become so much larger than life. he said i have read a few of your books. i get it and i'm going to open up everything we have to you and that is this book without editorial control that is what made the book so spectacular for me as a writer. >> you have been listening to marc elliott, charlton heston. there's a lot more and more about he told in this biography. you are watching c-span2.

.. >>

>> [inaudible conversations] good morning miami is the 304th annual book fair. [applause] i am the dean of the honors college here at miami-dade and it is an absolute pleasure to have a chance to share today with you. we are so

community to have this extraordinary event that would not be possible without the knight foundation let's give them a a round of applause in these eight elements would not be complete unless you recognize all of the friends of the affair right now. [applause] >> the day is filled with extraordinary authors first and foremost, please turn off your cellphone. and i will ask q&a line that behind the microphone if it appears we are running out

of time i will appear we ltd. based on the time schedule. >> at this point are very of local hero. [applause] >> good morning. i have the honor of introducing charles sykes he decided to settle in wisconsin. e once ran for office but

set the bar as revolutionary to redefine responsive. and cover the milwaukee city hall. but most folks know hip before that as a powerhouse boasting conservative talk radio show that if you want to win in wisconsin you go through teeeighteen's also held his book -- his book is "how the right lost its mind" i will suggest there is a follow-up book the title is the end of the rest of us followed. [laughter] charles sykes. [applause]

>> yes i do think there will be follow-up books first things to the of los from also c-span. believe it or not i don't want to spend most of my time talkingng about donald trump but what he is doing to us including we have all been through this together. hurricanes, a full eclipse of the sun, wildfires, it is like the universe is trying to tell us we did something wrong. [laughter] if you ask what would jesus do it would not be liked roy more to the senate. [laughter] [applause] but i may be in the minority

among those conservative republicans.i we will find out. so just to get some of background and as a conservative talk-show host i thought i knew it was the amount the but conservatives were the along came donald trump so this is what i wrote just to set the record straight. but in august 2015 trump descended that escalator delvesd into a run for president and i wrote he is a cartoon version of every media stereotypes of the armed misogynist right except he is not a cartoon but the leading candidate for president at the moment and to be clear is not a cynical opportunist but a human being even his tweets dumber.

is a generated character that makes his success all the more troubling. number one people keep asking what does he have to do or what wine does he have to cross? whatever the wine is he already crossed it. it is a new. so in may 2016 after he successfully nail down the republican nomination i was on fox news i believe this was the last time that means elastomer was ever on fox news and megyn kelly asked me where you not getting on board? ice said he is a serial lawyer and narcissist

and a bully, no fixed principles no vocabulary larger thanin the is secured nine year-old fred would to give him control of the fbi and the nuclear codes. that is me. but my confection - - confession to donald trump does not bother me as much as what he has done to us here and my fellow conservatives to said we can support him to be president of the united states and i did barrault this wording comparing it to the invasion of the body snatchers. people whogr did not disagree with me but decided it in this political age. it is essential for them to get into line to capitulate

and enabled him and rationalize his behavior so few follow me on twitter i was horrified but not surprising if you paid any attention what he is done as president but it is still shocking to see that taking place from somebody with a mantle of power of the of presence with dutch presidency of united states. said to him one of the air you are rooting for the office once held by either him lincoln. his this language appropriate? of course rigo the answer. so i would take the focus

off ofnd what was so revealing to turn that around how did we elect him president? how did that conservative movement go from donald trump? hit it big edmund burke to sean handed the? what happened to us? one of the key things is what just happened to was? was a one time thing? something that we missed did donald trump just parachute in or with something else going on and very reluctantly he isn't merely ang pause but that

dysfunction was a pre-existing condition also recovered by the republican health care plan. [laughter] but also what we have learned depending on politics 20152016 was a sole crushing andis disillusioned by also a shock to mothers who realized that was new in the politics that the system was more fragile than we thought. a lot of what we had taken for granted like the checks and balances they are more metaphors than hard and fast rules better system was

based on the honor system assumption the man and woman was reasonably honorable person that is not the case so how we react as a democracy? we also realize i hope that the united states of america us this shining city on the hill of humanity is not immune that we can take the path of other democracies have have the we don't just want to violate these norms but is is is specifically defined and is by donald trump is even after he

leaves the damage will remain because of what is happening with all cost partisanship that tribal identity that post truth society that post knowledge politics and t i argue in the book one of the things was watching thehe repudiation of the conservative mind through 2016 we heard this was the assault on the establishment actually was an assault on a lot of things it was the assault on decency and good parents and

thought that we still living here right now that somebody asked what about the conservative leaders that care about some of these ideas? most of those are in exile and have been excommunicated from the movement. one of the stories i tell of the book is william f. buckley, jr., the godfather of the modern conservative movement who understood if it would ever be taken it had to get rid of the biggest and the crackpots and though the attacks and expel the john birch society to make it clear the kkk was beyond the pale he didn't do that

because if you want to be taken seriously you need to drain your own fever swamp and was successful to push them to the margin they never went away because they may become back in 2016 that there was no william f. buckley, jr. who had that authority to stop in fact, we saw the rise of the empowerment of those that i will convince -- confessed i thought we marginalize them that the e drought at the end of the bar was there.

