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[inaudible conversations] it's been ashley curator here will go into space this is new in aerospace and today we have a talk i am hoping you rolla as excited as i am watching the space television the editor of large for "time" magazine also the author of multiple books from polio but even if

notably for today in this museum the author of first lost moon published 94 with jim lovell the story of apollo 13 the inspiration for that movie now not only talking but his new book by assigning after words it is called "apollo 8" the thrilling story of the first mission to the moon" please join me to welcome jeffrey kluger. [applause] i mentioned in the of book he wrote in 1984 you write about space in time magazine but what he brought you back to that exciting moment this point in time?. >> "apollo 8"?. >> my young adult book

editor were having lunch one day what it would work for adults and kids in the story of apollo eight came up and my eighth feeling has always been a great tale of american history american space history uv eight, 11 and 13 better the true benchmark missions we know why 11 the first footprint with apollo 13 the great tale of survival but apollo eight was the first time he lindying is left the gravity field of earth. we have lived our entire existence as the bottom gravity well over as we've managed to haul our souls out of the dirt spacecraft out to the atmosphere that

that his dog paddling and local harbor for the first time we sailed across the true deep waters of the space and went to another world and for 24 hours they were there they wereer creatures of another world it made all of the landing is possible to. >> what makes apollo eight m special? they know why apollo 11 was special but apollo eight was a dramatic shift in the of plan so what made that so special about point in time?..he >> as we know that was easily the most blood soaked year in modern human historyina, riots in the west in the

soviet invasion more rights in mexico city for those thousands of self-inflicted wounds of the summer 1968 a handful of people at nasa realized there was a way to right the ship of the space program and as a dividend to redeem the year and country. this is one year after the apollo fire losing three astronauts on the launchpad fire. inez seemed completely thyond reach. the lunar module was hopeless. so here we were in the summer of 6816 months before president kennedy's deadline ata

and all the men at nasa at the time not including the women hid in figures and did extraordinary work but they said we can fix this command module and saturn five if we do it fast and get them trained we can be lunar orbit in 16 weeks to kick start the program and they did it. >> so are they trying you as a journalist to be stories? so tell us about those. so with these three gentlemen i never lose sight of the fact how privileged i am to call jim a friend i

have known the low level family 25 years but all three of them represents something special in particular about why human beings travel in space and why we travel in space and why we do these vicious things. going into with different motivation lovell loves nothing more than when he is in space in never is happypy and when he was doing something totally crazy. bill anders adores machines in the counterintuitive way mike though lunar module he made himself an expert every little rivet and bolts of the lunar module. this mission he did not get to fly so he learned the command module so this was

to do something amazing. frank is and was a patriot he went to west point in join your force is a burst eardrum and win this opportunity to become an astronaut to fly this improbable mission was presented he knew this was his chance to fight that important battle of the cold war to go out and win and come home all three knew about that ethical mitch -- mission for the species have large they would make us

whole sapiens the true world species. >> in negative encompassing but lovell had an interesting connection but if you go out looking at that jim and i for spacecraft that was the exact same model that they flew in the same time it is basically to coach suits --shoud seats the overhead isad 3 inches above your head. jim and frank lived in that space craft without everto ope getting to open the doors for two solid weeks.ously

he described it as a fortnight in the men's room.ibed they joked when they came home. >> spending so much time together. they perform there brilliantly and that is what made apollo eight work so well they brought in bill anders to with energetic hotshot in all the right ways and rounded out the group. >> but he played a substantial role he really immersed himself of studying the of lunar surface. probably one the most famous photos taken in history.

but the stories with biographies qc so what is your take on this flight so what did you learn?. >> so this is not by accident.that but bill anders insist rotating because they were flying around the flank of the moon so be earth rises laterally so they saw that right side up with this is the way it looks in:soew knowing it would be thrilling with everything in

the spacecraft and then said to me with 40% and then cut 10%. so what struck me was that window that they had to get this mission out of the planning stage on to the launch pad so that maniacal focus that they showed in houston to get that brass to do this with that very long subtitle was going to be that geniuses and inspiredthe ie nation say being mission

like cruz said enjoy that. but it did capture the nation of the mission but that was insane viet every single person brought into the moon -- into the room for these quiet conversation h who said we have a way to get to the moon in 16 weeks they said you were out of your mind. then they listened and said the gate can be done and. that we do have the manpower and human power to sprint to this mission we certainly have the astronauts personnel.

and with those flight operations i ask what is thet is best crew you ever flew? it is with never a clear idea of fighting right now. so even though they have not been able to fly they had these trees is an extraordinarily gifted men.we sw re that is to some degree but they put it people on top of saturn five. >> the first run was perfectct the second one a motion in itself a part but the very frank man went about to give

a press conference and nasa expected him to be very politic about it with a two sentence statement disaster.astr no way to fix that. and then to put those three guys on top in to sort out the problem in day did sort w it out.are talk >> so with that technology of the apollo era. so we have an interesting picture of survival that people will find interesting so how does that connect? and what actually happened? now you see the technology

so what are your reactions?. >> that is the thing i've never been quite so happy of my schedule that said you have an hour to kill. so drag me away from that display. i believe these machines in museums are important for a lot of reasons. first a volatile think anyone realizes the scale until you stand next to them soy is so ugly it is beautiful i can look at pictures of that all day to say this is the scale and the tactile beecheris sort of general

