at 11:00 p.m. journalist david - recalls the total solar eclipse of 1878. and at 11:45 pm last month annual libertarian conference freedom best, james o'keefe founder and president of parted veritas on his thoughts on the media. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. now, joel pollak on the 2016 presidential election. >> breitbart news is senior editor at large, joel pollak. take us back to august and how you felt about the election. >> i was not optimistic about trump is for any republican chances against hillary clinton. but my editor predicted differently. he predicted that donald trump would not only win the nomination but go on to win the presidency.

he did on the basis of data that he was looking at particularly the large number of democrats in key counties and places like northeastern ohio who are switching the party registration from democratic to republican. and one of the things they were doing this was that they watched the first presidential debates and they realize that donald trump was speaking about issues that many felt democratic voters cared about. trade and immigration. bernie sanders was talking about the issues also which is one of the reasons he did so well in the democratic party's primary. but for many of the voters and many swing counties across america donald trump is where the action was. michael arthur said this is where it's going to be on election day more than one year from now. i was much more skeptical. although i did see that something was happening. i think you can trace the dates that trump seized control of the election to july 10, 2015. that was about 3 and a half weeks after he launched his campaign and for the first

three and half weeks he was kind of bumping along the bottom in the polls. but on july 10 he met with the families of remembrance projects. these are people who lost loved ones to crimes by illegal aliens. whether it is drunk driving or murder. and trump empathy for the families. breitbart cover this. then there is a picture of donald trump standing with his arms folded listening to the families. and and just days he took the lead. it was showing conservative voters possible that he was going to pick up an issue important to them. but also showing voters in general that he sided with families and people who had been denied protection from the government that they had a right to expect had been promised they would receive. i think that is emotionally and in terms of the polls when he took over the election but is still that hillary clinton had history in her side, the first female nominee. at that would be hard for anyone to beat.but then i saw that trump had a real chance because he took on the media like no other republican candidate. [inaudible question]

>> i was covering west coast campaign events for trump, bernie sanders, hilary, we try to give breitbart people at the ted cruz events. things like that. so in the primary stage i was mostly focused on the west coast and i would travel to events when they happened.but i joined the campaign press corps, the traveling press corps around donald trump's campaign for the last stretch of the campaign was the general election was ready well on its way. in the debates and so forth and covered the home stretch. even then i did not expect him to win. when i something about the idea for the book the initial title was going to be something like the follow trump tower something like that. i just did not see that he would have a great chance of winning. this picture of individualism and achievement that almost had literary readiness and american

culture through his own books and impact and yet falling short of the end. that is kind of how i something is happening. over the course of the next few weeks and two is election day, they were events and things that i experienced that led me to believe his chances were a little stronger than that.but it was as much of a surprise to me on election night when he did when as it was at six in the evening that hillary clinton was going to be the next president of the united states be my co-author larry had a different perspective. he had sources of data that were proprietary, he had sources in various counties that were telling him what was going on. he was much more competent that trump would win and predicted the electoral votes by which he would win very closely. so really he had his fingers on the data and was confident in the data. and i was listening to a donald trump saying and what people were saying about donald trump in the media. i never wrote him off, i never

thought he did not belong at the top and didn't have a chance but there were interesting things about the report with the voters that were early signs of their devotion to him. that they would march over broken glass, barefoot to the polls to vote for him. on election day was it you or your co-author he went to see the grave of rabbi - >> that was me! i went there. jared krishna and ivanka trump had done a few days before. i've never been there. >> principal who was? >> the rabbi was the seventh -- in his lifetime he rescued you could say, postwar judaism and gave it a religious direction that many people thought he would never have again after the holocaust. even with the establishment of the state of israel, israel

leaders at the time assumed that religious judaism is fading and if it existed, it existed in small pockets and to reverse that he promoted jewish ideas, jewish values, jewish practices as good and and of themselves. not just of the tradition trying to preserve but as positive forces for change in the world that were not just restricted to jews.it was a value that judaism inspired. and he inspired people to become missionaries and affect other jewish communities around the world. and in the course of the project he became very widely respected, not just in new york where he lived with throughout the country for his advice. the advice of political leaders in israeli politics and global affairs. politicians would come to seek his advice. their pictures him talking to robert kennedy and correspondence with ronald reagan, things like that.

