and prince charles also writing a biography of queen elizabeth the second booktv has covered that you can watch that of mine. booktv c-span2. [applause] >> will go. today we will hear from two people, a katy tur tony hill is a cbs news correspondent previously a senior writer and a reporter at "newsweek" with an article that led to his book he also holds up master's degree from columbia university so he

has some of miami routes as a correspondent for msnbc from 89 a recipient of the cronkite award for journalism and called disgraceful and not nice by then candidate donald trump. [laughter] [applause] she reportedos on the most captivating fall as high as a candidate in american history including adam memorable news conference and later at a rally before the election last year he called her out by name and some in the crowd turned against her. as a front row seat to decrease his campaign in historyti it is bizarre our

american center for reality show host to the white house also of what it was like to be there as it happened where reporters were discredited. [applause] >> hello. is true i am mr. katy tur. >> i wanted a softball interview. [laughter] >> and i - hope to avoid some

of that means there are no marital issues to work out. [laughter] i was hoping to get the feedback how many have already read the book? we have a lot of curious people may be on the fence. because the of the donald trump and katy tur trajectory are intertwined in a fascinating way eddying is a political neophyte making unexpected progress in the primary campaign he was not a political reporter sotol the nice people what it was you were doing.

>> research judgment if they are nice and tall after they buy the book. [laughter] i was a foreign correspondent i was in a london i just came back to newd york for a couple of days because the of a tendency to forget you if you are overseas it was a slow period so i went to the newsroom i was standing around chatting with one of my colleagues and donald trump was making headlines saying that mexico was sending racist into the country so donald trump rand was stop - - drop in the division and nbc said we will not air this any longer

so there was a story that needed to be covered what would you put a political reporter on donald trump? they said who would do this somebody said katy tur she is just handing around which i was. [laughter] i ended up covering one story then t to bin three by the third or fourth day i was told the president of nbc news wanted to assign me to the campaign full time. i thought of myriad of things but no. what i was living overseas and i have a vacation in sicily in one week with a french boy friend. [laughter]

and they don't take me seriously putting me on the donald trump campaign they must think i am a joke as well. [laughter] so i called the friend of mine who covered mitt romney whoo was urging me to do a political campaign just once because it is unlike anything else it is grueling but fascinating he urged me to do after he stopped laughing. so i said yes. i was assured by my boss it will be six weeks tops. [laughter] and if he gets to the white house view of the white house correspondent as he steps through the elevator door and it shuts off. >> you owe it is it important as the conversation takes place in

the hallway as elevator doors shut. [laughter] >> not in the office the maquis have gatherings later to become these rallies that cable networks would carry but o they were much smaller europe the first one in new hampshire talk about that in contrast with what we have seen later and also the interesting waited you seem to be in a dynamic from the beginning. w >> one of the first rallies was around a backyard pool in new hampshire with a couple hundred people people thought he was trying to just get attention because what was he trying to a get this negative attention but

the a.d. it is he would not make it to the debate or get laughed off stage. so at this backyard pool only a couple hundred people people were wondering what in the world he was doing he was on stagege resembling. no coherent reason why he was campaigning b except i want the wall i believe that mexico is sending racist so i get more standing ovations than anybody in katy tur your not paying attention period the middle of this and he wasn't even talking to me i had never met him i had not share the same error no reason in my mind for you to know who i was.

my producer gave me an edge and i said i am tweeting way you are saying and that was the dynamics the very first day to call the help while he was on stage -- to call meme out. >> why did he take a particular interest from the beginning? [laughter] you can have your assumptione but he wants to be taken seriously. as aas network correspondent assigned to cover his campaign and that is an honor as a candidate but the

broadcast network with the legacy of nbc news to assign a reporter full time to you. you must have seen me very early on he wanted to charm me that he could rely on for favorable coverage remember nbc news he has a longstanding relationship with nbc airing "the apprentice."im before any other it -- respondents were assigned to coverza him full time of the reporters would cover i up he did not know who they were. he paid much more attention to my reporting and if i

started the campaign into your area as a local correspondent. >> in the beginning you gave of the italian vacation and the french boyfriend and a beautiful apartment in london as a job as a foreign correspondent to follow donald trump a person at that time everybody considered to be a joke why would you give up so much?. >> i am still struggling to figure this out every few weeks i looked in said need to move back to j london. it was a dream job to be the foreignon correspondent with the legacy news network is

