[inaudible conversations] >> so the senate is back in session in about 15 minutes at 2:15 p.m. eastern. senators will resume their consideration of jerome powell to be the chairman of the

federal reserve. we will have it live for you on c-span2. show you now than area outside the senate meeting room where this is an area called the ohio clock near the clock on the top right of your picture. a lot of reporters waiting for senators to come out. they are currently having their weekly lunch meetings and often come out after the meeting and speak with reporters. if they do we will get that right here for you live on c-span2. as we wait for the senator or senate to gavel in we will show you some of this morning's washington journal. >> washington examiner is joining us, politics editor talking about the shutdown and the end of it. hello. >> how is it going to. >> loss from this process? >> is a setback for chuck schumer. i think the thought was republicans always lose government shutdown battles and that is how it has been for over 20 years now there has never been one of these stalemates that is ended well for the

republicans. this one was a little different and i think there was no cleari and game for the democrats. what they were going to accomplish an extract from the trump, i think, the hope was there would be such an overwhelming backlash that it would reinforce the idea that trump washington is chaotic and i think a lot of the democratic base thought of this as an uprising of sorts against a racist president after the as whole countries comments and i think that enraged a lot of the liberal base but the problems the democrats have is that they have a number of senators who are up for reelection this year in states the present one. there are ten trumps the democrats were up. this year it was very clear that democrats in the states and some other democrats in reddish states were not super enthusiastic about the shutdown from the very beginning. you saw some moderates and some democrats in red states beginning to buckle as early as friday.

it wasn't clear that senator schumer was never going to hold his caucus together long enough for this to work in on top of that the public opinion was favoring the democrats a bit nationally. but it wasn't very overwhelming and it was starting to go the wronggg way. mitch mcconnell, obviously, comes out of it something of a winner because it's another case where he was able to outmaneuver senator schumer. the moderates in both parties come out a bit of a winner because they were important to the dealmaking process by which this was resolved. >> we saw susan collins this morning andd joe manson. >> senator collins was the only out front citing her leadership, senator mansion is running for reelection this year in a state that president trump one by 42 points. important for him to distinguish himself from the national democratic brand so their ability to resolve this and resolve this quickly relatively speaking is really important for mansion politically and collins

as a leader in the senate. >> host: our guest is with us until the end of the show. color numbers and you can post questions or comments under at c-span wj. how did messaging go on the republican side? particularly with the onset of the schumer shutdown? >> guest: i think the democrats had a conflict in their message. one they were saying that the shutdown was unnecessary and it was the president fault in the republicansd fault but do they were also seen at the same time that it was very important to shut down the daca issue is so important that the government shutdown is justified. you can make either one of those arguments but you can't make them both at once. i think that completed their messaging whereas republicans had a pretty ta clear-cut messe that the democrats have an immigration driven, government shutdown they are pushing and while it is possible democrats for the one thathe messaging moe

nationally it was putting their vulnerable senatee incumbents ad some of their vulnerable house of commons but in particular ready state senate incumbents in a tricky position. >> host: now we have a new deadline and how do besides deadline? on the >> guest: i thank you heard senator schumer say yesterday that there is 17 days now to save the dreamers or people will begin getting deported. that is intended, i think, to put pressure on republicans. obviously, republican to argue that the real deadline is march 5 with this court ruling maybe even later than that. democrats are goingde to counter of over a hundred people a day losing their daca protection so we really have to act now. it is an urgent matter and there is no guarantee that it is likely this court ruling will be overturned on appeal. i don't think there's a lot of confidence that the courts will resolve this issue in favor of the dreamers necessarily.

democratso are willing to passa legislative position in the two sides don't seem to be close together and what that solution would really look like. >> host: and even house republicans, steve scalise himself says that it is tied with the senate did. >> guest: i think that is the problem a lot of progressive activist have with senator schumer. it really goes very far in the direction of why mitch mcconnell guaranteeses and even if you accept his guarantees at face value there isn't a lot that you can guarantee. you can't guarantee that president trump would sign the bill and you can't guarantee that the house would pass it so immigration hawks has more leverage in this fight than they ever have. for over a decade this has been something that both parties have been battling b but usually at e negotiating table you have republicans and democrats fundamental agree with each other on immigration trying to

cause a bill that might have enough border security concessions s to move a few stragglers into the coalition. this time president trump has had everyone from tom cotten to lindsey graham and the democrats all at the table together so on the one hand that presents an option for a real compromise on immigration but on the other hand it means you are dealing with people who have diametrically opposed views that can sometimes make it harder to get a solution. >> host: first call is from mike in pennsylvania, independent line. you are on, mike. go ahead. >> caller: okay. only one who lost -- i still can understand what in the world somethingg like daca has to do with anything with the president. who and why did the republicans insist that that could be included in that bill in the first place -- it seems like a completely separate issue to me and my second question or it is

for that woman who called in the previous stating that that c-span was owned by cnn was just another example of the ignorant uninformed thinking that goes on in this country. i just don't understand what anyone will be able to do about that. i don't know if you have opinion on that. >> host: we will leave it there, mike. >> guest: mostly democrats wanted daca in the continuing resolution because mostly they believe that if you attach it to a must past any bill they could get a clean daca legislative fix with a minimum or no concessions to republican immigration whatsoever. it was really people who wanted to see a clean daca pics past and wanted this to be part of the spending and that was part of why republicans were able to push back against this

successfully. in the past it was often the republicans were looking to insert extraneous policy battles into must have government spending bill and were be back for doing so. it may not have been the political role of simply republicans always lose but the party that is perceived as the aggressor in the government shutdown is at a disadvantage. >> host: another mike and marilyn, republican line mike, all right, we'll go to john in florida. >> caller: good morning. [inaudible] mitch final hopefully will listen toel the president of the nuclear option so when we when the senate becomes democrats [inaudible]

>> host: some context on that. >> guest: that is doubling the risk of making these changes as you will not be in the majority forever although the map is pretty favorable to republicans this year. at the same time, it's not a very good political climate for republicans overall. risk and president has been very frustrated by the ways of washington in general but in particular the fact that you have a filibuster that allows the democratic minority to effectively block a lot of m legislation and he has been lobbying to get the senate to do away with filibuster or alter the rules so that there is not a 60 vote super majority required to and debate. this effectively gives a minority some veto power over legislation. i don't know that would happen and -- number one, mitch mcconnell is not happy about

that idea in general and you a lot of senate institutionalist in both parties who are disinclined tortin do that immigration might be a tough issue to do that on in general simply because your core defectors on this are republicans themselves. it is not clear when you have a lindsey graham or jeff flake or john mccain who is off the reservation, so to speak, on this issue that a 51 vote threshold -- >> we break away from this to get you live to that senate hallway where we see the majority leader, speaking to reporters. >> good afternoon everyone. not only do we get the government back up and running yesterday but we also checked off a few more items that need to be dealt with here in the next month or so. the six-year reauthorization on the children's health bill. we had several obamacare taxes, two-year extension of a delay of