but it turns out that was a huge mistake to ignore the existence and to push back so i tried to go back to look at the key moments in there is no definitive a answer was that when sarah nominated? before that? when you gingrich weapon is politics? richard nixon adopted the southern strategy? more recently with the drug report? are you familiar with howre important the drug report is? it is a website for many years was the assignment editor for the conservative media. all of those would read the

the dredge report i could never identified the exact moment they began looking -- linking at alex jones is not your garden friday conspiracy theorist this is the most toxic paranoid part 9/11 was the inside job so was sandy hook. that was staged but injected into the main conservative movement if you want to know what happened with fake news and propaganda and how that was destroyed that was one of them. to back to the two-party that there was a complicated relationship boltzmann the

perpetuating into this machine that i think was taken over by grifters and charlatans also into a place that we are now that conservatives are not that clear what they are for but they're very clear what they are against and who they hate. to a certain extent politics today can and will beed criticized, it can be summed up as long as it is soft though liberals that must we good if i make the liberals heads exploded must we good. no matter what that is it is negative tribalism that is powerful and important to understand. >> i but the other thing to grapple with is the rise of

the alternative reality silos in the media and this is very difficult for me because i was part of the conservative right wing media for two decades by thought we were presenting different points of view not the alternative reality. i knew that this was morphing into the echo chamber but in 2016 we found it was impenetrable all kinds of bizarre sick and twisted stories would circulate and were impossible to refuse to a lot of my year was pushing back on people that i had known 20 years in the past i could say that is a hoax

that is not true or here's the actual facts and people would say thanks for pointing that out but in 2016 it changed. with the explosion of facebook and breitbart media infrastructure and i will point out even though this is not true those liberal rags would not believe anything and that is the mold it you realize we have succeeded to delegitimize not, just criticized the media did delegitimize all fact basedle journalism and i think the fact the president of united states is what amazing that particular phenomenon is the real and present danger to our democratic discourse.

so writing this book was cathartic because as a conservative who are we and what do we believe in? what is important to us and what did we miss? what were the ofth failures to take the stand at the right moment? i will be honest name still wrestling with the power of tribalism. if you ask the question what you mean? conservatives say the title of the book is ridiculous are youou kidding? we won thear election that we have supreme court justices who will get this tax cut bill and how to look weary

are going to you almost get the sense they realize they cannot fully control those forces they have unleashed nourishing the alligator in bathtub it is still angry it to be the last ones eat-in to borrow a phrase from churchill but you do see this with a tribalism and evangelical christians and the notion of how old i am they thought that character mattered but i will wrap up to say.

we are more polarized than ever. with the then diagram there is not a lot of overlap but that sliver is important. that is decency and truth truth, constitutional limits, rule of law, all of those things i think are absolutely crucial and that is the dialogue that we urgently have to have if we're willing to break out of their own bubble's. [applause] >> we will take questions now. we only have 20 minutes. get your question. no speeches.

[applause] >> how can we get the show's back invisible? i have said to emails i just don't know how to make it happen. >> we had post from the of spectrum it was an interesting experience the first 100 days of the trump administration but my very first show in january i have a stranger in a strange place. having beenbe conservative on the npr station but i do think those the public radio

are trying to continue the dialogue it will take a different form but those types of conversations they are soo rare but valuable. >> the building into read state blue state society how was the electoral college fair? most people look at our elections as unfair because they don't understand the system so why do we have that in wide we continue i? wouldn't be betterca if our candidates went to all states and not just the states they think they could win that are borderline?. >> i will answer this way. becoming read stay in this state it would be worse. it is worse we are two

separate societies. it is obvious on social media. that weif live in completely different worlds. and to be in that conservative bubble.s increasingly we're sorting our souls out geographically. those that have trashing the way that we are choosing to live baseball lifestyle and politics it is manifesting itself. we'll get the county maps not just the state. any of those policy answers or even redistricting but they don't go to the heart

of the division that we are metabolizing ourselves that is a fundamental issue when negative issue. next time with the electoral college here is my vice. [laughter] i was in wisconsin. [applause] sometimes you have to show what. >> how do we getut out from under this? i with my local aclu chapter we're always looking for ways to get people in and educate the usually we're preaching to choir.

>> if you know, why we preach to the choir? [laughter] if there is what is happening on the right i will not try to dodge your answer but honestly right now the problems is in the box that is not my problem that is the left but but to understand the trump campaign that they are not talking to people almost outside live there try but they go straight to theirr base you see that with a congressional votes everything is done with the parties. in to explain why he is not getting that endorsement of the accused pedophile running in alabama. so if in fact, trump

conservatives have stopped talking to moderates and independents this is an opportunity why should i think there would listen to my id vice? -- advice. in this by very world the essential dynamic at the end was no matter how awful donald trump was coming he had 60 percent disapproval rating but running against somebody regarded as even worse. this is part of the thinking in american politics. >> should we reach out to republicans?. >> i would think so. the virginia election was an

indication but look at the swing voters if the democrats could win alabama it is the same reason. >> if you're running bernie sanders in alabama forget about it. [laughter] >> thanks for your integrity i watched msnbc even with strong pricing there was so much attention paid to him and he would say things because he knew that everybody would cover it because it was outrageous. so politics has come entertaining and social media would trump have gotten off the ground?. >> no. those points are

outstanding. the relationship between culture and politics that was dramatically on display. virtually no 1m political journalism had watched "the apprentice." they did not understand how powerful reality tv was at nonpolitical the events. so the social media has changed the of flow of information but the way we interact with politics. by the way a terrible failure of the media to give some much free time to donald trump.to [applause] what were you thinking to put him on an edited? in mid to see how much more attention how he would suck the oxygen out of the room.

