunities. but part of also the challenges at this city has made a decision, i remember when it was founded because i helped with one of the proposals. we went to look at the numbers it was one recreation center for every 2700 kids in southeast d.c. where one recreation center for every 900 kids in war three so with somebody made a decision -- that some area was going to get resources and some area was not goig to get resources so while the individual touches

profoundly important what's also important is for us to make decisions about who gets resources and who gets access that's why the question that i raise earlier about -- it these endowments -- that these endowments these, you know, high -- institutions is important because many more of these young people want to have the opportunity to go to hbu and not prar to the give the kind of financial aid we need to give to our young people but i think we're talking seriously what we're always talking practice. ava -- april everybody here is putting their hands on people or putting our hands on people because we believe in transforms but everyone as we believe in transforms individually we believe that public policy makes the difference too. >> we can advise people, we can advise people sir, your question is a very good one. because while we're working on public policy, and everybody in this room wants to do something to resist and so on we should.

if people were to take who are not doing it, were to take one child to mentor or one child to go help in the community or do something. it would help that that level, doesn't mean it is beginning to change all of the world. but it's an important point. and i think that everyone should try to do that in their own personal life not just for tts person they're helping but for themselves. >> thank you so much. yes, sir time is moving this has been a very informative conversation an trying to get as many people in as i can. >> very honored to be able to hear audra's story tonight and really inspirational for me to see ground work that you have laid and work that you have done as a young person who cares about social justice, i want to say, though, that another thing i see is -- many all black panel or as i'm a white kid who gender fairly affluent, straight, who is never

have to choir about where his next meal is coming from and received to benefits of what they call a u.s. world education. moral values my mother gave me as a kid has been thrown into shock as i've realized that systems that are in place sort of really helped me an my family succeed have been -- what you called a -- octopus of destruction and kind of think of as a hydraof destruction because when you cut off one head ten more just pop u up. so i'm wondering instead of feeling guilty can you give me ways that i can -- ways to privilege and to being a more productive activist that would be -- >> thank you for being here. i watched you back there taking notes. >> that's the first piece, being here, speaking, telling your truth and writing and wanting to learn. now go. >> and i agree with that. also, you know, know that

wherever you want to go, and stand hand had in hand and side by side, other people who are in the streets who are organize oing and mentoring and helping in whatever way they can in their communities, you will be accepted. don't feel like you have to sort of wait on the outside. where you see people are doing the work you'll be welcomed. >> use your privilege to leverage against injustice. interesting very brief story, one of my staff people went to a kinko and went around her to serve young white woman but she said no she was next. she to do there and said she was next. you can't serve me next but stood understand for being order in line and guys in portland not suggesting that you get yourself killed. but i'm saying that they chose to stand up to injustice so you have you and you can do it in

ways often that some other folks can't. when you looked at the -- not the occupied but the -- protest against a world bank a lot of people notice that you detective see students of color in those protests and you know why? somebody was not going to bail them out of jail necessarily. they could not afford to miss semester school necessarily you can. i'm not suggesting that you put your whole self on the line maybe i am. but i'm suggesting that you think about ways that your privilege can become an asset to the movement. [applause] next question. good evening, panel so my question is particularly since this is about race there was an open letter pen to the dnc, black women saying at large listen. so you use us for grassroots organizing and to gather the votes when are you going to recognize us for what we have

contributed not just to the democratic party. but to the country at large. so to you all your thoughts on that. >> i'm going to say something really fast. spoke to a couple of things and i guess julianne can, might agree with it. number one, when you are in a community with money people listen, and unfortunate thing is when you looks at black community they don't see dollars. they don't see an investment to newscast in and zip code that shows that they are are -- able to put their kids and the nicer schools. and i go back to the convention. i think of black mother and movement that's there. they didn't get that. they were on the road the whole time when i'm talking about mother i'm talking about sabrina and car, mother of eric garner still looking for justice for her son who caught 11 times i can't breathe in that choke hold by new york police so we have seen the question is thousand,