extremelyt covet meet people you would never meet while somebody else pays for it and it is perfect. >> you saw something that this would be worth b it?. >> it was a six week assignment i i had nothing to lose. as it continued he became a more captivating or fascinating. i was not about to get off the ride and nobody understood what he was trying to achieve or why so many people were so excited by him we were still trying to figure that out to this day and try to understand that myself i wasn't going to say no to that when it is

low you can be tend to be forgotten it is a'' to say why be happy when you can be great? that is what i was thinking withe this moment i have an opportunity to do something great to see history unfold before my eyes it is a shame that that is what we do watch history in the making love him or hate him he was history in the making breaking every norm, defying political gravityso and exciting. >> host: everybody thought after a certain point there were all these lines in the

sand the said prosecutors would say that was it but i can attest to this because i worked for nbc was she was covering trump. >> we met in the makeup room. [laughter] you were a lone voice of skepticism that he would burn out and crashed while you so confident to say something is happening?. >> wasn't confident it my pipsqueak voice. >> there was enthusiasm and devotion that the other candidates were not receiving. he went after john-- mccain.

as an american politician where they went after a veteran or prisoner of war not only gets away with it see the up popularity rise that is unheard of. you don't go after veterans you just do not do especially the republican party. but donald trump did aunt the poll numbers went up and a few weeks later when he went to mobile alabama 20,000 people showed up he said itr] was 40,000. [laughter] he always lies about the numbers. he almost always doubles it but it goes to show there is something about donald trump

that whenever he said terribly insensitive it didn't matter people liked it and i would get on the call with those who are well respected very much to this day in tennessee that have been before that said this is silly. by the time the fall rolls around they will not want to watch a rally it is christmas eve will be with their families by january they will be serious on politics he could never win but is the events were still huge and there were still so excited to see him. >> anybody in the room ben to a donald trump proudly?

i would say fewer than 2 percent of the audience so what is it like to be in the middleid of a trump raleigh to be caged in with the other journalist?. >> a lot of the time sometimes it will sound offensive you will assume that the root is not with him. you can tell what is happening or how people are responding.in there were multiple instances where he would say something like get the baby out of here he was clearly joking but it did not come off that way somebody treated but that was not how it read but he never lost any room.

even saying truly wild stuff. so what in god's name? [laughter] is donald trump doing? to say you have to cover this in the morning. it is crazy into madness. indians are ben carson supporters evangelicals in iowa clearly looked up to ben carson budget donald trump was the eviscerating

him to call him names. and it is the you have a point to. [laughter] so to defy the odds. not only the trump rallies with the gas stations or the airports to become the of bellwether and i can tell you cabdrivers in miami, washingtonve d.c., d.c., st. louis , north carolina nine times out of time at - - ninth is that whatever trumpho supporters. >> her book is a memoir not

in effort to talk about the inside workings of the trump campaign but it is her perspectives with kirk time on the campaign. i like to hear you talk about how you thought of covering donald trump a. >> and despair. >> you just asked seven questions in one. >> so now we are a cable news show. >> teeeight thank you covered him fairly and accurately?.

>> i think i was tough on donald trump would to a is part of the reason he kept calling me out on stage he deserved to have coverage anybody the runs for president deserved as tough a coverage as you can give them because they're running for the country. [applause] and you want to be as thorough as you can. that person needs to be fullynd vested the is he would say things that our untrue but he was treated unfairly from a certain perspective for a rally by can tell you

what was happening in the room with that criticism of the media in general but we do need to look back to figuree out how to do 2020 to make sure we do that as well as we can. and the good wincing of your opinions. and to cover the voters a little bit more than putting them on television every single day. because all politics are local each community was voting based on what they wanted to change as they can

now november 8th those places where obama of one twice and voting for donald trump because those economic issues with all of those outrageous things he said and did with a whole bin change they did not see that quality ofik life and the feeling of those issues may be there is is a gamble that is done to ask those people if the gamble paid off. >> i covered trump rallies from the outside there was

the time when the house side was so violent but to retain the be a part of the control where the ugly things were yelled so house saved did you feel in the middle of a crowd when dollar trump himself was hissing in your direction?. >> i was hiding in miami one day. you compartmentalize.

en to have p some behavior that you can imagine. we were all more guarded and bin there was a rally in new orleans where protesters got ugly subway was trapped or was pushed and though whole crowd was about to tumble into this bicycle rack it the middle of the rally they're praying number of moments but with that muslims and -- banned in south carolina and the belly of a battleship and to give

you an idea san birdie no had happened and in response and a the following monday donald trump is not dominating the headlines. then comes out big day with no warning to make an announcement to a press release with the there was a ban of muslims cut into the country we were interviewing people waiting to get to the rally but this was a bridge too far. with the entire religion of people. >> where you were and what

it was like on the presidential level. >> we were in south carolina there were few and far between we just back from lunch at a great place perot but we went back to the hotel. we ran into another of our colleagues and then to prop up on the h computer. and then needs to laughter that uncomfortable way.

