>> c-span, where history unfolds stealing. in 1979, c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television companies. brought you today by your cable or satellite provider. >> retired japanese military officers talked about the country's defense strategy and efforts to strengthen the us-japan alliance. other topics included cyber security, preparatio preparatioe 2020 tokyo olympics.e from the simpson center in washington, d.c. this is an hour and half. >> good morning, welcome to the

voices for japan program. this is an annual event that japan program house to inviteth strategic thinkers in japan we often don't get to listen to washington. this year, honor to have the leaders. they have been my mentors come to respect them deeply. they taught me some things over the years the ten or 15 years i have been on the. very happy they greet to come to washington and talk to us this morning. you all have a bio in the program at your seat. so i will save you the introduction. but for a quickly to my left, is general -- in the to him is an

admirable in the far and as a lieutenant. obviously all retired, but there from the three services toreti demonstrate the importance of a joint operation. we will listen to what they have in mind about the posture. before start on late in introducing myself. i'm a director of japan program simpson.n. this annual event could not happen without sponsors and supporters of the japan program so i would like to thank all of the japan program supporters at this location. you can see the list of supporters at the back of the brochure, hopefully this corporation will grow over the

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question..the first question to each one of you, since the prime minister came into the office he promotee the concept of contribution for peace. he push the peace and security legislation and under his watch japanese government hadpanese g reinterpreted the constitutional interpretation of whether japan can exercise the right of the defense or not. so from outside, particularly here in washington looks to us like their great changes that are happening. on the legal foundations and policy orientations. in the way of how japan engages with the international community in the area of internationalatia

security. and how does that look to you? to feel that japan should reorient in a different way from what it has been doing in the last seven years? the way it engages in the world? i'll start from the general and then go down the aisle. >> morning before a answer the question there two things i like to say on behalf of myself andtw my colleagues. first basically there has been

to many disasters near japan, the john mccain a fixed euro had accidents close to our country. as a result, 17 sailors perished. they are wonderful contribution has helped to maintain peace in our region and help to bolster national security. i would like to once again expect extend my thanks to the united states and for the lives that were lost. that's the first thing i would say. the second is, some have been

supporting us for a number of years in japan as a whole. it's wonderful we had the opportunity to spend time with you today. we are graduates of the academyy and we have had long relationship with -- and simpson has played a large contribution to allowing us to have direct talks and exchanges of views. i would like to express myor thanks is for is the question we just asked, my thought is that the prime minister has helped change and to have a peaceful

thntribution. and the forces feel like our constitution is something that of course we need to protect something that we can do but it is important for us to pursue it we've had new interpretation of our constitution to change our stance as far as those that we can do, we need to do more to

support the united states, so we can do things there were not able to do up until now becauseb of the space of the contribution. further, japan with its articlee nine of the constitution was not allowed to use force. some people misunderstand and think we will be using force but that's not the case. the constitution hasn't changed. we will not use force outside of japan. so there hasn't been much ancient our constitution and room for operation. the people wonder why there's so much discussion in japan. what i can tell you is that the public sentiment are still not mature. we don't how does that we should act.

how we should be on the international stage. and what should we do to maintain peace. should we do something outsideld japan to maintain global peace? think the change in security legislation will allow us to play a larger role up until now. some of the median japan wants to try to the people in thinking that there will be a change in our constitution, it will be a dangerous path, but that's not the case. we have not had really an adult conversation in japan about this. we've had some steps were as a result of the abbe administration. i think that something i wouldld like you to understand.

