but the fact is i had to change my number. but then we made a plan. that's, my good friend, he was an executive producer for a show that i was doing on fusion.

now he's working on abc and he's going to be my boss one day again. and he came to my office. he told me you have to go to iowa. what are you talking about? you have to go to dubuque iowa. this was the plan. donald trump was going to give me an interview and had to change my cell phone number but still we had many questions to the candidate because we needed to confront him. he did want to talk to me but i wanted to talk to him. so television doesn't happen. you create it. you produce it. it doesn't happen just like that. that's exactly what we did. we planned on going to dubuque, iowa, where candidate trump was going to be speaking. not to new york because it would've been impossible to ask him some questions in a press conference in new york with

hundreds of journalists. we thought in dubuque, iowa, there would be just a few journalists following the candidate, and we were right. so we showed up like two hours before. we brought three cameras and then we made a plan. i was going to be wearing a microphone so my voice would be exactly the same level as his at the time when we start editing. then we had the three cameras well-positioned, the lighting was right. and then i made a plan. i had seen howbeit interrupted everyone asking him questions saying excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. and they would never finish the questions. so my plan was to finish my question at the end and i would keep on talking. and also something that had to do with body language. if i waited and asked my questions sitting down, he would be ahead of me and they would be this unbalance it would be almost impossible to maneuver. so i decided to ask my questions standing up.

and that tends absolutely everything. any journalist would do, you never wait for a candidate to tell you now is your turn. i noticed a space. there was a pause and then i said, mr. trump, i have a question about immigration. he heard. he knew what was going on. he didn't look at me. he didn't look at me. he said next question. he pointed like that. but i was right there so i know exactly what to do. i kept on asking my question, and then he said go back to univision. but let me show you what happened and then i will explain to you what happened afterwards took. ♪ ♪ >> mr. trump, i have a question about immigration. >> next, please.

sit down. sit down. >> no. i am an immigrant citizen. the right to ask a question. >> , no, you don't. you haven't been called to go back to univision. go ahead. >> you cannot deport 11 million people. you cannot build a 1900-mile wall. you cannot deny citizenship to children in this country. >> sit down. >> i am a reporter and i -- don't touch me, sir. please don't touch me. i have a right to ask question. >> yes, in order. >> i have a right to ask a question. >> where? let me see it. >> it's over there. >> you have to wait your turn. >> very rude. it's not about you. get out of my country. get out. >> i am a u.s. citizen. >> well, whatever. univision, no, it's not about you. >> it's about the united states. so that's what happened.

[applause] we planned everything but we never expected that in the united states i candidate will call a bodyguard and throw out a reporter at a press conference simply because that reporter wanted to ask a question. there are a few things i would want to point out. when he said go back to univision. he said come he did know novy,t then he said go back to univision. [laughing] let me think about it. what he was really saying is go back to mexico. go back to your country. that's exactly what he was saying. there's a funny moment, i don't know if you noticed. he threw and eric yes. did you notice? his mouth like that -- air kiss.

that was a signal to the bodyguard to kick me out. so there are two lessons. the first would of course you never ever give your cell phone number to donald trump. [laughing] and the second one, if he throws you and eric yes, run, because -- [laughing] because the bodyguard is coming after you. but look what happened. hate is contagious. we have candidate who is telling you, go back to country. just a few seconds later one of his followers outside the press conference is telling me get out of my country. do you think that that person would've said the same thing if donald trump had not said go back to univision before? i don't think so. i think he is contagious and that's precisely the example that i am seeing on the effect that trump affect nowadays.

