her as well. so those interviews are coming up this afternoon. several events still at chapman hall with the authors are talking, that includes les standiford, the historian, and novelist but his book is called the man who invented christmas about charles dickens. and also martin boutin and kurt andersen will be talked about their books as well. all live this afternoon we got a couple of other interviews here on our set including one with the present america of spelman college. her book is called why are all the black kids sitting together? that's a coming up this afternoon. the miami book fair is not just this weekend. it's a weeklong event. we are down here for the weekend, but during the week they of authors commit such as the bush twins and donna brazile, former chair of the dnc whose new book is called

"hacked." she spoke your earlier this week, and we will show you just a portion of it right now. >> so i just finished the book. you didn't even sign up for me. >> i will sign it today. >> i'm not even making a line. and you know, the book may be a little sad. the book made me a little sad because i have a lot of this. as your friend, as your assistant, as a cnn colleague, as a political activist, as an american. and the threat of democracy that the 2016 elections had meant, i think it's something that when i read about in pages it just makes me so sad. if you go to a chronological order, but also maybe sad because i i lived through this

with you, a lot of it. the seth ritchie murder. >> you were with me. >> the death of your dog. >> loved him. >> the loss of your job at cnn, which was a family for you. >> yes. >> the loss of the election. the loss of friends. >> yes. >> and so i think that the lesson has been hard for you, and i heard a lot of pain and a lot of grief in your voice in this book. so how are you doing? [laughing] >> how are you doing now? >> stop. the last time you were down you lost an election. [laughing] >> that's true. i did dance across that stage it because i thought i had it i thought i could do the job. i thought i was ready to do the job. i didn't want the job. i got the job because the party

was hacked. as result of the hacking and the release of, the selective release of certain e-mails, i took the job when debbie step aside, , i step back up. i'm still a little disappointed people are outraged by the fact we had a foreign government interfere in our elections. i leave it in real time. i saw it in real time. and yet a year ago people called me quote-unquote crazy. they're calling me crazy again. >> i think you've gone crazy, but go ahead. >> next time since you are my friend, next time i take a job that doesn't pay money, call me crazy. [laughing] >> i told you not to take it. >> you did. >> and i told you you were a masochist. >> you did. and when i took this job i had no idea the extent of the

hacking here i knew that if you meals -- a few e-mails had been leaked. i knew many of our staff people were under attack but i had no idea that it would impact not just my life personally by our country. and so there was a moment when i would call you and i was like i need republicans can we cannot do this alone. because our country was being attacked by a hostile foreign government. it's like some a consent in a major house, getting your house and you say to the coming through the window or through the door? but unlike watergate where they came to the door, this was a 21st century crime, a cybercrime. no one at the dnc because of the layers we had at the dnc, no one told the person at the top that things have not happened in the right way. by the time i became chair there was already a bar.

after receive my breathing i want to go to the pentagon. we had suspicious packages. three with the forcibly said there was a mistake. then i start getting all those crazy quote-unquote threats. so how am i doing now? i want the american people to be outraged because we should never allow this to happen again. no one should interfere in our elections. [applause] >> so we know john podesta, what is it called, risotto? we know is recipe. you know that -- >> he makes it creamy. >> you didn't see the ones i gave to birdie or anyone else because wikileaks didn't care if you saw those. they want you to see the hillary ones, the narrative had to be that she was, what? what a compassing community donald trump gordon say -- by

the way, we are on the enemies list. is he liking you? he liked me one day. that's not love. >> he's now calling you donna b. >> what does that mean? >> i don't know what the d stands for. [laughing] >> i can assure you there is nothing going on. >> i don't know, boo. >> he's not my type. >> and you are not he has. [laughing] >> if i did compete in this usa i would come up with the first place for the woman who did not wear the bikini. >> you got a bit ahead of schedule on the but go ahead. >> go-ahead. >> you talked about sending e-mails. >> it's incredible how much 2016 on the democratic side in particular was all about e-mails, the e-mail server, you

