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you don't know now they are busboys employ its books no longer politics & prose prose, have a lineup of put the events if you check us out you can see that. >> several of you have passed the about the book the author will be signing the book that is at the bookstore now we will pass the event over to our facilitator. [applause] just a little bit about myself i am a social

professor arrows a program called visual communication but the reason i bring that up with a minor in hip-hop studies we were fortunate to have paul as a guest so i am honored to be here this is a wonderful book again thanks for coming out so as a? introduction paul porter will let him give you his bio but also to introduce professor from morgan state university as well. [applause] >> greetings. i am so glad you're here for those gentleman have the most respect but i respect

them and he is my militants died that tunes me in all the time but this is special because of what i see tonight is special due to this book that was a dream at one time i did sign the deal with harpercollins that i thought was a great book and the problem with the book that was telling the truth and harpercollins at the time on the part of a bmg records it was against

those that i knew so now the book was dropped and i thought consolidation happens everywhere. but you find out with time everything gets better. it may take a little while so she said she would help me do the new book because the title "blackout" don't let that scare you. the definition in that caught me was temporary loss of consciousness and i think

we're all guilty. sometimes situations as happened in over time we get desensitized or lazy and the best thing about the book is i admit my fault because nobody is perfect even close. i have been blessed to work with some great people and have some good times and bad times but orvieto bad about cathy hughes or so and so but they can change also soulfully this evening we can talk about different things in the book these

gentlemen will lead us through a so i don't get long winded in my deejay voice so let's get the ball rolling so thanks for making this happen and those also from booktv. >> i wanted to start this i kept a tight being "blackout" and kept coming up with the nfl. [laughter] so i call myself the cousin of go-go era of hip-hop so the of book sparked a lot of things so one thing i knew about the music industry but

i did not know when to you put it in the book and those that from recovery of legal and then wakes up. so i see a similar thing it is called the death the of radio but it seemed like radio died. so with has been about 20 years since i have listened to the radio. i too darn just to enjoy it. so i want to read a couple clauses. with overpaid and those shock jocks and aaron patterson of chicago. incarcerated 17 years for

those murders he maintained he did not commit. and then trying to get the story of to the media. so he was disgusted by what he heard of the radio. and was in solitary confinement most of the time did not kong into contact those young people coming off the street and cannot believe what they could say of the radio. and he wanted to make it so how anybody could understand. i don't understand he said. why are they playing this on the radio? is points and. when did radio die? and to

whose benefit detriment?. >> so now i will pick up. >> first of 8q4 right seeing the book this is an important event because this is for those who study about the reality is how to address or explain because it is just that good with no politics behind that. so the book is very important not only for those to in erupt in this area

your book is chock full of detail that is exciting to read. it is great for introducing people to a system that many of us are not familiar with. so the shortest the answer to your question i'm not aware when radio was alive. because the relationship to all institutions is hostile. when it is almost once we get involved there is a moment of progress with politics or media than that retrenchment and response. a moment where black radio becomes a moment in terms of

politics or cultural expression and then the system reorganizes its self so live say bad death of radio is held in the context that it has never been that good. [laughter] >> added say great point you bring up hooking up with eric patterson through my non-profit and she told me his story that was just pardon by the governor of chicago. he did oprah in tune pickup in manhattan native to be rolled around and was in

shock. the things that he heard blended into my world. lead with a source of power with a whole different five. so now he called me collect he is back in prison. but that is another story. >>. >> but black radio is a myth with is not black radio anymore there are radio stations that cater to black listeners the don't cater to information or anything positive in with that back-to-school gm.

and there was a few. i am talking about commercial radio outlets there is a big difference. and patterson taught me a lot with the music. i was working on a kiss is a new york we got into this debate and i said he is the boss put him in the air if he did so everything is about keeping a job it isn't about being conscious and as we get higher on the totem pole, i know people that i've loved to death from

resettlement -- regional minister to vice president but i am glad you brought him up because that was a piece of the book to me. >> so take that whole shock jock system you spend a lot of time and i never understood that concept so could you quickly elaborate? as this relates to black radio or radio in general?. >> look, everybody always asks that question does capitalism exist in america? yes. is there reason why you hear the same songs all over the country at the same time