there's something bigger happening. let me put in context. i think that there is a huge demographic revolution happening right now in this country when donald trump announces candidacy, already more than half of all the babies under one euro age in the united states were members of a minority. already. and by 2044, i'll be 86 if i'm lucky to be here, by 2044 every single group in this country, everyone, latinos, african-americans, asians, native americans, everyone in this country is going to be a minority. there is a huge change coming in this country, and many people, and i believe donald trump and many of his followers believe that, many people want to change

what is happening. i think donald trump has a nostalgic view of the united states. he wants to go back to 1965 were almost 85% of all people in this country were not hispanic whites. but we cannot go back to that nostalgic view of this country. there were 85% of the population non-hispanic whites. right now there are about 62%. in just about 30 years there's going to be less than 50%. so there's a fear i believe among many people in this country that what they understand is their country is being transformed. and the anti-immigrant sentiment that we are seeing right now has to do precisely with trying to change, to revert the we believe in the united states and revert that demographic change. with that kind of negotiation,

as you know, , at some point donald trump has the possibility to take the daca for the dream act for a few most of his wall. i use small but would because as i said many times, almost 40% of all the undocumented immigrants who come here, they come byplay, with a visa. it doesn't matter how tall you have, how wide you have it, then they come byplay. if he wants to 300 miles of all, let him have his wall. because it's really a stupid wall. it's a a new toy he wants for christmas. and then if we're going to get the dream act before that commitment people, it's not easy to accept that many people were willing to do that. but then he added something else. donald trump wanted to end what he calls chain migration. we we're talking about family reunification. family reunification very simple. do you enjoy spending time with your family? i'm sure you do.

immigrants do, too. and that's exactly what is does happen since 1964, before jfk was killed he wrote a wonderful book for your i was born in 1968 about immigrants, and with those ideas congress changed the law of the land in 1965. let me tell you family unification has been very good to us. almost 40% of all the founders of fortune 500 companies in this country are either immigrants or sons and daughters of immigrants. i think we're doing pretty good. i don't see anything wrong with that. but then donald trump wants to change chain migration. there's a problem. melania. [laughing] >> she's an immigrant, but melania's parents according to the "new york times" and

"washington post", it it was reported just a few days ago, that melania's parents got the green cards recently and that they're in the process of becoming u.s. citizens. i think it's beautiful. i think the son of president trump deserves to be with his grandparents. i really do. i really do. but then how come chain migration is okay for the trump's but chain migration or family reunification is not okay for the rest of america? i don't see that. at the end there's no agreement with daca at this moment because many different reasons. the supreme court got involved and then the court of appeals that they want to revisit the case might do it in late spring and they begin the supreme court in the fall. but the sense of urgency is not there anymore. ideally that by including chain

migration, donald trump and some of his advisers really want to change the essence of what is the united states, which is a diverse, tolbert, multicultural, multiethnic, multiracial country. that is precisely what we have to represent. but then we have a president that for the first time is offending and attacking minorities. this is not normal. i tend to do something that might be political suicide, but every once in a while foxnews invites me to go to their shows and i accept. do you know why i do it? because it's great to have a conversation with you, but most of all it can face immigrants are good for this country and we need to open the conversation with those who don't agree with us. and i know they're going to kill

me. when tucker carlson and when hannity and when laura ingraham invite me, they, i know they're going to kill me. but i know some point i'm going to have a minute to tell them these ideas, to tell them that it is possible to be inclusive, that i am not a criminal, that the other day, three days ago i was with lower ingram and then she showed me a picture of a dreamer who had committed a crime. and then she wanted to infer that because of her, all the other dreamers were exactly the same. it would be absurd if i would say all whites in this country are like stephen paddock, the man who killed 50 people in vegas, or that the all whites s country are like adam lanza, the man who killed 20 kids and six

teachers. it's absurd. you cannot do that. they constantly criminalize what we do. i think it is important to talk to them because otherwise the conversation is going to end here and maybe donald trump is watching maybe some of his followers are watching. so again, these are not normal times. i want to shoot a video in which i put together. some of the racist remarks made by president trump. i say that and really can't believe it. but here's a president making racist remarks, and then we will talk. ♪ ♪ >> they are bringing drugs. they are bringing crimes. they are racist. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of

