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>> so welcome to this very special event. welcome to the world jewish congress. on behalf of the president and the ceo can't be here today unfortunately but they're definitely here in spirit. we want to thank you for attending. i want to acknowledge our chief program officer. thank you. tonight's event is a very special event with a very special guest as well. it's under the -- the world jewish congress and young professionals, many of those anybody members here are port or that nutwork -- network and it's in the field of public policy and diplomacy on behalf of the world jewish congress and we are all passionate about the causes to represent the causes of the

jew eu people and to speak up on behalf of the causes and represent them. i'm a member of the jd corps myself. tonight's event is organized under the tiedle "the anti-israel agent" and we'll analyze the global efforts to delegitimize israel and how to combat these ugly initiatives, and we of very happy we have a special guest speaker here today. we have a member of the. >> and we alex ryvchi and author of the book, "the anti-israel agenda." andalex will take the floor

from here. i will introduce him first. alex born in kiev, hails from australia. a prom enemy speaker, writer, media contributor ton the arab-israeli conflict, practicing law in sydney, london, he is currently the director of public affairs at the executive council of australian jewry. he brings together some of the finest minds demoted to the conflict and reveals our how the conflict as shifted to back global and local war fought mostly in the corridors of power. the media and campuses, i especially experience as well and every forum that touches or lives.

i'll hand over the floor to al 3/4 give his remarks. >> i have to begin first by thanking the beautiful wildfire who is in australia forks allowing me to come here and launch this book and sleep peacefully on the other side of the world while she is back there with two infeign children and i extend i deepest appreciation to the wonderful cast of contributors to the book. i want to thank my friends and colleagues at the jewish diplomatic corps,, and i'd like

thank robert singer, and to his team. and i particularly would like to acknowledge and thank ambassador for his vision, for his leadership, his generosity, for everything he does for the jewish people. we are honored and fortune to have a leader of such caliber. and i want to convey my deep appreciation for helping me launch my become. isaac is the best of israel. the carries he legendary hertzog name but is a selfless leader of israel. this book brings together the finest minds to voted to the israeli-palestinian conflict, and together we expose chapter by chapter how institutions,

including the united nations, the trade unions, news media, social media, the church, have been gradually appropriated and turned for destructive and illegitimate purposes. this book for the very first time explores full depth and brett of the latest faces in the conflict with israel, which seeks to do it through political means, what war and terror could not, which is to isolate and cripple the states until it can no longer defend its interests or people. the two and a half years i worked on this become the question i fielded more than any other was why? why with the demanding full-time job with two young children, why did you feel compelled to do this? and i suppose the perfectly obvious and legitimate question is seeking to answer i could think only of philipe. he crossed between the twin towers on a high wire 400-meters above the ground and when he

complete hid feat and was arrested, taken away in a place car, horde o journalists gather, each demanding to know why did you do this? and he answered, why? there is no why if suppose this is something he had to do. and for me this is something i had to do. as a jew, born in the receive yet union, having come from a place where are people were denied basic rights, suffered institutional racism and we suffered in silence, the jews of silence, i was born a block a. from the -- where i spend the first years of my life in kiev. took my first steps an that killing field, and now to live freely in the west, free to call out injustice, free to defend the basic right outfields our people, how can we not do this? so, what is the political war in israel? how is it waged, by whom ask and

to what end? i will explain this with reference to chapters, the first occur just across town from here on the 10th of november, 1975. the passage of the infamous zionism resolution, two years before the resolution sailor had been invaded only yom kippur, this you're we had the anniversary of the six day war as the battle in the middle east, but for the most part the six day war changed very little. the underlying condition of belligerence remain intact. shortly after the conclusion of the war the arabs rushed off to condemn the arab league and -- no peace no recognition no negotiations, maintaining the status quo. the more things changed in 1967 the more they remain the same, a

few year us later sailor was invaded again in 1973. the yom kippur war was a bruising, grindingen counter which brought home the taryn -- the terrible toll of war. israel did not fall or legal length wish territory. the less is that israel's victory in 1967 was not a mere aberration and what the arabs lost in 1967 could not be regained by force. this necessitated a rethink of the arar engagement and we have seen different reactions. one is the choice of egypt in 1978 and 199. stepping peace and recognition in exchange for the territories in 1967, formula known a land for peace, in u.n. security council resolution 242. jordan followed suit, extending peace and full diplomatic recognition in 1994.

