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surveillance with the fisa inin particular we have sean vitka from demand progress so remind our viewers what demand progress is and your action what they do and how they are related. >> it is to arms so demand progress is part of the same arm. >> what is the work you are involved in?. >> i served as counsel across the country we are active on that neutrality and surveillance issues in particular mass surveillance something we have dedicated time to. >> remind us to where it comes from. >> section seven '02 is the of fisa amendment that

passed in 2008 to allow for the programmatic surveillance of targets intended for those other overseas and not u.s. persons but today the debate is americans that are swept up in a surveillance we know it is a large number and what people will bader except that. >> why don't we know the exact >> you'll remember we have from the government comes from 2011 with 250 million communications per year. so the reason weav don't have a cleaner never so those number of americans that are affected that they refuse to produce estimates or accounts of those who are affected by this.

that day would come up earlier this year and those are the directors. they decided to walk off the deal. and asking how many americans they are spying on. >> and congress wants to read new parts of this it is on the table. >> section 702 how broad based it is with the sunset we saw that two years ago with section 215 that congress sporadically designed it should be reauthorize or it can continue. it is a very broad range. we are fighting for a number of these reforms is the of

back door search to collect these hundreds of millions of communications and the governments are geared looking specifically for americans. some large number of that includes american institutions. >> and then they sent a letter to congress with the reformers you have been pushing for zero days it has been justified on the back of national security. into disproportionately targeted people of color for social change.

and with the court issued a warning with 325 million people and democrats on capitol hill. >> and under president obama there was the impulse to say we trust that nobody should feel that way under president trump. this was to remindnd congress that and though kay was targeted we still have major questions with environmental activists. and ever since the beginning of this country but. >> and those defenders to

save the heritage foundation of those benefits specifically of 702. >> that has enabled us to have a cybersecurity perspective. we could not generate from the u.s. intelligence committee from 2016 with regards without this authority not have that same level of respect to cyberactions as well as directeded against u.s. structure. so why is this so valuable? for how uniqueness is and the fact it generates

actionable impact. and take them off the battlefield for those that would do harm to those fellow citizens we get health station -- we could generate huge insights with cybersecurity. this is why 702 is so valuable with unique information we cannot get back and it is the volume of the information that makes it such a powerful tool that is why we feel so strongly. that it is the nation's best interest to continue with that statutory authority that we think is in our nation's best interest. >> guest: what he pointed

outt of that what americans think the bret is stunning that is what he is championing but on the other side we're not asking them to cut off all, access they cannot use legitimate security purposes but with and tighter domestic communications under a law that was authorized people to not except those practices. >>. >> you can check the amount on line the for the next 20 minutes we will take your calls and questions as we talk about of a government surveillance lot teeeighteen coming up.

york you are up first go-ahead. >> caller: i think if we go back to president eisenhower when he with well-worn desk of the military industrial complex there is a problem we hear about terrorist and the money the u.s. spends bombing of the nation's with atomic bombs. what is going space that some call it criminal or a traitor? or those that say he is not a journalist but the whole russian and podesta and it is

incredible. of the u.s. media thinks tusis period but the u.s. media is what we were warned about and what eisenhower warned us about. is all disconnected. >> do you have a question?. >> what about the most recent department of defense statements that the empire is falling that we have to start a warr somewhere? i think fisa let it expire the patriot act should also expired the you agree?. >> we do support expiration some of the abuse we have seen is problematic the news

report was taken from a fisa court opinion it determined whated the nsa suffered from. there is not enough trust to continue. >> with chelsea manning how much to they play into that debate from right now?. >> we actually do or had information that suggested a lot of things were going space and then to show up with the fis said court documents that severity was known but these people predate snowden by many years. but since then it has become more standardized and on the

other side is -- on the other side of that coupled with the mass surveillance program we have evidence tens of millions of adults are changing there online activity for americans were acting differently. that is a massive problem. >> north carolina said democratic line. >> caller: good morning. they constantly say they only theyt never looked at the contents of their not violatingri rights but then they say if america has committed a h crime them by law they have to reply -- reportrt that how did they know americans committed a crime if they don't listen to the content? they try to

bamboozle people thinking the only speed up your phonee number but not listening to the information the late to now doing it cry is to have some content. >> there is a lot of different ways they can surveil a person that the metadata distinction showed up at great length over section 215 which is also foreign intelligence they successfully argued unfortunately that they had the ability to collect every phone record in a the country and they were reauthorize and that every 90 days thatth is standing in the initial snowden

revolution that was metadata under 702 it is everything. constant communication and horse getting that and under 702 what those particular reforms is limited to major information is not a cent for criminal purposes. the traditional norms apply. and in particular for people on u.s. soil better just not under the practice. >> you mention the fisa court?. >> is a secret court that

the government has to get reauthorization but the problem with the fisa court that is one conversation but what we see on the other side is that they don't function particularly well. so that report that i mentioned documents over a decade to say something that is wrong. there were instances we identified where we raise fourth amendment issues that the end of the debris could substantiate that to collect information that the fisa eventually would be unauthorized.