the illegitimate one that is what got ratings but the other was he said so many horribleot things that they will see this in be horrified there is no way you can survive. he mocks us a disabled and brags about sexual assault and is still elected that is not about him that is about us. and one more point. we think of politics in terms of ideas and accomplishments when in fact, it is about attitude and identity in right the entertainment quality is so much more important still people out there like marco

rubio thinks many to come up with detailed position papers and policy votes. people don't want that they just want what makes liberals cry. in he had it in sight certainly. >> trump seems to have solid support of about 35% so can you imagine any tweet he might send that is sorry just or any action he might take that is so terrific that could cause that 35 percent no. to decline? would that make a difference to the republicans and don't -- congress that support him?. >> people kept asking when

are they ready? when the base breaks. we lookit that 35 percent no. but they look at that 80 percent approval bin they say i cannotpu risk because i am more concerned losing in the primary the and the general election. you will see those political consequences down the stream. i that it was extraordinary moment when george bush and john mccain the chairman of the senate foreign relations committee senator jeff blake within one week give speeches calling of the dangers of the democratic norms by this president. [applause] they were speaking for other republicans were reluctant but as they joined them publicly so there is that

dynamics of what will it take i will let you know when it happens. [laughter] because we have seen almost impervious so do not assume that base will fall even after the russian investigation by the way i have not even mention that. remember when conservative republicans actually thought that would be a big deal in we should be concerned. >> last year two weeks after the election and of time for the sharp to be worn off i spoke to a daughter who said i a understand now the rise of nazi germany he told it was ridiculous as and things

would get that bad but where your feelings?. >> it is a the first person to invoke it will lose is the argument but drought 2016 and said frequently to people that i was close to thatup became smaller and smaller. [laughter] that i understood the dynamics of the 30 is better including the way be intelligent rational decent people convince themselves to support something because the other side was worse. now ing understand how he made the trains run on time and not doing theg of not the thing here but there is

nothing preordained about our democracy your democratic norms. and they exist because we are not entitled to them we have to fight for them ronald reagan said we are one generation away from losing your freedoms and that may be a shock and because we are humani beings we do not appreciate something until we have a loss of it i feel that way i feel more passionate about the country and no more important it is now the bin 10 years ago. but now we feel it is at risk. [applause] >> good morning and woke up this morning to an article in the washington post with thedl headline the alabama said g.o.p. profess the state tradition so although

the democraticle challenger is edging in the polls has a large contingency at theig border to you think the base use themselves as family values and how they justify that? [applause] >> you need to invite chillon pity because they would have more insight. when i use solve crushing and disillusion when we did talk about decency in family values how do we reconcile that? into understand us verses them? so those evangelical questions if you are under attack you have people who retreat within

the fortress and will not listen tot the argument to rally around their guy is taken down it is very powerful phenomenon held by the alternative reality bubble but as i said, before paul the evangelical christian right lost its mind that is what is on display in no disrespect to christianity but my concern is both leaders are rationalizing and doing more to christianity and religion any atheist has ever done and this is a moment of choosing for them as well but just look at that phenomenon everything is by barry and us versus

them did you say i have given uplk everything i claimed that i cared about because i have adopted this win at all cost mentality which isst shocking. >> gradients are. >> years ago warren beatty was in the a movie where he ran for president the the id was different from everyone else because he spoke as he saw fit and the people are so tired of hearing politicians cannot answer questions but some of those may have gone to trump so the question that i have the moment that i realized the republican party went astray isgo when the top republican leaders met on inauguration day to oppose everything that barack obama was for.

[applause] has that happened before and we just didn't know about it or because he was african-american or a democrat?. >> i cannot comment if that actually took place because he went into complete oppositional politics. when did compromise become bad idea? i felt that happening over the last decade but we are feeling that impact right now but in terms of people supporting trump because of those politicians i would recommend if you have time you don't want to get back read the transcript of donald trump he tells a like it is.

[laughter] who here would vote for the republican candidate no matter who it was? he is the only one who said no and there were others but they would not say that. >> the other candidate aspect to this thinking this would never actually happened and is like playing with fire then you burn down the forest and the city but i find number one if you tell lit like is thinking politicians were liars but just in terms that are demonstrably untrue the weapon is is false information that tells it like it is not to mention

the complete pattern which never ceases to amaze that is one thing that really depresses me if you read anything he says how does anyone listen to this and not think we are in trouble? >> 4 as a position with 45 years of experience i know that we need to have every united states citizen covered with comprehensive and economical health care. [applause] as a conscientious conservative who is not and behold into any special interest for back got rich off the american people how with a cartridge is republican design a program to give every american economic goal medical care?.

>> the first thing i would say you would recognize this as a physician is do no harm will break something you don't know how you will fix. [applause] added that it is apparent with those republicans who have been campaigning we don't know how to do this without damaging the system what i find extraordinary the only story they seem to have is to sabotage the system and create as much pain as possible and hope somebody else will be blamed. i am hesitant to say but i am not sure the last time the ruling political party set out to sabotage their

program that tens of millions ofra people rely upon for political of vintage. thison is one of those things i don't know if you get them to buy into single payer health care. but there has to be some time in the distant future a system that looks at the problem tuesday rather than imposing this abstract dogma whether the program that will make sure every sick best can get the medical care? i do not think it was unreasonable no american should be denied health care how we structure

or the incentives they probably design that but i'm afraid it will get basically into a binary choice where they control everything were destroyed everything just because we can and. this is why people should be worried as a conservative i watching guys i have known forve years amassing have you thought through what actually happens is holy to govern in the legislation without especially with health care the stakes are so great. [applause] that is all the time we have four questions.

