my position on that issue. i'm going to support marriage equality. i love obama. i'm going to support hillary clinton. i know what she's saying when she talks about people being sexist. getting a message like i can't believe how they are treating her. i use this as an example, because we all have people in our lives that have different views or savings that i never thought about it that way. i'm like, i know you didn't. that's why we are having this conversation.

>> >> if the mind will change we with from slavery to be sitting on the stage discussing my opinion.

i was not a person and those are my ancestors so obviously we can change people's minds it is painful but i have to have some modicum of optimism. [applause] spee liquidated the united states and one of my biggest challenges has become close friends with those that our different from me. a and field that is a challenge even with a minority that occupies those categories i feel that's we live such a difficult lives in one direction to feel a

in deal with those troubles all listen me actually care those specific people that we've of in those specific ways so for me is to organize around issues like black lives matter, or women's issues to form those individual relationships for those who challenged you and question you and who pushed back because with your pointed you to consistently be challengechallenge d in such a way that you can be changed as much as you change the other person.

so that is an aspect to key into specific political issues and ways that people think. >> this is part of the last. [laughter] everybody has touched on the dialogue to integrating feminism in your life and those need to be together. i feel very lucky i get to added this feminist online magazine because i have learned so much from all of these different writers from these perspectives that they

bring so i get to listen and i have learned so much black lives matter and trans right so i feel i am part of a dialogue but i also bring that to our readers citing we have one of the best dialogue on abortion rights from the mainstream feminist magazine so we are very small and independent but we can do whatever we want we are independently owned so we can get that out there. so to take:and have a fresh

perspective to have shot part of the conversation so in that sense to have that dialogue but also to bring new people into that conversation and the movement and touche support candidates on every level. a lot of people who have moved to read counties and start small and that is that we begin starting with the school boards and city council and so this is how the team party did it to gain power so to borrow a couple of pages from their playbook but this is how it

has to be done. but i find you have to get out on the streets. i do find a the dialogue if you are not listening you will not get anywhere. you will not learn anything if you will just add nate with intersection of feminism has come to a crisis. and to just be in clusters. [applause] >> we will wrap this up, i will let you know, there

are books for sale outside in the auditorium they will signing of books on stage. they explore coming and also to move the authors for their hard work of the book and all of the contributors. [applause] [cheers and applause]

>> booktv odds espn2 is in las vegas at the in annual freedom fest convention. joining us now is off 39 who is with sceptic magazine off 39 "skeptic" viewing the world with a rational eye" and michael shermer has a new one coming now. so in your courage book you right to those of us that practice skepticism for a living we tiptoe around those pc police that truth is relative. who are they?. >> it is a reflection of my

scientific american s.a. when i originally wrote those words but as we have seen with the campus protest going on interrupting those speakers in to take them off the platform justin the last two years it is crazy. so it is the of regressive laughed when it comes to those values that we cherished with values of the individuality, freedom of speech and freedom of expression for ago many of these our fault -- forms of

patriarchy, bigotry, racism in and ways to control other people. instead of controlling the mass autochthonous people with their own rights, then they come to believe people are members of groups competing for power. is like the old form of marxism instead of class warfare is gender warfare or race warfare for your transgendered. it is a competition of groups. mostly college campuses but they see that to play in the real world. so this is not acceptable. fuel like what somebody says then come up with a better idea or don't go to the speech but the atf to shut down the speech because the words of what they say that

the words can harm people so they go to most extreme version with the edward -- n word but if you disagree with anything they and it is a form of violence so i should either shut you down or physical violence where we saw charles murray he was a liberal and they attacked him. i am very concerned about the future of our country. they are our future leaders. >>. >> i defy in science and a more broader sense so with any attempt to find the cause and effect

relationship the physical world or the biological world and with the moral arc the was the same thing that newton did daddy is the of principle universe is governed by what we can understand. so with the industrial revolution so then to publish those findings put it that people and all the founding fathers are what we would call scientist there really wasn't used to the 1860's but natural philosophers they designed the country to be in an

experiment. we have 50 different states, 50 different constitutions, of laws, different forms of taxation and gun-control is the experiment we camlet get the data and see the results and adjusts the next experiment called the election. that is a form of a social science so i see all this stuff that we talk about in freedom fast is really a moral or social science. >> host: the process of critical feedback is the lifeblood of science to begrudgingly say i was wrong. >> most of us are wrong about what we believe in then to engage with other

people knowledgeable people that disagree with you. but if you are in the echo chambers if they only believe let you believe. if you are a liberal we all do this but every once in awhile read the op-ed if you are the liberal justices see whether it is about for a good you cannot defend your own beliefs and how strong is your position to begin with? it is a way to check your own belief and you could actually be wrong. solely see what we're doing is a form of science. it depends on other people testing the hypothesis. and what we want to be true

but they may not be per your leeway to find out is to ring gauge with other people >> host: in your book "skeptic?" you write you want to start c-span for science?. >> yes. we kind of have some of that since i wrote that with a history and discovery channel they do some science but they are reading striven so they will steer toward conspiracy theories or the ufo or area 51 and start to look like alex jones. [laughter] but reality doesn't get as good of rating so maybe we need c-span for science id get would sell because science is school. >> are you not a believer of area 51?.

