our focus on memoirs chief of the dallas police department david brown recalling his 33 year career. this is from the bookexpo in new york city. >> chief david brown what was your day like july 7, 2016? how did it start? >> guest: started as a normal day in a chaotic world of policing where you have scheduled protesters who had planned that part of a national protest day for a very large protest event. that's not unusual in policing today. we had planned for it to be

something that we would manage peacefully. we have strategically put ourselves into the planning process so we can hear any dissension or any plans for property damage or violence so we were. comfortable that warning that this would be an event where people express themselves that we would be navigating and guiding in a peaceful way. >> host: how did it develop? >> guest: well it began as scheduled, on time. there were scheduled speakers, no different than what you hear and other protests across the country about police officers and unarmed lack meant that this was focused on minnesota and what happened just the day

before. this was connected to protest in new york, los angeles, all the big cities experiencing similar protest. it was going to plan and people were interacting well with the cops taking selfies, smiles. we had worked really hard on that relationship for several years. i am born and raised in dallas so this was something that made protest even later into the protest i felt very comfortable with, that it was going to be a peaceful event. >> host: how long had you been chief at that point? >> guest: i had been chief for six years. the average tenure is three. i am looking at every detail of

everything. he gets out of hand so we were really focused on it and i was very focused on it. >> host: where were you when the shooters started killing people? >> guest: i had left a minute a four. i lived right across the street from headquarters in a condo in downtown dallas a couple of miles away from the event and i had just told the deputy and command that is peaceful and i'm going to go home. stayed to the end to make sure no fighting or anything broke out as people walk to their cars i had taken off like a bell that my uniform and i got this call. he was frantic and out of breath.

what he said to me made my heart dropped. it really did. >> host: what is the aftermath of an a vat like that? five policemen killed. in one day. guess who it is gut-wrenching that you have to explain to a widow and an officer's kids why it happened and you have to do it meantime on the national stage so you have to try to maintain that intimacy to carry the right message when you are on television or radio or interacting with the public and how you were expressing how you feel about the sacrifice that their husband just made. it was beyond painful having to stay composed.

>> host: david brown in your new look called "called to rise" you talk about losing your partner early on in your police career. >> guest: we were batman and robin. the relationship was built on the ages and we envisioned who left the ranks. we enjoy in protecting the community. because he was older he had a more mature thought process to policing that i would gain later and my respect for him and his words after he passed killed in the violence in dallas. only then did the tragedy makes sense. at that time it made no sense.

i didn't understand how bad things happen to good people. i wanted to give up. >> host: is community policing worth it? >> guest: yes. it makes police officers safer and the citizens safer and it reduces crime more than any other approach to policing. i'm convinced of that. i have been persuaded to not just gather results in get feedback. i let communities trust the police department and for c. all the perceptions of crime and the trust issues that you struggle

with as a police force in our country is resolved through community engages meant. through what the community is expressing to you the flaws of not only their neighborhood but their offices if you listen. >> host: what is the downside? >> guest: the downside is a culture of policing that is -- not the best way to police the reality is it's just untrue. you have people are mentally ill and those that are truly violent and those who need to be locked up and if you lump them all

together your prisons become a revolving door. poverty and people who are the results of maybe a poor environment or poor educational system. all of the social ills criminalized and lumped altogether with people revolving in and out of our prisons and you have the type of crime that makes you less safe. >> host: in your new book, you talk about the effect of federal policies on cities such as yours in dallas. mass incarceration and tougher crime laws. what do they do on the local level? >> guest: they make your neighborhoods responsible because if the family structure

that is the neighborhood of your city and once you dysfunction that through incarceration or are tough on crime without a thought of the downstream effects of these folks who are incarcerated, who might often need mental illness treatment and see the police as someone who mistreated their father. the mother has to do everything in the children are on the street when she is at work. now they are in the system. it's a cycle but for the social demographics of poverty and poor schools and all the usual suspects of this dysfunctional

society. the cops have to resolve out with handcuffs. that's not resolving the complexities in our country and the cops often fail at that. >> host: from your book when the races cops are targeting unarmed black man they skipped over mountains and nouns of issues. get to that one. what are they skipped over? >> guest: and they skipped over the sacrifice that officers have made. how can you mention all cops as racist particularly white cops yet you get five white cops killed by protesters who are protesting white cop arrests. it doesn't match. there's something disconnected with their conversation and much of it is about listening and

much of it is about and transpositions. we don't listen and talk at each other. cops make the ultimate sacrifice for you regardless of your race and then to have painted with a broad brush a racist cop isn't right. many of our mothers taught us this. it's really a prescription of some of the violence we have between communities and the police. communities of color if you want something done right, you do it yourself and that means put down the protest signs and put an application. we need more people of color in law enforcement to help us bridge the gap between policing and communities of color. we need it. it won't be resolved until there

is skin in the game from all sides including through local democracy and voting. you can't create significant change when you have that paradigm of people not participating in democracy. >> host: what is the racial break down of the dallas police department? >> guest: for the first time before he retired in october of last year where a majority minority department. 51%, hard-fought to get that balance because particularly for millennials. today millennials of color policing is not a preferred profession. it is not something you want to be part of because it's painted in a very negative light with viral videos coming out.

many of the police involved shootings that i have seen really describe what i know and most cops know this, everyone is not meant to be a cop but their percentage of people who can't react under pressure and they should be weeded out of the profession. we all know that. not just citizens but cops know it. that won't significantly change until that -- becomes part of the solution much more engaged much more into participation. >> host: i want to ask you about two people who have appeared in your book. who is p.j.? >> guest: my son, 28 years old who suffered under announced myself and the family from adult onset dipole or and medicated with marijuana and it led to pcp

he and a mental episode while i was at church killed not only an innocent citizen but a suburban cop in the dallas area and subsequently killed on father's day. we are not just talking about walter williams my partner in the police department was killed, my brother killed. and my only son killed. i cried many a tear and i'm barely able to talk about it without crying. what i found about that type of grief under those circumstances that i buried my son even more so. the deepest pain you can describe. indescribable the pain you feel for burying a child but what i

found the deepest and darkest part of that time of my life was the brightest hope that you can never imagine for not only my family but other families and people that they love with mental illness. also for bringing together what is divided. i have hope for that prevent hope for people who don't see how they could ever agree on anything for people who are so entrenched and believe that whoever disagrees with them as the enemy. my hope for all of this is borne out of bed deepest despair. that's where you find the brightest hope and that's what i describe in the book. it's what keeps me going.

i retired on top. that's not why you going to public service. you go into public service to actually serve people, not to be served. the next days of my life in this book is pointed toward wringing people together, mental health policy and funding, police reform and the funding necessary to make it happen and reconciling our differences. i'm using this book platform as well as an on-air contributor to springboard resolving our wounds around race. around policing and around differences in our political system that just cannot sustain

itself on the way it's going. there's got to be something that bridges what has been divided and i hope to play a small part in that resolution. >> host: here's the book. it's called "called to rise" by retired dallas police chief david o. brown just out in the bookstores. >> guest: thank you so much, peter. i appreciate it. take care.

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next we hear from christian picciolini as he recalls his life as a member of the neo-nazi skinhead gang. his memoir is called "romantic violence." this is about an hour and a half. >> good evening. i am abraham foxman. i'm currently director of the center for the semitism and from time to time i have an opportunity to welcome some of our guests particularly in the area of prejudice and engage with them with conversation. after our guests speaks and makes his presentation i will begin with some questions and make the floor available to you to ask him, argue with him