[applause] >> thank you. >> if you wish to have your books find he will be in the green autograph area. [inaudible conversations] >> booktv on c-span2 live coverage of the miami book fair you'll have a chance to talk with him and about 50 minutes of the angeles will talk about his new book in

the meantime we are set up in the center of the of festival owned of call-in set joint by author and journalist jefferson morley the secret life of c i a spymaster who is he?. >> born 191-7100 years old this year a yale-educated spite and one of the founding personality is of the cia from its founding in 1947 until the forced retirement 1970 for a founding father of u.s. counterintelligence. >> the is his position to create a cia within the cia.

very influential with u.s. policy toward israel with mass surveillance and opening the mail with that domestic surveillance and involved in the early days of emollient experiment program. a man who made his influence to be involved in policy towards cuba. oh lot of cia officers rise through a division. >> host: was the well-known?. >> no. in fact, one story i heard one man worked for him for four years and never knew who he was.

he was very secretive even within the cia. >> host: the underlying theme is the importance of bureaucratic infighting. >> angleton is a master of that as the administration or he is lousy and doesn't deal well with his subordinates. but on the one on one meet the extremely intelligent and very compelling cia directors to maintain his position even with criticism from colleagues of the cia. >> host: if you survive that that level we often think of j. edgar hoover did he get close to the presidents as well?. >> he was a close

collaborator for many years. hoover did not like the c.i.a. but he did dress to in bolton because she supplied him with that secret information he was master to leverage that power so yes he did collect information he was closest to president nixon he thought eisenhower was stodgy c or lbj crude but he was the best prepared so it is telling the both fell at the same time for the same reason and spying on their enemies and obsessive about secrecy nixon resigns 74 and adelson is the -- fired in december the last chapter of watergate. >> host: is there room

named after him?. >> no witness cia he is not in good standing. they sent agents back to review what he had done. it was so secretive even they did not know the general consensus he made a lot of mistakes and his actions are to the agency so he is not honored that much. >> host: you say his legacy is the mass surveillance of america. >> yes. today we have these powerful systems of mass surveillance picking up on e-mail or telephone but he pioneered the early version of that the opening of the male of americans overseas. it was very small opening to madrid letters per year within a few years it was

10,000 with no authority. notes warrant or probable cause. here in of the program from the late '50s through the early '70s. 10,000 letters per year to copy and, index this was america's first massan surveillancen program. into use that same justification that we hear from today. >> host: another line he is not surprised when we harvey oswald shot jfk. >> not that he shot him he knew very well he was in very distinctive think of him that he put on assault

under close monitoring november andpi for the next four years were ever oswald went angleton was informed in detail who he was in touch with in his personal life and travel. the story fed to the american people at the assassination he cannot of know where was a cover story to protect angleton he had been monitored for years we for 1963. >> do they know he was in dallas?. >> one week before the assassination on november 15 angleton's top aide signs for the fbir report his liaison officer sees as the report then thed fbi office reported he had returned from mexico city and living in the dallasd area. i believe a bill to end read

that report one week before the assassination mitt. >> did you go up to the cia archives?. >> iin did ask for an interview and they turned me down but i got this from the classified records or retired agents or archival material from lbj, a jfk, four-door different collections this was the investigative biography. >> host: if the cia documents were available with this be a different book?. >> there is a c secret study of engleton tenure and in the study of his entire

career is totally classified. the full story is classified. this is the story as best as it can be told so far. >> host: if americans are suspicious of a shadow government running the country you give that some support. >> nobody talked about that it was an unknown within two years later the president of united states believes it so then i wasn't going to but if you look at engleton career you can see theep power so they can accumulate in the secret agencies and lends credence to the fears they are secretly manipulating the political system from these positions and engleton certainly did. >> host: what should we know about his personal

life? who were his friends?. >> a very attractive man personally and people really believed in him. father of three, lived modestly intl arlington his wife came from a wealthy family but nothing ostentatious. he was an intellectual, he liked books, at the end of his career was an alcoholic made his thinking rigid which led to his stovall. he did lose allies by the early '70s. but even if i did not like him he was never not interesting he was complex and always interesting to figure out. >> host: in his office

through 75 that you talked with people who knew him well?. >> yes. i spoke with lit chief of the mossad and he knew engleton when engleton would go to israel and was a junior officer carrying his briefcase. i k talked with another man who was a cia officer working with him in the '50s also his aide and another man who worked with him. they are retired cia people some are now dead provided this insight what he was like. >> host: spending went many years of "the washington post" did you write for them anymore?. >>na occasionally.

we'll write about the jfk files. >> the ones recently released? the right to figure out what is new and significant and i have some ideas. >> host: going to these 20,000 pages have you found material?. >> yes. it is a little confusing because some has been made public before if they come to this subject for the time but those of us that have been involved know that that is the true. but so far there are some interesting things to remember the cia knows what is in there. they will not release the good stuff first they will do that last we're waiting the most importedd material. >> host: the book is the ghost. booktv is live in miami for

the miami book fair. . . . . [inaudible conversations] good morning, im miami.

please, find your seats. we are going to get started. it is a pleasure to be here with you. i am the dean of the college here at miami dade college, and we are delighted to offer you the 34th annual book fair. [applause] this book fare wouldn't be possible without the support of the sponsors such as the knight foundation, the bachelor foundation and we're also thrilled to have with us our friends who are over local heroes many of whom are here today. please we acknowledge your support. today's program will feature van jones who will speak forpe a portion of time. please give a shout out.