we said what is and though world value looking at? so we were refreshing the e-mail that he is announcing that ban on all muslims i have theon phone on my hand and trying to read it and they said you have to go live. if you were watching cable news from thev campaign every single b hour on the our. and then they said you have to get on tv. i haven't had a chance to call the campaign it doesn't matter they need you to

explain so i call in and then we talk for 10 or 15 minutes to figure out what this statement means and how it might affect the donald trump can paid or how the voters respond or the democratic party or the political establishment would respond. .sn . being the victim of a terrt attack. so there was that, and how was that going to schwa donald trump supporters opinions where has donald trump been before this and why doing this at this particular moment? blah blah blah so we rush total venue do these interviews with supporters outside and then go inside to wait for donald trump to arrive and people are angry they're scared as i mention san bernardino had just happened.

and donald trump had been saying and was saying with this announcement that the obama administration wasn't vetting people. they weren't vetting people who were coming into the country and that's why these terrorist attacks are happening they're going happen more often. muslims are build bombs in their living rooms. their muslim neighbors aren't telling authorities about it and they're hiding them and the media is complicit because the media isn't reporting on it. they're not reporting on the the failures of the obama administration. so the room was scared. the room was angry and we couldn't find anybody who thought this was a bad idea. the most we got was -- i've got to think about it. the -- the other end of the spectrum it would be what would be better if we took port to muslims. >> and at time that donald trump

is making this announcement he's also conducting a twitter feud with you and another reporter. >> he was upset about a tweet that i sent out literally tweets that i sent out a few days earlier at a rally -- in raleigh ten times fast a rally in raleigh -- [laughter] there are five point in the book it's not just political stuff this the book but funny moments. where -- a bunch of protest got organized and they kept interrupting his speech over and over again at like five to ten minute intervals enough to abrupghtly stop talking, and left left the stage . to shake hands with people and i said this is on twitter and he was furious about it. sent e-mail saying trump thought your tweets were disgrace of the not nice -- best hope. after sending that e-mail had he

followed up on his twitter feed tweeting out i'm a lace yarr and should be fired in five tweets and so my twitter feed is full of people calling me a lie your and saying i'm disgusting making fun of me and my family, and -- and also death threats. but when you were -- >> it jumps from digital to real world in belly of that battleship. >> we're in the belly of the battleship as sorry we're jumping around hope you're with following as drowmp is getting on stage to make this announcement this muslim been announcement and it is the atmosphere is it shall tense, i mean, it is a tender box you throw a match in and whole place would with light on fire. it is a -- not a skier rei room but best to keep a low profile so i'm the sitting like sitting on the platform where the cameras are cameras are all above so i'm kind of keeping my head down because he kawtsed me out i didn't want to -- be visible i didn't want to be

as visible as i normally am standing in front of cram. so donald trump starts with poll numbers as he always does -- and he takes stage and before he gets to muslim ban he starts talking about the media. and then he -- saying what a lie it was -- as if the room knew what he was talking about. what a lie it was from katy tur. she's back there little katy. he's pointing -- and i'm like sitting right here he's -- live on every channel. trying to figure out what's going on so it was live and entire room thousands turn at once and start booing at me screaming -- in person saying the things they were saying online but saying them to my face, and it was nerve wrecking, my phone again starts going off like crazy. not just people on twirts but my

colleagues and my bosses and my mom saying what in the world is happening? because she's watching it on television -- are you safe are you okay she's concerned. but i put my -- put my phone off i put it down over here because i have a job to do he's making a major announcement. >> how do you keep doing that job when that kind of attention -- >> i've learned at this point because he's gone of a me so many times i learned at this point in order to defuse the situation -- is smile and you wave. so i did that i smited and i waved at this angry crowd and they got bore ed and turned around. >> how were you personally angry at donald trump? himself -- or -- >> in the moment you let it go because you have a job to do. especially on that night. you let it go. you have a job to do that's what i kept doing. i'm not a part of the story let it go i was frustrated by it i

