your followers to a point that when you invoke them, and see their cortex activate because there is something just disgusting about them, you are 90 percent of the way toward pulling off your successful genocide. the key to every good sort of genocidal movement is taking them and turning them into being such infestations and malignancies and whatever that they hardly even count as human anymore. quincy forms this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> my name is lissette mendez the program director at the book fair. this case place in downtown miami at the campus of miami-dade college.this year we have a little over 545 authors representing every genre. anything that we can think of we are representing. >> joined booktv for the miami book fair live for miami-dade college saturday and sunday,

november 18 and 19 on c-span2. >> shelby steele, your most recent book called "shame: how america's past sins have polarized our country", where did that come from? >> i wrestled with the title for a long time on this book. there are many different themes in this book. i could not find that sort of single thing. with my wife's health, i fondly came around to the word shame. it seemed to bring together all of the things i was trying to work with. and -- >> was the central theme you were going for? >> the idea was that america arguably, the greatest country in all of history, also commit one of the greatest ends, perpetrated that sin over centuries. dehumanized and entire race of

people. relentlessly. you're in and year out for a very long time. so it is a profound evil amidst stunning greatness.and so now, i think that is what finally delivered us from what we were doing wrong. but on the other hand, it is a shame that we will now have to deal with. and so it is, maybe we are still close to the 60s when we first acknowledged this shame to understand its importance. i think it is one of the most important events in all of american history certainly. how in the society believes in freedom, grounded in freedom, deal with having -- the book looks at different aspects of that irony. >> in my reading of it, the shame belongs to the 1960s

liberal movement in your view. and that is what has caused our current political solar equation. >> yes, thank you. >> is that a fair assumption? >> in the 1960s, american liberalism changed and took responsibility for dealing with that and saying in effect, we are the politics, the ideology that will redeem america. bring back america legitimacy as a democracy. that is our mission. and liberalism has i think, dominated american politics. for the last 50 or 60 years. simply because it took propriety over this terrible shame and said we will save america from it. and we will end racism and will and sexism and we will overcome all of us things and we will

have great societies and war on poverty and will redeem them and ring them up to par with anyone else. we will correct that in it will really restore legitimacy as a free society. >> and in your book, the n-word is used pretty liberally. >> yes, i guess so.>> would you say that some people, some groups -- they did on this as we want to be but they co-opted the word. >> yes. >> for their own political purpose. >> yes. we took it over and almost made a romance around it. sort of a scribe to that word a kind of power and a truth that

had never been before. their argument, this is certainly common for minorities in america. for the last 50 years, since the 60s. now you have admitted all that you did and we now demand in the name of what we suffered, that empowers us, that gives us an entitlement to special considerations in america right now. and so, that word was a part of a theme that contributed to that larger point of view. power and victimization. >> why do you include the story of your swim team and quitting the swim team in this book? >> i included that story and

the story that i was the only black kid on the swimming team and i was the captain of the team and the coach and i were very close. but in the summer before my senior year, he had a three week summer vacation for the entire team at his mother's home in upper lake michigan. and he never invited me and i was excluded. not mean in any way but i just ãthe team organized around without me knowing anything about it. this wonderful time there were going to have on the lake and i was never told about it. the implication there is that he collaborated with racism. he was my friend. he was a good coach, we liked each other. but he wasn't, his mother said no blacks can come and so he

honor that. and he plotted with the parents of the other swimmers and so forth so that did not happen. he was a metaphor of america. he knew better. he liked me. i liked him. i babysat for him. and yet, he collaborated in a way that was certainly at the very least cool. but sending a message that larger america that there was something unacceptable about me. and he claimed he was unable to see that. what i think he was. and so, i talk about him as this is the situation of the sort of profound hypocrisy that america is now in. america is now looking at

minorities. as my swimming coach looked at me. and when he got mad he called me every name in the book and said i was all of this. i was very calm because i knew he was wrong and he knew he was wrong. and america now stands humble, apologetic, begging for some relief from the stigma of racism. and that is minority power, that is the power of minorities. this is american life now for 50 years. and so that little incident of quitting the swimming team, and i did not quit the swimming team because it that he excluded me. i grew up in segregation. i'd seen it all the time. i would be here all day talking to all of the incidents. but i knew that he was compromised.

