against them and he dodged and delayedagain and again . it's a pattern, it's not, this is not a one off. this is a problem. this is a cancer at the heart of the conservative movement. if we are not willing to say that the left is not right, that we tolerate these people. there are these moral judgments, these key moments in every movement area liberalism had to expel communists in the late 1940s. conservativism had to expel the virtues in the 60s, we have to deal with the alt right . >> afterwards airs on tv every saturday at 10 pm and sunday at 9 pm. watch all "after words" programs on a website, tv.org. >>. >>.

[applause] >> figures, thank you very much. good evening, i'm bradley graham, co-owner of politics and prose. along with my wife lately some muscatine and on behalf of the entire staff,welcome , thank you for coming. >>. >> what a marvelous proud. >> and what a great space for a bookevent . >> thanks for the warriors peter for making this spacious place in available. as much as we at pnb you

enjoy hosting our authors at our store on connecticut avenue northwest, the we had a feeling, we had a feeling that a somewhat larger venue would be needed for this one. >> in fact,, >> in fact, this is the largest author talk that he and he has ever sponsored. [applause] >>

>> familiar with her long and storied career. a lawyer and advocate for children to first lady of arkansas, first lady of the united states, u.s. senator from new york, your secretary of state and the democratic parties presidential candidate.

[cheers and applause] she is the daughter of hugh and dorothy, wife of bill, mother of the kelsey and grandmother of charlotte and aidan. along the way hillary also is managed to write books. in fact, this is her sixth, and reviewers of it so far seem to agree on at least one thing. in these pages she is less guarded than ever before, more revealing, blood and authentic. she says she didn't intend the book to be a comprehensive recap of the campaign and it isn't. but it does convey with the raw emotion, humor and insight outlet felt to run for president as the first woman nominated i major american political party. [cheers and applause]

and how it is felt to do with the aftermath of a shocking defeat. and one other thing comes through loud and clear in what happened. hillary intends to remain active and to speak out. [cheers and applause] hillary will be in conversation up there with my wife lissa. the two then go back a a long . at various times over the past two and half decades, lissa has worked with hillary as chief speechwriter, communications director, book collaborator, and campaign advisor, including several stints helping in the 2016 campaign. currently lissa is writing her own book about her experiences as part of hillary land, a small group of staffers, mostly women, who started with hillary 25 25 years ago in the white house and have remained in her orbit sense. i would also like to take a moment to recognize that in the

audience this evening are a number of members of hillary's 2000 campaign staff. they are out there somewhere. [applause] they toiled mightily for months to help their the candidate ead nearly 3 million more votes than the republican nominee. [cheers and applause] and now, ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming the woman who won more than 65 million 800,000 votes in the last election, hillary rodham clinton. [cheers and applause]

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>> thank you all so much for coming. you sound like 65 the .8 million people. [applause] this is great. and it's such a great crowd. thank you all for being here, and thank you for being here. i feel like we just did this, but that was three years ago. we did for your last book our choices. we are back for "what happened." it's "what happened." it's not "what happened" question mark. it's not what happened "what happened" exclamation point. it's just "what happened." congratulations, book number six pick by the way, produced in record time i might add. it's a very personal book which i'm sure those of you have read it already know and if you want to interviews and you heard about it you know i just wanted one thing before we get started. of course it's about the 2016

election and because hillary clinton is hillary clinton, if course delves deeply into a very broad range of very, very important issues from the erosion of our democratic institutions, the growing signs of totalitarianism creeping into two human aspects of our lives,, the rolling back of voting rights, health care, environment the protections, economic and social justice, and, of course, ongoing seemingly daily if not hourly and more overt examples of sexism and racism across our country. what i want to say as we get started is that if you don't have it yet, you picture book up on the way out, in washington there's that thing where you look in the index and you kind of pick and choose what you're going to read. start at the beginning, read all 469 pages. because -- [applause] she has a lot to say and just

like to say about really, really, really important challenges facing this country. and if you actually read from start to finish you will learn a lot, and it's just fascinating and really important stuff in the book. so thank you for that. but tonight we're going to try to keep it a bit more personal. if that's okay. at the want to start really without this book even give about, and i'm going to remind you, you may not remember this but you and i had a conversation way back in the winter, early winter, you mentioned you were thinking of writing a book about the election and then we had several more conversations about this over the next weeks and months. and each time i said to her emphatically, you are nuts. that is a crazy idea. why would you do that? it's way too soon. you're still processing everything. we're all still processing everything. i don't know about the rest of you and i don't know about you, but everybody i know was experiencing weird things like insomnia and anxiety,

gastrointestinal disorders. [laughing] in fact, a friend of mine who's a doctor washington said it's an election related syndrome known as pierre, south dakota i can say could possible such a short space of time it so soon after this election process all of it for yourself. of course you with the central actor in it so i advised you consistently not to write it and, of course, thankfully she didn't listen to me. so that was very wise on your part and now here we are with this wonderful book. i just am wondering though how did you process it so quickly? apparently this is not involve any therapy along the way. [laughing] >> that's a sign of something.

