freedom from government, we are all equal in the eyes of each other, in the eyes of the state come in the eyes of god. that's what he believed. he said it's great to have other relation to its great to relearn about other religions but don't tell us some of the areas of the samoan islands are other traditions that touch about untouchables and god knows what is the same as ours. we should teach there is a difference, that there is not a moral equivalence. that obviously got into the great deal of trouble. that was the name of the book, god and man at yale because there's a fighting song they yale and then, for god, for men and for yale. he turned it god and man at yale meaning that secular humanism is pushing man between god and

yale. a little bit of a play on words. >> host: we want to introduce you to sam sorbo was written a book called "they're your kids: an inspirational journey from self-doubter to home school advocate." are you a teacher? >> guest: i am. ..

without that sort of approval, its approval, it's just a reached a certain level of success and they feel they have something to offer. but because of that, if i related back to parents, all parents could be teachers at barricades. but they are denied that feeling of capability and that's why the subtitle is an inspirational journey from soft batter to homeschool advocate because they doubted myself. >> host: did you start your kids in public school? >> guest: yeah, my oldest was in second grade and the system just failed him. they just aren't educating him the way i thought it should be done. and it was a hard transition. it is a hard transition for someone who's been publicly educated to think they might do a better job than the school. so what i said as i can do at

least as good a job as the school because they are doing a job. i can do a job. i convinced myself and kevin, i had to get kevin on board, my has-been and i said i just want to try it. i'll just try for the first semester. we will reevaluate come and see where we are and then decide. you can go in and out of public schools. it wasn't like we were in a private school and we were going to lose our spot or something. i tried it and i loved it. it's hard, but it's not harder than sending your kid to school. it's easier than sending your kid to school. >> host: you writing your book that you moved to the neighborhood because the public schools. just to remove there and they are good schools. according to the folklore, the second grade class that my son was then was the very worst

second grade class they've ever had. they had five problem children in the school -- in the classroom. it is a shared classroom so they had to teachers. every other day they had a different teacher. deliciously myriad of issues around the classroom, but we turned and made book report every month for five months and after the faith i had in received any back. i asked the teacher and i was in the classroom, talking to the teacher multiple times each week, extended conversations on what it happened that whatever. i taught art in the classroom. i help migrating papers and it still took me asking the question, how are his book reports to get the answer, not very good. i thought she was joking at first. she does not very good at all. every excuse picking up for her

not telling me miss, not volunteering information, not giving me the information as teacher to the parent until i asked. every excuse me her look worse, which made me feel bad because i liked her. you like teachers for different reasons than they are good educators. there are plenty of reasons to like a teacher. it wasn't that she was a bad educator either i don't think, but the system failed. she had 25 kids, five problem kid, she wasn't there every day so that division of labor, he fell through the cracks i guess. i'm not really sure what actually happened. i just thought i think i can do better. so what happened as i tried doing book reports at them every day after school. i wasn't even thinking homeschool. i was just thinking we've got a step up our game because my first. i don't know what a second

grader length. i said show me a good look report and she did and i was on the way because it was gorgeous and the cursive writing was amazing and my sons was like chicken scratch. everyday after school we worked on book report. this is probably what homeschooling is like. if you're a parent and you do schoolwork with your child, you homeschool. you just do it at the end of the day when everyone is tired, cranky and hungry. close to what was the process like withdrawing him from school and what are the regulations, if any? >> everything is different. californian integrates eight to homeschooling. there is no withdrawal. they're just not enrollment and then you take care of the paperwork with the date, which is very simple. there are so many organizations that develop over the past two decades or so.

homeschooling three decades ago was like the wild west, the new frontier. he really had to search for curriculum and you really had to do all your research. i become my curriculum in a box. i love it. seventh grade and upcoming literally picture curriculum like everything you want. everything i want anyway. there so many options out there and then there options to help you at the paperwork, to help you figure out requirements in your state or which you need to take care of. pretty good for us right now. >> host: you have three children? all home schooled? did the two younger ones ever go to public school? >> guest: they both went to kindergarten. >> host: is not a requirement or something you did? >> guest: it was something i did just to get them out of the house for a half day for fun.