and so that is what it ended up amounting to. >> what was your parents life like in 1940s chicago? >> my parents are two very exceptional people.i'm going to write about them in the future. my father was black from the south, taught himself to read and write, my mother was upper-middle-class white from ohio and daughter of a contractor and had her masters degree from the university of chicago. they were very different. once you get to know them, you saw that probably was my father was better read and spend more time reading and then my mother. but they for them, life was, they were exceptional people in that they knew and had no

illusions about the fact that there were going to have to fight. and they did it without ever complaining, without compunction, they were founding members of the quality, i grew up with what they called a core baby.i marched all through childhood and demonstrated and that was what i came out of. they lived their entire lives fighting for civil rights and they were true. admirable people. >> were they wrong? >> they were not wrong, they were right. and this is, it points to something i think important. they were not wrong. in their day, this was a deeply blanket lee racist society.

i grew up, i could not go here, i could now go there. we never ate the restaurant until i was 17. on the swimming team. because blacks cannot go to a restaurant, you could not get a job there. segregation was everywhere. they were fighting a real concrete unapologetic enemy. in american society that said listen, you're going to stay inferior. you will be treated that way, forget about it. or like william faulkner said, you are probably right but go slow. will you know, obviously had never heard of patrick henry. you know give me freedom or give me death. well, my parents said give me freedom or give me death. there were never apologetic. they fought to the bitter end. and so, i grew up seeing all of

that and it certainly have an impact on who i became in the long run. but they were, now many, 50 years later, america is a different place. america is not racism or racism is no longer stopping the dreams and hopes of any black person in american life. you can do anything you want. you can be the president, you can be the ceo, you can be a dishwasher, you can be anything that you choose to be in america today. does that mean that every white person is going to love you? i don't know and don't care! what's important is that you have the opportunity. the opportunity is what it's all about. the civil rights movement today is very different than back then. they are not fighting against a real enemy that is going to stunt their lives with bigotry.

they are fighting are basically for their rewards. for the manipulating white guilt. they are using the story of black chevy to integrate the larger society into entitlement and we have a generation of black leaders who do nothing but shake the major american corporations. this is not in the civil rights movement of my time. this is not the one i grew up in. it is very different. >> what is your connection to stanford university and the hoover institution? >> i am a senior fellow at the hoover institution at stanford university. which has always, i have always been very happy about this. a great institution, great people there. great environment and colleagues and it meant everything to me and to my work and has facilitated that.

i am a fan. [laughter] >> this is what come your 10th or 15th book? >> not that many but there are some that were kind of here and there. but it is probably the fifth book i have written on racial matters. >> shelby steele has been our guest on booktv. "shame: how america's past sins have polarized our country". doctor shelby steele, one final question. i know you are here at freedom fest, is there a specific reason? >> yes, there is. i have a son, shelby eli steele. he is a documentary filmmaker and has a new film out that he is showing here called i am :

how jack became black. jack is his son and he talks about the story of taking him to school the first dancing he had to identify his primary race. when he could not go to school. here in the united states of america. that is how the film opens. and it explores, it explores all of that controversy. and i think it shows the essential correction of identity politics. why it doesn't work, why it helps people that it wants to help. >> thank you for your time. >> i am here to see that and cheer him on. >> sunday night on "after words". >> it is imperative me because i had a platform and if this is my 15 minutes and here i am. i am here today, i am not speaking on behalf of the fbi or on behalf of any intelligence agency. i'm not speaking on behalf of anyone but myself. but i would like to say that i hope and pray that i am

speaking from the half of the millions of most americans and 1.7 billion across the globe that do not think radically. i want them to feel comfortable, to stand up and say that is not the religion. that is what is being worked by al qaeda and isis. they're not the only ones with a voice. >> muslim american federal agent -- requested to remain anonymous talks about his experience writing domestic terrorism in america with his book american radical, inside the world of an undercover muslim fbi agent. he is interviewed michael german, author of thinking like a terrorist. inside former fbi undercover agent. watch "after words" on c-span2's booktv. >> tonight at 8 pm eastern, the news host brial kilmeade gives a look at the war of 1812. and then at nine the critics of vladimir putin have been killed

that came to power in russia. on booktv's afterwards at 10 pm, was an american federal agent discussing his experiences fighting domestic terrorism and we wrap up our primetime programming at 11 o'clock with joanna newman who recounts the women of new york social elite who join the suffrage movement in the early 20th century. that all happens tonight on c-span2's booktv. 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend. television for serious readers. now, here is brial kilmeade on "andrew jackson and the miracle of new orleans". we are pleased to welcome everyone to the auditorium this afternoon. those joining us on the heritage.org website as well as in the future on c-span booktv. for those in-house we would ask the courtesy to see