for the palestinians, and their -- the loss in 1973 was a catastrophe and the path of peace and recognition was a monumental betrayal, and now facing the prospect of being relegated to a peripheral issue in regional affairs they set about trying to internationalize the conflict. after the yom kippur war the arab league was gathered against and the plo was recognized as a soul loge representative of the palestinian people. a few months later they were grandend odd server status ounited nations. this marked the entry of the palestinians on to the world stage but at the us a and as an increasingly effective and coherent political active agenda which was in government and civil society. what we the palestinians seeking? the war seeking a seat at the table to immediately strip

israel of theirs. arafat announced the world we have entered the world through its widest gate and now zionism will get out. short time after that we see the zionism is racism resolution which deems the national liberation of the jewish people to be a form of racism the u.s. representative to the u.n. decries this as an assault on liberal democratic values that had given the appearance of international legitimacy to antisemitism. the zion him is race presented the blueprint of the political war in israel that has been raged every sense. dennis ross, said of the palestinians recently that they're obsessed more than anything is in symbolic victories, rather than seeking to uplift their people or build institutions necessary for statehood, they obsess about getting their flag flown at the united nations. the day after the flag goes up, nothing change. i have sympathy for this

perspective but its not merely a symbolic victory. continues to affect people's lives. 18 months after it was passed, all british universities expelled the jewish societies on the basis they're zionists and therefore racist. the zionism is racism resolution did nottened with the general assembly and did not begin there either. first passed at an international women's conference in mexico, passed in unesco and the meet offering african nations and then when the matter came before the general assembly the tex of the resolution referred to the previous bodies that had already endorsed it, and be see key tactic of the anti-israel movement. relies on momentum. small, creeping, incremental steps that keep endless focus on the palestinian agenda and create endless opportunities to debate and demonize israel. the anti-israel movement took the next great leap forward in

202001 in the form of the durbin conference against racism in south africa. now if the sighinnism is racism show how the war 0 we teen to new york and the u.n. and then toe the camp us and news room and every forum that touches 0 line, durbin candidate identified the plan and presented a vision by which the loose international alliance of gropes all dedicated to senior's destruction for different reasons cooker be organized and sent out to co-opt the various organs of civil society to turn the war against israel into a global campaign. durbin was significant for demonstrating the immense power and influence of nongovernmental organizes like amnesty illinois u international, human rights watch and the extent to which their enorm his publicly funded budget have been harnessed by the anti-israel movement. they supposed the racist origins of the anti-israel movement which was evidence evidence from

the placards glorifying history hero. he see she legacies of zionism is racism when a pride march in chicago excludes jews as a form of white sprem simple witnessed it first hand when i took a contributor to this book to a lecture in sydney. the lecture was stormed by anti-israel activist waifs megaphones and shut the lecture down, accused the campus of supporting genocide. alan johnston suffered similar abuse in knowway and ireland. we see he legacy of the durbin conference in the sanctions movement bds, launched after durbin and rebrand in 2005 as the supposedly palestinian led civil society initiative in large part to sever the toxic association with the racism of the durbin conference of we see

he legacy of this when valencia council in space boycotts israel. over 50 councils in spade have adopted bds. we see the legacy of sis when norway's largest trade union, with over a million members, formally adopts bds policies and when the mennonite church votes to divest from israel and joinses the presbyterian quake whore have started to divest. this is the political war in israel and unlike conventional warfare it has no end, often rick to discern victory from defeat and takes place in the college that our children attend the news media we consumer, the political party wes choose to support and every form that touches our lives. my book does not tell a happy story. indeed israel is bleeding badly in many of the institutions that