so i brought shame home for first grade. grant came home for third-grade and katie went to kindergarten next year just for fun because she had gotten pregnant in kindergarten and i thought it would be fun and not with it. it was enough. shane actually didn't really respond well. he was okay, but he's not the social kid, so he didn't really want to be around a bunch of kids in on several occasions he just didn't want to go to school and i did all the research and as concerned maybe he was being bullied or something. that's not his bag. i can imagine how many kid are pushed into going into a 25 child classroom and they are not a social person. they don't thrive in that environment. it's too chaotic for them or whatever. >> host: train to come in your

book you say school bureaucrats view a margin 80 is a desirable outcome as if education could mimic a fast food franchise. >> guest: yeah, have you read the mission statement of the department of education? anyway yes -- >> host: what is it safe? >> guest: i would have to look it up. they've got the duration. that's all about the positive. it says something about equality. they're looking for equal outcomes in school bureaucrats are also looking for basically equal outcomes. and that is cultural. that's where society is right now. we are very much about equal outcome. but unfortunately, we live in an exceptional country and the need to preserve our exception on me. the way to do that is not a one size fits all education. >> host: idea kids feel? >> guest: they love it.

but a brainwashed them. parents need to understand that they should be in charge, that it's okay for them to be in charge. here's the thing. your child is five and it's to go to kindergarten. why? you can't teach them? he taught them to tie their shoes, but all of a sudden they turn five or six and now it's the job of a professional to teach them what? a b. c. d. e. f. g, this is a cat, this is a dog. so at one point -- at what point does the parent forced to tap out? i would argue maybe calculus. maybe for some people that's above my pay grade and i don't want to learn it. but what happens when i started homeschooling i realized that kind of wanted to learn some stuff. i'd never taken logic in school. i did logic with him and i learned logic and it was pretty cool. what we ought to be doing is

helping our children become lifelong learners. especially in this environment, the economic environment because the economy has shifted. you no longer get your college degree, get a job, work your way up the rank in 50 years later retire with a gold watch. people are changing careers, three times before the age of 30. for 40. i can't remember. people are changing careers. how do you change careers if you can't learn? what are we teaching our kids that we send them to school. school says this is how you learn. in order to learn a new career have to go back to that? no, you can hack your education online. there's a great type talk by a 14-year-old citizen who is discovering things and he says i hacked my education.

i went online. i wanted to learn about this. i looked it up. education is out there now and there are plenty of opportunities to educate yourself about how to educate your children if you really think you need to be taught how to educate your children. i am here to empower parents that they are the primary educators of their children and they don't mean to have that role to someone else at the age of five. >> host: what's the reaction of your neighbors, friends, other parents? >> guest: i live in a community that is homeschool supportive, that i don't run into a lot of pushback. nowadays every time i get on an airplane come an airplane, the flight attendant says to me, your children are so well behaved and so polite. and i guess they are because they are rodney 24/7. so i required that they be polite.

if i were sending them off to school, it's not that important because i don't spend all that time with them so they don't have to be polite. i would let it slide. but because they are around me all the time, not only did i start requiring please and thank you because it's tough to get the please and thank you. i said i want sir and ma'am. please, sir. thank you, man. i don't get that, but they always say please and thank you. >> host: is or has been on board? >> guest: absolutely. he is a gym teacher. what is he due for a living? he circulates. i have certain played hercules on television for seven years and since then he's been doing film, basically a lot of independent film. so he is an actor. he travels a lot. that was one of the reasons i

decided to homeschool because shortly after the book reported today, we went on a long trip and then i was really doing the work with the kids every day that i brought from the school and i didn't like the work they had sent. it's a lot of busy work. you know what, i think i can do better. so he's on board and i have a new book coming out. sam sorbo we are going to get to that. is there a stigma attached to homeschool? >> guest: if there is, it's a good one. you know what, people are starting to sort of make their peace with foreign schooling. i do not go after teachers. i think teachers are great. i would like to see more teachers work on a homeschool model with parents who can't afford the time or who can't manage to get it done.