24/7? is monday. payola. pay for play is how the world moves. it is different from those early days to give cockade in drugs and a couple hundred dollars. and now they display a direct cause said into your l elsie. that is why i started off the book with karen klein. she was the name that goes to programmers every saturday with cash in the envelope. and i had no idea. and then with 23 and in bills in the namesake of

karen klein i never knew her but i got a call of monday i did not put this brothers name of the book because he would shoot me tomorrow and i am old produce six but 6 inches 290 pounds and he told me i did nine years in prison so i keep real tight about my people. so welcome to bt and i was shocked. so that is not illegal it is just to announce a. so to have the radio station announced so that is pale

love but what they don't tell you about the songs that you hear with every rotation every 70 minutes. >> we have:cater and 20 grand to play the song. [laughter] so i have been on panels with sec commissioners to document the tail going from lyricist so when hip-hop said so much for so long so that is the reason day are.

with the streaming and spotify. >> that is what i want to raise with you. so in a share this history they say that is different now we have pandora or spotify we can hear whenever we want. we have youtube success seems similar. >> that is a play last -- playlist that is the hottest but labels by positions like everything else. a the record business that they failed my net of 10 times. all of those great artists are promoted on their own. they don't want to try that

out but if they do they get burned. >> i will not impose my own analysis argue but so one of the things that comes up there is the idea with black people in high places or executives or performers in and barack obamacare there is the assumption a big your critiques beyond the of personal saving what institutions imposed on individuals. what would you say your book says about the idea or the existence of leadership?.

>> i thought that was the answer and i know that it helps to have different people of color and situations when it comes to producers in picking news stories but it has not changed much. and no radio is in great company and made money but now it is to save corporate game as anybody else. at least bob johnson was honest. >> maybe you want to share more about the book. [laughter] but he just told us if he had to make money in advance he was in the wrong place. because he was honest.

>> he said bt is not for black people but for me and my family but it seems like they were trying to create something. >> that is how he thought of it and sometimes we are caught up thinking somebody is black and will do something for all black people. so that is not the way for everybody. i don't have any beef with bob johnson or cathy hughes. i just told my story and i pray and hope that they change because there is enough for everybody. you worked there for years and years i think it could be more but i mentioned in

the of book part-timers were paid part time in 1988. i had a terrible payroll system i would always double the pay the has that magic of that four hour shift paid $40. where do you want to work? [laughter] n day play the same games. but that's scary thing is 29 years later some people are still scared -- are still pay $10 an hour to beyond air. dead serious. not trying to change

people's champions or food is named after somebody. [laughter] that is cool but does know that if that came off the back of somebody else. that's all i'm saying. i love you misused. [laughter] >> you talk a lot about the fcc and then things start to change invalidated not allow with decency. >> the paris television council is probably the largest watched our organization that is useless in terms of enforcement. there is no level of care.

the fcc is like the rest of the government trying to make money to do a thing as with the enforcement. you can listen to a river of the radio but unless a petition comes from parents with 200,000 signatures, so you could be here all day and it is up to the communities to push the button that is the hardest thing. talking about radio and to have radio stations of all formats to say we would your kids listening to this with

140 markets it you know, what is happening with your kids. that is why you think radio doesn't work for you but it still controls things it is just that day split us up. to survey younger audience. or some of those older groups. >> that does a service to a lot of the younger people for those who are just now enjoying that struggle removing a the battle of net neutrality and withy sec to manage those airways and

like a bat incestuous relationship in the private sector it is hard to imagine anybody to work for when they go in and regulate that negative and particularly the black people. so those examples of the fcc and its relationship to producing and popularizing and in that they can pick up from into that contemporary moment. >>.