his impact was on both parties. both parties sought his advice. i decided to check it out on election day. jared and ivanka trump probably for the same reason. i went and it was quite an interesting experience. it was a lull in the day. usually when people are voting there is not much news article couple of hours and i talked about a little netbook with the tradition is to write a note to leave at the gravesite. there are thousands and thousands of notes at this gravesite. the one that won the triple crown, this truck you'd left a note and went on to win the triple crown the next day. anyway, i left my note on the side of the grave and i intended to folded up and put on the gray. then a breeze came through and lifted it up and it landed on the gravesite. to me it was kind of interesting. anyway, i got an uber back into

town to get ready for the victory party. and the uber got lost in queens. so i was stuck in queens for an hour.which made me very nervous about making deadlines and so forth but it was amazing to see the world that donald trump came from. meandering through the streets in queens, that this is who he is. a guy who grew up in queens, and made it in manhattan has achieved the ultimate that he or his family would have imagined. so it was a very interesting way to spend the afternoon on election day. of course when i got to the victory party tonight if i like a funeral. it was 7:30 p.m., people look a little dejected, it was a small group. >> was that it trump tower? >> it was at the hilton. the media access to the party. and donors were gathering there and most of the people. really, the inner-circle was at trump tower for a while. but the hilton party felt very diminished. very sad kind of quiet.

i spoke to my breitbart college there and they all had explained his wife trump was going there. people thought it was not looking good, and so forth. that would look at the screen and there was a map of florida. panhandle counties had not come through yet. i just been there with the trump campaign in pensacola. my wife exited her navy training in pensacola so i know the area somewhat well. and it is a deep red country. very republican. in fact so republican that when i asked a woman at the rally in pensacola the same question as people everywhere which is why are you here? and she said because i'm not an idiot. that was her answer to my question. that's how automatic the vote was and i said if they haven't counted as counties yet how do they know where florida will go? sure enough, those county starts to come in and suddenly everyone felt that trump was going to win. i did not think he was automatically going to win because of florida, in fact i

counted on him winning florida in my calculations but i knew his strategy had to be to pick up a blue state. he was not going to win by using the tried and tested republican strategy of just winning the concert of -- i knew he would have to steal at least one state from the blue column. this has been a republican idea for quite a while. sarah palin wanted to do this in 2008. mitt romney and paul ryan tried to swing wisconsin. this has been an idea out there but trump really wanted to do it. and the day before the election actually ran into - on the outskirts of a rally in north carolina and i said frank, can trump win? question is is as if he was nevada, new hampshire, ohio and florida. i thought all of those were okay but i thought he would lose nevada. because early voted coming and it was massive. and i said can he went nevada and lose a blue state? and he said which one?

he could not imagine. and of course the next day he won three of those states. he won pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin. wisconsin was the one that no pollsters sought. my co-author said that his team predicted that trump is victory everywhere except wisconsin. so everywhere it happened they were ever they did not wisconsin would come into the red column. but it did. and then i said okay you can pop the champagne corks, this is over. but of course it took three or four more hours for the networks to call it. standing there in the media gallery, people looked crestfallen but they did their jobs and we were sort of left at the end, the breitbart crew. watching all of this and realizing suddenly that donald trump was going to be the next president of the united states. we covered it in the sense, cover the conservative arguments as well as some of the liberal ones against trump.