it covers, but as golda meir said as jews we don't have the luxury of being pessimists and the jew wish people have built a state capable of securing itself militarily, can assert itself on the global stage and it is composed of organizations and leaders who understand the culture and plate dynamics of the countries in which we advocate and this why to relation shape between sailor and the diaspora is credit develop anti-israel movement knows this, which is why they focus on targeting the jewish youth, which is why they generally exaggerate the number of jews that support their extremeising a and why they true to sew discord in the sure wick world. disastrous would be to begin to withdraw from to the for william. it's rick to be in place where israel is maligned, jewish

activists are slandered and we hear real calls to withdraw from formal dialogues to sever ties with organizations, even to result with withdrawal from the u.n. this would be self-defeating. these organization wells retain their influence with or without us and without is any hope ofern larging larging the israel voice and presenting a dissenting opinion evaporate is. it is vital to increase inengagementment at all -- engagement at all levels, particularly with those organizations that decided to turn on israel. my friends, i thank you again for being here this evening and for helping me launch this book. it is my belief that the acceptance of the jew as equal will not me complete until the jewish state is treatedded a equal and it's hoe my book sheds a light on the unjust war in

israel and will go some small would to allow jewish people to live safely and securely in our own land. thank you. [applause] >> thank you your remarks. we hope that many people will read your book. we have a very special guest here tonight, and very honored that he is here to speak to us. it's the leader of the israeli opposition, a member of the knesset. a little bit about mr. hertzog's background. he family has a history in public service. on behalf of jewish people and the state of israel his father was the sixth president of israel, his grandfather, was the first chief rabbi and. mr. hertzog himself is an torn by profession, and he initially

serve as a government secretary, and then was elected the kin net set in 2003 and has been a member of the labor party and has been serving since, during this political career, he served in many roles, and multiple governments, such as minister of housing and construction, ven at minimum steur of tourism, later minister of welfare and social services and minister of the jewish diaspora. then again in his second term, minister of welfare and social services, multifacetted career. in the israeli political arena, in 2013 became elected leader of the lab you're party and as well leader of the opposition and he has been since. mr. hertzog is married and lives with her and their three kids in tel aviv. are in hertzog, we're very pleased to have you here. it's great honor and we're looking forward to hearing your remarks.

>> thank you, thank you. thank you everybody. first i'd like to say thanks to our host, the world jewish congress, ambassador, whom i greatly respect as one of the great jewish leaders of our times, and i want to thank the team of the world jewish congress so please, if you can thank you and express my gratitude to your leadership, and i'm very honored that the professor is with us. read the book, alex, it's an excellent book. is con sizes the exact picture of the battle ground we're talking about. there are some terms which you use which i will try to kind of fight you later on because you have to differentiate between objecting to the justice cause of the crags of the -- creation

of the state of israel and a legitimate political debate. you can have legitimate political arguments in the international community. that's more than a custom. we know that. but you cannot disagree with the mere existence of the state of the jewish people and what we have seen as a threat going throughout is a generation and there's a saying in jude judaism, every generation, every generation stands in this batfulground. so, first, let me start with how we can combat this. we can combat this first and for most by having a very strong jewish organized ever, and here i revert to winston churchill. in 1908 when churchill entered politics, in manchester, he had a jewish constituency, and he

writes in this memoirs, it's told he was extremely impressed by jewish corporate life. this actually intrigued him. how jewish society takes care of people's lives from childhood until death, and how the communities are organized and well well-organized. if you think about it correctly this is the role of the jewish people, to unite and work together and combat outside threats, and in fact this is an outside threat which is born a new suit or a new -- i would say, cover, when it comes to bds. in the '70s it was vieonism is racism. before that it was the fight against the creation of the state of israel. but all the same throughout history. so, first, let me say a word about the famous battle which you have seen here in the movie preceding our speeches.