>> digest have a question in here for clarification talking about eric patterson in having a discussion i failed to mention sway. he is my boy. live to cover from california the like i talk about my weaknesses. dc in the 80's that was telling the story earlier off the arab -- off the air and i am proud to tell this story because i bounceback.

i had a drug dealer at his apartment one day and i walked in and who do i see? marion barry n. kennedy, jr. all on the couch together. i was not high. [laughter] i also know that you have the double look. end 30 minutes later but i have no problem talking about weaknesses. >> a lot of people don't come off looking good in your book but the way i interpret is that all of us

are fallible so the al whole idea because i use the argument we cannot keep arguing for individual self-help solutions. so of course, everybody is encouraged to behave. to promote that negative version of our culture. i am not going to give you false praise but a very real story or personal experience. tilling courage this pattern of behavior.

>> it is funny because i was forced into it. i was mad and i decided to talk out. i got the boot that you lost everything. i was living in my car. and sometimes you don't see clearly but i had nothing. so i got to see everything clearly pro i was tired of it. but now fast forward many years later the radio station is in orlando. [applause]

it may only go 25 miles radius but guess what? everything that i knew was on their in negative a new what messages we are going to do. we had a mentor share program and orlando when me and my partner it is always that neighborhood that comes on the news at eleven. so every day you hear about shootings. so within the first 45 days there are 13 homicides and a 3-mile radius of our studios. i was like this is unbelievable.

we took kids off the street we're not making money yet but but it is fun in the station is growing. that i can blow urban abc radio. so he was playing boogie knights. end on radio their arsenals that you research with

popularity and recognition for go so those that run those radio stations in certain markets. like bills also wish you never want to hear again. a couple of people want to hear but the majority but there is no feeling in a radio anymore. but i had a fit. but that is the passion in the old days. in kent to put these together.

and some of those messages that i hear today day in and day out are selfish. to said haven't listened to the radio and a long time. so if you say you don't care but did is for me. it is funny i have done every historically black college to work and i love my hbcu and the guy from harvard called me after reading the book.

so i am getting paid but there goes the sucker in you. >> did using my own system of checks and balances although i will cash that check but also talking to harvard students but also in the classroom somewhere. so now we will keep this moving. >>.

>> can you hold the microphone?. >> hello. i follow him the boogie knights was the first night -- the sound you this into. that is why he played it. but i am a big music lover.

in think full when i get to hear people in the community it want to know how you feel about. >> so really think that is solid in the community. so lazier tom joyner in those markets so i hate steve harvey but there is a

reason why black radio in the most syndicated format but then you hear the same voices in the same market. so there is the reason why they cut away those voices because guess what? i have been on one zillion shows because they will not touch a. so part that we want to make sure this is clarified but the relationship between a the community through popular music and a lot of

resist the idea for people in general so could you address that and with what has happened to black radio was specifically are you saying? the media in general. i have had a long discussion when you talk about a struggle and reverend sharpton one of the biggest theaters or voices in this country was a difference of

him and 50 years ago? he is on network tv making the network salary. and then to have a television show. so i always think a little harder on that. the reverend does good work sometimes. but if you see me of a sudden in uh television show that might change. [laughter] and might decide to do that right.

>> sunday morning 8:00. >> so the next question so that the affair said it is unjust radio is talk. so music in general singing a lullaby to a child someplace. so my question is there are no kids in the room right now but those in the '80s were old enough to listen to radio. may be the beginning of the

'90s but and we used to be regulated in a way that people could affect them. so we cannot even affect an election. so how do they learn to listen? so they stay woke instead of a sleeper and how they affect the political process? in there are politicians and people would show what the back in the day.