>> is for as i'm concerned, i'm the national fellow of the navy. and up until now i've been in a position where had to keep from criticizing the united states come up and have a high am academic, i do have more leeway to express myself fully. as for is the question that was asked about japan's national security policy and mother does change should not, i think the -- and the coalition partners have looked at those and changed but if you look from a different angle, what you can see is it's

not change drastically. just during the democratic party of japan the government there wasn't much progress in termsth several legislation, relating to national security. basically what is happened iss there's been change such that were able to apply our security legislation policy in a different way. with three years over the democratic party of japan's role there's a number of things that happen and i don't think they were able to respond effectively to different things. one thing i can point to is the fact that the government released the captain of the chinese fishing vessel that landed an accident near land. the other thing is that you

screw japan earthquake the nuclear impact.this b so, this basically set the stage for a change in government. how is it japan will change? is stance on security issues. one thing is if you look at the diamond it's easy to understand the guideline published in -- 1978 for the first time. it was a roadmap for the guidelines for cooperated with united states under alliance. in and seven this was revised in 1994 there's the first nuclear crisis in the korean peninsula.

there was a discussion about what it is we should do to support the united states in the was of a contingency around us. the guideline was revised with that in mind. in 2005 another revision of the. in 2015 this was revised after the earthquake and tidal wave. so there was 90 about not just a crisis in our environment around us is what we can do to respond to domestic issues. this led to discussion of more joint planning.>> f from here out, how was it that japan should be involved in its national security and what a policies should pursue? one thing we need to do is continue to apply our policies

as we have in the past. one thing i can say is in 2015 the revision of the guideline, think that will revise and north korea and 2000 rather that's in the future japan and north korea might have missiles in might have nuclear weapons. to ha that thinking to not exist when the guidelines were revise. there's a question about whether the most recent revision is in line with the times are not. i think it's something we will need to think about.ing to >> i think there are three points to consider in the regard. the first the forward to floyd forces of the united states, can the united states and japan have interoperable planning or not? with north korean missile, we

need to have a 24 hour operation that will allow us to respond to the crisis that might come from the peninsula. we need to look at what we can do to cooperate more in the three party type situation with south korea. so what we can do together not only with us-japan but us-japan and north korea. the other thing is there is a limit to what the floyd forces of the united states can do to make and also south korea those countries should work together by the source of the united states and how we maintain the presents. i think cooperation is needed.

as i mentioned around the korean peninsula, needs to be reinforced. from the perspective it is japan must reinforce and so i think it's very important to be deployed. thirdly, in order to reduce u.s. burden japanese engagement in the region would need to look at our game. curre the burden which is currently with united states in order to reduce the we should take more initiative in order to contribute to the peace of then. region. there's a good possibility.er i think we should discuss this with u.s. forces to have a better coordination between japan and united states.

i think that would be a good way thr japan to engage in thehe region. >> thank you. i've been for two years in washington, d.c. was -- in d.c. and for two years i was involvei in the project to think about the foreign policy and from different think tanks of washington, d.c. was invited to attend the symposium. i mostly turned down. i returned to japan and that i got invitation so course i cannot turn down that request. thank you for this wonderful opportunity to before answering the question. briefly like to talk about the

united states and how the alliance between the two countries should work. in 1954 the defense agency was established. the force in 1950 the one year before the korean war started with the police force in the two years before the maritimeed. started. seventy-three years ago 1954 the forces, 63 years? no, after that there is development of spf. but if i may summarize briefly during the cold war era in a 1989 the collapse of the berlin were clubs. after the there is the u.s.

courses in order to keep their persons including logistical -- specifically the maritime and air. when the ground forces in order to focus on the northern area the presence increase. also both maritime in the air is surveillance that is increase. together with the u.s. members we have been fighting together. and after the terror and also for other measures the american bases in japan we have been protecting those spaces together. and there has been some sign of changes in their come to the point where we really need to

adjust our roles. in 2015 the security legislation was formulated. during peacetime.o what w i think we all incorporated into what we can do in the peacetime. emergency contingency order to play the roles and there's more things to be done. we have come to the point where we think about those points more seriously. >> thank you. i think that's a good segue. we talked about how japan how responded and adjusted to thee changes. resulted in the internal changes. that you laid out. and that context, as a general pointed out, if they are trying

to rethink about how to posture themselves to respond to such changes, what kind of defense posture should they force and look for, looking over the next ten to 15 years? >> thank you very much.that w is a changing environment. the order to ensure the concept four years ago as the government there is a cabinet decision that the national defense program guideline for the next ten years.