>> it is real. it exist it is a military base with a test experimental aircraft for short is true but the beavers think they engineer alien spacecraft but of course, we will not find out they will not let us end of we go down the dirt road at some point there is at gate so i cannot prove there is not alien spacecraft that can prove that there is. so we have a logical conclusion of course, government keeps quiet about national security that is true with the conspiracy theory talks about lying about what is really going on. yes. but so what that does it mean aliens have visited were there is a conspiracy theory but keep in mind the difference between positive

and negative evidence i cannot prove the negative but to claman say that there are that is not for me to disprove that. >> host: michael shermer is there a debate about creationism?. >> with those fundamentalist christians with the vast majority of people in most religions except that. budget it is really only the evangelicals primarily of the fundamentalist of the younger creation with other variations of ideological evolution of god creating life. okay. fine with everything is behind the laws of nature they are true or not

regardless of your religion. reality existed you wanted to be there or not. >> but does that be brought up a little in the press?. >> it comes up every once in a while akin kentucky they had a creation museum that i have been to last year they opened the other part with a reconstructed a life-size version of dollars are. unfortunately he got some state money from a religious institution which is a violation of the government or state governments are not allowed to support financially certain religions and you cannot do it so now it makes it seem like it is a big gain but for most it is not.

>> host: does this lead to your next book coming out january 2018?. >> that actually came about initially writing about utopia because why do they always feel? people have a longing for a place to be. even here on earth to engineer the perfect society that everybody is happy forever. that is what eutopia means. from the original characterization. so to radicalize the extension were to have yourself frozen or two in junior your genome or to

upload your mind into a computer to live forever. this is the realm of science fiction but no longer now there are many groups working toward this and funded by silicon valley venture capitalists. google has a whole company devoted hundreds of millions of dollars to treat e.g. like the engineering problem to be solved. i don't begin will happen in my lifetime. i am 62 but when they say don't you want to be 500 years? just get me to 90 without cancer or 100 without alzheimer's or 100 ted without tubes so just solve one problem at a time.

let's not aimed 10,000 years old what do you do? how many marriages? romney careers?, down. just work on one little problem right here. baby boomers are hitting the ball here comes. i applaud that. do it diorite there but do not offer something that is not realistic. >> is any proof?. >> no evidence of afterlife with science most religions agree but they do not agree with each other as their different scenarios but there is also the problem of how bad is copied and resurrected in to another format is in heaven so how does this work? nobody has

a good explanation so i emphasis heaven or not after this life we should make this life count the most because the idea we are in the staging area before the next life for the action is you will miss out on the importance of things here and now. thinking about the hereafter do not miss the here. this is important every interaction. these things matter now. >> when you post your columns what is the biggest critique?. >> if i write about climate change i get criticism from climate skeptics from the with religion that is sensitive. the most mail was about an

experience that my wife and i had on our wedding day it appeared there her grandfather who was once dead in his radio came alive instead to play beautiful old music and the juror will be left it in a play all day and all night then it went dead on the day of the wedding. i cannot explain it it doesn't mean paranormal but it is okay to say that was up pretty special unusual and i will enjoy the experience. >> host: what was your wife's reaction?. >> she was emotional she felt he was there. that isn't the point but symbolically he was and she was touched. we were in california she

had no family there she is from germany and felt she had family. most people who had similar experiences. some of those were incredible stories. so i say enjoy the of mystery just because i am science that doesn't mean i cannot appreciate the mystery it is possible there is another life nobody knows everything so keep an open mind so enjoy the experience >> host: why are you back freedom fest?. >> i have no the director for a long time and largely a lifelong libertarian but the label itself has become so bloated with baggage i hesitate to use it because

if they say rand paul? i am not sure i agree with all of that but in general i believe free-speech, civil liberties and your right to your own choices that is the essential core of our moral theory with the constitution and the of bill of rights and those are the things that we would call them classical liberal and that has taken on a whole new meaning different from the original use. the classical liberal or libertarian the most people support those beliefs michael shermer author of the book "skeptic?" viewing the world with a rational eye" coming out january 2018 is heaven's on earth.

. >> wed you think made them stand out? the lot of that had to do with the early years which were not great. get very difficult relationships of almost every investor that he had and he created a lot of trouble really and then say i cannot believe there is trouble.

so for me to be motivated by rage that is hard but it is very different. >> i don't think necessarily , well i don't know of their rage accounted for his success a thing there was a period of time that had been a more controversial statement but he is a stubborn persistence and relentless person but the part of the story that i think it is interesting is he was part of this company that went complete the belly up mitt was before and after but less successful and failed even more quickly but

the next company with that technology intended to be legitimate and it took forever to get going and was down to one person and ultimately he sold it that nobody would even consider a lot of money. . . . . i love all these references.

>> you could argue i did a book on aol. >> not to take away from him, but the idea was an important one. it wasn't around when they started operation, so he was the founder. next on booktv "after words" discussed sexual harassment in the workplace interviewed by