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this is 45 minutes. >> chairman pai, the chair is yours. >> thank you, tina. all right. all right. someone once said. today was an exciting day for technology innovation at the fcc. we took significant steps to unleash the next generation of wireless connectivity, broadband networks and broadcasting. to advance the next generation 5g wireless services we voted to make another 1700 megahertz high frequency spectrum available for terrestrial proximal wireless use. we also streamlined rules for wireless info structure deployment which will help in the way by the networks and services. to advance the next generation broadband we voted to expedite the transition from legacy copper network to modern fiber networks. billions of dollars spent to maintain a fading copper network will be freed up to build a

high-speed network of tomorrow and that will help bridge the digital divide. to advance the next generation broadcasting we authorized a new television standard on the voluntary market-driven basis and this will open the door to a substantially improved free over the air television broadcast services in the video market place. of course much more than that. one last thing i can't help but note the best season has started in kansas is number 4 feet kentucky and will certainly improve my mood now that the cheese started to tail off. with that i'll open up to the questions you might have. >> kyle, i have a question about media ownership. seems like a big part of the pitch at least on cross ownership is the idea that this could allow synergies and stations goodbye of newspapers that are struggling but it seems like the market has been moving in the opposite direction and a lot of divestitures have split up between publishing and

broadcasting assets and what will change? >> we are simply making a decision as i said at the outset to ensure that our media ownership regulations match the marketplace in which we find ourselves in that marketplace dramatically different than it was in 1925 when that crossownership was put in place. notably as you will find in the order there is record that the grandfather combination dating back to 1975 produced significantly more local news then do non- cross on stations and newspapers and so our hope is going forward that especially in small to midsize markets these procompetitive accommodations can create local news that will be of interest to readers going forward. >> [inaudible] my question is once a murder is approved by the

fcc how would competitors and voice complaints antitrust complaints if they feel the need to do so? >> well, if there's an antitrust complaint there would be typically fielded by either the department of justice or the federal trade commission which shares current jurisdiction and depending on those which entities previously approved the merger i would anticipate that agency would take the lead. >> margaret, there have been some reports about a decision and final order coming on a net neutrality and restoring internet freedom. i wanted to see if you would comment on the sports and you still intend to finish this proceeding by the end of the year and also more specifically after reviewing the record do you think there's still a need for [inaudible] >> i will not make any announcements on that front today. sorry [-left-square-bracket. >> there has been a lot of you

taylor decisions to benefits and there were a couple of crest the hill and eiji's in investigate and have you turned over all the information that you think members of congress want and can you address generally this idea that you've been specifically tailoring decisions to benefit [inaudible] smart. >> elected officials can say anything and some do. in this particular case my record is very clear. going back to my time is commissioners starting in 2012 and ever since i've had a very consistent view on ownership and media policies. that view is very simple and it starts the proposition that i outlined in the opening of my statement which is the proposition that the media ownership regulation company 17 should match the marketplace of presenting. every single one of our decisions is simply based on that. what are the law and what are the facts, apply the law to the facts and make the appropriate

judgment in the best interest of the public. i reject what you have suggest suggested. >> there is some concern that all customers have to buy new television set in five years. you agree with that and if so, should congress take action to help people by those new sets or converter boxes? >> that concern is misplaced. as i pointed out in my statement and -- >> after five years do you have to buy a new set or not? >> in five years, that's a long time and want to see how the standard develops. over talking about right now is what is the proof of the technical standard. for so far away from that point that to suggest that perhaps hypothetically in five years people might have to get a new device and let's not disprove the technical standard. this is a standard no one would apply to any other segment of mitigation and certainly not technology companies that don't have to abide by this mother may i approach here in washington. >> hello, mr. chairman. two things. one i wanted to clarify the copper to fiber item.

the idea behind illuminating this notification requirement is that services that run over the formally copper networks that are transitioning would still work just fine and is that right? >> crack. obviously we can go into more detail on this but there are two different categories, i guess you might say, that are in play here. category one is if there is a change to your service and category two is discontinuing that service. it is in that first category then we are talking about notice under section 251 and the second category were talking about section 214 process and that's the basic [inaudible] that were talking about. >> thank you so much. my second thing was point out that since you mentioned college as well, go tar heels. [laughter] >> i thought you were going to say blue devils.