my late father had an incredible career. he was born in ireland mitchell late grandfather was at that time chief rabbi of ireland, the irish free state and then became chief rabbi of palestine, my father was an -- in the '0s and then when to study law and n cambridge and ucl, and joint the british army when the war started. after the battle of britain. and he joined the army not knowing that through his concern term in the british army he would par tis put a in normandy in the battle on the rhine, in a releasing bergen or occupying bergen. finishing the war as a commander

in germany and one of the occupiers, and then going back to palestine and joining the army to be created, going all the way up to the rank of general in the israeli army, founder of israeli military intelligence all his life came through, all his experiences in that battle ground which we have seen at the u.n. plannery on the 10th of november 1975. the opening of this speech started by something which was told to my father by a famous jewish leader. the leader of the uja. a bergen survivor. remember my father is one to the first british officers to enter bergen, and he told my dad, you should remember, 10th november is -- that is how that part of

the speech started. the battle towards the speech lasted for over a decade. the arab states and the communism block and the palestinian national movement some tart started in the '60s decided the way to contain and undermine israel would be by terming zionism as racism because that has legal effect wherever it may be no non webster's dictionary but a everything to do with international conventions and laws within states. and it bore fruit in 197 5 two years after the yom kippur war. part of the onslaught of arab states in the communist block at the time. the ending of the speech, the tear ago the resolution, which had created through i would say waves of electrifying the

international discourse, came to my father as an experience of his late for, rabbi herzog, who in 1939 led a huge protest in jerusalem against what was termed then the white paper. these were ordinances and regulations of the british mandate, prohibiting jews from emigrating to their ancient home leanland, palestine. my grandfather stood in front of a crowd of thousands anders to up the white paper at that time. that was the two experience the clyde to the unique supreme which is terms by experts worldwide and in official books as one of the best speeches of the 20th century. the speech itself which i've passed on to sonya to send to you, is an incredible defense speech in behalf of the jewish people and what zionism is all

about and the unique nature of the state of israel. i would add and mention a few morelltives of my family in this con ticket. number one was my late uncle, dr. jacob. he was the director general of the prime minister's office put his claim to fame was in 1963, in a debate, public debate which he had called for as serving as ambassador of israel to canada, he read about a lecture of one of the leading historians of the time, professor arnold, who claimed that jude dismiss not only a -- judaism but israel is a racist state and my uncle invited him to an open debate and he agreed and the debate took place at mag gill university in montreal, canada. one of the young stupes at that

debate was a bunch of young jews who were influenced all their lives by that debate, and herzog basically crashed professor at that debate, debate which has been studied time and again, which at that time caught world renown and it's called the herzog debate. another milestone in the family history. and then another uncle of mind, who was a legend in and of himself, abba eban was the legendary foreign minister and presented a unique defense of the case for the state of israel at the u.n. in the '50s and '60s as well as in the debate leading to the u.n. resolution which i really the basis for any possible peace in the future.

now, that debate, when one learns it in depth, one understands that the brainwashing atmosphere of states, nations and leaders, as well as political clout and the arab states had with the oil and the boycott, could lead to dangerous developments them jewish world at the time was actually indifferent for a while. the preceding months before the debate, my father was begging the jewish community, at the jewish world to take action, and nothing happened. so much so that he created an uproar by being so critical of the indifference of jewish leadership, and the worldwide presence of the debate within the halls of power. in there, in enters the vote, the u.n. takes the resolution, and had the lanceslide majority

against it. zionism, and states which were supposed to be objective and friendly, voted against israel. one of them was a remarkable vote was mexico. nobody understood huh come mexico voted against zionism, and so other states. the ripple effect of that resolution was enormous. not only did it lit up the public awareness all over the world, front pages of all the newspapers and tv in the world, showed that debate and the tearing up of the resolution, and incredible speech of the then-ambassador of the united states at the u.n., daniel patrick moynihan. later senator moynihan from new york. great friend of israel and great friend of the jewish people, but also it had an effect through jewish communities around the world. an awakening.