we had been in the middle of a fight because breitbart had been one of the more supportive conservative outlets of the candidacy. and the reality of what was happening hit us. and it was a remarkable moment in history. it was a privilege to be there. i write about that and a lot of the drama in the last few weeks in the book. >> did the funny stuff to fill up once florida came in and some of these other states? >> oh yeah! many people started screaming and at about 9:30 p.m.. it was pandemonium. for a long time. we were in the media gallery looking down on the floor. it was kind of like a mosh pit until about 3:00 a.m.. there was some booing when john podesta came out. and then was it called pennsylvania trevor i think was really interesting to people is not so much the election night dramatics which i think i would

have their own interesting story about where were they when it happens. but some of the conversations i had with the voters and people in the crowds, people really liked trump.i first had a sense that he could win the nomination here in las vegas. i went to an event, this is still the primary of 2015 in las vegas. and trump did a couple of things no other candidate does. the conventional wisdom of politicians is that you want to keep an audience waiting. you know that you are not a celebrity in your own right i mean of course trump is but few politicians are. so they work hard to create this air, they want to create this feeling. so i was told that one of the things that more seasoned candidates do is arrive on time but wait for about 15 or 20 minutes and then they come on stage. trump did not do that. at the event in las vegas he just came right out on time

throughout the campaign. he was almost always on time and the message that since the people in the audience was, those that have driven or waited out, the message is sent is that their time is worth something to him. so there was an immediate intimacy between the candidate and the audience which most candidates don't want. they usually want a distance, they want the artist to put them on a pedestal. donald trump came up with -- he came off of the pedestal. and people were saying this man is crazy, there was a stream of consciousness, they said all of his speeches, he wasn't crazy if you're standing in the room it was a conversation that you would have among friends. about current events and it was an ordinary conversation. and people appreciate that he was letting them into his confidence. and the way he does on twitter,

and in the new york times some of the interviews, he lets out a little too much about what he is thinking but i don't think we've had a president like this before. he doesn't let you know about foreign policy, we are not going to take what we are going to do with isis arana russia. i think it's good to be unpredictable. that's my personal view. but in terms of how he feels about things he is very direct about that. and that is the rapport between him and the audience. as i left the event that night, i said there is no other republican candidate that does that. no one who can do it. he drew that about 4000 5000 people to the westgate casino i think it was. marco rubio had a rally two blocks away and he had about 200. and marco rubio on paper in a sense was that a candidate appeared more experienced, his policies lined up perfectly with the conservative movement, he was appealing to

intersection of people. and on paper he was the guy who checked all of the boxes. trump had a connection to people and it was not just celebrities. it was in a charismatic persona. when you look at obama rallies it was almost that kind of charismatic feel. people believed in him and elevated him above them. donald trump had a different feel. he was a man who would come down from trump tower on the escalator, descending and giving up a lot of that prestige. look at how his brand has suffered at his personal life has been opened up and turned upside down.and now his business is under investigation. he has exposed himself and all of these ways for the sake of the job. and there was a young woman on the campaign trail at a rally in michigan. it was one of the most interesting rallies. it was one of the few events asserted late. he started late because we had

trouble getting there with traffic in the road, secret service was literally clearing people up with the roads. anyway, he got there late and it was actually packed and it was one of the younger audiences. the conservative audiences tend to be a little older but this is a young audience. people in their teens and early 20s, like a rock 'n' roll concert. i asked one of the young women what brought her here and why she likes donald trump and she said, he loves us. and i said to her had you know he loves you? and she said because he doesn't have to do this. and that was the same sentiment i saw the beginning of the campaign when i first went to a trump event. people have an appreciation for the way he was giving his time, arriving on time, giving up his lucrative comfortable life to enter the fray of american politics. you might say is not such a big sacrifice he lives at pennsylvania avenue, he is

driven everywhere, he will be remembered trevor his net worth has probably risen, obama is probably worth as much as mitt romney which is kind of ironic but - what people had was that he was sacrificing himself for this. it wasn't that it was the next step up on a political stairs like hillary clinton and for other candidates. and i think that remains is connection to his voting base. he will feel he is giving something up for them and he remains loyal to them. and in the first six months despite the daily ups and downs the roller coaster rides it has been in some of the setbacks in congress and so forth his own voters are almost entirely with him and is not because they have a adherence to him as a personality but because he is delivering on things that he promised them he would do. it was very interesting at the end of the first 100 days.