muslims entering the united states. i think there's blame on both sides. you look at both sides. i think there's blame on both sides. the grandmother in kenya is on record as saying he was born in kenya. we have a representative in congress who they say it was here a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. >> i have judge who is a hater of donald trump, i hated. gonzalo curiel. [booing] the judge you happen to be we believe mexican, which is great. i think that's fine. >> the president asked quote, why are we having all these people from shuttle mac countries come here the president when entente but more people from places like norway. or earthquake. >> i am the least racist person that you have ever met. >> build of that wall, build tt wall. >> so let me try to be very honest with you. i don't know if donald trump is

a racist. i don't know what's in his heart. but i know what's coming out of his mouth, and this is what is coming out of his mouth. that's what i'm saying these are not normal times. so here's a question for each one of you. not only for journalism, for politicians, for each one of you. if this happens what should we do? what should we do? as journalists it's been a dilemma for us because we have a candidate who is making these remarks, and how can we respond as journalists? my first responsibility as a journalist is to report reality as it is, not as i wish it would be. if something is right i say it is red. it 17 people say die, isis 17. that's the most basic responsibility, and to watch the newscast and if you read what i write, then that means you cannot trust what i'm saying.

that is the only way to survive as a journalist, but there's another even more important responsibility, social responsibility that we have as journalists. and that is to question those who are in power and to give voice to the voiceless. because if we don't do that come who's going to do it? it is our responsibility, and there's -- i been criticized, some people say that i'm an activist, some people say that i have a political agenda. no. my answer is very simple. i am just a journalist. asking questions. that's all. sometimes you have to leave neutrality, put it aside, as a journalist. this is controversial. this is not easy to digest. but i believe that as a journalist when you are dealing with racism, discrimination,

corruption, public lies, dictatorships and the violation of human rights, you have to take a stand. because otherwise -- [applause] you have to do it because, otherwise, e.g. stay silent you are complicit. if we stay silent in front of this, we are complicit. you have to do do in a nonviolt way. but you cannot remain silent. because, he goes it's too important. because these are our times and we have to respond to that. now, i'm not the only one here. each one of you have that responsibility in private conversations with your friends at work, in school. that's your responsibility. i was talking with another

person today and he feels exactly the same way. it is our responsibility to do that. let me just finish with this. everything that i am saying to you tonight i have learned it from the dreamers. the representative of the dreamers, thank you for being here, at the dreamers, you remember in 2010 when four of them walk all the way from miami to washington, d.c.? i thought they are going to arrest them and to force them to a country they don't even know. but then after talking with them many, many times, they taught me the best lesson. which is, first of all, we have to recognize our fear. their fear is to be arrested and deported. but after that you have to conquer the fear and do something about it. and they have been incredible.

these kids are rebellious, all radical, and they are in your face, which is a very different strategy than their parents. their parents decided at some point that they needed to be invisible, in silent to survive. and guess what. their parents were right. because back then in the '80s in the '90s, if you were very open to be arrested and deported. to be invisible was a way to survive. they might be a generation that will be sacrificed. if we cannot get immigration reform for everyone. but their parents understood that was the way to do it. but then came the dreamers. they are americans. they grew up speaking english, and i have listened to some of the conversations in which the dreamers are asking their parents, why didn't you speak

up? why didn't you say anything? the wide answer is, because we couldn't. it was not the right thing to do. but now the dreamers have a completely different strategy, and with that strategy, they are changing the united states and their changing our immigration policy, and they are changing this country. i live about 45 minutes away from parkland, florida, where the shooting happened recently, and i've been speaking with many of the student survivors. they are doing exactly the same thing as the dreamers. they are not taking no for an answer. they are not patiently requesting a change. no, they are demanding a change. they are doing everything that is affecting the political trust, they're going to be in your face. and look what's happening right now. we have the dreamers and the students survivors changing the

conversation onto of the most important issues in this country, which are immigration and gun control. so for me i let them lead. they know what to do, and that's the new way to communicate and a new way to change the united states. because again, they understood the survivors and the dreamers understood that it we stay silent, we are complicit. we are responsible. let me just finish with these quotes from a holocaust survivor and nobel prize winner. he said neutrality always helps the oppressor, never the victim. so don't be neutral. thank you so much. thank you. [applause]