until today i get letters from people who are coming of age, telling me how that speech influenced their life to get to know what israel is all about. and i'm saying it because the current debate on bds should have the same effect on the young jews all over the world, like it has on you, young jewish diplomats while taking taking ad assuming the role of your generation to fight for the justice -- the most just cause of the state of israel. now, what has transpired thereafter was an inner debate within a political body politics all over the world as to the attitude towards israel. in fact, one needs to mention and i tell is to alex, that following the fall of the iron curtain and the dissemination of

the communist bloc, the opportunity came forward with an undertaking of president george bush father. during his election campaign, no less, that if it comes and if it's possible he will lead a campaign to abolish that resolution in the united nations and in fact, together with israel and my father was then president of the state of israel -- the resolution was abolished in 1991. one of the only two resolutions of the u.n. every to be abolished, and i would say a tribute to president bush father, who came a year before to the u.n. general assembly, u.n. annual assembly and in his speech, demands that's u.n. form the united nations general asymsome blue abolish and cancel

that resolution in my late father's study, there is the original resolution as it was torn by him, as well as the resolution annulling the resolution, whereby ambassador to the united nations at that time, thomas pickering, was still with us in an active retired dim diplomat, rights to my late father, dear mr. president, this resolution i not for tearing up. now, however, from the each generation the new challenge comes up. there were a few years because of the oslo process because of the peace process, whereby to the those stepped were put aside, but antisemitism combined with anti-israelism has kind of bubbled underneath, and simmered from underneath and then exploded in the durbin

conference which was discussed by alex. alex's book desuspects clearly the battleground or today, which is somewhat different in terms of technicality. on the battleground that day in 1975. for example, social network. supposed to introduce democracy, free speech and an open, free debate, is also a platform for hate, fallshood and ignorance as my father mentioned in the speech. combined with racism and mere lack of under understanding of what interesting is about, not only the nation state of the jewish people but also a democratic, vibrant, open community, society and democracy, where everybody is equal. where you have an arab judge throwing the president of the state?

jail for his crimes, charged by the state, throwing the prime minister to jail, or the fact that you have the supreme organ of government being the israeli supreme court, which is one of the most liberal, far-reaching courts in the world. all the nation state whereby people seeking refuge from all over the world, including jews from the heart of africa, the only state which absorbed people from the heart of africa to give them a better life, openly, oar state which helps syrian refugees by the thousands who are fleeing through the border in term of the treatment in hospitals or helping them withfood and shelter in syria itself. by ndos while risking their lives omega state whereby within the parliament of the state of israel thing that are said there are not heard in any country in

the world, including in the middle of the battleground where arab members of the knesset say the harshest and most bitter things against the state of israel but free speech under the rule of the israeli constitution guess as far as one can imagine. or whether parliament that has muslim brotherhood representativeness the parliament, perhaps the only par him definitely in the middle east which enables muslim brothers to be part of the parliament, which causes the most complicated challenges for any democratic society in our country. or a country which debates on the purity of the weapon, meaning how do you treat the battleground with rules of law of international law, amidst the fact your family, your friends, all your own self is under life

risk, including the risk -- the recent case with the soldier, a 19-year-old soldier was killed, terrorist came forward to kill soldier biz knifing them. he killed him while he is lying on the ground, which is illegal. he is being indict for that. and he a huge national uproar has come about as a national debate which you wouldn't have seen in any other nation in the world, which faces terror and combat. so, the case for israel is so clear and so fair and the battle against it tries to undermine all these traits but simply categorizing israel as a racist state which does not want to get to a solution with the palestinians. now, the mere fact that professor court lean and i are here is an example of where the debate goes, because he comes from the center left his

country, canada, and i led the dissent on the left and i'm the leader of the opposition, leading the center left in israel in the israeli parliament, where we advocate staunchly over a two-state solution and for self-determination of the palestinian people. but not by way of terror. only by way of negotiations, bilateral negotiations, negotiations out of equal status of two national movements, clashing in the same land, and believing that there has to be a device of the land by way of the compromise of the two national movements, but not by way of delegitimizing the other moment, namely my movement, by falsehood, lies and ignorance, and definitely by racism. now, in conclusion, i would say that the only way to combat this