so how does that reached down? you still haven't. they will not necessarily listen to somebody older or their robin dad so how is that?. >> we did lose a student killed by a white supremacist. so i use hip-hop in our studies but we went to baltimore so when i said i created a minor hip hop

study it was an uphill battle. but when restarted researching and. teaching at howard university as well. we have to be willing to ruth bader souls in a place whether gospel or jazz but we look to see how was disconnected socially or politically? i talked as a couple of semesters ago. the using hip-hop as a vehicle will open up a lot of doors to politics and anthropology so we try to

deal with these things in the university but we have to go to baltimore. >> have to remember that i made this point earlier but sees bin itself was created because he was frustrated with the lack of coverage of commercial media he said we need immediate general -- eight mediative all with the entire context as opposed to a sound bite. so that relationship with black people and media is cost aisle. and that was created

specifically to transfer those public airwaves. and to allow those entities to dominate in commercial media. the media system that ends up of the high style relationship that well-meaning individuals will be institutionally targeted against their own people. paso my own children are dragged away from me on a daily basis. but with a more radical and hoss style critique of commercial media. that doesn't exist only to create these problems.

[applause] , that is why i wrote this book and i am not a big reader myself to make a book that everybody could read it and enjoy a and tell stories but books are not in any more. so i could tell who is buying the book or who is passing on the book to kids isn't many. not just black people that white people everybody wants a residual in 60 seconds and

then in the industry science and artist onto instagram, you can see how low the standards have been. so i hope we start doing some work we always want somebody to lead the charge. it is great when people come to help you and i get excited when people do something for me because i have done so much as one author doesn't know me from adam to help meet to have marketing tools to know everybody on planet earth

but that doesn't happen. i love people. and then be scared to speak up. >> so to talk about young people. >> i mentioned you earlier. >> so talking about young people when he was in maryland but that was a good

social experiment asking these people to listen to the lyrics. we have to agree with what the sec says about indecency with a sexually explicit content coming after 6:00 a.m. and 2:00 p.m. -- 10:00 p.m. so the sec said we have to listen to it and interpret it themselves and follow-up with complaints and then one year later they worked it out. but one of the things i would love for you to say we

would say we just listen to the beat. >> i am glad you're here so i have learned a tremendous amount because those who study this three traditional academic so they constantly come up short. and it could be instrumental. so i remember that very well. so i was shocked with that context of the institution and then all so shocked to learn with the of follow-up

have little was done reporting to you the fcc so there is a lot more that has to happen this is the institution to a this nonsense so i hope i have done day good enough job to learning how this works. >> so social media knows that it is really scary house of the on social media , how many post have you seen boycott the nfl? don't get me wrong. people support certain things but to miss out on

those long things but it is a temporary loss of consciousness that we all fall victim to. >> i think everybody is aware and 20 minutes ago a looks like it was proven seeking data from the anti-trump website. and how they would respond to that?.

>> do not get me started on trump tonight. i don't care to be quite honest. there is the stage of fascism saw as having this conversation with the study of of not to germany and i just remember there was one message so it is fascism. so i don't have any issue with at. but i am not fearful because

we definitely see that now. so i could challenge to but so we witnessed this a couple of weeks ago. so for us to be fearless of the of global majority but i don't have any fear. >> is a world of no fear for me but when it was mentioned is the of favor part where i had my epiphany working it new york volunteervolunteer ing at an elementary school a young 12 year-old came up

to me. in she said can you get this record off the radio? in with that title i said that i knew it was not right in the chorus was you have to be the bitch with a bat she said my mother got beat up by my father with a bat. in the kids make fun of me every time i hear the record i thought of this show lady is so alert in telling me to make a difference in her life then i have to do something about it. but it puts an action on the

discussion and that is what facebook does. it lets you talk about it but sometimes it drills into you. so that was a big thing for me. >> are giving in her battles -- arguing to attract in july davis. >> but this is what i talk about in the book. david banner was won by a -- one guy but a great voice.

that is all. >> i want to know, i have one question that if it is outdated is is still relevant? i came from that tidewater area with a reggae and makes tapes -- make states it is just a different world right now. we talk about the generation and that maybe is not here

so how relevant is radio right now? . .