how much more are you going to take? >> hello. that's the question what do do now? do you say keep writing letters? what are we talking about here? i'm just saying this as a rooter reporter when people make moves in mass, in number king thely and per sistanly those women who marched through saturday after inauguration, he was so upsetting to them sean spicer came to the podium i'm serious. because numbers were massive not just in this town but it was globally in a rebuke so question is you've got the blueprint. what are you going to do? >> but april you know african-american women 94% or 96 not sure voted democrat in this election. >> yet -- our power -- our strength has gone

unrecognized in the democratic party of the couple of young sisters ran for vice chair were not elected. could be appointed have not been appointed now i know they're trying to figure it all out but democrat the loyalist of the democratic party and we have not been rewarded there thereof. thun of us are prepared or few of us are prepared to sit out in election, and maybe that's what it takes. but few of us are prepared to say i'm not going to vote in this election because i'm tired of being taken advantage of but we can go back when national political congress of black women now national congress women was pounded in 1984 in san francisco, when reverends jackson ran for president, the tension between black and white women were such that that organization was founded. and the even though african-american women have been loyalist, loyalist loyalist that loyalty has been not recognized as i told young brother who came

to the mic with riff ledge and talked about how to do with his privilege white women, white democrats -- have to be able to speak up for black women even as we speak up for ourselves. i saw the letter was right on time. but julianne -- julianne -- maybe they should but they don't most of the time. and, in fact, it's all right for us to say that women should i've been in all of these situations where they won't speak up for black think of some other color now because other people you know black is not in vogue. so that there's a problem. and so i think that you're correct democratic party let's be blungt about it takes black people for granted. they have done it for if a long time, and we doapght have to not vote. it's too painful to talk about we're not going to after people who died this and that and others -- third party candidate and i voted and one of my friends'

names -- [laughter] there's that. one vote and i didn't immediate to vote for her but i think what we need to do so stop, figure out a way to not be taken for granted no matter what we say or what we do, the democratic party leadership and the structure and i know it because i've been in administration that sat around listening to people talk. they know that they're going to get our votes. they assume they're going get our votes and when people take you for granted they're not going to do anything for you and that's a problem. >> i want to say i was one of the people involved with that letter, and that need to be the beginning of a longer strategy. here's the reality. not only have we been the most loyal demographic to the democratic party for decades but number within voters in america for the past several elections. so we vote. so we've also ran some amazing

black women, but those same black women don't get sprouter from additional party structures so we invest in an organization that does not invest in us. and i think that is time to think about -- redirecting dollars, to support us and tell democrat and at the same time continue to put them on blast in numerous ways. because they like to talk a good became. right? but when it comes to what actually happens, it's like crickets look at the contracting that the dnc held look at who they spend their money on look at who they hire to do polls to do consulting. it's not us. but they can't win an election without us. so if nothing else, divest from the democratic party. find several ways to embarrass them at every opportunity, the letter being just one. i mean, there could be protesting from the dnc.

exactly. [laughter] >> i'll come. exactly, there's time. that should be the beginning and it shouldn't end until question see some real change. >> thank you so much. but i'm going to ask you this, and i'm going to say this too. before a couple of months before the election, the rmc ftion try to get the black vote, they had wess you remember this they have black journalist coming into the -- rnc talking about oh, you know, crump is speaking this now. but he's going to have to use our -- our data so he can win, guess what? so hold one party accountable. that's true i'm not suggesting what you hold one party account public. voted for that's why. >> but i understand but money to. >> ingdz, i understand but i think if you're in democracy all sides need to -- >> permanent friends, equity. thank you so much. i'm white democratic woman and i

have spoke up for -- miernghts and will again and i'm sure there are more of us. but our unified movement i read recently that some of bernie sanders supporters have fund an organization called our revolution, and to work for economic and political change so people might want to check into that and i'm sure it's not even though it might come are from largely democratic roots, i don't, i don't think it's strictly aligned with democratic party. so i want to recommend optimistic note we finally have hall richmond, california fourth largest city in california, which has minority population majority, minority population through community action, labor group, et cetera made substantial changes in their

