comprehensive addition of laura ingalls wilder pioneer girl, which is her autobiography. >> on sunday at 2 p.m. eastern on american history tv we will tour the south dakota state capital. >> if you look up there are also four corner areas with flags. obviously the south dakota flag, there's a flight from dakota territory, a flight from the united states of course and there are also flags from spain and france because they controlled this territory at different times. each corner has in one corner has whitefly, a red flag, a black and one yellow and those are the native american colors that symbolize the four directions of the compass. >> if you don't loose in clark's encounter with members of lakota sioux along the missouri river and why that meeting was so important to the area. watch saturday at noon eastern

on c-span2's booktv, and send the 2 p.m. on american history tv on c-span3. the c-span cities tour working with our cable affiliates and visiting cities across the country. >> and a look inside the white house briefing room as reporters gathered and waiting for tabriz expected to start any time now scheduled to be in a few minutes ago. we will have live coverage when it does here on c-span two. take look at some of the topics we might hear about today. the jobs report losing 33,000 jobs last month mainly due to hurricanes closing businesses according to the labor department. the unemployment rate still going down at 4.2%. the job losses are the first in six years the trump administration allowing more employers to opt out of providing no-cost birth control to win by claiming employers religious or moral objections. reversing part of an obama administration rule on preventative care. here's one of the responses from

colorado congresswoman diana degette. >> the administration and republican-controlled congress have relentlessly attacked women's reproductive rights and access to care. they have repeatedly tried to defund planned parenthood from reduced women's access to reproductive care under title x and work to dismantle the protections under the affordable care act. under the aca insurers are required to cover birth control at no cost, and 55 million women are doing so. we cannot go back his progress. that's exactly what president trump's rule restricting access to contraception would do. the president's rule lets virtually anyone including bosses, health plans and schools to discriminate against women by refusing to cover birth control. you will not just have to pay higher out-of-pocket costs, you have to pay the full cost for your birth control if your

employer, health plan or school decides against covering them. for example, birth-control pills can cost $50 a month or more without insurance coverage, and longer acting options like iuds can cost up to $1000 without insurance. depriving women birth-control coverage jeopardizes health and economic well-being. women and couples use contraceptives to have healthier pregnancies, to help tide births and to achieve desired family size. and more than half of all women on the pill also use it to treat other medical issues like endometriosis. president trump's new rule could rip birth-control coverage away from hundreds of thousands of women, anything with a personal decisions at access to care. let's make clear to president trump that birth-control is healthcare. >> "newsweek" reports the shooter in las vegas tried to

buy unilluminating illuminatinh which contained both that ignite in order to be visible to the naked eye when they're fired. some of information about the preparations the shooter made. we get a reaction from the white house on gun legislation during today's briefing. while we wait for the white house briefing to start we'll take a look at some of today's "washington journal." tim schmidt joins us now come president of the u.s. concealed carry association. join as from wisconsin this morning. good morning. first, what's the mission of the association? >> guest: the nation of the usc eight is b by 2022 we want o educate and train 10 million responsible gun owners in america and next we want to ensure one goggin members and we have reverse engineered the math and we do that we will stop 20,000 crimes and notably save 1000 peoples lives, how do you go about doing that? >> guest: for us it's all about education, training and

teaching people to be responsible gunto owners. the uscca is all about empowering people to be that frontline defender. when their families kauneonga. we have a trade publication, , l sorts of online videos. we have thousands of certified firearms turned all across the country that teach people face to face how to be that responsible gun owner. when people join our association they are covered by a self-defense insurance protection that makes sure when they're in a situation that have defended the films, that they're the best representation and the best attorneys. >> host: when the matthew talk about that you reverse engineered. how do you expect that you will say that many lives? >> guest: no problem. i used to be an engineer so the math thing is, i love it. when you teach 1 million people to be responsible gun owners, so you add an million people or able to defend themselves,

against a deadly attack, if you look at fbi crime statistics, that will essentially thwart 20,000 crimes, 20,000 either attempted murders or aggravated assaults. and if you do the math based on fbi stats, on the percentages, if those 20,000 crimes are stopped, 1000 peoples lives will be saved. >> host: how many members do you have? >> guest: we have 225,000 members, and so we're a little bit a ways away from our goal of 1 million but we're still continue to grow rapidly. we grow approximately 45% every single year. >> host: how many states require a a state permit to cay a weapon? >> guest: so right now there's 39 states require some form of permit. that means there's 11 states that have what i refer to as constitutional constitutional carry, meaning they don't require the citizens to get a permit to carry a gun.