when we think about the changi changing, north korea, china, and russia are important factors to take into consideration. eight years ago north korea was the crisis there. china is the crisis in the near future.ar russia was the crisis, this interpretation eight years ago. over the last for five years there has been some change in our perception. in the north korea this is exactly what they needed.a i thn in china the threat for the near future. and russia, unless you watch closely you will be very dangerous. i think it changes the perception of the crisis.

for years ago in order to respond to the change or the tha crisis they integrated it defense posture. in other words, the southwestern islands which was a vacuum that is, the south of -- to taiwan,iw and the china called it the first island chain from oak now to that southwest islands that is the first island chain. and there is 2500 the fourth were deployed in the area coming to taiwan. there was a vacuum of the forces when this region. first that vacuum when you

consider trying to over the 50 years china has been building up their strength and you can see the south china sea. without creating the vacuum or the force we really have to build up our structure. . . southwestern islands, they decided to build up and strengthen the power. and there are three things. the first is we have -- when there is any emergency or contingency here, new force will be injected and the force will be injected in order to eliminate the vacuum in the southwestern area in order to

strengthen the deterrent. so those are the two ways to increase the deterrence. and the third stage, some island is taken. we have to retake it. so the new force for that purpose is created. so those are the phases in order to avoid and fill the gap of the vacuum of the southwestern islands in order to build up the defense peers of that program started four years ago and where in the fourth year so we are still in the -- this program has been underway steadily. >> in japan we are attempting >>

>> but is in order to keep the status quo what do we need to do is that what japan needs? and as far as maritime self-defense i would say that we want to have to do tines of - - kinds of deterrence in these two kinds allow us to maintain. also with india in order to maintain the status quo to have sufficient forces. and third from the u.s. japan alignment --

self-defense forces must door their part. people think that there are two types one is tactical one a strategic also has a nuclear deterrent and to maintain deterrence with conventional weapons so to do that japan needs to strengthen the forces and also needs to maintain and strengthen its deterrence through denial. i and as was said earlier about north korea in the change of situation there so what can we do? strengthen

our cooperation with united states in our region.is t sova reactive verses pro-active deterrent so open to all now and that's is this something has happened to have the ability to respond. in with that anti-submarine warfare and and to be reactive but the pro-active defense with that graze the

operation -- and that gravestone also to have situation already is and also to gain the advantagein if hostilities were to break out. so that is something that we need to enhance. >> translator: i will talk about u.s. air defenses the u.s. air force 1947 we only

had a airforce since 1954 and the imperial army did have components that is the first time to have an air thrce in japan. 1945 it was the end of world war two in the end of the air force. we only had that for a short period of time. so 35 years since the air force was set up so to have an organization we need to keep in mind that so whatki

sort of rolled should they have? basically, it is to support operations on the ground. there are many different discussions about this and ideas, perhaps the air forcece should be more independent with their own when the or operations.ed durin and this was tried during the persian gulf war. to get so that does give a historical perspective because the we are of using perspective what the airforce should do.self-def and the air self-defense

forces what do we need to do? as far as the southwest asian islands to enhance our deterrence the self-defense forces especially that deterrent defect with that idea to have strategic nuclear weapons is not something we're considering now but we are charged with protecting the country so how is it we can with conventional weapons? so this is what is really affecting me. >> if they can start collecting the cards if they

are ready to go please wave to these two people. to figure out what type of defense posture is appropriate. to provide the national defence. but what are the challenges that use the internal or external? and for the of first question i will flip the order and we have had

our thinking then the tactics than the technology but we have learned a lot c from the united states in regard but we have to build up our forces there and from here are now often off the day and that has pulled it out. >> yes, yes it has in even the stuff that we need to think about. >> but in those abstract

terms unfortunately this smooth there have been someee angels in the security read their blood is the response? we need to have a clear view i of what is happening. as i said earlier. explain to my dear sister what is happening but to say

that we could be shared

panera security environment there is a crisis situation.pri so how we resolve the private and public to work together? so a key and handle this very well. so do controlled missiles but then they have the recognition by china actually the creator but then also to be pursued by our neighbor. but that public and private

together are moving in the same direction. and the student needs to be made but then to be a huge huge but then it has been in

decline in gas reception is in decline.p us p but at least we'd move the of all of its debt is a shortfall with increases in together for the purpose. and on my side they said to a mystery of the country so multiple years ago when dad deadline but that peace is

that then to go to east tennessee aid for the first time with the testing with the pacific ocean and and it becomes more aggressive. and then we have china's specialty.

