it and take it across the street to the factory and tried it out and then you went back to the research center. that still exist to some extent in a few places, but it's more, it's a dying idea. >> i want to thank lou and jeff and i want to say this conversation hasn't ended. we can get more informally and most and poorly we have books there if you like a copy, and thanks to you all for coming out. [applause] >> thank you, lou. [inaudible conversations] >> booktv is on twitter and

facebook and we want to hear from you. tweeters, twitter.com/booktv or post a comment on our facebook page facebook.com/booktv. >> "be fierce: stop harassmente name of the book. gretchen carlson is the author. what are you trying to say with this cover? >> guest: to be fierce. to encourage all women who feel like they been put down are subjugated anyway to speak up and have a voice. and it's not about harassment in the workplace. it's about any avenue in which women feel like they haven't been heard. look, for some girls are bullied in school, they move on to college and have a huge problem with campus and date rape and a we move into the workplace and many of us are confused and surprised to find out we're not

necessary always treated equally there with regard to pay inequity and other areas. unfortunately many of us will also be harassed. it's really about empowering women in all aspects of their life and sharing my life lessons and what happened to me along the way, but also what we all need to do to join this movement together, be fierce and to take back our power. >> host: it was pretty well-publicized that you left box. can you tell us why? >> guest: i can talk specifically about my case because i reached a settlement and that's the nature of settlements, but what really inspired me to write this book was that i heard from thousands of women across this country immediately after that happened. when i jumped off the cliff by myself last july i had no way of knowing if there's going to be any kind of a safety net at all. and what really inspired that

were hidden from all these women. they were sharing their own personal stories of sexual harassment. many of these women had never told anyone else but if the lie they could trust me. they knew that i would get it. i start printing out all the stories in my home office and it was thousands of them, and i said to myself i need to do something with this. that was what this was. it was giving a voice to the voiceless. what's been amazing this process is so many women felt victorious for me. they never had their stories heard in so many cases. they feel that the public plunge that i took was a victory for them as well. >> host: i think i read in this preview, 70% of women have experienced some type of harassment? >> guest: that would be a low figure. when i go and speak in front of thousands i asked them to raise their hands and, unfortunately,

in 2017 almost every single woman still has a story. it's unbelievable to me. we think with, so far and it's not just -- i have two children 14 and 12. i really want to change this for them and i know so many parents across the country don't want to fathom the idea of their daughter going to work and having to say something like this. this is really about coming together in deciding how we're going to fix this problem the book explores so many different angles about how we going to do that from talking about how we need men to help us, from talking about parents, let's take a pledge together to raise our kids with gender neutrality and about both boys and girls. there's a whole chapter on a playbook of helping women navigate the waters they do find themselves in a situation like this at work. so there's a ton of information in this book about picking people up and say enough is enough to wear going to do something about it.

>> host: you also report that until the 1970s the term sexual harassment a century didn't exist. >> guest: look at where we've come in society were we made such great strides with regard to civil rights and the equality of women that we sell of work to do. when you look at it from that perspective and you said okay,, the '70s and now we're only in 2017, we have made a lot of progress, but what i found out is we still have so much more to do. one of the biggest issues is the myth swirled us around this issue of sexual harassment. what we need to really get past is when women finally get bored and say something, why are they still penalized? what i found out is the majority of women who find that strength to do something about it, in many cases ended getting fired. the perpetrators stay in the

workplace and those women never go back to their chosen field or profession. and that's wrong. we need to get rid of the myth about that if you speak of your a troublemaker, or that you're trying to cause problems and you just don't get along or you can't take a joke. we need to celebrate the women who finally have strength to come forward and try to eradicate this myth. it's still out there. unfortunately it's hard to believe but it's still out there. >> host: you also report that women almost feel guilty if they are harassed. >> guest: yeah, because i think in some ways women are still raised to feel like they are to blame for things that happen in the lives can even things that are out of their control. so much of this book is how you should not feel guilty anymore.