know, the e-mails with the questions. the e-mails in huma abedin -- can you believe this thing? might've been decided by sex scandal not involving bill clinton? anyway, i i become is all about e-mails. e-mails, e-mails, e-mails. .. and the reason why i quit cnn that night was that cnn wanted me to put out a statement that i thought was untrue and i said i don't want to do that and i also said my life at stake because at

this point in a campaign i recognize what people were doing with these e-mails and i said don't threaten me unlike some people i don't have secret service. which i told michelle obama was and she looked at me and i said yeah. so, cnn wanted to say i took questions from them i said no, when you. >> i know you didn't take cnn's because it's impossible to get question from cnn. i mean, we know how this works. cnn and i suspect other networks, but i know we know how cnn works. they establish something called the no silence, a special room and none of us are allowed anywhere near it. >> we are not even in the same hotel. we are out in the land of the other one. >> right. >> we know-- you got the questions, but you did not get them from cnn.

>> first of all can we talk? >> go-ahead. >> if you read the questions, you will know that they never came from cnn. what cnn do to get from me was a lot of debate because i was on the press. i was under another kind of pressure to expand at that debate, townhall's and and also under pressure from black lives matter and many activists to expand the quote unquote diversity-- i love wolf. i love jake, but they don't look like me where you; right? >> right. >> so, the pressure i was under as the vice chair of the party, none of the cnn commentators were under pressure. the pressure i was under to produce diversity as well as additional questions and topics that have not been addressed, so

when we expended that the rates in town halls and other forms, the local wage went to cnn, thank you very much. and i love cnn. i still watch cnn. but, when we expended and we were about to talk about criminal justice reform, death penalty. this is my favorite one, the flint water crisis in flint. i had been working with roland martin who had been working with a bunch of other people work we decided rather they go to another quote unquote stale debate where we talk about the e-mails we had worked together and we had come up with a lot of questions and, yes, i gave the candidates had up and i also said i used to give republicans heads up when i was on the panel with them and say here are the topics. i've always given people heads up.

i didn't take nothing. i shared something. >> you said that it was a mistake to it forever. >> absolutely because if you going to have your e-mails sent and people oh much see the ones you gave to this one and not the other ones, my files had been wiped clean, so i couldn't defend myself so i took the hit. i took on the hit. >> for me it's been difficult and painful, as you know. i love you like you are my sister. i stood up for you and defended you. >> you did. >> at the same time i very much understand the need that cnn has and the duty they have to defend their journalistic integrity and their brand and you need to particularly in the face of such attacks right now about fake news in the media and all of these attacks and the questions

that come from cnn, cnn process -- they sent donna brazile to get water in flint, michigan as a pr stunt and donna brazil-- one of the people she gave water to was actually one of the questions later that night. it as an on out to talk to people who may ask questions because she will get you to convince-- confess everything you did in your life and the ones yet to be committed, so bottom line cnn process was not pierced. you regret having sent the e-mails, so can we just be friends? >> can i say something to you. >> i have found these exchanges painful. >> of all the things and i said it's in the book i regretted this because i couldn't-- i am catholic, ladies and gentlemen. >> real catholic.

>> i also have probably click skin and if i do something bad i will prepare us because that's really wait to get back to grace in the first thing i did when i could not find my e-mails because it was the dnc e-mails hacked and stolen and i called bernie sanders and i said i need help. numeral, bernie staffers went out and defended me on television when i was getting just beat up and they knew i was fair. the one thing i will always say i will be fair with and i will still try to fight you, but i'm a fair fighter. it made me sad that no one went out there and said that hillary campaign, here's the dilemma i'm in him then we will get onto other juicy juicy topics recuse bed 11 i and. the hillary campaign is john podesta e-mails, not donna brazile.