belted his hard. so in order to come to that that, of the first violentbeen but if that becomes a reality so how do we

strongly defended the island chain? and the that is a steady from now.changes, j and to come to that point of the national defence guidelines for of years ago but then that is each of the maritime and then that

should sell them quickly but with china the defense put

the reason they use that is they have to live another very equal basis.er. and those guidelines would stop and i didn't think that total alignment but. >> bid and also to be carried out in the joint session of meetings and then

the this is concrete in a policy.

so now we need to create those sanctions.arts so with that organization will set up we should have a better realignment to consider the full structure. >> there is a never actually in this audience. but then especially given by a in europe period there.

there were very direct questions, but if you have additional thoughts to adddd only whether japan and that is much more interesting. [laughter] >> you have really done this. >> c-17 -- but. >>

[inaudible] with that ability to have that counterattack. there are four things that our important in the first is to strike down a missile and also of deterrents to strike at a missile basis for:and the threat of events to protect so then to shut down when a do%.out so with that counterattacked capability to pay it does not have this.

and my colleague say that ms. to go on our trips but to the case see them the

laboratory has much of japan head of this will have day of leverage the in negative this ignatius to ship down missiles. >> du have another identification?. >> to understand the unit did states.

rib curve here is thing to

do make rational decisions somebody needs to counter their own. we have left policy through the united states. and then just deal with a couple of missiles. we need to have betterwith a inspiration gathering, renaissance. >> and what to do so it isn't easy one answer to those questions going forward. >> to put this into perspective march of this year, there was a discussionibi

to have that capability to strike and the discussion focused on long-distance missiles but one large issue that is if japan had to are itself that is a huge change be in our posture -- posture you'd have more surveillance and information gathering and what type of weaponry or platform? this is what is

necessary but i have to start all over it our approach. to have a large change of our traditional posture. and then to have more discussion on this.include with the american and armaments. joint ope we could have a joint operations but even other obstacles we have had up until now. >> and with that possibility

depending on the discussion with the new nationall defense program but i find more specifically then be before those forces to look at how to equip themselves kerry differently from the past programs. and we often talk about fiber as a new demesne were you to start from.just w so i just want to give another question so given that it is hosting an international sporting event the world rugby cup period in 2020 there is our other so this seems that cyberiss the right area where these

people put themselves or what kind of capability to have and perhaps all of the government approach is very inappropriate side just want reaction of how do you feel about cyberspace? translator: with that of the space operation and because for the future so

this is that part of that operation so with his still very small compared to the u.s.. is in just interested in this important area. so to have that defense structure in line with our national defense so that posture for the japanese domestic issue and particularly for defense but that rate in japan and declining population it is

difficult to recoup in japan any more coming here. so fiscally that is the condition that continues so therefore overall there is a consensus queeney to improve the defense posture with limited resources so in other words, taken not get everything that we want how those limited resources could be effective depending and how they are used it is very important and therefore to put more emphasis on that domain.maybe we need to stopple we have been doing so far and it is

between japan and the united states. those who engage in cyber don't think they are involved so we do need to increase the size to integrate the cyberoperationas so it has already created the organization like the tokyo olympics that shows the need to address and not even the most serious but

the new domain is the electromagnetic area so the center of bader space and so those crossbill means -- cross domain is that possible? i think we need to join. with cyberspace how we should carry out activities because he would focus something like that and then

to go against so now you have the support of the united states. >> and we have to assume there's no cyberattacks on the ship even though latest with your navy they could pull the button at the bottom in the ship will sink particularly with the

communications satellite. there is such a chance of invasion or of even fitzgerald and there was the investigation carried out. in there for with that same hysteria so where those plans were together and so those people could be affected so is that the japan u.s. coordination to the well-organized?.