>> you criticized apple for not including an enabling chips in their phones but will you be urging verizon to do so given that there are reports that they purposely blocked radio chips and their manufactures included in the phone. >> therefore they just came out. -- >> know i'm asking for someone else so wireless is not my thing. >> i'm happy to take a look at not sure if there was a story that just came out but i haven't seen anything on the issue this week but generally speaking i thank you know my overall philosophy which is that the fcc cannot require these phones or these chips to be activated but my hope is that -- >> you can't provide a service provider -- >> i have to look at the limits of our legal authority as a

couple to a service provider. if you don't mind sending the report over i'd be happy to take a look. >> hello. back when the fcc voted to reinstate the discount there was some talk that you would look at it again but it would go hand-in-hand and looking at the national ownership and there may have been mentioned that that would happen by the end of the year and is that still in the works and is that so planned? >> hereto i cannot make any announcements about what will be on the next or subsequent open meetings but i will say that obviously we are continuing to abide by that approach which is at the two go hand-in-hand and fcc need to take a look at it holistically as opposed to piecemeal. >> but it is still in consideration? >> that is correct. >> my editor is asking the

question so -- >> always been it on the editors. [laughter] >> he doesn't -- i don't want to identify him but. [laughter] he says we eliminated and eight seems a rather high number and did that include you age and [inaudible] stations in the community and basically they would have to be eight stations independently owned until there would be an approval combination of the two stations? >> that was the previous world that you cannot own two stations in a market if there were not eight independently owned tv stations. >> so that included and that is my -- >> that is my understanding. >> one quick one. ms. clyburn called it a budget control cap and i thank you called it a budget mechanism in your proposal and i believe she said it was $823 million and i don't know whether that was accurate and she said it would cut the funding by more than

half and raises the question with the current level of funding is. >> you will see and it relates to the item three weeks ago and you'll see in the final product which there is no specific number that is included and we simply see comments on what that budget cap should be and again i would refer back to the previous comments of the other universal fun program do have a gap that promotes physical response ability and ensures the integrity of those programs and they are just as important in many ways and we hope that going forward we can try to reach a consensus on that. >> commissioner clyburn said that in this order now waste the efforts of the diversity committee and she also was upset that there is no data collection and that these orders are not based on the data collection she thanks they should be and can you explain why we are taking

the section now without collecting that kind of demographic data and i thank you talked about basic rules on data collection. >> two different points. first, i'm somewhat amused because the previous majority generally completely rejected my idea for an incubator program several years ago and it's remarkable the complaint that the process of lisa is now in the difference and secondly, all we are doing and we decided to do in the fight was the original draft and is to decide to establish an activator program and we seek to comment on what the contours of that program should be. there is no reason i can think of why the advisory committee and number one they would have to study the issue of recommendation before we took the steps to establish the incubator or number two white we would necessary be precluded from working in tandem as the

public's input on what they think the activator program should be and specifically that's one of the things we have asked them to do and we spoke to peers members and said this is an issue that is foreign to me and you know where i stand on incubator in particular and on broadcast diversity generally and that's why we have sub working group on this issue but we want to you to get to work so please do give us your ideas as soon as you can and as thoroughly as you can. >> [inaudible] i thought she was trying to the incubator program. i could be wrong about that. >> [inaudible] >> on the general ownership rules i think all reasonable people those studies this issue will acknowledge that the record is clear here and well-established in the third

circuit itself, commissioner riley pointed out has a firm, for example, the impropriety of the broadcast role for years and always simply do is recommend in fact that the record at this point was full and that the evidence we base our decision on was valid and time to take action and not a time for further delay for the sake of delay. >> thank you, mr. chairman. you talk only about how your travels around the country and form the policymaking you do in washington and how many conversations have you had said she became chairman roughly speaking with lifeline suscribers. >> several i can think of. i was lead and ask when i met if i asked if they were lifeline suscribers but we had conversations in flagstaff and on the outskirts of reno and a great number of them, i would