the poll asked voters what they thought about the trump administration. democrats hated it and republicans loved it. the one thing that both sides agreed on is that he was doing what he said he was going to do. democrats don't like that he said when he was going to do and republicans loved it. but that was the one common area of agreement and some of the polling around that time. i think it is largely still true.even though he has met more obstacles especially in congress which i think he was unprepared, certainly don't think leaders of congress expected him to win. i think some prepared for him to win. mitch mcconnell i think deserves a lot of credit for the way he handled the nomination of merrick garland in 2016 in the neil gorsuch and 2017. in the slim chance that trump would win, he did. he made a big bet there. but mostly i think washington was unprepared. so trump is dealing with that, dealing with extremely hostile

media, bureaucracy in the administration. and portions of it of a not so secret rebellion against the ministration. i think it's a massive challenge but so far he's doing okay. it's interesting to see and certainly his voters feel he is delivering on what he promised. >> so did you read here and loathing in las vegas? >> no i did not. but there is an element - it is not as crazy as that is not as adventurous.i took a little bit in the book about a little side trips i made on the campaign trail and one of the interesting ones was to harvard we happen to be in new england and i flew down from new hampshire to boston. i joined some family friends there for the jewish sabbath. and i took that afternoon on saturday to walk across campus where i study.

and to visit some old friends. one friend in particular who was a quiet trump supporter on campus, there were a few of them in the faculty. we had this a long discussion about trump and what he meant. especially about the perilous state of american politics and american discourse.the thing that worried us both at the time was whether he won or lost america was going to be divided. and it remains divided. it is not because of trump, it is not even because of the campaign. it goes back earlier. some of it starts before the obama administration. but i remember almost a fondness when i was in college in 1990s the big complaint among political - was at the two parties are too close and there was no real disagreement, no issues at divided people. and he began to crack a little bit with the impeachment and

then the recount of transport was kind of look back a little ways to see some of where the division began. certainly the obama presidency was divided in that obama, like bill clinton did not react to setbacks by coming toward the middle. when he had a political setback you move further in the direction he intended to go. i think for conservatives and republicans and many independents it was raining. and so i think they decided they needed someone to fight back which was trump's appeal in terms of the style of campaigning and here we are. this agent of change basically in the white house. and in ways that obama wasn't. obama was focused on changing the foundations of society and he spoke about the fundamental constitution and he was fixated on changing what he saw as a society marred by slavery and racism. and donald trump doesn't feel that way about america.

he is trying to change america's government. in a way that resonates more deeply with the american electorate which does not want to revisit its first - does not want to undo liberty or apologize for the american presidents of the world. but also causes water problems in washington because government is set on working a certain way and trump wanted to work typically. he comes from the real estate world, a business world where things are built. where things are done directly, there's an early, under budget. washington doesn't work that way. the thing that worried us on that side trip on the campaign trail was what i worry about now. i wonder why we have come as far down this road is we have. and one of the more interesting comments in my book came from someone also a harvard professor, and he told me the thing he liked about my book as someone from the outside was that my personal accounts of being on the campaign trail in following trump, made trump

seem normal to him. because he is not seen as normal in the media. he is with this terrible dictatorial fascist or whatever they said or seen as this figure no one can figure out. but when you are close to what's going on you can see the day-to-day and place it in a broader context of other people at the time and geography and changing of the seasons, whatever it is. you understand that there is an element of it that is actually normal. we have just become used to a different way of doing politics and events our people are so frustrated with politics. trump is trying to change up your some of the changes are quite ambitious and may be challenging.sometimes even radical. but as a figure, he is not outside the bounds of the american political experience. and there is a lot that is familiar about him and people immerse themselves in this trump world. maybe some don't want to do that but if you don't want to look to a trump rally and you don't want to do that get sent in his mind and see what his

policy is you might want to read the book. it is as the part i really get into. and larry's part of the book is focused on the historical context of trump. he really puts into context how the trump campaign, although different from anything and everyone has experienced, certainly our lifetime, is not unprecedented. our presidents where this kind of campaign of these ideas and that is given the history because he also gives you data that further explains why trump won and how. by the way he still collected some of the data. he says that we shipped from democrat to republican voter registration has continued after the election of your momentum is still on the republican side. even though if you are snooze you would think it was the opposite. by the electorate his following trump on the issues. democrats are not talk about issues that talking about trump.

