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you at a news conference with david hogg, whenever guests, and some of the other students from parkland. what was it like? what did you pick up for that? >> for talk, let me thank you and axios for having us as monica all of you for being here. and thanks for your extraordinary coverage, beginning in connecticut as some of the most important social causes and political issues of our time. i'm not just saying that because i am totally sleep deprived, having been voting at about one this morning on a budget which passed, but perhaps the highlight of my day was really speaking with david who is going to be joining us later, and two students were in the capital. what's so extraordinary about these young people is how articulate and committed they are. they are the voice and face of a new social movement. much like the movement we've seen in the past, civil rights

movement, the women's healthcare movement, marriage equality movement and antiwar movement, this one is powered and driven by young people. and i think that's one of the fundamental changes that we're seeing in in the gun violence prevention movement, as you may recall i've been involved in his cause for some time when i was attorney general, beginning in the early 1990s. i was instrumental in advocating that we pass a ban in connecticut against assault weapons. then when it was challenged in court, i actually tried the case. we won against many of the same arguments that are made now, second amendment, equal protection, and then we won on appeal. those precedents have stood us in good stead, but the social movement, the involvement of the people of america i think it's something new.

that's what has changed and i think that's what will enable us to achieve more than just the relatively modest, even minor improvement in the budget last night, the fix nics program it is called, which will improve information going into the background check broken. >> senator, it's about the most minimal thing you could possibly have done. >> it is extremely minimal. it is a baby step when we need giant strides. and it in essence just offer some incentives, some financial rewards to the states that do with her already recorded two, which is reported convictions into the database system. what we really need to exist based -- to anticipate your next question, is to extend that background system to all purchases compete universal background check system to ban

on assault weapons as well as high-capacity magazines, stopping the complete immunity of gun manufacturers almost unique among all processes and a red flag statute in effect, emergency risk orders, florida just adopted it in the wake of the parkland shooting. it's already stopped three people who are dangerous to themselves or others. >> including the brother of the shooter in the parkland situation. >> exactly. >> when you leave here you were headed out and you'll be attending marches to martin hartford, old saybrook and if i know you may even hit a few -- axios a.m. reported the latest shows 832 marches around the world tomorrow. what is going to be the effect of those marches? >> i think those marches will continue their social movement and it's a marathon, not a sprint. and achieving legislation, a lot of it will be done at the state

level just as connecticut passed some of the strongest in the nation gun laws but connecticut was the strongest laws is at the mercy of states with the weakest. because guns have no respect for safe borders. they cross them impervious only, and so we need national standards. the forum will be further divided marches around the country at the state level, but we need national -- i think the marches also help to galvanize and mobilize conflict be very blunt, voters for the next election. i have hope but no great confidence that the congress is going to move forward on gun violence prevention during this session. i think the elections will be critical, indeed necessary, to advance the gun violence prevention movement. and i think the young people who are going to the streets with signs like our blood, your hands

have touched the conscience of america, and hopefully they will touch the voters of america and move them to the polls. because that's ultimately where the social movement like every of the social movement is going to have its affect. >> the republicans kind of control the house and senate, and i detected nothing like the kind of movement you're talking about. what are you picking up on that i missing? >> i am feeling that my republican colleagues know they have to do something, that words do something has been repeated constantly. it's something that's important. it has to be meaningful, not just fix nics, not just an improvement to the research that is being done but something meaningful. red flag statute is a bipartisan proposal from senator graham of south carolina and myself. it would involve a judicial

officer when there's an application from law enforcement or a family member issuing a warrant or an order that would prevent somebody who is in crisis, somebody in danger of killing himself or students in high school or a spouse or intimate partner from buying or having a gun. in connecticut which of the statute work, and in connecticut about 150 on average people a year have warrants issued to prevent them from having or buying a weapon. and more than half of them actually are able to receive mental health care, which is an additional benefit. but they are prevented from doing damage, often fatal damage to themselves or others. that's the kind of commonsense measure and that since my republican colleagues, senator graham, we will have others support this measure just as they supported a universal background check, measure in the

past, it didn't get the 60 votes we needed but i think my republican colleagues see the handwriting on the wall. i will just mention one last fact, report. what we are seeing also is companies and private enterprises, whether it's dick's sporting goods store or walmart, taking a stand. recently some of the banks have said they are not going to, in fact, facilitate or enable transactions that involve illegal gun purchases or purchases of certain types of weapons. this kind of involvement shows that private enterprise is also heating the votes, , but with wallets, not ballot, but they are equally important because they are shaping the debate. >> senator blumenthal, it's clear there would be no action like this before republican primaries are over.