they don't listen to radio. that's what they tell me. this is everything for them. i'm not saying it's not relevant most of my students they are creating their own playlist. it's itunes or what have you. >> i hear that, and there playlist is still the same playlist so i know it sounds cool to see say you don't listen but when your 9-year-old says that future the mimosa wrapper did he just happened to get it. a lot of these things are on video games and they hear them in rotation there. that is the new place now.

if the monitor what kids are listening to even when it comes to a game now. the lyrics individuals teach you to shoot kill and rapid fashion. the music it's pumped in is pumped in there. it's great that you mentioned that there is a new a form. the game remains the same. >> i think that is the power of of media literacy. with the industry is. just to get them to be able to critique. so much media it's overwhelming. garbage, good too great. at the same time they have to have to have a language and be able to break this down critically. i think that's why we do this. looking at tools that they can

use to understand the industry versus the art. we get into this conversation often especially with hip-hop. it is the industry itself. this having these kinds of conversations and courses that we have are a few small steps we can take to empower our young people and be able to break down a lot of this media they are being overwhelmed with. i would like to call him dr.. i knew him before he was a dr.. i still in pain for the degree so i appreciate the mention of it. >> my final thoughts would be by paul's book. even if i was not a friend. it is that good. if i was not in agreement with the book. i would have found a polite way to not be appear with

you. i think that i would just add this. we do need to look at the relationship between power, population in popular media. and all that is popular i argue is fraudulent. nothing that we see is an honest representation of what it claims to be. i would say peace to you if you are willing to fight for it. inks for coming everybody. i appreciate it. >> can you speak up a little bit. i question on ownership. do you think the media outlets and streaming services do you think doing that will

influence the images and if not what solutions you have. >> i think it's always an answer but until there is a balance in the consistency. i'm all for changing faces. if you want to do the same thing that everyone else is doing and do it in blackface what's the difference. i am hoping for it. that's why i got my own. i can set my own standard now. the best thing about my radio station the wire, down in orlando is when i get the stats in the market the hip-hop stations with i heart and cox they average 25 minutes the average listener my station is 55 minutes.

but i don't have 200,000 watts so i can't reach as far but i know my product is better and is a product they tell me that won't work. >> so are we looking at a paradox here. we are trying to censor what our younger young people are listening to. >> really quick. it is the opposite of censorship. they are only getting a steady diet of hate. they're not getting balance. >> that is the paradox rate. we want to feed and what we want and take out what we don't want. when you go down that route

it's kind of a slippery slope everybody in this conversation. when you go down that route it's kind of a slippery slope. i don't disagree that we need to pull back on some of the negative violent, misogynist text messages that are constantly being out there to our people those who would censor us whatever message that is that we are trying to get out. how do we do in such a way that we can do and accomplish what were trying to accomplish. the reason why i got passionate with you is because i've heard this claim and i'm not saying from you but all the time that you want to censor people by allowing real stories to be told.

so when i hear things like that or just never get a record played ever in their careers and the uplift that. i just loved. put in heavy rotation because it was that good. call folks around and get back to your point it's just about telling our stories. and they all don't have to be great stories were uplifting but there was a time where we got a balance of love, in the stories of music. the first time i remember hearing that gil scott in the bottle years ago. it was musical when i listen to the words i thought of my drunk uncle. i'm not saying every story

that we store tell have to be uplifting but i'm worried that it's the exact opposite that these corporations that control the playlist i know who makes up the playlist. it's jay stevens. nothing about the community that he serves. he is a right guy. --dash mike white guy. that's the same. i don't get a chance to program a country station. it will never happen. let alone program a chain of 50 stations across the country. and this will never happen. so things change.