delegitimization, is by organized effort. i'm happy there is an organized effort which is also steered by the israeli government, but predominantly by major organizations worldwide who have come to understand that only by an organized effort, by telling the truth, by confronting the arrivals or the enemy with the weapon of saying the truth, of presenting the real case of israel, and explains the root causes of the conflict as well as the solutions to the conflict, can we win. it will never fade away, hatred against jews and israel will always be there, but i must say that geotragic develops which in the europe, middle east in light of the syrian tragedy, as well as the united states, including the surge in political upheaval

worldwide, actually balances the picture and puts israel in a better perspective which has to be, which can sever better in explaining our cause to the world so strategically the threat is there because young people all over the world are brainwashed and exposed to this lie especially on campus and especially in log of the map in speight of the fact that the story of the holocaust is farther away today from the young generation than it was 40 years ago when my father opened his speech on the holocaust, but nonetheless i think the story of israel can be told and explained in the focused way with the opening of what antisemitism is all about. the source of israel, the greatness of this nation, our nation, and i'm sure that you guys can do that yours in the best way.

wish you the best of luck. you are our commanders on the ground and you are our representatives wherever you can. good luck to you, and we are here to work together in telling the true story, fighting the lies and overcoming the challenge. thank you very much. [applause] >> i'd be happy to answer questions. >> you can open the floor for questions. >> so, thank you for your inspiring words and for moat v-8 to us continue with ourerts. i understand, alex, you want to add a couple of remarks. >> no. >> okay. >> i think it's easier if you ask the question by yourself and just direct them here, sorry. >> please, our friend lawyer. >> alex, you mentioned staying

in organizations that have -- [inaudible question] win those organizations who is the audience besides bds and who is not worth talking to and what are the argumented that are helpful? don't actually veatch what was these people and what language kneed to be used. they speak a language that is very different from the one year used to. >> first thursday, in term's groups you you route as being too far gone and deem these enemies and don't want to change their opinion, would be reluctant to depict groups, no ma matter hour bleak -- >> -- [inaudible question] >> the anti-israel movement agitating against israel,

there's no point, but a i want to say is that sometimes you will see people, you well be aware of public statements they've meat in the past and deem them hostile. you direct the bad and impossible to change their opinions. i've sat across from people who made public endorsements of bds you can shift their position. i would say be lee luck can to -- bee aware or saying they can't be change but don't try to coerce the people who are agitating against israel. they're your enemy ins fight. it's the middle you're trying to secure the vast majority of people university students, synagogues can trade unions, they're ambivalent on the conflict, little knowledge on the conflict. so if one skilled activist can get up with credibility and make a booming speech about israel

apartheid and evil, they hold sway and only takes one or two people on the into side to present the dissending view to muddy the waters, i've seen this in my work always engage. sometime you won't win but if will drawl, or rule out formed saying they're too hostile or too difficult, you lose immediately. >> yes, our friend from us a beck stan. >> i actually harding so, thank you for being here, i think both of you can answer this question. alex you mentioned ambivalence on the part of the majority of student bodies and universities, and i've heard that before if guess the question is, should we change the conversation in this -- for this particular crowd and not focus on rejecting the extremism but more focusing on israel's power and their democracy or their technological

power or their contributions to the world? should we change the conversation and lead the majority of the student body in that direction and just say, we don't want to talk to the extremes side of the university but maybe we want to focus on israel's greatness. >> i'll say, look, first of all, it's not -- one has to say frankly, no nation is perfect. okay? i would say, yes, we are willing to hear criticism. there are mistakes that are done. every government, every nation, makes mistakes. so israel can make mistakes. this doesn't go to delegitimizing the right of its existence.