city. so -- steve early town in addition to books all of you are -- >> for sale -- yes. thank you for that so much. yes, ma'am, you are the last question. yes, ma'am. >> you mentioned the word, predatory capitalism and it's intrigued me. and my question is -- if you peel away the onion, what are the root -- what are root cause or root causes of predatory capitalism my opinion -- i could be wrong i want to know if i'm wrong -- or if perhaps i'm on the right track is -- number one, predatory capitalism is driven by the fact that we have don't have campaign finance reform. citizens united has expanded and given life to predatory

capitalism. so we can put regulations in place but really the root cause is the amount of money if we look at other first world countries, and compare those countries to how we operate as a so-called democracy, we have unfettered access to money in our so-called democracy. i believe the root cause and also the fact that the right have coopted narrative and have equated democracy with capitalism. and so our constituency, our citizenship has we no longer understand civic, our civic adult and we actually believe that had democracy equals predatory capitalism. so i would like to hear your take on that. >> well thanks, thanks for the question. we have become more predatory even prior to citizens united if you look at the cycle of recession and recovery. one of the things that you'll find is that let's say 1973

recovery. about -- and by number manies are rough because i don't have them in front of me but u roughly 60% of the -- benefit of the economic recovery wngt to the bottom 90%. while the other 40% went to top 10%. now when most recent so-called recovery -- which theoretically began in 2009, ha-ha. but in that particular recovery, the bottom 90 lost 10% and top 10% gained 115%. so question basically from the 70s on have seen basically again, citizens united a factor. but not the factor. we have basically seen a narrative that's been driven by the ability to wedges between people. so you have these working class white people as if there are no working class black people but white people who believe that

all of these black people have all of this stuff. that the government is provided now, understand that well pair or food stamps were black programs these programs would not exist. but you have -- they just wouldn't be. only people who got these programs. but you have these white folks who -- believe the that narrative theye everything. we have nothing our tax money is going for them and they won't even work and half of them came across border with anchor baby, and, i mean, this is narrative but this is believed. so we people have been able to use race -- and et thinksty ethnicity as a wedge to maintain basically be deregulatory focus that money and other money essentially -- support. >> but you have point but i think deeper than that and you have to put the race piece in there poop >> thank you. diewpght to add something? >> no, and yes we have --

our dear friend we're going to have ones last, really fast. >> thank you so much april, and also congratulations on your upcoming award of national journalist of the year so shall have us do read. you know, needless to say we can't say enough about mary francis barry and other panelist as well. but this is a very powerful panel and i've been to all of your series, and it needs to go on the road. but i would also say with the -- national congress -- [laughter] not just from the perspective of politics and pros, and i was a member of national congress of black women black activist women and with my mentor steve dolores tucker how we miss her but we live in a celebrity culture there's no celebrity in the panel signature here, and it seems to me it was about video with music with other people

that you would bring along, and with the harry who has been here by the way, you know, with -- >> i adore him. but you have to -- reeducate the young people. this is who they are. this is who was in the struggle. i can still visualize and other people being trained in the movement and how to deal with knots upside your heads and protect women an training them how to hold their bodies so that they cannot be injured. in the midst area, there was a time when a panel like this, there would have been a list for people to sign up. and for somebody to be able to take it and to do something with it. and self of us advocating for more. and just as i challenge you to get 45 to the national museum of

national african-american history and he did go that week. >> for five dinners. i think it was like two hours but two hours -- but we challenged -- >> a whole day -- need a lot in that. >> absolutely. no it is not enough -- [laughter] thank you here a lot of people here saying -- >> that wasn't me. >> more is needed so where do you go from here to do more? >> you know, i think that activist spirit this mind you've got this had. you've got it right here. >> the more i think -- the cafe -- her cafe i saw some people go over there. that's why -- >> celebrities, you are the people. >> but here you've got mary francis at the cafe but as this, as someone i'm taking any journalistic hat off. i'm a black woman in america. >> no kidding -- [laughter] >> no kidding i'm a black woman in america. one up in baltimore, and i