he got a look at that and why it's not that passionate. when jeff told me the story of going to jimmy i bean's house. he was the guy from interscope. they were outside riding horses in the back. never listen to the music of death row and all of the people they lived in a completely different world. that's the issue. so when i hear i'm in love with the cocoa bringing that back. i used to go by crack on jamaica boulevard in queens. that is real for me. you think it's okay in my neighborhood. the guy who's hustling like that is okay. it and does it happen in other

formats. you can win. there is enough music out there to play that you don't have to get poisoned 247. they've really bad years. in music is about years. when young and cheesy was on his label. i'm in sell drugs and no cop can stop me. as soon as he said that. even in a non- revolutionary sense that was censored. is not linguistic. i was in r&b editor.

two live crew became prominent. i grew up loving hip-hop and radio. and hanging onto the words of every dj. i get to billboard in this excitement to be in the industry my illusions are smashed. i'm finding out how the radio industry really works. and how some of the industry is still misogynist. the hip-hop artist that i come to interview.

and then i ended up at r&b air plate monitor airplay monitor which was specifically about the radio industry and we had charts and i thought they had value. there is a whole game a promotion that paul really talks about and that's why i really appreciate his books because he kind of talks about walking through that wonderland if you will and deciding how do i survive in this place an industry that i want to be in and not compromise myself. and sometimes you don't make the right decisions. all of that being said now that we have all these different media outlets would you still advise somebody to go into a career in radio. thank you for that. i would recommend them to do that if they want to eat.

your comment on that bubble being blown is funny. i have a lot of good friends in the industry over the years. and there is a buddy of mine that works in the hot 97. and for 40 years i've been telling him how dirty the industry was. and how different they listen to research. i love him. he read the book on easter detected other people. there is a lot of industry books but they're always there always from some star point of view.

i'm not getting rich. my house is paid for. i can of ford to live in florida if i need to eat that in my property. i have to call up anybody for a job. i might not be able to help you out if you need some money. but i could be me. and that's why i wanted to put it in the book because nobody can tell me it's not true. and if you don't know you should. and that's the thing. this industry is so glossed up. we always talk about jay-z and bay but we don't talk about

the artist that are talented, pure that touch your heart and soul lisa used to always go he speaks to me. and that is the feeling is gone. and that's what i thought music was supposed to be about. we have kind of have this conversation and let us think a little bit more to reach out to talk -- in touch folks. as can be about talking. then we have to wrap up. i'm going to address what you last said. everything in that we have learned has been indoctrinated through slavery.

everything else in that sense. it's not about censorship. begin taken away from this corn and healthy food. the second part in 1983. i was sitting down. on the dj red alert master mix. the rock box came on. if you ever heard how it came in because you are fresh it's

giving you this new fresh sound is actually giving you positivity. a vibrant and vitality they have not even heard before. if i'm not mistaken i just read an article hip-hop is the number one medium in the world. it has surpassed rock 'n roll. i have to go back to the slavery to the bible and the sea all of that. now they have utilized the tools that we have created to free ourselves to become another piece of systemic slavery. the psychology of the situation. now not is what being presented to you. you had poison presented to you and you said that's hot don't touch it but you still might touch it anyway.

that comes from your village in your parents. it's not about what we are being censored from but more so what we are giving and what we are willing to take in that sense. instead of saint i want fresh food i want new music. and that has plenty of stuff like that. being a radio station dj. i just asked him two days ago. i still want to do that. it was him and his guidance is 13 years old checking them out. having a career at a radio station and my own school virginia state university. i was told i was only supposed to play contemporary jazz. that's not jazz. but something else.

gets my point. so in that point i said you know what guys i'm in a do for us the listeners and the audience. i put on inchworm. i immediately got a red buzzer on my phone. i said to myself i know who that is. it's my program director saint you know what you're in trouble because i told you not to play that. i'm plain anyway because that's the way of the world. that's what makes you want it. they tell you what you want to hear. >> think you tony. i think going back to the brothers point in the back. i think it comes down to balance. in terms of if it's me. i must filmmaker. we were having the same

conversation we were having tonight about the media and television and our images as people. it comes down to balance. whether it be music or the media whiffed in power in people to be able to tell their own story. it's a story. we go back thousands of years beyond slavery i think coming back to being able to be storytellers having our young people look at that balance. grandma can make your home cooked meal but which one will taste better. i think it goes back to having about balance of images. and that media literacy for our young people as well. and that media literacy for our young people as well. i gave my final thoughts. i think you and think everybody again. >> i would just like to think everybody for coming out.