[applause] burke okay, so we have a few minutes if you want to make comments or questions. we have another 15, 20 minutes and then i will stay here to sign some of your copies. and if you have comments it's fine as long as you're not too long. i don't have any problems. >> i must say i had extra joint in reading the part in your book about her father and your conversations with him about your ties. i remember when i was five my mothers goal is to find a tie -- [inaudible] i'm still living under that goal. on that same theme is hoping you'd speak to us about your own mentors in the people you looked up to the people gigabit opportunity and somebody who are inspirational in your careers and since you are a pioneer in american latin journalism in

this country. >> i've always followed to create journalists. a mexican one. in making sick in mexico there was a massacre, hundreds of students were killed by the army, by the mexican army. there was one journalist with the tape recorder, there were these huge boxes back in. went and recorded all the testimony from the survivors of that massacre. thanks to her we know what happened in those days. so she's one of my idols. and an italian journalist who was fearless against all kinds of authoritarian regimes. at the end of her career she became too radical for me, but those two journalists have been my icons.

and then i'm not saying it just like that, but again i i dedice the book to the dreamers, because what i did with donald trump, they taught me how to do it. if the dreamer would've been in that situation he or she would've done exactly the same thing or even better. okay? >> first, i just want to speak for everybody here and say thanks so much for coming out and giving the talk. i think we all really appreciate it. [applause] >> the question i have is i tend to get donald trump, more of a symptom so what you talked about the large cultural radical shift that's taking place over the country last 25, 30 use. as far as i'm aware of my limited understanding of history, whether by race or power or money, tends to take place, usually the group in power, the group the likes of like a sitcom like it was back

in the '50s doesn't tend to roll over and let that happen. it's usually like there can be violence, a lot of political turmoil and i think we're seeing that right now with the election of donald trump, the backlash of the first black president, things like that. do you anticipate things getting a lot worse before they get better? and if you do, because i haven't heard really great prescriptive things that we can do to help to reduce the tribalism in this country, what are some things that are concrete that you think we can do to help reduce that? >> i think things are going to get worse. i'm getting ready for another three years, maybe another seven years, who knows? so i'm getting paid for that because he is the one in power. the republican party seems to be getting closer to him nowadays. he is being isolated at the white house which is incredibly dangerous. and to think he has created a hostile, dangerous country for many immigrants. that's what i feel like a

stranger. i think honestly he's the most anti-immigrant president since the 1950s when operation wetback in 1954 when 1 million mexicans were deported. he wants to cut immigration, legal immigration by half. he ended tps, let's never forget the president who killed daca is donald trump. so i think things are going to get worse, but the way, the only thing that we can do is to resist. at this point to resist, again, note is the most important work we can use at this point. maybe we don't have an alternative. maybe we don't have an option but at this point went to resist. and at the end i am sure we will prevail. our idea of america will be here in 20, 30 years but not trump idea of america. it spends on how we react. >> buenos noches.

[speaking spanish] special thank as an immigrant whose naturalistic my question relates to that. what do you tell someone that questions given your humanity much less your americanness because you were not born here? more important how do you keep your wits when you see that so often nowadays? >> well, the big difference nowadays is that, that you can say no in many different ways. you can -- i've been having this discussion in the newsroom on what's new with the survivors, the student survivors in parkland, in comparison to what happened in colorado, columbine. what's the big difference? because the columbine students

were as rebellious as the ones in parkland. but i think social media has given you the opportunities that in columbine they never had. it was different in sandy hook because we're talking about really children. but in this case the big difference is that you have come in social media, an instrument and tools that we didn't have in the past. you are the first generation, you are the first generation, that no how to use these tools much better than we do. in the past we were paying our dues to do better. now, the young ones know better. use those tools. i was doing an interview with senator cory booker, and we had two options today. i could do an interview with them for univision, and maybe two or 3 million people would watch it, or we can do it on