understand the polite of baltimore but i also understand all economic levels and i think the best way for me as a journalist as subjective journalist understanding who i am -- and having the relationships with these amazing people, to bring them to you. these are my friends. and i bring them to you because they have something important to say. >> yes, they do. i think once you hear from them -- we take it out into your community and talk have tea with your friends. you know, or have a girls group together have a book club with each one of the books, and you spread it out. those are just few things that you can do this is not just a moment but we've done politic and pro so forward thinking. this is fifth and i'm sure we're going to do more. you make a difference. you make a difference believe me. when i say it starts with you i've seen it from the crazy

lofty perch which i work every day. you make more of a difference than you know. so -- being here discussing the knowledge and understanding the each one has it is to part you to go into the community and do with it which you must so i think for me as a journal you've done your job. >> follow barry anywhere, and that for every women who would do it like wise amen so i'm just saying. just saying -- just saying. [laughter] i know we're winding down i want to lift up the name of second lieutenant richard kolins the third by the university of the yanked student. reason i lift him up is because i think it is important to note that we have had very little national conversation about

this. speaker ryan talked about what happened in manchester i'm surgery not equating the two. but on facebook she went on social media julianne went talking about this case. >> listen -- this -- this first of all, the fbi is investigating a hate crime. investigating -- when you look at where this boy has come from and all right things that he's on and fact that he and his friends are tweeting saying things about if you -- what if you mess with a crab you got a stab. really -- it is really frightening. but it's amazing that that man we know now can read a teleprompter could not on memorial day -- say anything about this young man who agreed to get basically to he had a commission in the army. paul ryan called for a moment of silence on the floor of the -- congress for manchester, good. but let's call for a moment of

silence for this victim of domestic terrorism and let's deal when we talk about terrorism -- let's talk about this. [applause] >> i mean, i cried -- i would not cry that often when i walked by albert teal casket and he's done everything right, and he -- squeaky clean but i pray for them every day but this is what black mothers and fathers go through when their children leave the house. this is why young people are being caught -- to be humble you know this is why any momma says i'm glad you're not male with my temper you would have been gone. i would have been gone a long time ago. but in any case it is a rightening situation and we have conscience have to continue to

lift this young man up. as you said when wroa call the role of the folks who have been killed his name belongs in that role. and then other question we have to ask is who raised him? how did they raise him and what did they talk about at the dinner table. how did this person 20, you know, all of the races i don't mind. i mind them but if you're 80 and racist you're about to be up out of here that i. but you know, when you're 20 you're a race arist it is very troubling to me because -- where did you get that from? you'll be around for a while. >> that's learned. have you enjoyed this evening? [applause] even as you leave or buying our book i want you to hashtag race in america and have concluding statement and activist friend mary francis barry. >> hallelujah.

[applause] well, i guess only thing i would say is, obviously, race schism not over so you can have plenty of these programs -- and that what we do about it is not something that is clearer now than it was before. but when we think about the young man julianne was talking about i can think of all of the black soldiers who were in the military who came home from the war and were killed in their hometown when is they got off the train. just because they had on a uniform. and that it happen haded in world war i it happened in world war ii. and added something that we confront and face every day, and racism and talking about it is in this room but may not be many vogue anywhere else and certainly not in the white house but it is something that will keep us busy working and that's what we should do. >> davis jones we agree, and i have to say that i think one

thing what we need to be -- real about at this moment is that there is a rise in hate groups and hate violence. hate-based violence throughout this nation. and that is -- particularly disturbing is as you mentioned there's this reluctance of call it what it is, terrorism and to really prosecute it at the level that it should be prosecuted. i'm mother of two sons and you know, i hope i'm doing the right thing but you know, obviously, we all have the talk. but also teach my makes my friends have marshal arts training because imght them to be able to help themselves. >> thank you for joining us a knew bee on the panel. >> sitting here trying to listen and a not talk that much. but one thing i would say is many closing is important we talked multiple times about important knowledge and of reading, and so this would be my plug is one of the media members up here. at a moment like this our press and media is very important. i think -- many of us overtime have gotten