[laughing] actually it was my therapy to be really clear. lissa has been a friend of mine and a colleague of mine for a long time now, and is a terrific writer, was a great reporter when she worked for the post and other publications. so i take what she says very seriously when it comes to writing, and she did come to see me, like a number of my friends who rallied around, came to support me, just listen to me vent, share their concerns and worries. i had, after the election as you can read in the book, pretty much nothing i wanted to say to anybody. i was so devastated, and it was incredibly painful, and it took weeks of just getting up every

day cleaning closets, , going fr walks in the woods, all the things that i did, to begin to clear my head. but, of course, other people were commenting and writing about the election, and i just didn't think there was a broad enough view, really, and comp understanding, of what it looked like to meet in real time. and what i believed happened. but i wasn't sure at a new it would take a lot of analysis and evidence gathering and, you know, i do kind of belief in fax and -- [applause] so i just began to talk and listen to people, other information, and i think that it

hit me really around the inauguration, people had have d to me about what are you going to do and, you know, when you buy something else? i was still just trying to muddle through. it really hit me that there were these very important issues that needed to be discussed, debated even, that our democracy and country relied upon that kind of self-examination, and i thought, well, i need to know what happened and they need to be as honest, candid, open as i possibly can in order to figure it out for myself, and may be doing it in a book would provide the discipline, the deadline to try to think it through. and so really starting in february i dove in, and i just decided i was going to write it,

and it was painful. i say in the book that i write about something and i would have to go lie down, because it was just so hard to think about the mistakes i made, you know, the missed opportunities. but then it also to come to grs with these other big forces at work that i think had a determined to impact on the outcome. so it ended up being really -- from what people are telling me as i have begun to start to do booksignings and talking about the book, i think it does provide some catharsis and some opportunity a reflection of a lot of other people, too. i'm very happy about that because there are some really important issues we have to come to grips with, and i wrote it not just to see what happened but what we need to do to make sure what happened doesn't

happen again. and that's what i'm going to spend a lot of time on. [applause] >> amen. just to follow-up for a second second on this, how hard it is. as if that you are the central actor, you writing about yourself and it was obviously a mind-boggling experience. you and i share a favorite author in cheryl straight. i do know how many of you have read wild or seen the movie, and you have a quote from her in the book actually and i think i made mentioned to you she once said to me, i asked her how to write about these things that is a deeply personal? she said i write to get to a deeper truth. if i'm not going to be honest with myself, why do i bother to write? but getting to that deeper truth as you have experienced is hurtful, overwhelming, painful, could be said and she had to do with things that are intensely private. i'm just wondering do you censor yourself at all? with are times when words or thoughts, it was just too much

and you couldn't go there? or what did you do to try to get to that next level? >> i ended up not censoring my thoughts, not censoring what i put into the book. i will admit i censored some of the original language i used. [laughing] >> shocks. you should've left that in. >> yes, some of those early venting sessions. i had a great team of people who vented with me, and did research for me and helped me better explain what i was venting about, but i didn't hold back at all on what i saw as my own shortcomings and my deepest disappointments. not just for me obviously but for the country. so it was not censored. it was really candid, and it was something that did help me get to some deeper and bigger truths

about me, about our country, about some of the really difficult forces that we have to face, the concerns i have about i'm sure we'll get into this, everything from sexism and misogyny and race and the russians, you know, just vote suppression. there's a lot there that i was learning as i was writing. because when you're in the middle of a campaign, and i know there are people here who have been involved in campaigns, and for that i thank you, when you're in the middle of it you are so focused on the immediate tasks. you know what the overall goal is, obviously to win, and you got your strategies and tactics lined up, but boy, every day is 18 hours of just the hardest concentration and work trying to move it forward. it's hard to lift your head up. sometimes it's hard to really

understand everything that's happening at the same time. being able to step back a a little, go through it, take it apart, look at it, analyze it and then write about it helped me a lot. >> did you learn anything about yourself that you didn't know? >> you know, i really believe that, i think in retrospect it was a misconception or it was certainly out of sync with the time of which we are living and the candidate i ended up running against. because i did have this idea based on my prior experiences in presidential campaigns really going way back into the late 60s and 70s that it mattered greatly if you could make clear what you wanted to achieve. didn't have to have all the

details, but that it was important to tell people what you wanted to do because then when you were in office they could judge you on whether or not you were fulfilling that commitment you made. so we spent a lot of time making sure that everything i said about policy and how we pay for things and all of that was just bulletproof, because i kept thinking at some point it's really going to matter. and for all sorts of reasons it didn't, and so i think i stayed way too focused on a path that was not the direction that the campaign was having because of the pressures from outside forces, because of the reality tv candidate i was running against. i think i was not as adept or as quick to try to figure out, okay, what is a better way for me to try to communicate this?

these are things that you do the best you can, and you think you are running one kind of campaign and you realize the press is not covering the policy you are putting out every day. they are covering an empty podium. i kept thinking we are still going to break through because people really do care what kind of jobs and infrastructure and healthcare and other things you want to do for them and their families and their incomes, but there was a disconnect. so i learned that i just wasn't, i wasn't as, i think, quick to try to make some adjustments along those lines. >> you also say in the book you developed a new appreciation for big, simple ideas. i think that's part of what you're getting at, isn't it? >> there's a difference. the big simple ideas, i still believed that a big simple idea like were going to raise taxes on the wealthy, that's a big

simple idea. i did have that idea, very much centered in my campaign, but there's also i think an important debate about, in politics today when we have a really intense, quick movement of news and it's very short attention span and social media plays a bigger and bigger part, you know, trying to develop a relationship with the voters or to engender confidence in voters that you know what you're talking about and you're going to deliver because you do understand the complexities may not be as significant as just repeating those big ideas over and over again, and leaving the details for later. who knows though, by 2020 maybe people will want to know details