i would love to see that. it is an example of failure. part of the reason it's a failed example is because we borrowed it from the prussians. our system is based on succession at the end of a finished product, but we are dealing with human beings, not cars. it is a model that is geared to quash the intellect and limit potential. >> host: how so? >> guest: for instance, these jobs gave a well-known speech at stanford commencement speech and he was booed off the stage because he basically said if you are graduating from college, you'll amount to nothing because you've been taught to be an employee and so you will never be an entrepreneur. why is the mantra of our school system in college prep in career

readiness? the interest of the government is to raise worker bees for the economy. interest of the parent is to raise a happy, healthy individual who can provide for themselves, who is self-sustaining. that is not necessarily the goal of the government. >> host: i already paying taxes to the local school. i don't have time. i'm not qualified. my kids need the socialization. some of the arguments. >> guest: i go through that. i have a list of the arguments because i've heard them. there are some valid arguments. i'm not saying this is one-size-fits-all. it is probably the best choice out there and if it's not, you're in a very unique situation because i don't have patience is a big one. i believe god gave you your

children to teach you patience. i think you need to learn patience. what is the opposite of patients? the opposite of patients is anger. so when you say i don't have patience, i say i'm sorry for your anger issue. have you seen somebody about that? there are a lot of arguments against it. how did we get here? we were lazy. you made a one-stop shopping. why would anyone put their child in an institution. i just turn on all all in ahead. let's go to the other angle. you've got a 5-year-old. why are you thinking of giving him over to an institution? what is the impetus they are? sam sorbo two full-time working parents. single parents. >> guest: single parents. there is the one area where i recognized this is really a far reach. i know people who have done it. it depends on the age of the child. it depends on the child's personality. it depends on a lot of things.

it may be homeschooling is not available to you. maybe that is an option not available to you. before i got married, my husband suffered three strokes. i got a great job shooting a tv commercial for ice cream, one of my favorite things. i wanted it. it was a big deal. i walked in the icu and i said to kevin, i got the job. they want me to fly to new york for three days. do you want me not to go? they wittingly put him in the condition of letting him know that he needed me. we were married yet. he said no i don't want you to go. the choice of having my career are the choice of having my husband and i chose my husband and a career was taken off the table. that's the choice. so if you are in a position where you have a child and you have to have a job that you don't have the time, i can't fix

that. those are circumstances that can be fixed at homeschooling may not be the option for you. however, i know people the way simply didn't want to homeschool. the husband wanted the children homeschooled so he hired retired teachers. one for each child. they came in the home every day for four hours, taught the children the curriculum he designed or that he chose for them. the mom cooked and cleaned and did her mommy stuff for the socials that she wanted to do with the charity outreach or whatever she was doing. never did homework with the kids because they get their work done in less than four hours a day with their teacher. cost him less than a private school, which would've been his other option and his oldest daughter just graduated harvard. i mean, i would never thought to have done that, but that's fine advocating for teachers who are

a little disillusioned with the system. you can branch out, start a small business homeschooling mother parents children and for their little co-op. the other thing we do is we separate objects. but it's not because there is a history to notch. there is a history to language. there is a history to science. there is nothing in science, science and math. all of these things are intertwined. what we've done in our school system to separate them all and now it's common core. we are turning math into magic. i'm a mathematician. i love matt and i went to school for engineering. i understand common core. i can figure it out. but to a young child is learning the common core method, it looks like magic. they are removing the intellect. and if you as a child don't get

it, you are. and if you as a parent don't get it, you look to your child. >> host: train to come you mention you have another book coming out. >> guest: yes, teacher love. a school year devotional for families of teachers. if you are a teacher in the school because i love and support them, i think they can be some of the greatest people and they do an amazing thing and they are working in a broken system. the godly characteristics were children. we remove god from our culture. we are actively trying to remove god from our culture and the fact is those characteristics are what should be emulating in trying for her children. we want a morally principled society, virtue in our society. we want laws to work. if we move on tran removes morality, we will resolve into tyranny. there's no other way.

it just came out. i just got a copy. my copies at home and my assistant sent me a photo of it. it is in the bookstores. >> host: the book we are talking to sam sorbo about is "they're your kids: an inspirational journey from self-doubter to home school advocate." >> guest: sam sorbo.com. >> host: sam sorbo.com. you are watching booktv on c-span2. >> now, one thing that is clear is who -- your brain tells your spine, tells your muscles to do something and you behave. what is incredibly complicated as understanding the meaning of the behavior because in one setting, firing the gun is one appalling act of another, heroic self-sacrifice and putting your hand on top of someone else is