>> they make my job easier because they feed off of each other. so let me switch gears a little bit to talk about japan and the of their partners in the region. japan has been investing a lot in the security relationships out the station in countries like it selfie and india and also south korea is supposed to japan be the future of the to -- so probably south korea in a

little bit different category because it is in response to that can create threats but more generally with southeast asia where india or australia or even with europe. translator: [laughter] the rule of law that in order to do main with. but to fill the gaps with other countries and europeth otr

and eurasia is on the edge of the continent and the northern routes are opening up as a result of changes or was it before it will in negative force us to think it is as dirty as it is in europe and. >> we also have to get you to cd indian ocean but those

>> the uk? but then to reduce standing back to free and open notions., >> it is a geographical issue with a differenttr dimension. how was it we can beecher north korea or maintain the status quo? and then to have common and geographical issue. >> they're able to work

together and and spirit our south dakota was soviet other. i agree of what in then to get through the power we need to work so with those talks also from different

perspective in theom philippine but then to go into the philippines recently with japan might be able to fill in viet gaffes as it exists and also. >> so these countries and those that would change with

in with the two countries we consider you to be a friend. but but the difference and

also with that intelligence level. spring they do have a relationship of trust in the worst scenario but then to

patent and but grass-roots level isn't to have that family relationship. in fact, been in terms of revision with that guideline

but with the u.s. so to give your thoughts with perpetualimio weren't even. [laughter] >> but there are. >> the big yester is this in that but there is no

relationship currently on tour any exchanges. if you think about preventing access it may be more advantageous but if one of ours is supposed one of their two-year knowledge each other and allowing them to express their attention

and with quite a large influence we need to keep in mind. is in concrete terms but if there were to be a crisis in taiwan ended they had a a

lesser presence the head

with a trend was a lot more then korea in this incredible you to pass on the jumper growth slowed to strike the stuffing a home but.

>> but this will probably be the last question. >> again in to provide those

resources for the soda pianist the is roughly 1% to. that is an honest difference if.

so given the capability he needs to have that the government has been working if he looked at the august

space the was that the budget request and room have thl

infrastructure that enable that. so even though the budget is so limited that japan is able to make it within the budget. another words the technology for

the after the war japan has engaged in the production of the submarines. in other words the skill compared to the u.s. workers as skill level is higher. so we look at in that regard and so we should exchange it actually should be the complementary it eventually leads to the stronger lines. so if the pressure gets use for the stronger japanese defense capability i think that is the best way. as i mentioned in the beginning. sixty-three years ago the forces

were established. that served as the ministry. we don't call it military defense or nation. and for the u.s. and japanese taxpayer what is the difference about the national defense? the greatest difference -- they are not in the self-defense forces. . .

those are three major players. and the force itself so the, we do not have basic knowledge. i think there is a lack as the taxpayers, why the forces exist? i think there is an understanding but there is, we are not educated that way. and there is change of the law during the term of the administration. so now the japanese people in school, learn the way the state should operate but we were not educated as such and it will

take another trend.the significance i think the basic understanding and basic understanding about the necessity has been lucky in the population at large. so when the budget increases we need to use the money effectively but in order for the organization, politics and the military, the communication should because of proffered judgment can be given for the important phases. so the military, civil military relations are still yet to improve in japan. and with this i think forces are able to exercise that to

the full extent. >> i have to admit this is the first and i have heard a four-star admiral talking about defense budget in the context of why the homemaker -- [laughter] it was actually pretty, it was enlightening. it kinda gives me a fresh outlook on this. i would like to thank adm. tomohisa takei, gen. kiyofumi iwata and lt. gen. masayuki hironaka once again for coming to washington for this gathering. i would like to thank all of you for joining us on a friday morning. i hope that the weather is cooperating with us. thank you again for coming and i hope that you have a good friday. thank you very much. [applause]

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