out of the habit of paying -- for our journalism as well as to giving that engaged feedback to our journalism i think in molts like this whether it is so much attention, but often what's happening at the white house. that can come at the expense of attention happening what is happen hadding in state house and city hall and our neighbor. reality is that way our government or lack of government or change many it affects most human beings and you know short of us being attacked nuclearly comes with change in the policy. comes with the shift or the closing of the civil rights offings and department of labor, and you know, these types that type of journalism is difficult, it is not always a sexy. it is not being we're going to get there smoking to bring trump down but you see this thing that was benefiting people, and so as, you know, i was asked or i had the opportunity to talk to readers is that you would be engidged in that journalism and apply the pressure. cheer us on as we report are on things happening in or politic

but hold to fire as well and insist that we cover important things happening in main street and mlk drive as well as what's happening on pennsylvania avenue. >> thank you. julianne -- i would say once again thank you everybody uplifting for me. i'm a cynic by nature. and this room gives me hope. it gives me hope to see the number of white people who are in the room. who voluntarily came into the room to talk about race, which a lot of white folks don't want to talk about that some of you will start running from the store -- but as you know, a lot of white folks will not voluntarily talk about race so this givers me hope that folks are willing to give up a couple of l hours of their evening to do that. it gives me hope to see a little boy over there -- that somebody brought a young man in how are you doing i'm glad you're here, and we need to think about who we bring into the room with us, and that young

people can can hear this. can process this, can participate many many it. oftentimes we want to shield young folks from these kind of conversations, but fifth graders tell their classmates they're beginning to get them deported unless they didn't have the right kind of conversations at home. so i leave this and -- some of y'all might be on my facebook page so they think i'm angry black woman. i am. [laughter] you're my neighbor i live off 1th street in gender i central, so i have attitude but i'm angry black woman that hopes for a better world and turn pain into power by working with others to make sure that we do have a better world and so i wish we could see rooms like this replicated in lots of places. thank you all for coming out. >> i'm going to say this concern you've had a great, great audience and this is very

important to continue these conversations because listening tonight, just 100 and 30-some days in -- is it, oh. i didn't say, she said it. but this so manies to be a great disease and discontentment from a majority of people. and what i would say talk amongst yourselves. figure this out. you can figure it out. you have to figure this out. it's about you. we can talk about what we know but it's all about you. it's all about you. and what i would encourage nou to do -- get together with each other. this is julianne said this is one of the most diverse crowds talking about race on a continual basis some of the faces i've seen before here. and we encourage you to keep coming and bring someone else. this is an important conversation race touches almost every facet of herk.

america. this president -- is totally different from the last when i say that when it comes to race we have seen rubber band expand throughout history. and some would say now there's been recoiling in in the rubber band has even broken so i encourage you to -- stay tuned. because i believe we're going to have another series another series. but i want the you to take what you've learned from each one of the panelists and move on and figure out how you are going to effect change in your community it all started from a conversation that i had with harry so now what are you going to do with this an what are you going to do with what you learned want to? what are you going to do? not about us, it's about you, and tonight i want to thank -- mary francis barry author of five dollars and a pork chop sandwich and the corruption of democracy. give her a big round of applause.

[applause] dr. eva jones how exceptional black women lead, give her a big round of applause. [applause] wesley lowery author of they can't kill us all ferguson baltimore and a new era of americans racial justice movement. [applause] and last and not least, dr. julianne, the author of are are we better off race obama and policy policy, and with that, i thank you all for this segment of our race conversation with college and our books are up for sale. we are signing books so buy them, full of knowledge thank you c. span you're awesome. thank you politics and pros you are the best bookstore ever. thank you guys. have a great evening.

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