of those 39 states there's all sorts of different from every everything statist different legislation, different laws. some states i was called shall issue in some states are called what is may issue, meaning that may issue states you have to ask for permission from maybe your local sheriff or the local attorney general before you can get the permit or as a shall issue states it because of the process, the governing body has to issue the permit. >> host: what is the right way for doing that, in your mind? which one of those processes do you think is the correct way? >> guest: that's a great question, john, and to think i may surprise you with my answer. i a firm believer in peoples responsibilities. if you're going to carry gun that comes with tremendous responsibility, and if you're in a situation where you go to a state in the states as well, jim, you have to get four fourx hours of training and pass a ten minute test, and then you can carry a gun, which quite frankly

that is most of the states. that is the extent of their process. in essence what happens is you and steal this false sense of confidence in people that having a training when they really don't. i personally believe the way the states do it with the constitutional carry, meaning puts the responsibility on the responsibility our citizen, and that ultimately what they will do is find organizations like my and get into the habit of training which is really what you need to do. you need to train on a regular basis, not just this four to six our business just to get your permit. >> host: what is right to carry reciprocity? >> guest: right to carry reciprocity, imagine you have a drivers license in the state you live. everyone knows you can drive all over the country and it doesn't matter what state you are in, that state will recognize your drivers license. it's just the opposite with concealed carry. i'm from wisconsin. i have a concealed carry permit in wisconsin and there's a handful of states that will

recognize that permit and say yes, , you can carry an ostensible. there's a a whole bunch of stas that don't recognize it. every time i go on a trip i had to do some research and make sure i understand where i can and can't carry a gun. what that translates into his were i can and can't defend myself. so the reciprocity bill that is in the senate and the house right now but essentially force every state to recognize the concealed permit severity of the stitches assembly do with drivers licenses, we're talking with tim schmidt of the u.s. concealed carry association. if you want to call and we'll have this conversation until 10:00 today. as folks are calling in, what do you think the lessons are from

the las vegas shooting? >> guest: my goodness, the lessons are that it's so hard come so difficult to understand why a person would do something like this. i know there are so many people that are like how can we prevent this happening again? can we ban certain items? i would just challenge all of those who think that's the long-term solution to really, really think if certain equipment, if certain pieces of plastic didn't exist, do we really think that would've stopped this massacre, this terrorist attack from happening? of course it wouldn't. and so what do we learn? we learn we have a lot of figuring out to do of what's wrong with our society that will actually produce people like this. it's absolutely heartbreaking and very discouraging. >> host: you don't support a bump stock man? >> guest: look, if i thought banning bump stocks would

magically make it so that they would disappear and never be used again, i don't know, maybe that's a good idea. i also don't think it would. i will say this. just the discussion of any bump stocks has literally introduced at least three or 4000 of those into the market place because people are clamoring to buy them. now we have literally, we had all these new bump stocks into the market which as you and i both know when you make some illegal it doesn't automatically disappear. especially because people who are criminals tend to not follow laws. if you think bump stocks were a problem just talked about has made it worse. >> host: what do you think about the national rifle association time this bump stock debate to the concealed carry debate? yesterday the nra in their statement saying that there should be perhaps additional regulations, whatever that means, on the bump stocks. they also say on behalf of our 5 million members, congress

should also pass the right to carry reciprocity bill which will allow law-abiding americans to defend themselves and the families from acts of violence. are these things tied together now? >> guest: i don't think they should be tied together. i have committed a matter of respect the nra. they are truly the pioneers in the fight for the second amendment. however, i think the nra in agreeing that making bump stocks illegal is a good thing, i think they are caving in all of it to some of the knee-jerk feel-good pressure that of course always threat situations like this. maybe i shouldn't say, it's more an emotional response. we all know that silver passing a law never has an effect on crime. look at the biggest crime cities in our country, chicago, d.c., l.a., these are the cities that have the most gun control laws in place. so to think that passing a law will have any future violence, i

think it's not real. >> host: tim schmidt of the use carry association to take a questions until 10:00. brian is up first. the life for democrats. brian for michigan, good morning. >> caller: good morning and thank you. in michigan we have open carry. we also have concealed carry permits. if i was to open carry and then travel from point a to b with my weapon in my trunk, that's considered concealment, which is against the law. so how would i i be able to opn carry but yet move from point aa to b without breaking the law of concealment? >> guest: when you say move you are talking with going from state to state, correct? >> caller: within the state. >> guest: within the state. i'm from wisconsin. i'm not completely well-versed on the laws of michigan. i do know and i would give you this advice, and that is that