again and policy again, so you never know. [applause] >> to be clear she's at saint big, simple ideas without details, just outlining every single detail ahead of time necessarily, which i thought that was a pretty interesting observation. just one of the quick thing about what it feels like because you are so revealing in the book about what it feels like to be a presidential candidate. of course you've got constant incoming good, bad, you're trying to assess all sorts of information for all sorts of people all the time. it was interesting to me in the book that you say in a number of places that were times when you wish you had struck back, when you're been criticized or challenged by bernie on wall street and other things, by matt lauer in that really awful interview, by jim comey and then

of course with the jaws imitation by trump on the debate stage, you know. in each of those it sounds like, i i just want site also by the way even though you didn't say it, do you know how much it warmed the hearts of tens of native americans to know that you thought about saying back up, you create? [cheers and applause] but in the situations it was really also it was such a relief to do you think about it. and in the situations are able to do that and you tell yourself constraint or is a collector ia straitjacket at times. what is it that makes it so hard to be able to do that in the situations? i'm sure it has something to do with being a woman but i'll let you enter that. >> i think it does have a lot to do with being a woman, because it's very hard to be perceived

as strong as opposed to aggressive or any of the word you can think of. part of the challenge is how you modulate, how you present yourself in a mature, appropriate way as a woman seeking a job no other woman has ever had. and i write a whole chapter on being a woman in politics, but much of what i say goes for being a woman in business, being a woman any profession. it's not just politics, and i think as i try to describe my thought process up on that stage in the second debate, it was hard. we had practiced what i would do if he invaded myspace, because we kind of assumed he would because he had his own issues that he was trying to push

through at that time. so we knew it, but once you are there and it is actually happening to you in real time in front of, i don't know, 50 million people or something, you are discomforted. you are annoyed. you are a little frustrated that he is stalking you and staring at you. and so i was going back and forth, but i had believed that it's better not to show that kind of reaction in the middle of a presidential debate. and as you might think back, funny gestures, facial expressions, heavy sighs, things really do affect viewers. and i just ended up deleting that in addition to the gender linked aspect of this, there was

a history of people in presidential debates who had deviated in a way to show frustration, anger, dismissiveness, whatever their feelings were, and paid a heavy price for it. and i thought, whatever price they paid, i would pay double or triple. and so i just thought, okay, i'm going, you know, i sort of thought at the end of the day people would say, yeah, we really do want somebody who's calm and composed in the oval office. [applause] so i was aware of all the different crosscurrents, but i carried on in a way that i thought was what a president or somebody who wants to be president should do. >> and you say in the book, and to think you are referring to longer than this campaign that you sort of have to wear your composure like a suit of armor

and that's what you did. >> everybody in this audience knows that feeling that the next day or the middle of of the nit to wake up and say if only i had said that. there always is at that. you do, i thought that, it's the toughest job in the world. it's a job that requires, or at least used to require, a level of -- [applause] you know, curiosity and focus and things that you'd want to think somebody with that responsibility would have. i honestly believed we were in a different kind of campaign, unlike any i've ever seen before i have watched people go up and that in campaigns. i've worked in thin. i was deeply involved obviously in my husbands to campaigns.

i know the ebb and flow of a campaign. this was really different, and i don't think anybody fully grasp how it was a variation on a presidential campaign, unlike any we've ever seen, and by now, looking back, see a lot of different signals about that,, that maybe i could at and my camping could've done a better job trying to figure how to push back on or make more transparent so people would understand, what, i'll tell you what, that campaign of his, they have the best empty podium anybody's ever seen. get people to think it even laugh a little bit about what was happening in that campaign. but, you know, that didn't happen soon enough and it didn't happen and quite enough places. >> did you watch the emmys last night at all? [laughing]

[applause] >> i did, i did. >> many people may know you and your husband are big fans of television dramas and comedies, and if you watched, as i'm sure many of you did, you know "the handmaid's tale" was a big winner, and you and i've actually talked talk about then the past, written in 1985, dystopian work of fiction that of course is now this wildly popular tv series that is about a liberal democracy slowly and very definitively becoming a totalitarian state, which of course is sadly and distressingly resonant at the moment. that whole idea of the normalization of the abnormal is terrifying. by the way, doesn't it just

buggy when people say trump is the, this is the new normal? we should never call it normal, right? we should never say it's not, it's like the new abnormal, not the new normal. but, i mean, seriously, it's terrifying and a hand male tale residence because of that. you do talk a lot about that in your book and from voter suppression from the manipulation of the media to fake news everything else, it would just be an assault on the democratic institutions we rely on that we need to be able to trust. it's scary. >> you of course we'll get to the fake news russia stuck in a minute, but look, part a reason i was motivated to write this is because of what happened at the inauguration, and i write the first chapter about what it felt like to go to the inauguration and what a hard decision it was, but how i thought that it was important to show continuity of

our government. i was certainly hoping to hear words of reconciliation and bring the country together after a very divisive campaign. didn't hear that, and i felt very uneasy about that inauguration. i've been to a bunch of them, and i've been, when people are supported one and people i supported lost, but this was different. this is not a normal inauguration. and then it was made even more surreal with the claims about the crowd size and the introduction of alternative facts. and then i started thinking, woe, this is much more than just transfer from a two-term democratic president to an unusual but, you know, republican president.