my e-mails i have a seven accounts. i have six now. there what i don't have anymore is my dnc account. the hillary clinton campaign, john podesta didn't go out and verify that these were his e-mails and john podesta is not even said that's my wizard at recipe? no, he has not verified any of the wiki leaks don't. the only person in america that has verified the pact, stolen e-mails from wikileaks that we now know donald trump junior was orchestrating, the only person who verified this to me-- verified this is me. now, it's okay. i'm a big girl. i take my hits because i give it out i dish, also. all i want us to learn from the hacking of 2016 is that we can

no longer is a country believe that our elections are secured from cyber attacks. if we learn anything from reading my 260 page book it's that you can no longer get a thumb drive at a convention and go stick it in your computer. you can no longer go around with your quote unquote password being your home address or your last name. if you don't-- >> or password. >> or password. were one, two, three, four. if my book tells you anything it's that we have to take prudent steps to secure our democracy to ensure this doesn't happen again. for someone offers liberals to place ads and if-- and this is what and during some of the

worst days she would call me late at night, argue home. when i didn't get a call from a lot of people she would call me and say lets me take you to lunch. sometime when you lose elections people lose your name. they don't know you anymore until they can call you again when they are running again. they don't worry if your bills are paid, if you're able to get back up. they move on. they go back to their wonderful life and you know who stuck around to make sure all the kids were okay, me. you know who major the kids still had health insurance, me. you know who had to keep raising money, me. and you know who made sure i was being taken care of? this woman. that's why she's my friend.

that's why she's in my book. and i'm going to let her sign my book. [laughter] >> i think too often nowadays we are defining relationships and friendships be it the workplace, family, marriages, friendship by politics and that just strikes me as a dumb thing to do. this will pass, folks and to lose a real friendship because someone may have voted for someone different than you i'm not sure you can define that. so, talking about friendships. was this book hard to write? i'm looking at page 42 and man, you go after some friends. >> obama.

>> had left the dnc and that. hillary bailed it out so she could control it and debbie wasserman schultz went along with this because she liked the power and purpose of being chair, but not the responsibility. so, how are your friendships with the clintons and about obama these days? >> i don't asked to see anyone but god. more importantly in politics a answer to use the voter and you the donor. this has never been about a candidate or campaign. it's about our democracy and people. i started at the age of nine because i wanted a playground and law the city council candidate who promised a playground kept his promise, to me it was all about getting people active, engaged and involved in the political process. when you walk out of a building and you leave it with $23.5 million in debt you ought

to be ashamed of yourself if the person who walks behind you into the ruins finds out people are getting paid $25000 a month and they don't even come to the office. i am driving my car, with my gas i'm flying to florida and everywhere else with my naked-- nickel, my dime and they're getting 25 grand a month. do you think i'm just going to sit there is a mountain chair? hell no. i don't even like uber and you know i will never have one of those cars that don't have nobody behind it. hell no. we like to control the wheel. then the next day, madam chair, do you need a consultant? no, we are broke. madam chair, and unlike the cut that madam chair stuff. i'm donna and no, i went to win,

but i got to get the debt down so i went to our friends and i said i need you to take 10000, not 15, not 25, not 30. i made a lot of enemies. i'm reporting to you the voter, you the donor, you the american people. i don't report to a bunch of consultants. they were living off the gravy train. >> have you heard-- bill? >> now. >> obama's? >> they call me when the parties in trouble. i'm the one that goes in and cleans up behind everyone. >> obama invited you to everyone of your birthday parties and i remember when you throughout your knee dance. >> it still hurts. them all and if i had to do it all over again i would do it because i love them some metal then why did you write this book? >> no one wanted to tell that

true story of what happened in 2016 and do you think i was going to wait until director mueller or the congressional committee to tell you we were hacked and there were stealing our data? do you think i was going to wait until the american people woke up and figured it out? no, i had a story to tell because i lived it. i lived that packing of 2016. they tried to discredit our election, destroy our democracy and hurt our nominees and i wanted to tell it. .net going to write her book. [applause]. [applause]. this is my second book. i wrote columns every week. when you lose the electoral college, but you won the popular vote by the harvard, so i study a lot. i studied. i kept all of my notes. i have my calendar you're caught

have all of the records. i have everything. i even have a text message where i texted saying-- [inaudible] >> she called me and said you don't need to know. okay. three weeks ago everyone said why didn't you know, but i did ask and they told me i didn't need to know because i didn't control my money. had i taken control of my money i would have blown up the process, so i kept my mouth shut every moment being whipped, being told i couldn't spend money i asked-- i'm a conservative by the way. i may not look like one, but i'm very conservative. i'm from louisiana. my mother used to tell us when you go focus on the species and think about the recipe.