>> the independent line go ahead. >>. caller: let me say this. for that edward snowden employee that he broke the law administration broke article four of the bill of rights. with all those wars through the cell phone or the homopolar the laptop was the special tv. but then they know that the government will be trade s -- the tray of us. >> if it was important to remember is that number.

that 30 percent of people all change their line with online behavior. with those with the pds pages so a few mnuchin yemen or al qaeda that could be an indicator of something. that is why we go to with the pds to find those corollary pages then there was a 22% drop in traffic for girl the moments that you worry about the government looking at you for the wrong reasons is a problem and across society it doesn't matter 1% but there will be another 20% that is sorry how they interact online to exercise their rights as americans. >> do you consider edward snowden ao? hero?.

>> we deal with a fax and the issue that makes it very difficult to deal with facts and they get is a huge problem he revealed what we know but the fact he did it for his reasons isn't material the problem is government is buying:millions of americans. caller: hello mr. sean vitka i agree i of an 81 year-old republican i heard those democratic talking points to realize you were doing a great job for them. but my problem is with the people who own these conversations what is the secretary to the u.n. doing with those people? with

that damage trying to be inflicted but like you talk today you have a hard time getting a single republican vote because he is the same talking points. if jesus christ is on the republican ticket they would be accused him of being a racist but he is not. anybody that knows trump nose and he doesn't have a racist bone in his body. >> guest: but i do say he has authoritarian tendencies and i don't think there is a lot of doubt about that but in an event i could be pretty responsive that we were out there with president obama if we fought democrats and republicans on issue. >> it is demand progress.org

online news said what is the response?. >> such republicans are the best privacy champions in congress some attend an incredible job over time nbc what we don't otherwise see to see bipartisan there are very few issues may be some people are more concerned about president obama maybe they are more concerned about presidentde trump and i am happy to explain that also are the representatives like john the list. >> we have heard the term unmasking what is that. >> guest: and a certain

context the government will mask information that they determine proactive this doesn't happen with all the intermission with those that come in each year that the government goes through all of that. but with the reporting is out to other agencies they will redact or mask information. when it ismp important to understand the underlying context agency can unmasks that. >> i'll think we have the information to say if the ambassador was thean problem and that is where congress should look.

>> we have a few more calls with sean vitka the next call on the republican line from illinois. >> caller: good. morning. regarding the unmasking of michael flint what about the department of justice prosecuting if the obama administration in was guilty?. >>. >> guest: i am a little confused. if somebody did something wrong, yes. but what happens? when it ends up in criminal court that is a problem if it shows up in secret this

something they can stand up for. and dad is the ability to defend himself and to challenge the government's case. if the government shows up in the amounts were introduce evidence of that compromises the case of bad is the integrity issue at the heart of your question. we need to make sure 702 is ending up in court and is properly noted that have a right too privacy. on the flip side they shouldn't be. in a case like michael flynn that somehow 702 is involved i don't know enough about michael flynn right now.

>> on the republican line. >> caller: i do agree of the unfair government spying and people without due process. but i do think it is fair to say trump has authoritarian tendencies but i would like to know what the police have been doing? i heard that they also use this analogy sometimes to listen to phone calls locally. >> guest: the first part about president trump i just wantt, to put one thing out here.

it should be enough for concern for everybody and if he has authoritarian tendencies we don't want them to have power this serious or invasive for broad. but local police there isn't a lot to say with 702 in relation to local police. it is then filtered down to very domestic issues but that is it necessary with the biggest concerns lie. but is whether or not it shows up ted court but there are massive surveillance problems going on across the country due to localoc law-enforcementa that is a whole different issue but stingrays don't have a lot of rules of the road right

now. we know that a number of locale -- localities possess the device so with your phone goes to a provider access the closest so that they connect to a dusty gray. i think that is what people don't realize. whether or not you need a warrant to use that order to articulate is a big question because if you don't have protection local law enforcement is doing with this technology. >> so as to bring it back to capitol hill as the reauthorizationor moves forward explain what is on the table. is a possible the fisa act

could be authorized with new changes? or how would that be for? five years?. >> wee' look anywhere between four and six year reauthorization. without a sense that is extraordinarily unlikely very few want to champion the message. everybody notices massively in different that is why one of the reasons even those that are much more hawkish are still supportive of a sunset. those adults think the house of for percentages would support i don't think they would put the question is what reforms come out of the process?. >> looking at this issue available on the web site

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