facebook and twitter, and between seven and 12 mean people will watch. the difference. i didn't have to wait for the newscasts. i get it right there and you can watch it when you go home at 12:40 tonight. that's the big difference. use it. you know much better than i do. >> i love your perspective of as a journalist, focusing on the questions you were there to ask the question, how as the everyday person do you recommend that we continue to engage in that dialogue with people that we don't agree with that have views that we think are crazy, insane to what we believe to who we are and what not? >> what i noticed that it is very helpful, , is just to show that humanity, show the faces, show the names. make it plain. we're not talking about illegal

aliens, no one is illegal in this country. show faces. that's again that's what the dreamers have done beautifully. they put real faces to the drama they are living. and then followed exactly their example. don't sit down. speak up, stand up. and even sometimes we become annoying. you cannot start correcting everyone whenever something happens in a private conversation. but sometimes it is the right time to say no and to speak up. at work, in school, in social situations in which some people make racist jokes. don't laugh. just say, turned around, do something but i think we have the opportunity. before it was the opportunity. now i think it is the

responsibility to do something about it. >> my name is dick cno's listening to your audiobook, the letters that you wrote to your son and daughter and a really related to how you lift your but they moved and whatnot. so i was wondering for dreamers if they were to write books about their experience, what kind of recommendations would you have? for example, isis and to eight hours worth of stories about dreamers and they were very inspiring. so what kind of recommendations would you have for dreamers to write their own story book so what not? >> let me do one thing. can you pass that mic to lorella? so what would you do? >> yeah, i mean, i've been thinking about this myself for some time now and thinking more about wanting to share my story but also have my mom share her story. i think we've done a really incredible job of highlighting

our own stories and own movement in the united states, but none of that would be possible without the courage and the sacrifices that our parents have been for all of us. whether you grew up here and document are you were first generation can we know how much work our parents have put in so we can live the life that we live. and so i think just trusting your cells and believing that you have the agency to lead, leaving you the story that others want to hear. and i think just sort of owning and sitting with that feeling for a long time and starting to do it. i'm getting sort of blocking the fear out. i think a lot of times we doubt ourselves, but we got in us, everyone in the show has to own story to share. and so just trust in it. soon in, focus on the stories you want to share. focus on the pain. i think a lot of hope can be found in our pain.

a lot of vision can come from our hardest times in this country, and what we believe is the future for us as well. [applause] >> there are many historical comparisons, but in a way, for us, disobey, right? they are disobeying. in the letter at the end of the book, it is telling my children disobey. there are times in which you have to disobey. again, this is very important. i'm not promoting violence, nothing would be achieved with violence but we can disobey in very creative specific ways. [speaking spanish] my question for you is you talked about vision for the future. i want to get your perspective

on what you will be telling your grandchildren when you are 86 and you are now looking back in this era. what of those takeaways and what is asked to where you're going to be sharing with them? >> i hope that, in 1994 cesar chavez said the following. he gave a speech in san francisco and he said we have looked into the future and the future is ours. he was talking about us right now. that's the future that i see from this country. i will always be an immigrant and i will always be grateful to the station for the possibilities that this nation gave me. and i'm absolutely convinced that in the future it's going to have to be, it's never going to be easy but it has to be an inclusive, tolerant future. that's how i see this country. i'm not pessimistic at all with donald trump. i think it's very difficult at this moment, but in the future

he won't be here and his idea of america won't be here. i am incredibly hopeful. look, how can i not be inspired when i see what's happening in parkland? that gives me so much hope and inspiration. that would be the story that i would want. and i hope to be here at 86. that would be great if i can walk. >> thanks so much for coming, jorge. it's been a pleasure to hear from you. i'm curious if you could, on the upcoming mexican presidential elections in july? because of u.s.-mexican bilateral relationship is also a change in these abnormal times as you've noted. and just how you think the u.s.-mexico relationship might change with a new administration in power in mexico? >> let me just of icing mexico won't pay for the wall -- let me

just start by saying. [applause] >> president pena nieto has been one of them worse presidents we've ever had. a terrible president. a weak president with no guts. who invited donald trump to mexico and who didn't have the courage to tell him to his face, mr. tam, it's very easy, we won't pay for the wall. he didn't do that. the quotes i've seen, another candidate, a leftist candidate, it's been the same story six years ago and 12 years ago. he said that the election were stolen from him, and there are lots of evidence that might be true. the question is if this is going to remain the same. the political system in mexico