and i just couldn't, i couldn't really grasp how big a challenge they intended to pose the facts and evidence and reason. all of which are fundamental to the functioning of a democracy like ours, and so when i saw that -- [applause] i thought this is much bigger than any transfer of residential power that i'm aware of in recent history, because of the assumptions that the new administration was operating on, and the brazenness of their attempt to distort reality and impose their version of facts and truths on all the rest of

us, despite what we saw with our own eyes. that bothered me greatly because, i've said before, if i lost, you know, to another republican candidate, so what else to add emerge from the republican primary, i would've felt bad. i would've been really disappointed, but i wouldn't have worried about the fundamental future of our country, our institutions, our rule of law, and this imperative of reason that motivated our founders in which is still absolutely essential. so i think this became a resident theme with me because you can disagree about policies, you can disagree about all kinds of things, but you can't begin to ship away at the basis of our

governments functioning and our democratic norms without paying a very big price. so yes, in the book, you won't be surprised, i mention "the handmaid's tale," i mention 1984, i mention brave new world. because i want readers to say okay, , i may not agree with everything she says, but you know what, i have to agree with this fundamental premise that we can't sacrifice truth and facts on the altar of partisanship and the desire on the part of a particular president and his administration to control the news, to undermine the first amendment, to just create this alternate reality. because i think the stakes of what we face in this time are

just profound, and i said before and i will repeat it here, i think that this president and the people who serve him on this alternative reality track are posing a clear and present danger to the future of our country. [applause] >> and i think one of the most powerful, clearest, most persuasive chapters in the book is the one about bots controls and russian fake news. you begin that section of the book, i know one of your favorite books is brothers -- and java line from that that begins a section of the book when reason fails, the devil helps. then of course you do talk about

trolls, bots, conspiracy theories, fake news and mike favorite term, , from russia wih no luck. but in all seriousness, this is an incredibly clear connecting of dots based on what evidence is not available. presumably there would be more coming out but anyway, 90 for that because it's really essential to everybody read that. i also, don't have a chance to thank you for something publicly that i would like to thank you for now. how many of you were in washington and what is the infamously known as pizzagate? [applause] and those of you have having to politics and prose on connecticut avenue know that the store is only a few doors down from comet ping pong and you of course were on to this stuff is what is going on on the campaign before a lot of us realize the extent of it, you and i spoke

shortly after the election and you asked, you knew that comet was being targeted. that politics and prose and some of the other businesses were being targeted, and you actually said you were going to speak out about it, for which we were grateful. at the time everybody thought we needed to all kind of lie low for a bit. the day the gunman the governme assault weapon walked into comet unassigned afternoon december 4, about an hour after that you and i communicated and i told you what was going on and you responded instantly and were so supportive, which was incredibly helpful. we were all on lockup of the entire block with police running up and down the streets. and people don't know this, a few days after that you and your husband said what can we do to support comet? can we buy pizzas? you but bought i don't know hoy pizzas but it was a lot of pizzas, and sent them to a literacy program, afterschool literacy program in d.c. which

was never publicized. [applause] and you check in on me a lot because we were not getting with its assembly, ping-pong comet ping pong was but also getting trolled and the whole nine yards against harassment calls. i just can't tell you how important it was for me, for bread, for our entire staff, for i entire block for the people at comet to know that you and president clinton were there for us quietly and nobody noticed site have never had a chance to thank you publicly, and i did want to do that. [applause] so thank you. >> you know, if i could just say the word because were in washington and this horrible chain of events happened here, but this is a terrible example of what can be done by people who are malicious, unacquainted with the treatments pursuing

their own agenda whether it's commercial advantage, partisan advantage or any other goal. for those of you who don't follow it or may not remember it, when john podesta said emails were stolen, i hate the word hacked, they were stolen. they were stolen by the russians -- [applause] and they were then through cutouts given to wikileaks which is nothing more than a tool of putin and the kremlin. [applause] , and certainly people associate with trump knew about it because in august roger stone was tweeting about how john podesta would find himself, you know, in the barrel at some point ahead. so on october 7, 1 of the more instances days -- infamous days

in the campaign, they started with the director of homeland security, the secretary jeh johnson, the director of national intelligence jim clapper saying that, with high confidence they knew the russians had been behind those hacks, those deaths of e-mails. that happen in the morning. then the hollywood access tape broke a few hours later, and within one hour, such an amazing coincidence, wikileaks dump all of john podesta's personal e-mails. if you read those e-mails, i think it's a little embarrassing to admit they vary and a, even boring, but because they were the way that the russians and their allies, whoever they turn out to be, were able to --