it is not good at broadening the democratic party electorate and that is why democrats are still struggling to figure out the strategies for the 2018. that is why there almost paralyzed by the resistance movement was encouraged by the which is so radical that democratic party leaders are having trouble raining it in. trump is talking of the issues people still care about your trade, national security, healthcare and that is why the electric continues to trend in his direction. we can start delivering on more these days particularly on the legislative sign and i think you'll see the trend accelerate. >> and "how trump won", he talked about as he said your experiences on the campaign trail. what is it like to be on the campaign trail in what is the reaction you got from the other reporters being part of breitbart? >> breitbart fights with the media lot. so when i joined a newer wasn't going to make too many friends.

i was surprised that i did make some friends. but i know not to try to be to parochial with people because either they wouldn't want that kind of relationship with a breitbart reporter work in the i wasn't. i had to be focused on what i often felt people were focusing on. the interesting thing to me was how few journalists took an interest in the crowd. there was this kind of condescension of fear, irritation. not every report and all the time but i found many reporters sort of stayed in his cage that they put you in a big event and i would just jump the fence. i did not really care. i was going to talk to people. to me that is what made the new story. talking to people at the rallies. and it struck me that there wasn't that much free -- the media have an idea already about what trump supporters were. i'm generalizing here. but it was fun. friendships were made across ideological boundaries, there

were some very left-wing reporters i got along very well with because because of baseball. the cubs were in the world series at the time.and it was fun just to be on the trail for many of the reporters did not

could speak about where he was and whe was going and where he was going to next, created a kind of immediate intimacy again with people in each place he went to. and it was funs at times to socialize with people and i don't socialize but around world series games and things like that we did that, and there was some funny things that happenedded there was some tense

moments also there was some very strict rules about what you can report about what goes on inside the press band or on press plane, and i had a -- disagreement with the head of the pool basically about one of my stories where i was reporting on a reaction i didn't quote anybody. but it was evident what reaction was and i was told i shouldn't do that and it was back and fort so a lot of stories about what has happened on plane don't get into the book for that reason and they're off the record. which i think is a shame in a way because i think that narratives are really set among journalists i think there's a significant amount of cooperation seems out of necessity people share quotes and somebody missed something trump said somebody will fill it in so you need to cooperate with each other so there's also a shared world view where an idea is inside the press ab the meaning of something trump has said or whether it was acceptable for him to have said that and there's little i was hearing things that said all of

the things that i disagree with and people disagreeing with it and i disagree with that but surrounded by 40 or o 50 people more senior than you in most cases doing this for longer it is very hard to say i disagree with the rest of you you're all towards a decline you don't have energy for that kind of argument so i think interesting to see inside what the press is actually doing. i think the public would benefit from it and journalist benefit from it. because i think there's a vitality and behoove journalists to think themselves out of it to look at eventses and understanding events that don't fall into this established pattern opinion right now for example i think most of the media -- sees itself as the opposition party. you know sees them in the white house called them that. but i think they started seeing themselves as opposition party before they gave it a name and i think it's a mistake. i think it's a mistake. obviously any press core corps.