is incredibly corrupt. just imagine that, this is a beautiful story. the wife of president pena nieto bought a $7 million home, , and you are laughing everybody is laughing but he is not in jail. bought a $79 home from a government contractor. $7 $7 million home from a compay contractor. and you know what happened? nothing. nothing, out for nothing happened. so if that happened with president pena nieto, just imagine what would happen with the next election. it is happening here, also in mexico. there's a new generation of young people like you using social media to denounce this and hopefully we'll have a real clean election. now, the consequences are that mexico might choose a president, and anti-trump president, for

very simple reason. he spent attacking mexicans for two years and it is quite likely that mexicans might want a president who speaks for themselves. for mexicans, the wall is a matter of dignity. it's simply a matter of dignity. and even if the free trade agreement and nafta ends, at the end it is a matter of dignity. and i think the candidate who can capture that will be the winner of the next election. we have these bible questions and then i will be signing your books. >> my name is stephanie and this is michelle. we are both students, chinese with the american university. we were wondering if you have any words for young latino and immigration of chinese for china to do this work with immigration law? >> can you help me there,

lorella? immigration attorneys and help. >> we need more of you is the short answer. we've got to have fighters everywhere and on all fronts. we've got to folks in the streets. with gotcha good attorneys who are working to protect clients. we've got to have advocates who are working with communicators and organizers who are trying to say where in the map and the united states can actually advance right, , and how do we defend our communities? i think what's really important when you're representing the community is to always be real about what's possible and what's not possible. when i was younger and was looking for hope, i remember my family talking to attorneys and was sit across immigration attorneys who would say, you can maybe do this and then you give a lot of money and we would find a lot of people who put themselves in the system because they have been advised by an attorney to do so but they have

no pathway to actually adjust their status. so being real, and this plugging in where you can. in addition to direct client representation either campaigns you can be a part of? our community as as a going ine sherman surely knows is under attack in way we've never seen. there are a lot of advocates in the show who put in a lot of work to make sure we're monitoring what's happening and there just isn't enough capacity to take on the news we are seeing things changing in our immigration system on a daily basis. and so how do people, whether you are a student or out in workforce right now, how do we show up in this moment? we have daca right now. with a nationwide induction which means there are daca recipients who don't know that at this moment they can request a renewal, because there's been a lot of news and it's confusing, right? and they need help. their families in to make sure they don't have anything in the background that could jeopardize

them or make them vulnerable to deportation in this go around. so can we show up for them? can reorganize clinics at american? and the american student go to local senate in virginia or maryland or in d.c. to a process applications? there's so much work to do that if you talk to maria in this room, i see sylvia back there, there are a lot of people in this room and outside of this room who need more bodies and minds, and then there are people are not doing this work right now who can come in and say you know what, have you thought about this revolutionary idea that can help us not just help to people five people are ten people? you guide in you to lead and you've got it in you to help us find new ways. >> thank you. [applause] >> thank you so much. i just want to say thank you for inspiring me to be an officer at

the world bank as a consultant. i am from los angeles. i'm working with migrants and refugees, and so a lot of the questions is very empowering to be in the crowd like like-minded people. i decide to focus my question more on we see about in a field and professional journalism a lot of marginalization, a lot of the fuel that has driven this presidency. can you speak on some of the tips or how you see the role of journalists in the next ten years, the next -- how is our role shaping and how do you want to sit? i feel a lot of it, it's fueling this hate esso. i know we have to document and be there in the front lines like we're saying reporting and being an advocate, but you also have other journalists in our profession making it hard for us as well and making it acceptabl