didn't want to be a part of the story i did not want chris matthews to ask it two seconds later which he did -- it is true these are not stories told live on msnbc put them in volume before we go to speaking of doing her job, i'm -- i love the fact that you were one-of-the- first people in america to know about the -- access hollywood tape. [laughter] the grab them by the tame. >> much more interesting today than it was a year ago. >> a fascinating chapter in your story, and i love the -- journalistic process of having to get comment from the trump campaign. so when you're a journalist you finds something out o and go to the person who is -- who is relevant to what you found out you say what do you think about this? but it's a little different. a slight -- slightly more direct booking

plug yes this book is about the campaign but when you get from it is behind the scenes look pulled by curtain so see what it is like and what your lives are like and campaign like behind the scene and treat reporters what are things that they said that may have been appropriate or not. and then in these weird -- history making moments, what is it like to have to put something like that on television? and this was odd because this is a tape that -- was language that you can't put on tv. of a if presidential candidate bragging it seems about being able to assault women. and they let you do it because you're a star and so i see the tape i exclaim loudly in executive office where i'm being shown it. oh, my god did donald trump say you can grab them by the --

but i said the word in the moment. and -- my boss looks at me she's is like yes he did. we need the campaign to comment on it. weern going to put it on tv right after you get that comment so get a comment write a script, and let's get it on television. and so i e-mail hope and jason and e-mail is picks and jason miller who were communication team on the the trump campaign and e-mail word for word is in the book. and it's something like -- you know, mr. trump said that you can grab them by the -- and he also talked about -- f 'king a married woman with and word for word things did you have a comment -- [laughter] they did not respond. [laughter] but then i have to figure out how to put all of these rated r things into pg13 format for daytime cable news tv. and so i think -- i -- i said grab them by the p word

sexual advances -- which is totally not fair to sexual advances. [laughter] yeah, and i mean it's fascinating looking back the on it seems if anything was going to break this campaign this would the whole place went silent, dark kellyanne conway canceledded tv appearances at the time was unheard of. [laughter] but yeah test interesting to look back on it now especially considering what is happening in the mean to campaign, and how the president is weighing in on al franken talking about a tape that is ignoring fact that he has his own -- anyway questions -- [laughter] >> yes or there are microphones in the center and we can assist with questions to get right to yours. >> but we -- since we doapght have a lot of time the question not statements. [laughter] okay.

first question is -- but his poll numbers went with up and few weeks later when gen- had done. were these tough enough? >> it could have tougher to be honest, and second question is, many of donald trump's most of donald trump's policy adversely effect people who voted for him. do you think that those people will maybe buy knicks so they shouldn't come to realization that they voted for someone that is doing them in. >> you know, i don't know. you're right some of the policies that he's spoken about or enacted the deregulation or -- the rollback of regulation would potentially affect them in a negative way when it comes to u.s. epa standards. the gutting of obamacare is going to affect a lot of people. this tax plan could potentially raise the taxes of the lower class and palace down the line

that might happen, though, until the last election cycle for those roll backs to sees we don't have that full bill voted on yet so it could change. you know i don't know, i mean, it depends on job creation do people, do they have jobs -- is the job better than the jobs they have before? do they want to continue giving him a four more years for another chance to try to push things through is this i don't know. depends. >> i wanted to thank you for being here i admired your coverage and hope you keep at it and i wanted to ask -- how in the world u do you put up with -- these comments from the other side when you offer them to try to give a balance and you know it's nonsense. how can you do any better -- how can therk do any better in the future? >> i have to reject the premise the other side is not -- we -- you have to think about reporters and -- journalists and it's a good rear

we're not out to convince anybody how to vote it's not our job to convince trump voters not to votes for him again and democrats to vote for democrats but it's our job to give you all of the information that -- that is out there to fact check where we need to con tech churlize and give you everything you immediate to -- need to make the decision that you want to make. so when people don't have facts behind them i try to push back regardless of whether or not they're a democrat or a republican it's tough right now, though, because -- there's a lot of people have a lot of feel like they have a lot of license to just say fake news. when they decide they don't like something or there's a fact that they don't like and this is really problematic because it allows people to just decide that anything they don't want to hear they don't have to hear and they don't have to believe and

that is going to o i think negatively affect all of us in the future. so my plea to all of you and thank you for asking this so i can give my plea is -- to do your best. to police your facebook feeds your twitter feeds whatever social media you use, and to be very -- critical when you look at certain articles and make sure that you're getting accurate information and you haven't just reading the things that you want to hear. and that you do take a moment to hear other side as well and have conversations with people maybe they didn't vote the same way you did but better to o understand everyone and cotom place where we can talk again. and accept to share facts again so we can -- make better decisions or good decisions in the future. >> you don't disagree with with something is in your news you're doing it wrong it should be -- it shouldn't be comfortable. thank you.