so you see a window between the republican primaries which is still a while and november or do you think this action will come after the elections? >> i think that in the late spring or summer we could see progress, but i think realistically that the major progress will come after the election i think we will have a magnificent window of opportunity after the next election in 2018, to push the reform that young people are going to the streets and demanded. because those you people are going to be voting, they will be mobilizing voters. they're going to be touching our conscience and moving america. >> you told me backstage you think we turned a corner on this issue into 25 years you been working on a pick you said we are closer than ever. you think it's more than simply -- >> i think we're closer now than ever before because of this sea

change that we've seen since parkland, since sandy hook, the unspeakable tragedy that my state experience, elementary school students lack the platform and voice and face that has been given to this movement by these young high school students. when i was in west hartford, for example, just this past monday, the articulate miss and power, as you will see from david haag when it comes to the stage, is unmatched in this debate. and so i encouraged by those factors. and i think also very importantly to realize. there's no panoply, no single solution. it has to include more treatment for mental health and opioid addiction. it has to include school safety, making schools less vulnerable to these kinds of attacks, but not, and i want to just

emphasize not from teachers. that is toxic lunacy that has been rejected by the educational community. it elicits an effect booze wherever i go. law-enforcement, teachers with the unanimity reject arming teachers -- boos. >> a couple other issues to keep in pushing legislation to protect the special counsel. how much movement are you detecting among your republican colleagues? >> i am detecting growing apprehension, deeper fear that president trump will do something that provokes a constitutional confrontation similar to what we experienced in the saturnine massacre. >> business among republicans? >> among republicans, , strongly among some of my republican colleagues who are extremely apprehensive about the tweets,

for the first time naming robert mueller, the circumstances of the case, firing, the hiring of john bolton who's been very hard like not only on foreign-policy but on the special counsel investigation. the president seems to be narrowing the kind of advice he is receiving to a few acolytes, and circuits who have been attacking a special counsel, trying to undermine the fbi and other law enforcement, intimidate the special councils work. it will not work. robert mueller will continue methodically and systematically with his work, which is already produced convictions and indictments very, very successfully. and i'm very hopeful that he will be allowed to continue his work. >> does that go beyond senator flake and senator graham? are you saying your private conversation with the republican senators your detecting

movement? >> my private conversations with my republican colleagues indicate this. many of growing apprehension and they are ready to move. if there are stronger indications that president trump would take this absolutely foolhardy and reckless step of beginning the process of firing the special counsel, like firing attorney general sessions or deputy attorney general, i think my republican colleagues are compared prepared to take action with to what the children most commonly is we don't need to do it now because president trump would never do such a stupid, crazy thing. well, president trump is doing stupid, crazy things, or at least he is saying stupid, crazy things about the special counsel. and the more he does it the more likely it is that my republican colleagues would be inclined to

act on legislation that is bipartisan. again, i've sponsored it with senator graham and senator tillis, republicans, along with a number of my democratic colleagues. and i believe that legislation and i urged just yesterday in the judiciary committee that we move forward with, within a very powerful message to president trump, even if it were passed only by the senate. it would say to president trump, you cannot go down a road that would provoke constitutional crisis and confrontation doing great damage to our democracy. and you must stand up for democracy and this has been another constant theme of mine, against russian attacks and meddling and it appears, which is -- >> vital issue, mark zuckerberg on cnn the other night said he was willing come would be willing to testify on capitol hill. is he the right person to do it?

last night you seem to think there's an answer to that question. >> my message to mark zuckerberg is, you are the right person. [laughing] >> there is nobody better than you. in fact, you have an obligation to testify before our commerce committee what i said, or the judiciary committee where i am also a member. but very seriously, if you feel to appear voluntarily you will be subpoenaed, , and they should be subpoenas also all the relevant documents. facebook still has failed to notify all of the 50 million users whose private personal information is out there. they have no idea who they are. it has no plan to do so. it has to timetable. it has no idea how many other cambridge analytica that are who extolled information or accused the apps data access to this

intensely important private information. and facebook has an obligation to do more and to better, and support rules of the road. this industry has to be subject to rules, oversight, scrutiny because it has shown it simply is unworthy of our trust to do it itself. >> as we say goodbye, short question, short and to the you were instrumental confronting big tobacco. should big tech see any parallels for themselves? >> big tobacco is different. cigarettes when used as intended by the manufacturers killed the customer. that makes tobacco different from any other consumer product, but the issues are similar. history rarely repeats itself, but it rhymes, and with big tobacco there was some

concealment as there has been by the tech industry, a failure to come clean as the tech industry must do and be subject to some regulation. regulation. mark zuckerberg said it himself, and a model for the regulation is, in fact, the bill that congress passed just two days ago, the stop sex -- stop exploiting children measure. the stop sex trafficking and advertising that was passed by -- initialed by the tech industry, will stop ads on the internet that are knowingly facilitating my back page and other sites. so secm provides a model. we work with the tech industry and would prefer to work with him again, listen to them.

