>> have a new book forthcoming that's called sisters first. why does the title quest

>> we are sisters first but we have been so lucky in our lives which meant we always have a partner in everything we are doing so whether it was growing up in texas because they'r thers someone with us to make it more magical we had someone that was also going through the same experiences that understood what life was like but we started off together. >> your sister used the word ordinary. was your life ordinary? >> guest: >> people will come up to us and say you are so normal on tv and it's kind of a strange thing to

hear because we want to think of ourselves as exceptional as we are normal and we write a little bit about what made us who we are. my grandfather was a homebuild homebuilder. they were just as much a part of our lives and in fact favor of this cornerstone so i think we have a sort of juxtaposition i don't think people realize and i don't think we have been through thin on the outside but tn there's also personal joys and

struggles that we will share in the book that will surprise people. >> in your upcoming book right up until this day that we walk into a room or a restaurant or almost any public space be here it's the bush twins. when did you understand you lost the public narrative? >> i think that when he was running for president and i'm told i'm we were living in texas and went to a big public high school bears cheerleaders and jobs and that whole thing and then when we were 18 and our dad started running for president all of a sudden i think we

became more aware that other people have narratives of us that need or may not be true. there was a time bu that for us there wasn't a lot of social media we couldn't own our narrative because we didn't want to in many ways. we wanted to be college kids and experience the world and focus on not how people perceive us. but also what is interesting is anybody can relate with the fact that when you are part of a group somehow you get kind of characterized so many times people say you're the loud one but allyf people knew us,

she commutes into those that know her see it but then you wonder do you call other under stereotypes or play into that more because that is what people think of you and it's been fun to explore that and we see our grandfather and father stereotype. it's the way that we kind of simplified public figures. >> one of the things you did it

on purpose so you wouldn't be together is that true? we are very different and i think think that ms. barber a mistake and one or two problems on her sats and i missed several more. we were always really celebrated for who we were. i love to write and perform and my parents applauded about and never made me feel like i was plus or. i was curious to go to other places and meet new people.

the beauty is we got double the friends because i could come friendconference with all of her friends at the university of texas and it was a real kind of blessing and it. >> there were all these stereotypes in the college years. that, my friend, is not true. but as a first grader i did take my own kidnapping. twinkle was my secret service code name. i don't know if we had code names when my grandpa was president we only had secret service for a short period.

we should investigate that. it was based on our eyes. they said i had a twinkle in my eye, i think that had to do with mistress and barbara has these beautiful turquoise eyes. it was what you see and read. >> my mom is unbelievably calm. she can shut us down with one lock. she is the so-called but wasn't happy to be honest.

so you said that they were inaccurate because there was a story about you and cars. it's not that good of a story. by the way, this is how the world was back then. i don't even know the story. i was with friends from yale. i was in a car that had the toll

pass, so we went through and secret service -- >> [inaudible] >> you have to include this. we lost them. but then someone wrote about it and it became this whole thing. i think it was in the national enquirer. >> maybe i should read "the new york times" a little bit more. i'm tired of being only -. my dad's dad and these unbelievable stories of him and things he said to me.

that's easy to write because it meant so much to me. i would say our parents said we cried. that was sort of naïve on all of our parts to have a college experience. so when we got in trouble, everybody thinks based on tv and stereotypes my parents were furious and i'm sure they were disappointed but more than that

they were saturday promised a normalcy that was not depend upon. i'm so happy that i had parents that allow us to make mistakes. imagine if we were perfect life would be boring. it would be too much pressure. but now as a mother with two little girls to make mistakes and also to learn about empathy and carrying the world to bring life to it. it would be one particular thi

thing. >> speaking of mothers you write with laura bush was the families closet hippy. >> she was. little known fact. growing up we always had music playing. a number of other memories i was just thinking about when i was nine. everyone was getting new kids on the block.

she wouldn't say this because she was so demure and wasn't controlling but wanted us to have good music taste. i'm working for the today show and it's really fun. i literally ran for days. mom, they told me not to go, she literally said that.

i literally sprinted in the opposite direction on the steps of the white house we spent all these years trying to hide from the media and now i work for them which is ironic but awesome because it shows life is unexpected and if you are still rigid about what you want your life to be then you can never experience the beauty of growing and changing. and i think it also shows you can't judge people. i had these stereotypes of people i worked with. savanna guthrie is one of my best friends and is here today with a children's book, princesses wear pants. she's one of my next-door neighbors and best friend. i thought of her as someone different than she is and i think that is what we are trying

to talk about ourselves that people are more complicated than we think. >> this isn't the first book that you co-authored. >> that is true. i've also written two children's books with my mom who is a very vivacious editor and a little more complicated to work with. don't tell her i said that. >> why did you hide from the media? >> i don't know that i have hidden from the media. you mean when we were younger. i am a very private person. even writing this book was a leap for me. but i'm proud because she was honest and overall and there were things i learned about her even today we rode in the site

was. we were in college and we were young. so the idea of additional attention. it's ironic that she's on tv now but when we were younger, college was about going to school and to see our friends and starting our career and so much of this personal and private so i would say [inaudible] >> and we will be on tour together. >> the book is out in october. and what are you doing today? >> i run an organization that focuses on amazing young leaders that are currently solving of

care issues throughout life so it is a helpful way to wake up every day knowing that there's almost a thousand amazing young people who are passionate about serving others and making sure they can live a healthy life. she is doing awesome work. final question. is there a sorority or fraternity among white house kids and do you ever talk to the johnson girls or women i should say? >> yes, we have and definitely with chelsea and sasha we are unbelievably protective of them and people thought it was odd how protective he worded it isn't. we saw ourselves in them. then when they left the white house and they were the same age we were when our data became president, being a teenager with your data president isn't easy

but it's also incredibly rewarding and we have had -- we have been penpals and we send open letters to them we have heard back in a private way and i am just proud to be part of this group especially the women and men also but it seems most have been women and i think that we are part of this group that had each other's backs and that is the whole point of this book we are part of a group that's like that. district first if you are part of the clan we will not leave man outfit it can mean more. >> in your experience what do you think is going through trump's mind right now? >> i hope what is going through his mind, he's an elementary school, so that is school and friends and playing sports and

doing whatever he's interested in. he's in elementary school when they don't have a say it makes them mad. >> here is the cover of the book, sisters first, stories from our wild and wonderful life. >> it is stories from our wild and wonderful life it is an allover pullum we find about the

inhabitants in native new yorkers. >> it is harder to understand any american history without understanding the native part of it because i believe that the influence affects every aspect of our lives and why america is different than any other country because of the need of people. the native people have been living in this area from about nine to 11,000 years to serve and early people were hunting and gathering people and then you have the various different stages so then there was the red oak people about a thousand bc