is there have any cooperation because administration wants to get it done and report on what administration is doing or not doing, but i think media has taken a partisan stance that -- has undermined its own ability to reach its audience, and ironically make that partisan effort harder to reach its full tillment to come around to the point of view but undermining trugs and credibility you're losing people you're trying to bring along with you. so i think there's so many room for journalist to think about how they report on presidential campaign what they hear ideas they don't like. breitbart conservative website but our method when we cover liberal politicians or liberal events is usually just to present them as they are. our audience does not needs to be told what's good and what'sed be and what liberal politician said and straight deliver have i most effect. so i went to cover hillary clinton's for example last august speaking about the right that was basically an attack on breitbart news which had she lumped in with alt right a

speech to an audience, and it was just interesting to report exactly what she said. and a the reaction of the crowd. nobody not crowd knew what was. her campaign stage this to paint trump as extremist and so forth but what she was saying was effective in telling our audience what they needed to know first of all about the facts about what had she had said but secondly about how out of touch she and her campaign with what was going on inside the campaign that this wasn't some fringe movement but a populous moment where trump was connecting to millions and millions and millions of people who didn't get their opinions from twitter and didn't get their opinions from are obscure websites or blogs or people who had been experiencing somethings that trump was talking if in everyday lives that no other politician had acknowledged. so i think -- there's a lot to be learned from the way the press coverage 2016 i don't think that -- learning has happened yet. i think we're still seeing journalists trapped in a same mode. but certainly, i got along well with those people who wanted to

be friendly. people from west outlets it is really a question of -- temperament of individual people and how polite people are willing to be with with one other. conservative journalist who i don't get along with or don't get along with me it is not possible especially among competitors. but i think there's -- maybe a next bock to be written about lesson of the yeedz and so far the presidency. >> how did you get to breitbart what's your background? >> very interesting so how or pa back do you want to go? i was very liberal in college and in shortly thereafter. in fact i was part of the college democrat but they were too centrist for my taste i was much more many radical wing i would have been a bernie sanders voter. i grew up in a liberal area. >> i went to school public school as well as jewish religious school earl a on but harvard college for undergraduate. i began to change my mind a little bit about half way through college.

i still thought of myself as -- on the left but there were thing what is began to bother me. most important thing that bothered me was the hostility, questions i used to go to left wing political erchght and lectures to ask questions i was often told my question was -- based on an incorrect assumption and i answered all questions if i had a question it was because you didn't understand anything. i went to conservative events to ask challenging questions as a liberal student and i never got that reaction. i would get an explanation and response and never be shouted down or anything like that so open mind pedness attracted me a little bit. but really it was my time in south africa i spent seven years between college and law school in south africa first working as freelance journalist and then a speech writer. and that was open my eyes because i saw many of the let wing policies that i had strongly tbleefd just a few years before being implemented destructive and achieve opposite of what they set out to accomplish.

i thought of myself as a democrat but after a six months in the country and law school and campus i realized i wasn't so i became a republican, aboutive in republican causes and volunteer on mccain campaign 2008, and i had this -- infamous confrontation with baron knee frank when he came to give a lecture that went viral when youtube was still relatively young, and i got a call from republicans back home in illinois who said we need someone to run in the district would you consider doing it? i said okay so i ran for congress -- in a very blue district. on the conservative platform, and we lost badly. but the campaign was very successful. we had this conservative campaign that raised almost 700,000 dollars, and i'm not financing in any way, student loans the whole deal. it was just the excitement of finally having a conservative candidate to vote for that brought out hundreds of volunteers donors from across the country. and we ran a tough energetic

campaign and in the course of that campaign i met andrew breitbart he called me a candidate journalist the reason why i was doing my own opposition research when i went to rnc said what do you have on my opponent no one has run against her so we don't have anything and never really tried because it is a liberal district we never put resources into it. so i ran in opposition campaign and we uncovered things that didn't just -- tell it a story about my opponent but really told a story about what was going on in the democratic party because she was deeply connected to bum and to political operation around obama particularly through husband robert kraismer a well known democratic -- >> jan, and her husband robert, and cremor had had trained obama's activist, and cremor was a community organizer, and was in a way mastermind behind policies that obama had implemented in first year or two of his presidency. and those links never untold and