[applause] were able to generate constant interest really was two factors. one, they sent the press on these wild goose chases all over the place. here comes 104, here comes a thousand more, oh, , my gosh. and then the other was that they created the illusion of transparency. if you think you're getting something from sort of behind the screens, maybe it's more legitimate even though you're being played by a bunch of russians, and the psychology of it was brilliant and, of course, it's part of the russian propaganda effort, something called active measures which debuts in many of the sentence, not just in our election. you can only go so far with read these e-mails and listen to people as in every campaign you

can imagine the bait at that what to do when and who says what and all of that. so they had to be weaponized. they had to have elements plucked out and perverted in a way that would be hard to imagine, and then sent back out into the cyber virtual world. so when one of the emails, john podesta is talking about pizza. these are italian and greek, i mean, you know. >> and a very good cook. >> and a very good cook. his risotto recipe is still there if you want to see it. [laughing] and after the something very nefarious about that risotto recipe. so all of a sudden john is writing about pizza and what of these really i consider evil people, in the media world and

in the online world, out of whole cloth make up the story that john podesta and i are running a child trafficking ring in the basement of the comet pizza parlor. >> by the way, there is no basement. [laughing] >> you would think people would be laughing like crazy, shaking their heads, but it you migrate that crazy story the facebook posts, the news outlets, there are people who will believe that, including this very unfortunate young man in north carolina who believed it. it was meant to be believed to influence voting. even i had to say i don't believe it was meant to be believed to influence somebody to pick up an ar-15 and drive from north carolina to

washington to liberate the imaginary children from the imaginary basement of the pizza parlor. but in came this young man, believing that he was on a mission, because he saw it on facebook. he saw in other places online. he saw it in quote news outlets, and so he was there on a mission of rescue. people could have gotten killed. he shot his automatic weapon off inside this pizza parlor. the street where politics and prose is was shut down. it was an active crime scene because people who cared more about weaponizing information, making negative stories up, then the truth, then fax, or even public safety, and certainly any

concern about children was nonexistent. they were determined to stimulate, to propagate the attitudes that would grab some people in some states, some congressional districts, some towns and counties so that they would be saying gosh, you know, it hillary clinton and her campaign chairman are doing something like that, they should go to jail. i can't vote for that. that's the worst example, but there are so many other examples that were the same pattern, from stealing to giving to wikileaks, to propagating, to weaponizing into somebodies google google , into somebody's facebook post. and i think it's one of the most serious challenges we face going forward in politics, not just at

the presidential level, but up and down, because if we don't get a handle on information that is not just controversial, protected by the first amendment, but aimed at spreading lies to the extent that they can cause behavior like we saw in this terrible instance, it will not stop. and i'm glad that the congress and others are looking at facebook and twitter and google, because they are the vehicles. one of the first vehicle to deliver this kind of information to people. but i was just terrified for lissa and brad of other employees and everybody on the street, because i could see what the trafficking of that

absolutely horrible information was meant to do, and it got out of hand and we were just fortunate that nobody was injured. >> and it keeps going but the consolation, and there is consolation, is that the outpouring of support from our community was unbelievable for comet, for politics and prose. [applause] people feel tremendous ownership about their communities, and you know, and i might just say, mike pence at the time was living about a mile away in a rented house before he could move into the vice president, we would see her get up and down. did he wants think about coming in, buying a slice of pizza? of course not. but the community has been fantastic, and many of you have, the comet or come to p&p after that, thank you, it really made a huge difference. [applause] i want to be a little lighter for a second you. there's a very funny moment in the book where, when you say

president obama told you, don't try to be hip. you're a grandma. [laughing] just be yourself. and my question, what did he you think, you're going to run off to a sold cycle class or take a xlt course or chia pudding? what was he worried about? >> that are probably so many examples -- >> i'm just wondering. >> president obama, it's okay. >> he was an extraordinarily supportive and helpful friend throughout the whole campaign. he would call me periodically and he would say are you getting enough sleep are you eating well? i would set they can getting enough sleep, i think i'm eating enough. >> he was are you exercising? i would say i think i'm getting enough sleep. [laughing] >> he stayed up with me, he stood up with the campaign.

i can't remember which of the incidence he might've been referring to, but he was always just in my corner and had my back throughout the whole 18 months or nearly two years. [applause] >> so you love words. she is a great writer herself by the way pick you love words. there has been love words. did anybody see president clinton's guest crossword puzzle in "new york times" a few months ago? that was pretty cool. were going to put a little work in that's okay. are you up for this? have you ever heard of again boxers or briefs? >> what? >> boxers or briefs? [laughing] >> you know, like if you're a a guy do you like boxers or briefs? are going to play game can but don't worry you don't have to answer that question. i'm going to give you two words and judges have, without thinking, this book is very revealing but people know now exactly which kind of hot sauce

you like and they know that you do deep breathing and all the stuff so we just couldn't help them out with a few more things. i'm going to give you two words. you are just going to immediately which ever one most suits you are going to answer, okay? ready? >> i do have to say a word about hot sauce first. [laughing] i mean, i have carried hot sauce since 1992. i just want you to know. [applause] >> it is true. >> there were people who were actually accusing me of just making that up. >> it's not made up. >> no, it's not made up, but i do spend probably more time than it should in the book talking about hot sauce. [laughing] anybody want any recommendations, just let me know. >> okay. it's true. for as long as i've known you hot sauce has been in your purse, absolutely true. we can all vouch for her. so are you ready? two words.

this will get progressively a little harder but we will not do too many of them. key or coffee? >> coffee. >> beach or mountains? >> what? >> beach or mountains. >> beach. >> shower or bath? [laughing] >> well, these are all really unfair, and that is particularly unfair. >> these are easy. >> really it depends upon how much time you have. >> that's fine. >> lotteries or yoga? >> yoga. >> vodka or chardonnay? >> again, it depends on how much time you have. [applause] >> history or mystery?