hear their objections, frame legislation that responds to the concerns but move ahead so that we stop the kinds of abuses, and in an industry like facebook that has a business model of selling personal information they have to inform the users, what information is taken from what's done with it and most importantly obtain consent. >> senator blumenthal, you are headed home. thank you for joining us after your predawn vote. [applause] >> happy marching. >> iq. >> really appreciate it. we are appreciative to the bank of america for making these news shapers conversations possible. we will a quick video from bank of america and i will be right back. >> we have said ever you --

[inaudible] you have to take the right risk. be sustainable by sharing our success here and around the world. >> if you have responsible growth, how about a responsible citizen initiative? how do we get the investor money interest in doing some of these projects? >> you can get a lot of agreement and a lot of common thinking around global problems that we are all trying to solve. >> we got to engage all the different -- [inaudible] partners who share a common vision goals. >> what its climate change or gender parity we feel we can be part of the solution on a march larger issue that are going on in the world today.

[inaudible] >> thank you very much for that i could work for that message. now i'm honored to welcome a constituent, believe it or not, of senator blumenthal, larry keane senior, , vice president r government and public affairs in national shooting sports foundation, is with us next and larry, welcome to axios. thank you so much. [applause] >> you are in newtown resident. >> former water headquarters is

still based in newtown, connecticut,, yes. >> in national shooting sports foundation is an industry group so you represent firearms and ammunition manufacturers, retailers, distributors. >> and sportsmen clubs, outlook and private shooting ranges. >> my colleague dan ran into you in austin and he said that you are bold because he said you would out to the aspen set and worked it to work it very bold. >> they asked me to come out and appear on a panel and asked me, they were talking about smart gun technology. so we were happy to do that and we had a good conversation. >> you've seen david hogg. i think you just met him backstage. what do you think of the parkland gun people? >> i want to applaud david and all the kids are coming to town. i think they're going to be

applauded for engaging and coming out and showing, encourage us to advocate for the position. i applaud them. we agree with the students and the rest of america. we think there needs to be changed. we need to find common ground on effective solutions which will address about which is why the national shooting sports foundation for example, has been advocating for fix nics, or many, many years now. in fact, senator cornyn still is named after the fix nics program when we gone around the country since the newtown tragedy which touch our organization like everybody and we changed the law in 16 states and increased the mental health records going into the nics system by 200% from about 1.7, to about 5 million in just a couple of years. there's still work to be done and are still two states for example, that of submitted less than ten records and that simply unacceptable. and it matters because, for

example, in sutherland springs had the records been in the system, that individual would have never been able to purchase that firearm. >> let me give you another example if we're trying to pass legislation in rhode island and the legislature said where going to do a study, will not pass the bill. washington navy our tragedy occurred. that individual purchased a shotgun from a licensed retailer after background check in virginia. we learn while we were working the bill that he had been in rhode island on a work assignment shortly before and was acting irrational, and radical. turns out he was paranoid schizophrenic. the police came, took him to hospital. a hospital. he was not involuntarily committed, prachi should've shn but if he had been in rhode island he still would've been able to get out, go back to virginia and by that shotgun because rhode island did not enter records into the city. we went back and spoke to the legislature about what we learned had occurred in that

incident. they passed the bill within 24 hours and now rhode island puts the records in. we been advocating for the fix nics bill a long time and we applaud, you know, it passed last but. actually this morning, about 1:00 so we're very happy that it passed. we applaud the 70 bipartisan supporters of the legislation, the lead cosponsor with senator murphy from connecticut who is a very strong gun-control advocate, no friend of the firearms industry but we applaud them for showing leadership and all the bipartisan senators who subordinate legislation. some groups on the second amendment side didn't support the legislation but we certainly did. we think it is very important and we are very proud of that. >> there's a tendency to love second amendment groups together. what distinction would you make with other groups? >> i'll give you the elevator speech. what's the difference between the national shooting sports foundation and say the national rifle association?

