>> i set up at the beginning of the book our biological wiring and i wanted to show we had evolved a culture that was designed to validate us and not to challenge us or contradict us. it gave the illusion that our realities were watertight when they were riddled with weak spots and places that would crunch in. >> and you are watching the tv on c-span2, television for serious readers we are in new york city at the publisher's annual trade show and what we like to do during the summer is preview some of the books that are coming out.

next up we want to introduce you to go week when the author of this book crash override how it nearly destroyed my life and how we can win the fight against online hate. what do you do for a living? >> ultimately by game job is to help those that are targeted. >> we will get to that but let's go to the gaming part of that. what exactly do you do? >> a lot of stuff. i'm a programmer, writer, artist and music composer because no one needs to hear my music again but it's a little bit of everything and i try to make it for people. >> what is one of the games

you've developed that may be an audience would be familiar with? >> probably best known for an interaction game about living with depression. >> describe what happens in this game. >> i try to make my design as accessible as possible to as many so it runs on the website and the controls are simple you were given a situation like an everyday thing like your partner calls and asks you to go to a party and it presents the player with choices and the normal healthy option is go have fun with your friend that you are given a buncweregiven a bunch os that try to show through getting the player to actually do, what it's like living with depression it's not a bad mood you can just snap out of so it's about removing the player agency.

>> how did you get into this? >> independent game developers the community is really active and welcoming. a lot of us are either self-taught or watch videos to do our own thing so it is a community to make research available to other people. >> how big is this world of games? >> pretty big. it encompasses everything. this people making art installation games and experiences that take place.

[inaudible] posted an extremely long post that caused as much harm as possible making me the perfect target. it was on the internet at large and made it the post go viral. >> it worked quite well. they found out where i live and one person was hiring api and do research on me.

it cost on the outside of gami gaming. i was the target because i refused to back down and called it what it was and didn't just hide. >> what does this have to do with politics? [inaudible] if linked the voters with me and the address. it's for all of the anxieties in

the fact they are making games themselves and it's announced to please stop sending me death threats online. so there is so much that lined up perfectly. >> when you first found this online, where were you and how did you find it? >> it found me. i was with my new boyfriend. i was going to stay with him, we were celebrating my birthday and my phone kept buzzing and it's

like counting time between thunder in a storm, the time got shorter and shorter filling up with sexually charged threats and i had to work backwards from that. all i knew is it said i don't know if you noticed but somebody just registered and posted a far out threa threats about you andt deleted immediately. he shopped around until he found a place that didn't care and ran with it. and i just watched for the rest of the night because i have already gottehadalready gotten n shopping everything. i have a recorded history of everything.

it's a very weird sort of excavation effort in this book. >> so the book crash override, where did the title come from? >> what is more important is what we did about it. we used to for a while call it pre- hacking because of it was more than a few minutes we would come back to something. we have battery chargers and hotspots so no matter where we where we could see and another independent game developer sort of went into action and he's like you remind me of that movie so it was one of the handles of that and also because the

meaning of overriding and this thing crashing down around you. i didn't want it to just be about the terrible thing that happened. what did i do about it, what can we do about it and that's really the book i wanted to write. >> when did you get involved in the gaming world? >> i was pretty isolated as a gamer but i didn't have a nintendo or playstation growing up. my dad had gotten what immediately died because it wasn't the best, there was a big push using video. you can't get better graphics than real people accept the

acting is terrible and being kind of a weird kid about it. i had a garbage computer i put together with spare parts. there was a garage sale and nobody was making games for it. that's when i started playing some games competitively and i knew i could make a game myself. it seemed like a magical thing that happened.

>> were you one of the few women at that point? >> they don't get as much visibility and support. the numbers are smaller for sure but it's definitely underestimated how many of us there are. from the book crash override me to interrogate the traditional wisdom that mostly white, mostly male, mostly western decision makers touted as answers to online harassment and we need a truly diverse range of thing cursed to be actively welcoming to the conversation. what is the background on that? >> that statement came from the

silicon valley companies that established channels where someone comes to us and we are having a crisis immediately and go to the partners to say we know the terms of service and we know it is something that you don't want on your platform so can you take action on this immediately. the reporting systems are dealing with a significant volume of things. the problem i would run into is everybody that i was talking to into leadership positions were white men who, were white women who fought involving the police was the best possible situation which doesn't make sense if url are already in marginalized person that gets your home

address an in a bomb threat of t happening if your house hoping they will go to your house saying that institution has numerous issues with violence towards marginalized people being the solution to a problem and waiting for the law to catch up on two we just need better laws were arrests. every time i would be in these rooms usually with other people who, you know, were brought in to have that viewpoint alongside of hours had the same conversations over and over having to call them like though, this is not relevant to my experience and did you ever think about this policy in the sort of violence that is

threatening or harassing them and a lot of companies were not even thinking about that being a form of harassment. it just looked like a name to them so how can that be harassment, it isn't a threat. so more research was needed and very insular. there's not a lot of diversity there i so having everybody sort of make these decisions and not have these perspectives is frustrating and i can't even give all of them because i have my own limitations on stuff like that. >> here is the book called crash override how it nearly destroyed my life and we can win the fight against online hate it publishes in september.