support for spaceflight can we expect to see this continue and think something like a partnership from the international space station is going to go forward and take us

to the next place? >> this is one of those questions i actually feel like i can answer optimistically. i think the collaboration will continue and should continue. part of it is simply because we are invested in it. the 17 nations who've collaborated to build this if you took 17 families and they all build an apartment building in with together you were kind of stuck with each other so you better make this work you put a lot of effort into it. i also think that will serve as a template for future international collaboration. getting spacecraft to mars will be i an order of magnitude more difficult than it was to get human beings because the distances are so much greater but if you can bring 17 countries together to do it you cut the costs and time an in tid collaboration and bring special expertise from different groups of people and also, i was touched by how readily and how

poignantly the u.s. and russian collaboration in space transcends petty politics. when we were over at th the timw and watched the launch of the rocket at 130 in the morning and the bitter cold steps first i could have died happy at that point seeing the rocket takeoff. they are produced at delete this particular. there was such a granular level of collaboration. there were three astronauts and two cosmonauts all the way to the little details with the miniature flags and when they got to cause extensive reentry, everything about it, the symbiotic sort all the

collaboration. scott kelly and has a twin brother mark kelly, nothing was more important than the relationship with his twin. he says my brother from another mother because they had this year in space together. >> i wanted to bring us back to the apollo eight story a little bit of a photograph that popped up which is the moon as it is seen by the apollo crew. seeing something like that, seeing earth from that perspective is something that was pretty new at this time, this was huge. they broadcast this from the moon on christmas eve. this is a pivotal moment when people were not only able to see the earth for a photograph later but live from the television from 250,000 miles away.

is that something that is helpful to think about as far as how space and of the media kind of interactive? there's this partnership between the two. the job can't be done without public support and you can't bring that story to the public. talk about your role in the space community and sort of the excitement that maybe you are helping i them part of the stor. >> that is something that i like to think about. i would love to be an astronaut. i want to be an astronaut. i still want to be an astronaut. i always realized though even as a little boy i am so ill equipped to be an astronaut. it's not something i am to do. but to be in the vicinity of that, to be in mission control,

to be sitting here, it was once said to me on the set of the apollo 13 movie and this is when i already started to feel close to the family at large, she said something. i've come to believe jim was born to fly the apollo and i know she wasn't us to make a disparaging the other things i'd written but that's okay with me to think if i was a little boy in pikesville maryland and my favorite astronaut was jim lavalle into the randomness like subatomic particles we just flew around randomly and collide. being able to make people understand why that story was

important and being able to make people understand that is a good day's work and i feel both humbled and privileged to be able to do it. >> if you have a question feel free to sit in the back row, where we have an area for you to stand. so the crew obviously successfully returned. they parted ways of course. in the immediate aftermath of the, where do their lives take them? >> their lives went to very different places. frank was done when he landed. it wasn't like he didn't have a good time, he did. it wasn't like he didn't realize the nature of the mission, he did. but he also knew this was a cold or mission. i'm home for the mission and at the end of the book we have him

on the deck of the carrier and he gives the apollo spacecraft and affectionate pat and he walks off and doesn't look back. he was a man with a patriotic job to do and he did it. the bill would have loved to have gone back into space but he also knew that the byzantine flight rules would have meant if he ever did get assigned to another mission odds were good he would have been in the center seat of the apollo which would have meant he would have gone out to the moon again and still not gotten to land so he was offered a position in government as a consultant or as an advisor to then president nixon and he then went into the private industry and i think he was happy doing that. jim said i'm coming back here. >> >> he was determined to

close those last 5 miles as to learn whated happens when a space craft does everything right and later learns what it does everything wrong. >> i was born after apollo i the do remember apollo levin nor those of other missions i grew up watching the space shuttle from the actualhe i space station. of thinking about those experiences of those particular astronauts but what about thinking of athin career of space flight?

soon there are a couple of things about that i will briefly include an anecdotee su the summer of 2012 the my daughters were 11 and nine taking us to the museum of science and industry to see the apollo eight spacecraft i pulled my girls aside to say you made me too young to appreciatetoo this right now but this is like showing you the santa maria. dog and that is all about toby that for a minute to have an appreciation. looked at those three qualities of the three astronauts as a man of

exploration and patriotic duty and those are qualities to take into your career. so you could do worse than follow the example of these three guys to play in yourur future. >> good afternoon. during the apollo eight and your christmas the broadcast. how did you experience it? how did the crew experience that?. >> i was plenty old enough to remember i was a very young adolescent i've

already learned one of the of rules that it showed no emotion but i could not abide by that rulele because i knew it was different and growing up and a terribly religious and eugenicists it did not matter. so it was speaking for the of rebirth that was not lost.

and how moral that year had been in a belief the astronauts appreciated that. of of of telegrams and all the letters of the leaders behind the world.ard and that identity still remains a female women. is said to the crew of apollo eight thank you for saving.so so they all went back to thest o rest of their work i thinkne

it is good.or and with those religious texts. and thinking of the nasa space flight. so day were dividend to convey that particular message. and actually be threatening to file a suit with day government enterprise. and they said fight a different fight. sova touche transform they address congress and then

sitting down in frontalk and then to go through public schools. and that he should not have done that. with separation of church just a. >> [inaudible] thanks for joining us today. [applause]

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