>> all speedy historical mysteries, how is that? >> putin or trump? [laughing] >> yeah, well. i have to take that under advisement for the following reasons. i ran against both of them. [applause] >> excellent. >> i was going to say comey or comey, you also ran against. i think we will take some ideas questions. you guys did great questions, the resilience of them, a lot of them were similar, and first of all lots of people just said thank thank you, and i could go to a lot of cards that said thank

you. [applause] quite a few also related to young people and young women especially and getting into politics. so here's one. here's one that, there are too similar, what advice would you give to a young woman who wants to go into politics? is another one that similar, would you encourage your daughter to enter politics if she were interested but you knew she would experience the same level of sexism you have encountered during your political career? >> let me answer this question in general, , because i would sy the same thing to any young woman who were to ask. i would say, look, even though i write at length about the challenges that women in politics face and point out it's not just me and it's not just democratic women. it is still unfortunately a very tough double standard. i would still say that if you

are willing to enter politics, either as a candidate, as a campaign staffer, as a person in government and public service, because that's how i view the bigger definition of politics, you just have to be prepared and try to have the confidence without being walled off, without being too defensive. it's been easy for me to say, i that all of those things in my public career, but it's a really great experience. and it is important to have more women in politics, and it is important that -- [applause] we all support each other in the

political arena. you know, one of the great quotes that i have loved for years is eleanor roosevelt sang for anyone who enters the public arena she needs to grow skin as thick as a height of rhinoceros. because you will be judged by everything from your hair to your voice to whether you are married or not made, whether you have children or don't have children. so it's a constant gotcha game. you have to be clear about why you're going into politics and what you hope to achieve through your efforts. i say in the book, by pulling the curtain back and talk about how hard it is, i don't want to discourage anybody. i want people to be more aware of it.

so we can call it out for what it is. this is common across every walk of life, and there's a fascinating article in the "new york times" sports section today about women in sports and the grief they take because of their voice. and as somebody who is been called everything when it comes to, well, everything, but i'm speaking particularly about voice, it really struck home with me. you just have to be prepared. you have to have at least a sense of humor to get through some of what you're going to face, but if you're prepared, if you educate yourself, if you are surrounded by good supporters, friends, family, people who can tell you the truth, like lissa start off tomie she thought is a terrible idea for me to write this book, i am grateful for that because she is a friend and

we need friends to play with things a good them with things are not so good. i think it's really important. i've got this new organization called onward together that i started. [applause] and really, the primary purpose is to support groups that are recruiting young people, especially young women, training them, funding them. also highlight, lift up wonderful groups like indivisible which is leading the charge to keep our attention what needs to be, like we've got to stop this latest attempt to repeal the affordable care act that is going on. [applause] so i think there's a lot of good work to be done. >> and onward together truly interesting because that was you and howard dean, you met with howard dean english think outside the box i had to bring young people can get them involved, engaged them, support

them because they know a lot more than people like -- >> it was so great. after the election one of the things that kind of got out of bed in moving again where the stories i would hear your people would call and say there's this new young group that one of your campaign staffers has started called run for something, and it's aiming at recruiting more young people, or there's a group called swing left. they're going to try to flip the house. a group that it worked with before, emerge in america, which has a record of electing women. color of change which focuses on, you know, african-american young people getting them into politics and doing some of that work. so i i felt like there's so muh we can do because at the end of the day, and i just have to say this and hope you will be forgot how we're going to make it happen, everything we do we can

write books. we can speak out. we can go to protest. we can recruit people to run for office, but if we don't get people to vote, starting in virginia and new jersey, and then in 2018 we are not going to turn this around. [applause] .. [applause] >> look, we have the better side of the argument about

how to make the economy grow, be inclusive, lift incomes, provide opportunities. we just have to keep plugging away at it and not get discouraged and we have to keep calling out the other side, whose answer to everything is tax cuts for the wealthy. i almost can imagine a scene in some republican members home and the kid falls down and he says hey, i don't feel good. hey, takes a tax cut for the wealthy and we will wake you in the morning, see how you're doing because the answer is everything, whatever ails you. that's really the inside story of what's going on with this attempt to repeal the affordable care act, it's to free up money for tax cuts to the wealthy. we have to keep talking over and over again and not get discouraged because sometimes we think we make a great argument but it doesn't take

the first time. we have to keep going at it time and time again but we can't be promoting and standing up for economic justice to the exclusion of turning our back on all the progress we've made in moving people forward on civil rights andwomen's rights and gay rights and human rights . [applause] i don't buy this false dichotomy, you can only be for the economy or only be for people's civil rights, that's ridiculous. we want everybody to rise, we want everybody to have a better opportunity and future going forward but let's talk about women for a second because we both care about women, most people here do. heading back to the handmaid's tale, these other big context of the handmaid's tale is how women treat other

women, especially women with power, women with power, with women with who don't have power. women who been marginalized and it can be very cruel the way women treat other women. you've experienced a little bit about yourself, obviously . >> i'm glad you asked about it because i write about this and i'll start with a conversation i had shortly before announcing that i was going to run. and it was with sheryl sandberg, somebody i've known for a long time and really appreciate the work that she's done with lean on, with the research, working with professors at stanford and the university of pennsylvania, marshaling back evidence about what actually happens in women's lives, how we are received, how we perceiveourselves . she said she wished that

everyone who read lean on understood what she thought was one of the major takeaways from that book which was that the more professionally successful a man becomes, he becomes more likable. the more professionally successful a woman becomes, she seems less likable because our stereotypes, our presumptions about what's appropriate and not appropriate are just so powerful. they are rooted in our dna. they go back millennia and so you say to your self okay, if that's the case, then what can we do about it? thesecond point she made , equally provocative is that women are like much more, viewed much more favorably when they are in service to someone else. i was in service to our country and in service to