i think over the years it has been a long ride in the beauty about putting out this book i got to tell a story a story that i think was important in my life and hopefully would touch some other lives. there's a lot of beautiful people in this room. a lot that i've known a long time a lot that mean so much. that is one that's really important. if you are thinking about giving a gift i say give it black a blackout the book this christmas. i would like to thank the funny thing is she grew up right behind my house on the same block is just funny how this time some things don't

change. and real people a special and they always come through. i appreciate you guys coming out and guess what i'm not with a major publisher i myself. and everybody that has come through i say tell a friend to tell a friend about blackout. thank you. [applause]. i also want to say that books are available for sale at the bookstore paul will be here to sign books into talk further and said thank you all for coming out on behalf of that prince george arts and humanity center. thank you so much. thank you c-span.

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how the largest tech companies influence consumers. the chronicles of the expansion of power in the executive branch. and why he thinks that it makes the job more difficult in the impossible presidency. in the far weight brothers. they follow the journeys in their efforts to become american citizens. laura spinney sheds light on the impact of the 19th century spanish flu. they detail the battle against the education system in her memoir. the education of ava matzoh wits. watch for many of the authors in the near future on c-span two.

hillary clinton's new book what happened about the 2016 presidential election will be released this tuesday she appeared this morning on cbs sunday morning with jane pauly. here is a portion of the interview. >> i understood that there were many americans who because of the financial crash there was anger and resentment. i knew that. but i believed that it was my responsibility to try to offer answers to it not to to fee in it. i think it was a mistake because a lot of people did not want to hear my plan they wanted me to share their anger i should've done a better job of demonstrating i get it. >> there were some memorable gaffes too. why do you think that have been so circulating in the mind.

i thought trump was behaving in a deplorable manner. i thought a lot of his appeals to voters were deplorable. i thought his behavior as we sat in that access hollywood tape was deplorable. and there were a large number of people who did not care it did not matter to them. and he turned out to be a very effective reality tv star. you energized you offended some people who didn't personally think that. i'm sorry i gave them a political gift of any kind. i don't think that was determinative. hillary clinton's and newest book what happened will be released on tuesday by simon and schuster in on monday evening september 18 book tv will be covering a discussion between hillary clinton in politics and prose co-owner

and former chief writer they will discuss the presidential campaign in 2016 in its aftermath. for more information check our website. a look now at some of the authors recently featured on the afterwards program. brinkley author interview program. they warned against federal government expansion. wall street journal writer and former editorial page offer his thoughts on influence. in the former breitbart news editor explored the limits of free speech. in the coming the coming weeks on afterwards progressive policy institute david osborne will examine the charter school movement and offer his outlook on the future of public education. journalist susie hansen will share her travels abroad and reflect on the global scene. investigative journalist bert

levine well report on the mental health industry and this weekend on afterwards harvard university professor daniel allen well discuss how mass incarceration has impacted her family. in the amount of luck involved. unless you just put yourself back in each of those years and think about what did your bedroom look like. what were the dangerous choices you are considering but the things side-by-side. is it personal responsibility or societal. what is your answer when people ask you that. you cannot separate those things. because collectively we build the world that we live in. we build the opportunity patterns. it's us. we are building it.

it just doesn't fall out of nowhere from mars. and in the world that we live in terror very different degrees of difficulty confronting young people compared to where they had been born. it airs on book tv every saturday at 10:00 p.m. and sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. and you can watch all previous estimate afterwards program. 362 we are pleased to be joined by one of 362 americans who have actually been in space and that is asked or not leland melvin.ou you write that your book is called cheating space and you write that it have all begun with a dropped pass. >> i was a wide receiver on a running team and that means i block a lot this is catching passes