think. >> how did those in form the item that you put it on today? >> i think it underscores it. here's an example. i recently met with a member of a tribe from new mexico into my office and said we need them for structure and we are lucky if we can get to g and part of our reservation and a lot of our younger members in particular are simply left on the wrong side of the divide and we need deployment here and i think it is noticeable that periods tribes from alaska and washington state and oregon and new mexico and you name it you voice support for proposals that i might add on rural tribal lands that the previous ftc has adopted in 2015 and this is the dean order of the idea that we read about today and i think the only thing has changed here is

the identity of the person who is leaving the commission, not so much the validity of the issue itself. >> can you tell us if you had any contact with the -- >> i have not. >> or any media ship ownership rules. >> know. have a date. >> now will transition to the bureau press conference. >> as usual, we will go in order of items on the agenda and then to see if the questions and the first one was the -- cgp is here and please, come up.

>> the draft item that was released three weeks ago was just a report in order but it's been press release and commissioner clyburn mentioned a proposed rulemaking that included that she had about what kind of affect you are having and what service providers and i wonder if you could elaborate on is that an expense of the -- >> further notice we will have questions on two topics. how can we ensure that our rules are effective and what information we should gather to gauge the effectiveness of the rules. the other part of the concern is how we can ensure that any erroneous blocking can be

corrected and we have already encouraged carriers who choose to block to implement a simple process that makes it easy to make those kinds of fractions and we are also asking questions with further notice about how that process can be made more effective. >> anything further on this one? alan. >> same editor. he wants to know how many communities have more than eight stations and again, we are counting [inaudible] -- >> that would be media issue so this is a consumer bureau that will be here in a -- >> lifeline. >> not this group. we will go through the agenda but this is the robo call issue so get to that question a bit later. >> thank you. >> we moved to the other questions on second frontiers.

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and then not apply some people would like to know those changes were version?. >> maybe the best way to answer this there were some of adjustments made to use satellite providers but some of those other cases those did not change steve mckinney specify at this point?. >>. >> the next item i'm sorry.

wireless do not go away. any questions? okay. next wireline infrastructure any questions on that item? the next is the life line-item? any questions? next is the media ownership by the?. >> there are actually three media bureau items as.

>> can you explain i gotta little mixed up. >> there was an item change to those republican offices. >> this is a presumptive waiver. >>. >> the third commissioner mention a couple of changes with its change mentioning privacy?. >> there is an item added regarding privacy. >> that doesn't create a rule?. >> and then she also

mentioned the exception to this simulcast rules or that requirement?. >> you will see when it comes out there was the exception made to the programming rights for the simulcast requirement. >> said you cannot get access to the rights for both screens you have to follow the requirement?. >> it does provide flexibility so both of those streams. >> that is all i've got. >> does anybody know more then eight independently owned stations? navarinos

on the end? that the paper co. >> just to make sure that included all stations?. >> commissioner ray lee says your. >> i am cold and hungary. [laughter] any questions or any thing we can answer?.

>> you mentioned there will likely be a sequel what do you think has changed specifically to address those concerns in the past?. >> i think the item that you can see it to make the larger point there has been a question regarding the availability and has championed addis is wonderful but to those items actually change and the answer is yes. but it is quite expensive and it's why there were

concerns that had been addressed so readily that provides an opportunity that hopefully there are a number of things that are percolating item even though those logistics'. >> have you feel this is done as a whole new rulemaking?. >> 1996 was the original rule provision with very little modifications since then looking at this item and that is where we are now looking at my last dissent we have done all of that.

the problem with the last commission i think they ignored the the record and willfully we can succeed to get this over the normal barriers. >> you mentioned with those spectrum screens and the you could not discuss that but could you explain that?. >> i asked to raise that question if there should be removed. and one did not appreciate that making that into the final cut so often with those to go even though if we agree. >> has that topic, began?.

>> i imagine it will. >> i certainly had interest in raising that. >> so moving forward is having a minimum of a contribution to the of that sort a red line for you?. >> literally means so far it has to have a budget those other components are incredibly important there is a couple of ideas people have come back with to say absolutely not there is no way to collect cash and then

they thought about that that people do by more service is that is an opportunity to calexico there are some ideas putting forward but they have to make the pretty compelling argument play it should move forward. >> you both have done some travel recently since chairman pai took over how many conversations have you had?. >> cannot quantify the number but i have talked to a number of people in the met with the number of subscribers lenders did the plight that many have that is why with the minimum contribution in trying to extract from those that our destitute or don't have of

that capability and that is the conversations certainly trying to figure out what can be done it at one time i was suggesting with that argument i don't have a bank account can do this than i am homeless would you expect me to do? fifth half but i don't have a list. >> but with that broad range of staples from all walks of life but we have met with a wide range of people. >> you have?.