president obama as a member of his cabinet in his first term. i left the state department with a 69 percent approval rating. i was doing a good job and i was doing a good job cause ... [applause] they could see me standing up for our country, standing beside our president, trying to solve problems. and it was fascinating to me, horrifying but fascinating with how effective it was to just begin to knock that down and to get to the point where gosh, we don't know what we think about her. cheryl made this very clear. she said if you are in service to someone else, you are viewed favorably. in the workplace, if you go to your employer and you say i think melissa should get a raise, she's been working so hard, you get points because you are viewed as somebody

who is a team player looking out for your colleagues . if you say i've been working really hard and i like to be considered for a raise, if you're a woman is held against you, if you are a man , it's not. these are just attitudes that are deeply embedded in how we see women and the public arena. i won the women's vote but i lost the white women's vote i got more white women's votes, however, then president obama got in 2012 . the problem is one that democratic nominees have to contend with, to figure out how to communicate, break through better. i personally believe that i was doing well enough with white women, even republican

white women before the comey letter but it stopped my momentum and it played into the concerns women have about whether they are making a mistake withtheir vote . i started going door to door in politics many, many years ago. and i was always surprised when i would knock on the door and a woman would answer and i'd say i'm here for this candidate and a woman would say i just don't know enough, i don't want to make a mistake. that was my personal experience and taking it to the last month of this campaign, all of a sudden, people are being told you know what? something's going on. they are going to investigate her again or whatever.

we could see that a lot of women in particular turned away. they were discouraged. i don't blame them, they didn't know what to believe. it was outrageous what happened . so you've got to see how women are trying to do what they think of as the right thing for themselves or for their family. they are often under pressure from people around them, lots of anecdotal evidence about that so when a woman runs, you have to work extra hard to convince other women that she can do the job that she is running for. and we've made progress, not enough, in the congress, in the senate, not enough in governors offices but getting people to feel comfortable at the presidential level is still a challenge.

there's it takes in my book that even among democratic women and men, it's not 80 or 90 percent who think they'd like to see a woman president , it's in the high 60s for women, in the 40s for men which is a lot more than it is for republicans, who just have a hard time thinking about a woman in the white house. these are complicated psychological emotional, political, economic issues and if you think there's one answer, you're probably going to be wrong. we have to look at a much broader set of responses and appeals to persuade women to vote for other women and then to try to make solidarity around that. >> one of the nice things in the book is the incredible sense of support you had from your own friends, men and

women but especially women, you talk about your girlfriend and that's been true or ever. you had these friendships that have gone and thank god for that because women come throughfor other women . next question from the audience, and we are coming close to our time but we will try to do these quickly. there's no question but i'm drinking chardonnay with you in solidarity. can you demonstrate our alternate natural breathing? anyway. >> i do highly recommend it, it's not that hard. google it. she's not going to demonstrate it but you get the idea, what has been the most fulfilling part of your life so far ? >> my whole life? >> no, i mean my family and my friends, obviously.

for me, doing work that i believed in and i thought made a difference. iwrite in the book about , i read about my marriage and my husband, i write about my daughter and motherhood, i write about my mother, i write about my friends because at the end of the day, everybody has disappointments. everybody has losses. i viewed this book as much about resilience as about running for president. because for me, having the support and the encouragement that i got from my family during the campaign, certainly in the aftermath and from my friends made all the difference as to how i felt and whether i could start to summon the energy and the commitment to continue to play a public

role on behalf of causes and values that i care about. so i think i'm a very fortunate person and i want others no matter what happens to you in life, to understand that there are ways to get up and keep going and don't give up on yourself. don't give up on your friends, on people you care about. [applause] >> here's a serious question that i think we all are distressed about, what is your advice for federal workers facing the destruction of their jobs especially at epa and state and we miss you. [applause] >> wow, i am so distressed because there's so much experience and expertise among federal employees

across our government and it's been hard one. it has been years in the making. and there seems to be a total disregard, even a contempt on the part of many in this administration for what federal workers know and what they've done and the advice that they can give. the other night i was talking with rachel maddow about this when it came to the state department . and i have such a high regard were so many of the foreign service officers and civil servants that i worked with at alllevels in the state department. and i think about some of the crisis thatwe confront like north korea . people who know thelanguage , the history , have experience in the korean peninsula, in

china and japan, they should be sitting in meetings with the highest levels of this administration, providing advice and information that could be useful on behalf of our country. there is such a disdain though for federal workers so i guess i would say if you can stick it out, stick it out because the tide has to turn and ... [applause] if we can take that one or both houses of congress in 2018, you will have people you can talk to again. [applause] but i know how difficult that is because i know what's happened to people that i worked with in the state department. just really being frozen out and demeaned, mistreated .

so i know it's not easy for me to say this but i don't want us to lose the decades, really, if you add it all up, thousands of years of experience in the epa, in the state department, in the labor department and a lot of the places being targeted administration. so i hope that we can maintain a core of experienced public servants in our government, because at some point, they are going to meet you and the country is going to need you and i hope you arestill there . [applause] >> we are going to have to wrap it up unfortunately. i want one last audience question was what's your favorite flavor of ice cream. >> the hard questions.