a lot of us are raised to be pleasers and race to be perfectionists, and while that has been handy for me in my life as far as a compassing a lot of goals i set my mind to come the perfection is in sight like to call myself a recovered perfectionists and i'm trying to teach my kids, especially my daughter to not be a perfectionist because really you're just setting yourself up for failure. we all make mistakes and we learn more from our failures that are successes. but a special on the keys inside that inhibits some women from having a voice from being able to come for because i don't want to make any waves. that fits into the parenting chapter how we can try to raise our kids to not be that way. >> host: what constitutes legally sexual-harassment? >> guest: it's really complicated. i'm the first vendors and not a worse i don't want to give any legal advice but it's really

unwanted suggestions or advancements. there's actually two kinds of sexual harassment, a hostile work environment, or quid pro quo which basically means that you are asked to fulfill some sort of sexual obligation to keep your job or get a promotion. i explain all of this in the book and we consulted many legal experts who specialize in this .47 so that people will be able to get all the knowledge that they need in reading the book. but it really comes down to also being subjective and whether not a woman, or a man, feels as if they're in a private that doesn't feel comfortable for them in the workplace. >> host: did you hesitate before you jump off the cliff? >> guest: yeah. i can't really talk extensively about any of my feelings other than to say that the most important thing for me is my

children and making sure that they are okay in all of this. >> host: when the final copy of this book comes out in october, will it include some of the women that you heard from? >> guest: yes. extensively it will include, commenters the interesting thing, sexual-harassment is pervasive in all different walks of life. i introduced factory workers, wall street bankers, politicians currently serving who are being sexually harassed. i interviewed accounts. i interviewed doctors. it runs the gamut, teachers. when i started hearing from these women come it wasn't just like it was in a couple of professions. it's everywhere. i think that's why so many women have felt courageous in hearing my story, because mine was so public and maybe there's never was. but again they felt that power

in my voice. they felt a victory that they might not ever had, people stop you on the street to tell you their story treachery they do. in my unscientific study in new york city come actually more men stop me than women, and i take great pride in that. >> host: what with the men talk about? >> guest: they often want to shake my head and say thank you for doing this for my daughters, for my granddaughters, for my niece. i think if men have children and specifically daughters, they are very grateful. because this goes back to what we're talking about earlier, who wants their child to eventually go through something like this? nobody wants that and that's why we all need to be invested in this issue. >> host: you open this preacher and this is just a preview of the book coming out in october, go back to minnesota

and shut the hell up. krejci needs to let it go. she brought it on herself. go up, move on, stop whining. gretchen, your show sucks. you're a dumb nobody has been hope no one ever has you skank, et cetera, et cetera try to my twitter feed and my facebook posts. yeah, it comes with the territory. >> host: is a hard not to take this seriously? >> guest: everyone is human, right, but luckily for me i develop thick skin a long time ago because, also in my past resume of life i was miss america, and having gone through that experience it was almost if my resume of being valedictorian and graduated from stanford and going to oxford, it's almost like all that is exacerbated. also i was a classic violence.

i had to learn early on people attack you and don't like you for no apparent reason. i remember going to my father and saying, dad, especially coming from minnesota, why do people not like me just because? he gave me advice that i think about every single day and it's been very helpful in the last year, which is you try to accumulate as many people as possible and you keep trying with those people but in the end, if they don't decide to come to your side, you have to let it go. that advice has been paramount to my life in the last year. i don't expect to please everyone with what i did or with this book, but i do know that i'm going to empower thousands of others who want to learn more about this issue and want to

have their voices heard. >> host: you refer to yourself aas a recovering perfectionist t what does that mean? >> guest: well because i thought i was going to be recovered at 40, but that kind of happened. i just recently turned 50 and now i'm very proud to say that i think i'm on the road to recovery. i think it's really important to achieve as much as possible in life, and a lot of times it takes a lot of grit and determination and that fighting spirit. and yes, perfectionism, but it can also lead to a tremendous amount of unhappiness because nobody is perfect. i think we should celebrate our mistakes a little bit more in this world, a station with our kids. stop giving every kid a trophy, make them earn something, make them fall on the face. when you get into the real world, you have to know how to handle yourself when mom and dad are not around.

so yes, recovered, reformed, whatever the right term is,, perfectionist and proud of it, gretchen carlson book, "be fierce: stop harassment and take your power back" comes out in october of 2017. this ithis is a preview on bookn c-span2. >> booktv recently visited capitol hill to ask members of congress what they are reading this summer. >> i just finished the next by nathan hale. excellent novel especially for a first novel. really talented writer and it takes place in many different worlds. i thoroughly enjoyed it. i really like reading novels. ..

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