i wrote big government.com and breitbart hadn't become the news that it is today so andrew and then developed a relationship after i lost i pitched the idea to him of coming otowork in l.a. doing legal work for company because it had started to grow. company which had started with one employee, and andrew breitbart basement was not half a dozen employees and it was growing, and it was becoming a national media story or o national media organization. and i think i was employee number 7, and i moved out there, and i was in house counsel for six months i still have in house counsel responsibilitieses but then as company really started to expand, andrew made me editor in chief and i was editor in chief for two years including period when he died suddenly and we had to hold the company together. rebot as a news organization, and really start breaking stories. we had been a blog site for -- the first few years of the website. and --

that was good in materials of getting voice to conserve withtive and journalists but it wasn't good in terms of competing with mainstream media and replacing in a sense at the front of the breaking news pack, and andrew's vision was always to get into breaking news 24 hour news, and to -- move into other media so we now have radio on serious xm and breitbart news daily, and the breitbart weekend shows on channel 125. on cirrus so amazing between company grow now more than 100 employees and to come in when it was relatively young to be a part of the success has been incredible. i think andrew would be proud of it. i think he would be fascinated by what's going on todays. but i think he would have anticipated a lot of it in a way trump -- was a candidate anticipated by breitbart even though he wasn't -- a conservative this in the way that breitbart was a conservative coming out of the movement especially here we have freedomfest andrew breitbart tended to libertarian side in many ways and trump has some

liberal tendencies when it comes to social issues. but some of his oleses are not libertarian people would be talking about this at this and been talking about it already. but andrew understood that trump knew how the media works to overcome yeedz and andrew said in 2012 that, because of the way trump beats the media, trump is going to be your candidate one day. if you don't watch out in other words he was saying he's not a conservative the way that other people are conservative bus he's going to be the candidate you get because he knows how to fight and you guys don't. and i think andrew -- early feelings about that were were fulfilled, and the reason many republicans voted for trump even those who didn't like him it was that he's a fighter and he fights back against the people that republicans feel are really their opponent which is less democrats and liberals and more the media. andrew believes in, i believe that given a level playing field --

with the media allows both sides equal time and equal respect and equal coverage -- conservatives will win most of those debates and so a lot of the energy of the media is devoted to marginalizing conservative, marginalizing republicans, so that we don't have the same chance to have our five. now the remedy for that is not some fairness doctrine where everybody is forced to have equal access anything like that. remedy is to expose bias where it exist and that has been something we've done a lot of at breitbart and more of since the election. we've been actually fighting against a lot of the coverage because -- we think trump is a president who we can hold accountable. accountable to voters is accountable to comments he made. but he should be accountable based on policy and principle not based on media's often contrived crises, and double standards. they've tried to catch him on things they never complained about with obama as if they were

asleep for eight years and woken up to independent threat well you doapght get to complain about trump not giving a press conference when you wanted him to you -- followed obama around golf cows for eight years. so that's my path to breitbart you know, i like the company's posture i like a fighting kind of conservatism i like a kind of fighting political attitude. i don't necessarily march in lock step with everyone else on the site of we have different opinions about different issues and same with trump. i was critical of policies during the campaign, but i think the obligation we have are are to our readers hold them accountable according to pharmacies that he made to the people, and that's the world andrew breitbart wanted to create because democracy will happen in he has words, when the mainstream media filter is no longer there to prevent it from happening.

and we see that democracy as the trust i don't to call it a transaction but the trust that underlies an agreement between the voters and the president. the president offers certain things to voters they vote for him. they expect he delivers, and that's what makes democracy function. he's not accountable to white house press core but to the american people. and particularly to those who voted for him. so that's the world breitbart created and it's the world we're covering, and it's exciting to be part of it. the book was really exciting to write. it was labor of love didn't take too long because it was written on adrenaline and didn't need much sleep but just coffee. i since given up coffee by the way i was drinking top it during the campaign and decided to take a break. i hope you won't need coffee to get through this. an exciting reads i people will find it entertaining. >> the inside story of a revolution, breitbart news senior editor and large joel b.

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