acceptable. >> i think we have to tell stories. but then again, this is a very simple definition we have to report reality as it is, not as a wish it would be. sometimes what you see on tv, on cable news is not the reality that you see. i come from the universe of fake news. i come from mexico. [laughing] just imagine when i was young, the presidents was saying i won the election. the mexican president when he got elected on, i don't know, i think the like six or 700 cases, he got 100% of the vote. that means that day nobody got sick, everybody showed up and everybody who showed up voted for him. that's take news. this is nothing, what we are seeing right now, , in comparisn to what i have lived, it's

really nothing. of course it is affecting the election and it is affecting the way we perceive our own country. but at the end, journalism is simply a matter of credibility. we had a couple of terrible hurricanes recently in miami, and i chose personally, i chose to people from the weather to follow, and two or three websites. that's it. i chose them because i needed to know what was going to happen to my family into my house. that's what we should do, and when you choose who to follow, you need a trusted journalists. so journalism is more than ever before especially when were surrounded by fake news, and that is not going to end. two more questions. >> i have a question, comment and -- my wife is a huge fan, so

it was really great. when i hear you speak, there's a few things that touch very personal to me because she said something like i am an immigrant, will always be an immigrant and it's more collocated than that, and it's true. i am an immigrant, my wife is not my wife speak spanish and i do not. there's a lot of intersecting things that were always tried to do. the question is how can we work together when the hate is so easily unified and oppression of pushing things away? but for the rest of us who's trying to resist and challenge and all that, we tend to get divided very quickly when the battlefront is so many. so what i see as like, try to build a coalition, try to build bridges but then they are just showing up, you know, situations always just scatter around and we're losing manpower and we're

losing, like social media is great. it exposed a lot of things but then the daca issues and the people, the immigrant community doesn't know sometimes the situation is very different. there's issues with the muslim community that doesn't reach to the spanish community. there's a lot of this scattered efforts and it's very difficult to harness energy, to create a meaningful coalition to attack what seems to be united front of hate. i would like the suggestion of what we do that. >> i would get involved as much as possible with groups that you feel very comfortable. for many years, for many decades were asking the question where is the next season shop as? i think that was the wrong question. we don't need just one cesar chavez. we need thousands of them. so get involved. i do understand that hatred divides. look what happened in the last election. it is very difficult for me to

understand that 29% of latinos voted for donald trump, but that's what happened and i respect that. but then that means we're not monolithic and that means even within the hispanic community that are huge divisions. people who are immigrants or sons and daughters of immigrant, some point decide to turn their back on their immigrants come after them. so it is real, it is happening, but my only recommendation is get involved, do something about it. that's all. >> thank you. >> last question. >> my question is, i can understand your point of view now when you talk about don't be neutral, don't stay quiet, do something. i can understand your obsession with president chavez in venezuela now, but my question is, is donald trump hearing as? can you compare no situations,

doing what you do with shabbos and the venezuela situation? >> it is difficult to compare because, i was going to say thank god, but i'm agnostic so this is not the right place to say that. [laughing] you know, briefly, i hope i'm wrong. i wish i could know for sure that something to happen after i die and after we die. i really hope that there is a heaven and i can see my father again. i really do what i don't know. so it's like a prayer, right? thank god that we have the supreme court and thank god that we of congress and that we have healthy news media and with social media and that, i've been

thinking about that. a donald trump in other countries that i've known would be terrible because that president would be citing absolutely everything. it is unfair because of all the economic circumstances to compare venezuela to the united states, but i think what happens when one person takes over, i saw what happened in cuba. can you believe it? since 1959 they have the same,, just two brothers. that's a dictatorship and we saw the same thing in venezuela happening now before it was chavez. i'm very hopeful and espied by what's happening in this country by seeing all of you here. we are not accepting what they're telling us to do, and there are possibilities of change, and that's what i am really, really thankful for. thank you so much for being here. thank you.

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[inaudible conversations] >> i'm on the campus of winston-salem state university and historical black college founded in 1892. was here we spoke with professor jack monell and his book "delinquency, pop culture, and generation why." >> oftentimes what you see in a literature and in a community is that the elders are people in power assume or presumed that popular culture, specific music, video games, things of that nature has a direct link towards delinquency or deviancy, any type of deviant behavior. and whether might be correlations, it's