[applause] we will have time for questions at the microphone. if you see me, but isn't a good sign. we will get as many in as possible. if you haven't already silenced your cell phone, please note he will be signing books in the autograph area too the right of the escalator. i had the honor and pleasure to introduce the codirector o co- f the foundation. thank you. [applause]

hehe grew up in the conservative south, graduated from yale law school and is the author of two "new york times" bestsellers the green color economy and rebuild thee dream. dan jones is alsoso a social entrepreneur who founded the dream core and has led numerous environmentalrp enterprises including the center for human rights, colore of change and green for all. among his honors he's been named one of the company's 12 most creative minds on earth and times 100 most influential people. dan jones made his mission to challenge voters and viewers to stand in one another's issues and disagree constructively. in his new book "beyond the

messy truth," he encourages all of us to start our own way of politics and come together where the pain is greatest. please join us in welcoming van jones. [applause] hello, miami book fair. it's such an honor to be here. there's like 849 miami book fairs or something so i am glad i got a b. for the 100th. i am going to talk for a short period of time because i want to get to the questions. i am very concerned about where we are as a country.

if we don't change direction, we are going to end up where we are headed and it's very bad. democracy is stale. they usually fail and the fact that we've had a democratic republicac here for 200 plus yes is a miracle we should take more seriously than we did. i wrote a book called beyond the messy truth, because the title is more important than the title. the title is how he came apart t and how we come together. because i get the chance to work at cnn, i've been able to be in with both sides for a while. i've also been to red states and blue states. i've been to south central los angeles, i've been to the air is sasthough in a mexico border, ie been to flint michigan.

what i can report back to you is there's common pain around the country. every place i go, it is the same story. addiction, the court system, bad jobs or no jobs but no common purpose yet. that isn't what's happening. i'm very concerned that we now have a political dynamic set in where both sides can score points attacking the other side without any concern for how we might solve the problem and get something done and make the

country work. i'm a strong liberal, pro- progressivee. i often say i'm on the left side of pluto. you can't find any issue in 96 and 97. i was working on the police accountability, the center for human rights that helped the prisons. i've been on the frontlines of all these issues before we even had that phrase. so when somebody that is as strong a progressive as i am i think it is worth holding on a

second. let me tell you how we might be able to move forward. i would say over the past year as both political parties suck. it's a technical term. but what do i mean, both political parties signed on to ideas that turned out to be ruinous bad ideas for ordinary people.

but they are diffuse and ungrateful. but the losers are concentrated in the industrial heartland because he overpromised how thew they would fix the downside. the bankers are oppressed. they are struggling under the weight. so what could possibly go wrong.

both parties have signed off on that. they said it would make them better and destroyed families and neighborhoods. they should we should get involved in thesee overseas war. we still can't figure out a way to get out of them so when you have a bipartisan elite failure at the top of both parties at some point you're going to have a bipartisan set o up rebellionn both parties so you saw black lives matter, the bernie sanders

movement and the tea party movement so. itit is justified with this content into frustration. the fact that both political parties seem to have learned so little when you have 47% of democrats voting for bernie he had the same 2% of the votes. that should have been a huge signal to the party but there was a massive level of discontent yet it was brushed

under the rug. in the book i'd try to get into the mistake i think the democrats have made and it is a complicated argument. i think the democrats have a lot to be proud of certainly in 2016 that include include people thae been left out and mistreated and disrespected for too long. the democrats used to include people that keep them in the back of the bus this time he included people and we were proud of it. so the struggle even in 2012, no less than president barack obama was a little hesitant in 2012 to

speak out for marriage equality. remember joe biden got out there and said we are for it. so then obama came out in 2012 kind of sheepishly and said for me personally, i'm for it. i think that trump is the resistance and we are winning.

it's really frustrating to me. i talk about ini the book why e we so tough on american muslims. it's one of the best communities that we have. they have the lowest crime rates, divorce rates, the educational, one of the highest educational attainment rates for american muslims. if a muslim family moved in next door to you you would be thrilled because of the chances of your kids getting in trouble just went way down so you have this amazing group and then we mistreaty them.

and i don't mean to be rude, but statistically, the majority of terrorists in the united states ares. not muslim. so i don't understand, i just don't understand. the democrats embrace those folks. the black lives matter criminal justice nominated the first woman ever to be president.

that is all stuff to be proud of. we may have drawn the circle a little too small this time. there are some newly disenfranchised scare folks who are white and often male and are working class and whose pain didn't register with the democratic coalition in the same way this time and for those people, it's tough.

but if the only time hillary clinton has a white guy in the end it ison donald trump. i think for our side we need to draw the circle as big as bobby kennedy. draw a circle the way we used to draw it to include everybody and this time be proud about some of the people we might have been bashful about before. on the other side let's not forget the republican party is the party of lincoln bounded and anti-slavery pro- liberty and is now in danger of becoming the party of steep them i steve ba

bannon. there's nothing inherent in the end o conservatism that requires the sort of hostile people of color toward the new rising majority. in fact i will be honest. half of black people should be voting for republicans. [laughter] if you actually have a conversation, we arell the most churchgoing part of the coalitionn, the black church and hip-hop.

so, then people go to church multiple times a week, so it's weird we have a strong middle class nobody everro talks about. why aren't half of us voting for republicans? because the party is if you listen to the talk radio guy and watch that tv station that they have i'm not going to mention them, nobody will say this. but i will say this. when you go home for thanksgiving and have a relative that only watc watches one stat, you can at least point out that your primary source of information is named after a

predatory mammal that can't be trusted you might want to diversify. that's all i'm going to say. [applause] but whenhe you listen it's almot negative towards african-americans. you can't vote for a party that doesn't respect you. i don't care what they put on the website or what they say. would require this level of hostility towards immigrants, muslims, african-american.

that should concern everybody. i never thought i would say a kind word about george w. bush. i wish more of them would do what george w. bush is doing. i don't like that stuff. so then the question is how can we come back. i want to be very clear i am not a pollyanna person. i've been on the frontlines of some of the toughest struggles in my adult life, a lot of funerals and people in caskets and older people sitting up in the pews, a lot of bad state ballot measures passed.