sometimes i watch daily press and meetings with sarah and i want to get up and strangle her so i would like to know how you guys -- [laughter] don't get up and strangle her. >> first of all that's illegal and that's one of the reasons so white house has been -- that is in a place where a press secretary will try to spin news in their favor. that's just the way things are done. this is i think taking it to a -- third degree. there are times where -- [applause] questions aren't answered or they're just -- i'll get back to you and never

gets back to you and asking about donald trump or the republicans or she's denying things that he has said. so yeah, it's extraordinarily extraordinary frustrating. i wonder how valuable those -- briefings are. personally. >> thank you. we're in the same boat then. [laughter] i think every time somebody spins it's not great for anybody. >> i believe the no spin zone o is available -- hi. so i'm a journalist student and i read your book when it first kale out and you mention you never have a background in political journalism but stood in as a weather girl that help yods cover donald trump better because you didn't have that background in that. but how do you feel that battle -- you know, swamp sort of affected the coverage of donald trump and why people --

accept his victory? [inaudible conversations] i worked for the weather channel i chased tornadoes. i was never allowed to do weather because i don't understand the meteorology but i covered news with the weather and before that a local news reporter and foreign correspondent. i think that it was beneficial going to 016 because i was able to see with fresh eyes. the campaign and the support that he was getting and the enthusiasm he received was out all of the baggage of these are the way things have always been done and he can't possibly survive this because so and so didn't survive this. its it was beneficial. i think that is -- partially what happened during 2016 and some of my -- most revered colleagues who are political people who do live in d.c. -- have admit haded such saying you know part of the reason we didn't see donald trump coming is because we believed everything all of our hype. everything that we had seen come before in washington with.

and how important it is to get out there and on -- bonn the road and not just rely on pollses actually talk to people and -- see something smell something feel something, be inside those rallies and get a sense of -- the momentum and the movement. so that's also part of the reason why i -- didn't go to d.c. myself there was a few things. he was one of them. but one of the other one was that i just think it is better to -- to talk about it from the outside. and to try and maintain the fresh eyes i had in 2016. >> so thank you. thank you. >> also congratulations on your wedding. >> thank you. [applause] hl low i'm marsha and it's a pleasure to meet you i've been watching you since you started and great to see you and evolved into a wonderful news reporter. >> thank you very much.

>> go back to sunday, november 6th. >> okay. >> that morning on all of the news stations -- everyone was reporting that it was hillary -- hillarys to lose. she -- it was hillarys to lose and her percentage of her winning were across the board. 60, 70, 80 all the way up to one agency reporter said 98%. what happened? >> to watch nbc -- what happened? >> what happened? i think she wrote a book called what happened. [laughter] doesn't tell enough. the polls were wrong they were want totally wrong but they were just wrong enough to to -- lose or not lose the election but --

about miscall the election. i believe it was number six might have been the day before that james comey said the investigation the investigation through e-mail was done. i was talking to a -- senior clinton aid who said that they felt that was worst thing that could have happened because it brought the e-mail not the reopening which they didn't like either. but then the closing because instead of bringing closure to that, it brought it back up again. and it made people remember it because remember the access hollywood tape was really bad for trump and really, really, really bad for trump and the only thing that kind of got him out of that hole after 50 former and current republican lawmakers were saying i wouldn't vote for was reopening of the e-mails and what that did and i'm not saying that was the -- nail on coffin for clinton but what that did was it enabled

moderate republicans or o republicans on fence or republicans who did not want to vote for donald trump saying i'm voting for hill because i can't vote for somebody who might be on federal investigation. which is ironic. but we didn't know at time that donald trump was under invest because if fbi didn't inform anybody and there's questions about the double standard for there. so the polls were wrong just enough, and i think that there's a bunch and clinton family didn't go to michigan and probably should have gone to michigan and department make sure their blue wall was going to stand the combny investigation didn't help. what was going on with russia we still don't though. i think we're still a bit away from figuring out exactly what happened on november th and why -- why donald trump ultimately won. >> but can't discount enthusiasm that he had people just loved

him. thank you. >> thank you. good things must come to an end i'm so sorry because this conversation is absolutely very engaging and inspiring. >> thank you -- thank you katy. thank you tony please buy the book. please buy the book. [laughter] sorry about that. [applause] thank you very much.we have gots statement that we will be live all day tomorrow on sunday. joining us on our booktv said at miami-dade college katy tur of nbc. her book unbelievable, my front row seat to the greatest campaign in american history. katy tur reading this