deeply compassionate and another a deeper trail. the challenge for us is to understand the biology of the context of our behaviors and not one is really, really challenging. one thing that is clear is you will never understand what is going on if you get into your head you were able to explain everything with the part of the brave or the gene or the hormone or childhood experience or evolutionary mechanism that explains everything because it doesn't work that way. instead, any behavior that occurs is the outcome of the biology that occurred a second before in an hour before and all the way to a million years before. okay, so to give you some sense of this, you're in some situation, there is a crisis, there is rioting, violence going on, people running around in a stranger running not you in an

agitated state and you can't quite be sure what their facial expression is. maybe they're angry, frightened, and they've got something in their hand this seems like a handgun and you are standing there, they come running not you and you shoot and then it turns out what they had in their hand was a cell phone instead. and honestly ask a biological question, why did that behavior occurred near? what is really the central point is that is a whole hierarchy of questions. why did that behavior occur? what when on one second before you bring that brought about the behavior? to begin to understand that, the part of the brain at the top of the list of usual suspects is to bring region called the amygdala. you want to think about aggression in the brain. you think about the amygdala. if you stimulate that in an experimental lab, humans who have rare types of seizures that

start there, where types of tumors, uncontrollable violence, if you damage the amygdala to blunt the ability of the organism to be aggressive. the amended eula is about violence except if you sit down your typical and ideologists and ask what it's about, that is not the first word that will come out of their mouth because for most people studying it, what the amygdala is about is fear, anxiety and learning to be afraid. in other words, we've learned something very interesting, which is you cannot understand the first thing about the narrow biology of violence without understanding neurobiology of fear. world in which no neurons need be afraid there'd be about more sleeping between lions and lambs. the thing to make sense of what the amygdala is what parts of the brain does it talk to and which regions talks to in turn. the next region that is

incredibly interesting is called the insular cortex. the insular cortex is in fact incredibly boring if you're a lab rat or any other mammal because it does something very straightforward. you bite into a piece of food and is spoiled rotten and rancid and all of that and what happens as a result, your insular cortex activity can traverse all sorts of reflex. her stomach lurches come you gag, spit it out, a gag reflex. very useful. it keeps mammals from eating poisonous foods. you do the same thing with humans. a nice human volunteer who's convinced to buy into food that's rancid and discussing and they read a brain scan. all we have to do is think about eating something disgusting in the cortex acts debates. then something much more subtle. sit down someone in your brain

scanner and have them tell you about a time that something miserable and rotten to some other human were talking about some other recurring to somebody else and the insular cortex selectively. every other mammal on earth they discuss. it also does moral disgust. what that tells you that something is sufficiently morally appalling. we feel sick to her stomach then it leaves a bad taste in our mouths. we feel soiled by it. we feel nauseous because our brain invented the symbolic thing of moral mores and didn't invent a new part of brain at the time and instead there was some sort of committee meeting and they said okay, there's the insular that is like food

discussed okay, in their portfolio now. give me some debt paid. and it has trouble telling the difference. no surprise, the main part of the brain, the insular cortex talks to in the human brain is the amygdala because once it decides the thing is disgusting, you're a couple steps away from it being scary, being menacing, something you need to act against. and lots of ways, it is very cool, the insular cortex does this because suppose you see a moral bill that is to be killed in another time that that can take enormous self-sacrifice, loyalty and self-sacrifice in cases. if the moral this abstraction, this could be hard to pick up a head of steam to really be able to act against it. the rest of outcome in your stomach churning is where the force comes to to make the moral

imperative imperatives. that is great. but then there is a downside because the insular cortex does not very good at remembering it's only a metaphor you are feeling disgusted and suddenly you have the whole problem of people who were disgusted by somebody's behavior, which is somebody else's eyes is a normal, loving might dial. disgust is a moving target in time and space and there's a danger to decide be morally disgusted by something is a pretty good litmus test between deciding right from wrong and we know all the ways in which that can get you into trouble and most of all, every ideologue in history has had a brilliant intuitive feeling for how the insular cortex works, which is if you can get to the point when you talk about them, then the next valley, then who think differently than you, pray differently, love differently.

if you can get to the point you invoke them, insular cortex debate because there's something disgusting about them, you are 90% of the way by pulling off your genocide. a key to every good genocidal movement is taking them and turning them into being such infestations and malignancies that they heard the even count as human anymore.

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