i am a front-line guy that kind of frowned upon tv. the good thing aboutut democracy is you don't have to agree. so we are going to fight about some stuff. we are going to take up immigration, healthcare, a lot of stuff. but you can not only fight and still have a country. you cannot only figh can not onl have a a country and if we keep jumping up and down on the floor board of society at some point you will have a breakdown and do not want to live in that and neither do i.. in addition to the battleground where we should show a high belief witbelief with as much pe and dignity as possible, but is also a massive common ground we

should discuss. we could ask a bunch of this tomorrow. you don't change one thing and we could fix a big part of this. let's not forget my close friend died of the same opioids that are tearing up rural white america across the board. i think that if we start feeling more intelligently and the crisis it would open up the deal toge dealing with the narcotics crisis but forgot the community anddna people said not one kindf thing. we ca can come up can completelw we deal with addiction but we are not doingon it. the criminal justice system is a complete catastrophe so much so

you have republican governors that have been chalked by how dysfunctional our prisons are and they've been closing prisons. rick perrrick perry closed thres and brought the crime rate down. the governor in georgia but the crime rate down by closing prisons. governor tasted in ohio, big criminal justice reformer, nikki haley the same thing, black livess matter and republican governors have more in common than they've ever sent on to talk about. common ground, but we don't talk about it. then also nobody thinks that their kids, grandkids, nice or nephew is being trained for the job tomorrow. nobody. public school, private school,

i'm talking about the curriculum that is being delivered in this world of drones and artificial and sports screens and robots. it is an emergency coming in we are not even talking about it. so there is a calling ground beyond the battleground. my proposal is very simple from nine until noon, let's just fight every day. [laughter] and then from noon until one can we get something done that might help just a single person in america just forn an hour and then afterwards we will just fight some more.

the kids are doing better than the grown people now and n thats a shame. they are now flunking kindergarten. remember, listen, share. there isn't a single person i could identify with that would do well in kindergarten right because we fight all the time. nobody listens or her shares but listen to what we can make the kids do. we force them every morning, we make u them stand up, they say e pledge of allegiance and the end with one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

this is brainwashing. this is brilliant brainwashing because liberty really is more of a conservative concept. liberty says government, get out of my way. let me get out here and make my money and be myself. justice means more on the left. we all want free markets, but can we have a great society if only do the corporation can make money off of it.

you wind up utilitarianism and the society that is a nightmare. i'm going to do whatever i want and nobody can tell me anything. i don't care about the just liberty. you wind up with a different kind of tiffany, corporate tyranny.

it takes two wings to fly. we need each other lets fight constructively otherwise we are going to lose the country. thank you very much. [applause]ht >> there is a line that can form right there and here's what is going to happen. the first person is going to set an amazing example, just an incredible example. it is going to be concise. it's not going to be a speech. the question which is a sentence with a question mark. that is what is going to happen and his example was going to be so powerful that every other question will sayay i got to my side. and it's going to be the most amazing experience you've ever

had a. as the great congresspeople pointed out only about 4% of the economy. nobody likes bureaucracy or this

process. it's what the constitution requires and what serve would sr parents and grandparents for years. i don't know why we want to throw that in the trash. wes could argue about this, bui don't think that anybody, conservatives used to try to conserve things like tradition. we are in uncharted territory. so i think that even just insisting that we ought to be able to debate the bill and hear expert testimony about bill i think both parties should be off on.sign >> when you called the speech to congress in late february and extraordinary moment and it had mutated basically that the explanation you gave afterwards, but in that moment you're not

revising the real threat here. you were pointing out the ability to take these moments of presentation to the entire country and have an excuse or reason to justify a reasonable case held we prevent that from occurring? >> i thought and still think the president addressed the congress in the first state of the union address was an extraordinary speech. he started the speech off talking about civil rights in speaking up for jewish people. that was a shock to me. what i said at the time, and don't forget by the way,

something happened which nobody comments on because it scares people when the president trump walked into the chambers he only shook hands with republicans because no democrats wouldn't even come to that side of the aisle. the democrats were afraid to get their picture with the president of the united states. i've never seen that before. i am not saying they are wrong, but take that as a snapshot moment for the country that we arrived in a place where the president had offended so many people that an entire party didn't have a single member being in the picture with them even when obama came and there were people on both sides. i mark that as a moment of peril for the country and i m thoughtf this is a hitler speech, we are in deep trouble. then he actually gave a decent speech and at one point it got

everybody on their feet applauding and i said at the moment, he became the president. that's what the president does. you would have thought that i said i was going to work for donald trump. [laughter] you would have thought i said i believe we should build a wall. [laughter] the reaction from liberals saying one kind of thing about the part of the speech that let me know that the progressive movement was in a very scary place. let me say something m to progressives it's been two yeara since trump came down the escalator and t in that two yea, you have a ritual which is

called wake up in the morning, reach for your smartphone and freak out. freaking out is not a strategy. because we are in the politics of accusation. please be quiet back there. you are offending the whole front row. this is an important point for progressives thinking freaking out about a strategy number one. number two, part of the reason wehe are upset is that we will t admit the obvious. there is a real compassion that isss called for.

we didn't work that hard in 2016 .-full-stop donald trump in the first place. it was all he can't win, it's impossible. you should see my facebook speech like so many articles. i'm talkini am talking about whd in 2008.

your relatives were afraid of you. i'm voting,t please stop. we did hold that to stop john mccain. [applause] mitt romney i would not only vote for but i would give him a lap dance. [laughter] and so what you.

you did all that to stop mccain and romney. you've been powerless and bullied and traumatized because you feel the country is discernible country with 60 million people who are now all this crazy stuff. no, when you stood up, you changed the country in a positive direction in the country fell apart.