>> i just looked and quantify one way to end or another with the stakeholders in that context in an open door with all of those meetings. >> i have a couple of questions will that require all consumers to have a new set or converter box also with at&t and verizon you should not require herb viewers to pay for a service they're not receiving we have no idea which direction this is going we don't know what broadcasters will take up with interest going forward we don't know all we know today as we are willing to accept the standard. i don't mr. lee wanted in

the rules that i was willing to go along with the processing think it is way too early to analyze those questions they are appropriate but way too early. and despite some people's interest. we will be listening to those arguments. >> in a long before the converter box is in place. they were all variations with the carriage issue to keep my eye on but think it is way too early to know and they will set one up in phoenix with it is way too

early to play down the law in my opinion. >> so all to believe that would require those converter boxes? and for those to pay for a service. >> we have tucci analog service allowing carriers to sunset so what do they do? with a five-year transition period. there is no decision the we have made if those consequences are made me do nothing we have five years and said that veers other transitions and we continue to be here to address any issues that may come up.

some of that experience and with similar transitions. >> part of the proposal i think 70 percent of her scribers and there has been discussion of those facilities based providers will fill the gap? like you support that proposal for those with of pilot program? >> people came in and give us our feedback is a 7%

number bad is non facilities based providers and other portions of the items we can reform the of program and see how the record develops. >> i agree with that to explore this exact issue we get more data points to the points that you raise. anyone? have a lovely day. [inaudible conversations]

>> the application the lead to my colleagues to this that you needed to hear from the riverside bin from someone who can still we an optimist so that being said you probably want what she sold hopefully we can ask questions with efficiency and speed. >> let me formulate this and my head so i think i am wondering have their bed opportunities for compromise working in a bipartisan manner?. >> i am the impatient optimist trying to receive

compromise up until the very last minute with the changes that we could make it into the wee hours last night sunbury supported some we were clearly against it but i will not give up trying to make changes where convince my colleagues to see things differently and worked in the process. >> previously released this statement with the santry link merger with the standards it had a they changed with the balance in the test to be removed also the sinclair item generally about the media mergers. how do you see that

president going forward further transactions like sinclair me?. >> the sec has had a balancing test in transactions. it takes the merger benefits you can go back decades to see what reflects that approach but quietly and without warning with a very big transactions the agency changed its standard. as a matter of administrative law we should of had a rule making when the agency changes the standard that should be subject to notice and comment so i dissented, that was issued quietly and without warning and what is most concerning for the next big transaction that

involves a larger broadcast company that. >> you said they could all be custom built for sinclair to have a since with your republican colleagues in what is that evidence?. >> i cannot tell you with any type of clarity what is in their head but i can only tell you what i see from where i sit the we have a engaged in a series of media of policy changes that this agency better striking that the one thing they have in common their all custom built for a company called sinclair broadcasting we have changed joint services agreement policy, you h as discount now media ownership

rules and a taliban standard for which his company owns patents. i can only of the the state appoints to tell you there is a common thread without those throughout those efforts and initiatives. >> do you share the concern of the belief that german pai should recuse himself for these reasons? to make a preshave many members of congress have written to the agency requesting he stepped down. >> you personally to take a position?. >> i think it is striking how many members of congress have written the commission asking that he do so for quite a remember in my history of working here that ever happening before. >> commissioner cliburn

mentioned the courts stepping in what was she talking about? the neck i think that was the immediate -- media ownership issue making several trips to the third circuit court of appeals it is my a expectation they will review that in the future as well. >> do you think that investigation with sinclair israeli good idea? immelt i appreciate a lot of members believe that should be done. >> you don't have a position where. >> i think it is striking how members of congress have written us and also i believe that is unprecedented that is that

it is a treat to be back here is a privilege of maybe we can make some noise thank you for what you do. [inaudible conversations]

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