open carry is not the most tactical, tactically sound method of kerry. you lose the tactical advantage. i would personally recommend that you concealed carry. i guess that would be my recommendation. >> host: the u.s. concealed carry association, uscca.com if you want to check them out while we having this discussion. we have especially for those of concealed carry permits. daniel is on that line from pennsylvania. good morning. >> caller: how're you doing? i'm absolutely national reciprocity law. i believe that all of us the concealed carry should have the absolute right to go from state to state to protect ourselves and our loved ones any crime or anyone who wants to hurt us or do harm to us. i've been working very, very

diligently with my state senators and my congressman to try and get that passed. >> guest: i couldn't agree more. i think the national reciprocity law is very important. i could tell you story after story of our own uscca moussa been a situation where just by simply sneaking into state and made the cut in a car crash and they've been arrested for literally doing nothing. i am 100% behind you, and we need to get that passed. >> host: a different take on the concealed carry reciprocity act use conference of mayors. their statement of that act.

>> host: your response? >> guest: well, certainly can understand how elected mayors have had a tendency to go down that path. it's funny i was on a radio program with a senator in oregon and have that exact same concern. the concern that oregon would have to recognize permits from states that had much, much worse concealed carry process to make it happen. ironically, these guys clearly have not done their homework very well because oregon actually has come out of all the states that have concealed carry permits there one of the lowest levels of training required. when i explained that to the they were kind of caught off guard, the thing is though that most states have very similar processes for getting the concealed carry permit. if we really truly believe that self-defense is a natural right, that we all have, we really

shouldn't make our citizens go through hoops just to cross state lines. >> host: to strongsville ohio. good morning. >> caller: good morning. in ohio we have concealed handgun law, not necessarily concealed carry. is there an organization addressing the issue of having a concealed carry with respect and knives? and the different kinds of nice we can cure and different wavelengths and things like that. does your organization address that need? >> guest: that's a great question, and, unfortunately, we don't. we are strictly focus on firearms, and certainly i personally believe it is important to pay attention to knives as well. i carry a knife every day, and that's a great point. the last thing you want to do is be followed in the laws with your firearm, which are handgun and be actively breaking them with a knife. i do know there is an national rifle association. there are nice right

associations and i would encourage you to look them up and see what they are working on. >> host: questions from some of our views on twitter about the process of giving a concealed carry permit. what's the usual process? >> guest: typical process, and begin come every state is different but i can speak from wisconsin as well as a handful of other states. they are all similar and that is you typically go through a six to eight hour classroom setting type situation with there's an instructor in the front, you are studying from a book, watching presentations. at the end of the class you typically take a multiple-choice test to make sure you have the basic fundamentals of firearm safety understood as well as the legal ramifications of using your firearm. quite often states will require the teacher to take the students to a life range, and live by range and through the course of fire typically seven yards on 2e student can actually safely handle a firearm. as i mentioned before i

personally believe this level of preparation and training is ridiculously low. i'm not saying the government should mandate what it should be because i guarantee you they will screw it up. instead it's the responsibility of the given order to get into the habit of regular training to truly be that responsibly on citizen. >> host: is there any mental health screening involved? >> guest: so the mental health screening is typically done when you purchase a handgun. the form 4473 with the atf takes care of that. >> host: mike is in new mexico on that life for those who have concealed carry permits. good morning. >> caller: hello. >> host: go ahead. you are on with tim schmidt public thank you. i just had two concerns. on a concealed carry. i'm in a smoking unity. i know every sheriff, every police officer so they know what i'm up to if i'm standing there during an incident.

if i go to another state of reciprocity state, i need some way to be able to help the police officers around me without being considered a suspect. like a shoulder patch or a batch or something so they know why him. and then the second concern, the second thing i'd like to talk about is those trials, that's a beautiful thing, also. i would like to see some shows, videos that have people that i defended themselves and kept the evil person from violating their family. that's my two issues. thank you. >> guest: those are some great issues. i'll address them in reverse order. i love the idea of some tv shows maybe on like a netflix series of responsibly armed citizens doing the right thing and the resulting positive. that's a great idea and i'll put my team on and we will say we