that means you are powerful. i feel like the two parties to both ends are missing the middle and i think the moderate democrats and i want a third party and i think that is the only way. so we don't get these crazy candidates. >> we are doing a little bit of that intl california where everybody just runs against each other and whoever runs to the top so it is basically a one-party state for democrats.

we don't have a parliamentary system where you couldn't have parliamentary's and everybody could get their fair share. feel like internal. it has to do with people feel a level of urgency in their own mind a and having a sense of disconnection from the people who seem to be the winners. as long as that dynamic is present, there's a danger.

there is a danger. the solution as i said before it's not about making a moderate or center. i'm proud of it. you have to have some concern. you want to be looking at the republican party. where is that figure. [inaudible]

if you don't believe a woman has the right to choose, you are are stirred up muslims come you don't likems multiculturalism, please stay in your party, don't come over here we have enough problem as democrats. please stay in the party. we have enough problems. that code for better republicans. the a better republican. if i gave them the ideal where 99% would help the base and 1% % would help a muslim they turned the whole deal down and you can't get anything done. but we need are conservatives and progressives and if we focus on that, then we get something done. i'm still trying to figure out how to get it done. [applause]

thank you for standing up to the common muslims living in this country. the same problems just like every other american would have. what i want to know is that we can't match with her fists were doing. we can't match the work as common muslims living in the streets of america. what can we do to have a voice in the mainstream media. one comment i would like to make from the prolific country and

leading example of economic, social. then it took a bad turn in now we have a country with no future. what value does teach us were beingan practiced from those values. what i am concerned about is in the last few years we have seen the same things happening in the united states and that concerns me and i hope and pray for a

brighter future. you pointed out something that should concern for everybody, democrats and independents. the authoritarianism in the world right now seem to be winning. when you look around the world right now, you've got isis, putin, china. democracy seems to be struggling a little bit and be authoritarians, the fundamentalists seem to be gaining strength. that's what i keep telling people. there's only two political parties in the country, they give a damn party and the don't. those that don't are just watching thwatching the cardassr

whatever they are doing. so that's in the west wing and the right-wing and some of the other caucuses. to give a damn party needs to start because we could wind up look at turkey right now that was a democratic republic 20 minutes ago. so, there is a real reason to tamp down on some of the rhetoric. you just can't respond to the most extreme of matter what side you are on. even coming from the white house, it is really not wise. i get to beat up by a lot of liberals because they see me on tv and the then trying to have n

intelligent conversation but don't forget i am a father. my kids are nine and 13. whenn i am on tv on the east coast is asleep at night they are on the west coast and get the chance too see me on television. i can't be on television cutting people off, treating people badly and then telling them to be nice to each other. it doesn't work. [applause] that's not tlet's not feed whate fighting and become what we are fighting a. i'm still a follower of obama and her husband. [laughter]

don't leave him out. [laughter] she says when they go low, we go high. they went low, we went high but we didn't fight. never underestimate again the heroism of our cause and i don't just mean democrats, liberals. the idea that you could have one country with every color, every class, every space, every gender, sexuality, ability level, every kind of human being

ever bornng in one country but n mostly get along and gone as a democracy, that is an insane idea a miracle in the human history that we are able to do this together and if you ever take it for granted and think it is obvious you don't have tonk workrd hard, you are going to suffer the all. this is creating a massive desire on the part of people to figure out how to get along again. people in this roomop can bringt back together. let's fight where we are supposed to but where we can work together, let's get together because the country deserves it and so do our children. [applause]

we ask that you please exit quickly. the next program is starting in ten minutes. [inaudible conversations] >> you are watching booktv. live coverage of the book fair. dan jones talking about his book and getting a standingta ovatio. beyond the truth is the name of the book.. what we are going to do is a couple of things. we are going to follow over to the book signing area so you can see some of the interaction.

we are going to watch a little bit of this text to the chapman hall. we are going to watch a little bit. of that but we want to get your reactions to what he had to say in his presentations. you have a great party being taken over by the way to suppress that was in regards to the republican party. succumso, 748, 8200. (202)748-8201 in the mountain and pacific time zones. we are going to begin listening to those calls in about ten minutess or so so you can see as he walks over there.

this is all coming up this afternoon. the full schedule is at booktv.org. facebook twitter and instead graham. the handle is@booktv. we are going to watch a little bit of van jones now. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

[inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

..

>> >>. >> host: calling in from albuquerque good afternoon. >> caller: i listened to van jones also last night have comparable messages we have to get past this situation we're in right now. so what we need to pay more attention to is independent

voters. voters to in some cases have the right to vote in primaries in their state and perhaps move their stayed away from the extreme especially the right. and in some cases the independent voters depending on the laws say i don't want to join because they are awful but then they disenfranchise themselves. they do call themselves the middle but thoseho may be the key to turning some of these things around. my philosophy is to cheat the system you have to start with following the rules of thee system that you have. thanks for writing valine jones with the speakers that you have.

>> host: talked about the extremes of what about the left. >> caller: the way that the democrats moved to the left because under the clinton they went so far to the right that is where they belong. so they still have a ways to go to get back to being the party and represents the kinds of thingsd that pentose talked-about. marriages a little too much corporatism in the democratic party and largely the result from the money and politics. >> host: from cleveland ohio.