when you face a group that wants to -- that attacks you and says your race is -- they view the palestinians as underdogs. they're the underdog, and they are the weaker part, and because they are the weaker part you have to answer the question by saying, yes, we are -- israel in per se, 80% of the nation is willing to settle for passion in the national con flick. however, preserving our security, our defense, and the understanding we faced suicide bombings, face kids butchering kids, we faced kids simply slaughter other people, innocent people, and we have to defend them, and there are ways how to employ your right of self-defense. secondly, we are willing -- for example, an issue that comes up a lot is the settlement issue. the settlements are an issue in debate within israeli democracy

but they're -- when israel went for peace, it approved settlements in sinai and then gaza so knows how to do it. moreover, the con fewers of the solution, which are nope to all, speak about three major israeli settlement blocs which are four percent thief land in dispute and are going to be swapped with other land which israel will give so there is a solution. all you need is come to the table and negotiate peace. rather than saying, don't have a right to exist, i don't have a right to my national movement, that we are appar tied states. that's battle ground lope any. we're not apartheid states, we have a majority and minority, always rick for the minorities to break the glass ceilings, but, yes, i heard deputy president 0 the supreme court

justice jobran, an arar job, retirement in a rookable speech.what it is like to be an arab junior in -- judge in a jewish state, and a woman judge ordered to close one of the biggest industries in israel on an environmental issue. so, there are -- it's an everychanging society, and rather than blaming that society endlessly for things you don't know, come and study and learn. this movements are sometimes -- most of the times our brand want s with their own narrative but when people come and learn and listen, including leaders of the churches -- met many of the leaders the presbyterian church and many others. now they see things in proportion when they see what is hang in the region. what happens to christians in

gaza, or the situation of christians in egypt, and definitely what is happening in other countries. iraq, and so forth. and i think then people get to understand that we are faced with -- we are confronted with radical islam. we, meaning the coalition of nations, the jewish nation, christian nation, and moderate muslim nations, who surround us and are willing to come to terms with us, as opposed to a 1975 or. today these moderate nations are yearning to be part of a coalition with us if we move on the peace process. so, even they themselves are with their retro -- much more cash as what they say get right of israel to exist. this is the new circumstances of the situation, except the bds movement, i learned, is fact

yesterday. please. >> thank you for coming. i have a question about the -- i talk about negotiations and, for example, had -- [inaudible question] how is it that can make adequate -- concession when the rules the palestinian people. [inaudible question] how can israel be secure in the peace agreement when the know in the representatives -- particularly nose in gaza will not die by it. >> it's a very strong case. the international nations the two-state solution.

you cannot have a two-state solution with two palestine yap ans states only one palestinian state are in one rule with one vote and, and one pep. and the issue of gaza is a very strong issue to mention. i say you can't have two palestinian states and you can't speak about three-state solution. it's two-state solution. gaza is the most complex issue to resolve in order to move to the process. jerusalem per se i would say the most complicated of all, but in terms of entering into the process, and i've been asking palestinian leader, including abbas himself, gaza has to be part of the equation and if you expect israel to move forward for peace, you have to give us a solution about gaza. palestinians say gaza will come

on bard as part of the process. fine. let's see. what we see and hear, a you mentioned creque correctly, is ham mass refusing to recognize israel but also speaking about the annihilation of israel. they want to cover us from north, from hezbollah, south from hamas, and that's why the moderate coalition of nations is the answer to islamic extremism and is an opportunity to be exploited. please. >> i have a question. do you -- for either/or boston you do. you think if the united states moves their embassy in jumpum that other countries will follow and will that help counter the dignity of the nation of israel? >> can the israely -- forward

we'll load love to have he american embassy in jerusalem and want more and more embassies recognizing the israeli eternal capital of jump jerusalem. it's knost prioritized item. it's important but there are issues of high are priority. we have had political sensitivity which is clear to all. >> i would like to ask a little shift from this -- more to the jewish side. on campused around the area the past year, and file like the young jewish generation have separated itself from the idea of zionism, and from the state of israel in general. the problem right now is the bds

in general is that we cannot reach this generation and those are the people who are -- [inaudible question] what you think of the consequence of us losing half a generation or israeli in the -- anti-israel movement and teachers and so forth. >> alex. >> in sort it would be catastrophic, and if you've got a situation where all these forms we're talking about, the university campus, all the people attending there know israel is a pariah and is a --