leave it at that. don't get into my business. >> i pity that animal that tries to eat her shrubs. >> they are not coming by my house no more. why you gave me off-topic québec i have no idea. where the hell were we? >> we used to be on cnn and they would try to talk about stuff and you know, this is not serious and we had our own conversation on are liable for the american people and when we left we would go over to the bar and order something light, a little wine to create dozens of roosters. people that i thought you should be arguing no, we never argue over this. life is too important. >> really, life is too short to define people by political affiliation. the fine people by values and

shared experiences, define people by accomplishments. don't define people by politics. we have lost the ability to america to embrace that diversity, to be with people that think differently, look differently, talk differently and have a different accept than we do and i think that kind of polarization is one of biggest problems. donna and i think differently on a lot of issues, but that doesn't mean we can't have a friendship. that doesn't mean we don't share things in common and that you love america and want to be the best. >> i was talking about $8 million. i agree with that. >> with 8 million? which you ended up getting, also >> 2 million or 10 weeks and this is the night i knew i was upset with the world, the night when donald trump on august 19, see, i still remember this.

he said what the hell do you have to lose and i'm sitting in my office and by the way i never sit in the chair's office. i made the chair's office like the conference room for important people that came in. i sat in the side office and when he said what the hell you had to lose i started saying obama care, climate change, gay rights, civil rights, voting rights and i'm screaming i start writing a column and i'm ready to do eight ad because i have a good ad. >> and you got no money. >> guess what, they said don't worry madam chair, i said donald trump is talking to people that i know. we got to respond and tell them back. all i could do is write a call because i had no money. because the money i was raising wasn't under my control and this is the best part, even when i wrote a press release and mind

you i was syndicated newspaper column that i wrote every week and a mind you they looked at me -- they used to have to read approve my press releases work i have been a press secretary, communications director, syndicated newspaper columnist and you have to-- some person half my age of proving my column you don't have enough salt in your soup to prove my column, but i went along to get along. i would have written this book had she won the electoral college and the popular vote because the american people need to understand-- >> girl, you would have gotten deported. >> and i would have climbed about wall and came right back home. big beautiful wall. >> combat america is going to pay for. so, you talk about calling

bernie, telling him and then the entire you know, you talk about going in there and trying to figure out if the dnc had been rigged for hillary and at one point you call him up and find this document and you call a bernie sanders and you tell him i found the cancer, but i'm not going to kill the patient, so the basic question is what is the primary process, whereas the process rigged for hillary and if so how climate this is someone who knows the rules. when i served as campaign manager for al gore-- for al gore i stepped aside. you always want to lose to be to be fair. i stepped aside because i wanted bill bradley to have a fair fight. although, i was for al gore and that was the last time i supported someone in the primary i doubt get involved in presidential primaries anymore. i tend to watch from the sidelines, but i'm on the rules

committee and as a member of the rules committee are process was not rigged. what i wanted to do was to determine if the money being spent before the primary had ended if any of that money tainted the process and what i found disappointed me and it was unacceptable because it was unacceptable even for me to do my job as chair. in exchange for bailing us out in which i applied hillary clinton for bailing us out she put us on a starvation diet. >> that was donna brazile from earlier this week at the miami book fair. the full program will air on big tv in the near future. we are back live on the campus of miami-dade college in the downtown area. miami book fair, the 20th year in a row book tv on c-span2 has been