my favorite flavor, i guess anything with chocolate in it. but i did want to just say a few more words about the future because that's really what i am most focused on. it was important to figure out what happened in order to be better prepared, and some of it is institutional, some of it is attitude but it can all have an effect on not just our politics but onwho we are as americans . and i'm concerned that a lot of permission has been given to people to be very bigoted, to be prejudiced, to lash out at others based on religion or gender or race and every

other kind of identifying characteristic. so i think it's very important that we not grow weary in standing up for what we see as core american values, not committing the clock to be turned back and people's progress to be reversed . you know, there's a lot to be proud of that the resistance andpeople in the resistance are doing every single day . [applause] and of course, the great contrast that i write about between the inauguration on a friday and the women's march on a saturday ... [applause] and holding the line on repealing the affordable care act and

saving insurance for millions of americans, it's a really big deal and there are ways for everybody to play a role, not everyone will start an organization or run for office, but everybody can be sure you, your friends, everybody you know is registered tovote. you can be sure that if you have a free weekend, you can canvas and this year in virginia or in new jersey . you can start looking to see strategically where your vote will count the most, because in the 2018 election, there are going to be some very competitive seats. i 124 congressional districts that have a republican member of congress in them and so thinking hard about how you can support people who stick their next out and decide they are going to run, going online to combat untruth and

attacks and vitriol. being one of those people who is standing up and tweeting back or posting something on facebook or making it clear that people are not going to be given a pass if they are promoting falsehoods and personal attacks and really horrible positions whether it's white supremacy or neo-nazis or ku klux klan, whatever it might be, that we are not going to let that go unanswered, because it's critical that people have a sustained commitment to taking our country back in the way that we believe it is at its best, in order to have the kind of future that we believe is possible, and no one has more of a stake in that than young people. so for me, i'm going to spend a lot of my time supporting

young people, talking with young people, encouraging young people to understand the power of their vote, which is still a great unrealized opportunity in americanpolitics . and to keep having cross relationships that across every line that is meant to divide us instead of liberate them and to lead integrated, full lives with each other and to be kind of the rebuke to those that want to divide us and undermine us. i'm very optimistic. at the end of the day, at the end of my book i talk about love and kindness and that we talked about a lot about in the campaign which is something that was my attempt to respond to the site of

some of the rallies on the other side. the veins bulging in the next and the yelling and the pushing and even the violence . come on. that's not who we are, that's not who we should be. at the end i talk about what i think we can do and should do going forward. and at the end of the book, i'm optimistic because i really believe that we always summon up the energy and get ourselves focused right and keep moving toward that more perfect union. and i do everything i can to help get there. [applause] and i start the book with harriet tubman, keep going with who's been a favorite of yours, this book is in some ways a collection of your favorite sources of inspiration, quotes and i thought that first of all,

thank you for not going quietly into the night. >>. >> i wanted to, >>. [applause] i wanted to say that none of us, none of us can afford to go quietly away . we need our voices, we need our energy. and yes, i really do believe it takes a village or in this case it takes a country to get us back on the right track area and its very consistent with my belief that we have to bring people together to work together and to, this children's version of it takes a village which is intended to say you know what? we all have to work together

and maybe you think it's politically correct, i think it is america at its best you. >> so we're not going to go anywhere, we're still going to be here and still fighting and still moving. >> and let me just add end with a couple of quotes, by using your voice, by writing this book, by beingwho you are, supporting onward together , you are a model for a lot of people who either with and i want to end with a few quotes, you include in your book i think we can all turn to as we resist incest and persist and list. nelson mandela, the greatest story is not ever falling but in rising every time you fall. pope john xxiii, concern yourself not with what you tried and failed but what is possible to do.

there is only the trying, ralph waldo emerson, life goes on. here's the best one and we will end on this one and this one is most appropriate for this evening, most appropriate for you and what you've done for thiscountry . and will for the next 25+ years. from maya angelou. still i rise, thank you all very much for coming. >>. [applause] >>. >>. [applause]

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presented in november. >> at all this holiday weekend, three days of c-span2's tv, television for serious readers. for a complete schedule visit booktv.org. >> what we saw in the trump campaign was this long-standing tension between kind of conflicts within a capitalist economy, between big guys and little guys and so on and as a candidate, trump got a lot of mileage out of picking the side of the smaller folks and that might be workers who have lost jobs or it might be companies that are on the smaller side and can't compete with thesebig global interests . as president, we see a little bit of a shift in that too somewhat more traditional conservative positions which are quite in favor of global trade and the export import

bank and these things.i think it is a great example, it's also an example of something that to be honest, runs throughoutamerican business in industry which is conflict between business interests . i think we have a tendency in the kind of way we talk about the politics of business today to assume that the major conflicts are between business and nonbusiness, business and society or the public interest movement or the environment or workers. and while those tensions are real, there's a lot in a long history of different industries, vying with each other, trying to use the government as a sort of tool to secure their own benefit. in this book for example i take the story all the way back to the colonial period when you had debates between sort of the jeffersonian farmers who wanted free trade across the atlantic and clashing with people like alexander hamilton who wanted

to protect northern factory owners through carrots and other legal actions. in a lot of ways we see similar debates today, little businesses or smaller interest versus global ones. >>. [inaudible conversation] good afternoon everyone. i am delighted to welcome you here today on our first session of this fall season, the washington history seminar that teaches one of the leading historians of international relations, party westside who will be presenting on his just