>> caller: thanks m for taking myo call. i am somewhat offended and a little troubled. i have been a democrat 20 years for my life twice voting for obama with a lot of obama supporters voted for trump. and to be on that train. but we are more liberal than we were before.an while we want to teach their children in a this is a little confusing to me. but now that i am getting older name thinking as they

grow older what we see so now back to the republican party i did vote for donalde trump because i did think the of primaries were rigged to because i knew about it bernie sanders. but when he says the republican party is more racist i really want to say does that offend the white mann because every time there is a white man in control all the sudden he is racist? so i feel that they get a little too much on the racist stuff that everybody tends to be racist is not true some people believe in notel turning the country into

day everybody has to the answer to god. we still need to be able to say merry christmas. of the monuments are coming down. why no? because obama is no longer in office they are upset that hillary lost in they wanted to go so liberal end i feel that it go we have to keep moving after 80 years. >> host: have eating president trump is doing. >> caller: i really don't like with puerto rico. not just as a latina but sometimes he does silly stuff. the think jobs are coming people are not looking at this. everybody is -- and my family is working out.

a lot of people don't want to say anything. but donald trump will come around. i know the key is a racist person at all. or what happened where it happened battle white people think that. they didn't say that when he was on hisnd reality show i don't know why they get that he is all about these races parties. >> host: they give for your time this afternoon. coverage from miami is coming we have several moree hours listening to free and jones -- bin jones would assure reaction?.

>> i tend to believe the way the country was put together you have to have votes and conservatives would everyone to call it to reach those five principles of freedom. >> host: i apologize i interrupted you but we will move:to kansas. >>er caller: good afternoon. i find it interesting that what bin jones is saying

looking at the great republic. i knew nothing until the 1969 about the history of the african with the slavery of the politics in not until 1975 economically and politically and things to c-span and watch you all the time i'd probably buy 60 j books per year. but that was the most blessed of patriarchs. and what fascinated me to greatly steady history in

this country and how much has been left out and how many people don't realize what has been left out i get goose bumps every time but i didn't find out until 1898 we wouldn't admit cuba as a state. >> host: ken you wrap this up. >> caller: one sentence this as a left at a bar text as the country has prospered as i say the new israel. that changes the whole dimension. t >> host: if you have been

listening to booktv we will not r get his reaction is some of the things that he did say to have better republicans. >> what did you think?. >> i need to be the next great president. >> giving a like to say is the the what falls in line with a right to end wrong they make themselves out of their resources so the

benefit should come to all the people. not just the rich. is again to know right frombo wrong that is all i have to say. >> host: you can't only fight and still have a country with partisan politics. >> i am very happy to hear the comments because he is much more objective with the entire picture but the two-party system was set up as a balancing system and not to go off the rails to much. nothing just happens

overnight. everything is a process with self-interest, agreed, corru t ption that we have been warned about with the industrial complex is also what has happened the power that has become more important so for some time they have stonewalledve republicans now which is really dangerous for our country so now members of congress and it is absolutely atrocious that they don't participate. what is your opinion? if

you don't vote then we pay the salaries they are not participating were helping the people in this country. the was concerned with the of the democratic party i see the wholele picture. >> host: thanks for your time we are in miami for the miami book fair. we are getting your reaction to van jones and his comments with his new book. annapolis go-ahead. >> caller: dicot some of the show yesterday with chris matthews or somebody else has the same politics

of van jones which is part of the spectrum. if you could address the question asking why c-span cannot have conservative people as a guest? can you confirm they don't have conservative guest? is that because the companies that fund you or the management of a like you to re-enter the question. >> host: i am understand. that was not a question that was presented yesterday. that was a statement so i chose to think the caller and move on. if you look at oured schedule and will recover -- we cover we maintain the strict policy of a lot of points of

views thatt the book fair we don't have control and we do like to go out to cover a lot of defense and sometimes that the book fair you may see three or four authors who you disagree with. we try to bring in other points of view throughout the evening or where we have control of the schedule. so this evening there is a book of a cartoonist talking about how he supported donald trump and that will be tonight after the festival. we want recently went over to a conservative publisher in a profile regnery with ann coulter at one party so you will see a lot of different authors is laura ingram, one of the books we tried to cover this week was

the bush sisters, the twins to have a new book about life in the white house but unfortunately we had a snafu and could not cover that the we were going to show you that today as well. that is just the last two weeks to bring lots of points off view. just remember we are looking for lots of points of view. we're in miami and pleased to be here to bring other points of view as well. louisiana we look forward to what you have to say. >> caller: there are times the country will take a hit and take a stand.

it is time for bettyt' to open their eyes. >> first thank you sometimes i watch, cnn or msnbc in watching booktv. it has been so informative with your of health issues so i got to enjoy life it aside while becoming more and for herb so they give recovering is today i

listened to a van jones coming from reunion dance it was a basketball dance. agrippa liberal instill a liberal that we have to support we're all immigrants. that is the situation opportunities beyond belief mi other had of business to

support their family beautifully. >> host: do you consider yourself leftist like van jones. >> caller:r: yes. i do. to me that means spread the wealth in this country. delete with wages. combined health care for everyone. a look at denmark a and sweden and the other countries that give family benefits i was actually a child care center director and i know how parents struggle with their child

care. this country needs to do more to spread the wealth. >> host: from bethesda, thank you. loss eight angeles you are on booktv. your reaction to van jones. >> caller: van jones is on point his statements is correct i like that analogy from the left in the right wing. we need people like van jones in the united states that is all i have to say. >> host: we appreciate

everybody r calling to give their reaction to ruth van jones. another couple of opportunities with charles sykes "how the right lost its mind" you saw him earlier today and then sharyl attkisson she was on after words a couple months ago we will bring her back in and give you a chance to talk to her so those are coming up this afternoon. several events still at chapman hall where the authors are talking including a historian a book about charles dickens and also others we are all live with some of interviews on the set.

in president emeritus of spelman college. the miami book fair is a week-long even to we're down here for the weekend but during the week they have offers such as the bush wins and former chair of the dnc she spokeke earlier this week we will show you just a portion of that right now. >> i just finish the book you did not even sign this for me. the book made me a little sad as your friend a a