we'll see the consequences when they take on leadership positions in government and the corporations. so, in short, it's disastrous. in terms of how to counter it, wonder how well even jewish activists present the story of israel, and my learned friend mere before said it's not necessary to refuse every accusation against israel or to defend it staunchly against every accusation. no country is perfect. but the basic story of israel is a truly extraordinary one, about people exiled by great empires thousands of years ago, who retained a system sense of peoplehood. despite forced conversions convd executions. it's an incredible story and i wonder if firstly the jewish students new better and then portrayed it to others, whether there would be different attitudes developing. the whole trajectory is very

damaging and as i said in a generation's time, when those people take on leadership positions, we'll see the consequences of it. >> i would say the following. first, it's a phenomena which is known, okay? but that phenomena is not knew in this generation. there were many generations where there were many jewish youngsters who actually turned their back towards the zionist cause. secondly, i think that the way to deal with it is by clues inclusivivity, namely to enable dissenting voices to be part of the debate within the jewish community. for example, j street. i think j street is a very important tool in bringing youngster interests a forum whereby an ability to teach and

understand and explain the debate which goes on within israel and invite people to take part and also get to know israel in its better form her to truth about israel, rather than shunning them out to the kind of extreme polar of the debate and saying, you know, we are turning off against israel. i want you to know more and if you feel at ease with the more liberal form, so be it, and i think part of the other responsibility of a force that leads the debate on behalf of the jewish people is to enable the voices to be heard and discuss and say, yes, we have an internal debate. we're saying hold those thing one the debate in knesset, and saying the most extreme things to our government and vice vice versa. so that's the beauty of

democracy, like mere in the united states this die debate goes way beyond what you hear in israel but that's part of introducing the debate and i agree with your fear there are many jewish voices in the young generation who are extremely disturbing. please. i'll take one last question. because of time constraints. please. >> i think that one of the most interesting developments in the last 40 or 60 years, especially since -- the perception of israel abroad has become a less right issue, which 50 years it was the left, liberals that support and today people on the left are protecting people who are -- [inaudible question] -- in israel you can criticize the government but abroad, it makes you less --

[inaudible question] -- i'd like to --... it was a battle against inner people. some people abroad, it was a human tragedy. how do you bridge and explain

and when you tell people from a that we are in shelters they tell you you're lucky that you shelter. there is a lot of democracy, a lot of unfair judgment and terrible judgmental approach to israeli in many quarters around the world. predominantly it is in europe but it is slipping into the united states. you have to understand that you can't win all of the battles. you can try to get to the center of opinion making and explaining the battles and explain your case better but you were right that it's become a division between left and right. the mere notion that the democrats are more opposed to israel because in their party convention there was a debate about certain is wrong and it's

deathly wrong in the labour party in britain there are hundreds of members of israel and same goes for germany. i find myself as being leader of labor or the one of the leaders of labor them as such. meeting my sister parties all over the world, explaining to them and telling them that their young generation is simply brainwashed. unions for example as mentioned in the chapter in this book and the unions are our counterparts and in my party the unions are big. for example, there always big supporters of israel but there's a big part of the democratic party in the united states. they were led by jews and others for generations and part of --

this is closest to show that how great the union world and israel is and what an influence they are on our life. it requires a lot of nurturing and explaining that you can be like me and the leader of the left in fights for the just cause in the state of israel. it's simply wrong and distorted that the voices of the left who are big supporters of israel at the time and the reason was, at the time, they saw the role model which has soured for them. now, the souring issue is something that we can do in israel whether we oppose legislative steps taken by the right-wing government for things that are said. but they are set here in the united states as well. the same debate on how

government fights for the press is also in israel, as well as in the united states. there is no difference -- it's a debate which has nothing to do with the mere right of the israel to exist as the safe haven of the jewish people. this is what needs to be explained. thank you all very, very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> that was an exemplary representation. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> when my late grandfather came

to the white house to meet president truman, he gave him a bible scroll. truman took it and said i always wanted one of these. thank you all very much. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] tv is on twitter and facebook. we want to hear from you. ps or post a comment on her the

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