can do. as to the first question, which was what you do when you're in a situation with law enforcement and you have a gun and want to help out? so my first thought would be, be very, very careful, right? the only time you actually ever pull a gun out or your firearm in the presence of law enforcement would be if a law enforcement officer was by himself and in distress. if that wasn't the case i assure you that it would be very happy that you came to the rescue. if you're in a crime scene and, like say for example, you at the minimart and you stop a criminal from trying to rob the minimart, when the police show up you put your gun down and put your hands up and you explain to them look, i'm not the bad guy, i'm the good, make sure you're not carrying that gun. when they arrived at your is a suspect and get to keep in mind. >> host: on twitter a question from doug wanted to know if you are paid by gun manufacturers? >> guest: that's a great

question. i actually was having a chat with one of my employees last night, and we ran into a friend of ours that we trained in tae kwon do together and i have seen for a long time. he asked asked me, you must have a lot of guns being in this business you are in. i'll admit i do have a lot of guns. he said he get them all for free? isis actually i've never ever received a free gun. if someone sends one to me i would send it back. i don't want free stuff. what i found is when someone gives you a free gun are some tries to pay you, they give you $1000 gun and what $10,000 in thousand dollars in value returns was never worth it. so to be specific to the question, of course i'm not paid by the gun manufacturers. this is a private association, a private business and it's made for our customers for the uscca members. >> host: how many guns do you

have? >> guest: i've got a a couple f hankins and a couple of rifles. >> host: you mentioned during an engineer before. how did you go from being an engineer to running this organization? >> guest: well, i studied engineering in college and i started a small intimate business and what i started having children, my first son was what i went through my own personal self-defense awakening if you will. i realize i need to be the first line of defense because i realize most of the time when you call 911 it's already too late. being the engineer that i was, i took this deep dive manager let's figure this thing out and i realized there wasn't a lot of support for a guy like me starting from the beginning. so i started the uscca picket simply a print magazine and that was, trustee, a rocky rocky start. but i persevered and stuck with it and over the years i transferred into an association in things really started to take

off. now it's a dream come true to be able to lead all of a court of mena people in becoming that responsibly on citizen who is willing to stand up and be informed the family when they needed. >> host: tim schmidt with us for a few more minutes. his website, uscca.com if you want to check them out on twitter. steve is in way in washington, d.c., life independents. good morning. >> caller: good morning and thank you for c-span. i am so grateful for the outstanding programming that you provide. you're just mentioned that there is an emotional or knee-jerk reaction when tragedies happen involving gun violence such as sandy hook and the las vegas shooter with stephen paddock, dylann roof in south carolina. i like to know if your guest has

lost a loved one directly affected by the violence if his response would be so cavalier. also i would like to point out that an independent study by the uk has indicated that in present bias amongst people of caller in the united states of america shows that they are more likely to have been fatally shot as a result of an apparent threat or perception that they were armed and dangerous. look at the 12-year-old young african-american boy, tamir rice, in ohio as a very tragic example. so i'd be interested in knowing if your guest would have certain insights for african-americans who may be concealed carry weapon holders and the threat that they particularly faced as being perceived as armed and dangerous? >> guest: i would be very, well stated and articulate

question or i really pressure d have to pause if i appear to be counted before. i assure you that my heart just aches all this horrible tragedy that happened in all of the different situations you talked about. all i can say is that these quote-unquote knee-jerk reactions as i say, look at the results of the laws they get past in response to these situations. nothing changes. all it does is create new laws. in terms of the concealed carry situation with african-americans, all i can say is that we have many, many african-americans who are our members, who are our customers. we teach them how to avoid conflict, how to be prepared, how to put themselves in a situation so that they don't appear to be a threat because that's what anyway, not just african-americans can be a nice to know how to do that. >> host: what are some of the ways of doing that? >> guest: well, one of the first ways is to get in the

habit of living in condition yellow. when i say condition yellow i'm referencing the cooper colorcode system, condition white is a condition you in that's the lowest level of awareness. that's when you're walking down the street staring at your cell phone and your completed oblivious to your surroundings. condition yellow is you got a cell phone in your pocket, walking confidently, looking around, you know your surroundings. to a perpetrator, that's the last person they want to mess with because they see it coming. then there's additional colorcode for when there's an actual threat. that's a perfect example. real quickly back to this concept of every time there's a tragedy with a firearm, it just seems like all we hear is how bad these happen with firearms. the fact of the matter is that 1.5 million, 2.5 many times per your firearms or use by responsible americans to stop crimes, to stop rates, to stop assaults and to stop murders.