the dividing line is the checkout counter. we represent the industry. we are concerned about issues from the bar stock been delivered to the factory to the sale to the consumer at retail after background check which is actually an industry concept long ago, long before there was a great act. the point of retail purchase check to something comes of the industry and we fully support. >> and what is your view of technological solutions like parametric triggers? >> we are not, we get asked that question all the time and speedy sorry to be predictable. >> that's okay. that's what we spoke with dan in aspen. the industry is not opposed to research and feltman authorize user recognition technologies to be applied to firearms. it's very challenging from a a technological point of view. members of the industry have looked at it and some may stability at it now. that's not the kind of thing they tell the trade association because it's confidential

information. they only think we are opposed to his mandates like we saw in new jersey. and i told senator loretta weinberg at the time, this is a bad idea. you're going to set back the ability to develop this technology, and she now agrees that it was a mistake. the only thing we are opposed to his mandates. we think the market should be allowed to work. if there is consumer demand for the product and manufacturers can make a reasonable rate of return on investment, a markable function of products will come to market. there are significant challenge challenges, the ni j look at it a few days ago. that's at the request of president obama and put out a report about 2015 i think, and they concluded that the technology was not there yet to have a safe and reliable so-called smart gun. but i will say the industry members have been providing locks with each new firearms shipped. in the case for some of the

company certificates. every firearm that is made can be secured and should be secured when not in use and that's paramount for the industry. we believe in the safe and responsible use of shipping a surge of firearms when firearms are not in use they need to be secured at the ammunition stored separately. that's in every product manual you can find. our industry has a program we've been doing for two decades now called project child safe where we distributed over 37 million firearm safety education kits that included free gun locks. we received grant funding from the department of justice, even the obama administration provided as the grant funding for the program and we think during the course of this program it helped to reduce firearms accidents. they are at their lowest levels ever been since record-keeping began in 1901. we are proud of the program. >> your father was an nypd officer. how does that informed or affect your views? >> i grew up in the home of a

new york city cop. he was a marine corps veteran from korea. the prototypical irish cop family in york. i was a prosecutor for many years. my world introductions of firearms is in the context of cops and robbers if you will. i am very prolonged and forced my subversive and a thick support the loss we have in the book be respected and enforced. i also know having that a prostitute of law. we need to have stiff sentences for those people who break the law. for example, we're supporting legislation called the federal firearms licensing protection act would increase penalties for stealing guns from licensees and require mandatory minimum. fraternal order of police support the bill. i distance the international association of chiefs of police is going to support the bill. we're pushing this legislation as part of our operation secure

store, something working with atf, to reduce the number of firearms stolen at the number of burglaries of firearms dealers across the country which is been a troubling trend where it's been increasing. we are working with atf to help reduce that. it goes to the ship trying to prevent unauthorized access to firearms by people who can't handle them responsibly, of any firearm of any kind addington and that could be a child finding an unsecured firearm in a home or criminals trying to purchase firearms or steal them from dealers. we are working with the largest suicide prevention organization in the country to try to reduce suicide involving firearms. two-thirds of all gun deaths in the united states are suicide, half the suicides involve a firearm. we're working with this organization to try to reduce by 20% by 2025 the number five the number of firearms related suicides in the united states. so we advocate if somebody is suicidal and you are a family member or friend you should intervene, talk to them and see

if you can get them to take the firearm away from them so they don't use them. certainly they should be secured. if you're a gun owner you need to secure your farm. >> i think you may have heard senator blumenthal say he's detecting a change among republicans and perhaps after a guest pass primaries he thinks it may be a window even between an election or perhaps after the election to pass ambitious legislation because well beyond what you do support. like you have a pretty good network. are you detecting any summer movement among republicans? >> not that we've seen. there may be some movement on legislation for extreme risk protective orders. that something the president has spoken about. we support that. it's very important and savvy as in parkland there were lots and lots of red dots, lots and lots of opportunities for law enforcement or the school to

intervene, the fbi, we are all aware of what happened. so you need to connect the dots. you need at the data integration within you need to be able to do something. law enforcement needs to have more tools to intervene to try to help individuals. so we support that but the concern is that has to be appropriate due process and the appropriate legal standards to respect the interests of the person. so we support those. senator blumenthal has introduced legislation to do it at the federal level. we don't think that's the best solution because a lot -- if you have less like alaska yet to go back of a long way to get to a federal courthouse. we think it's better something that handled by the states. the artistic states, florida the most recent, that have enacted these laws. we had some concerns about the due process. you could have to wait two weeks before due process hearing. you wouldn't languish in two weeks in jail before you were a

range of we think there has to be better due process but would you think that's an important part of this discussion. >> to cross this you do not detect notable movement among publicans on capitol hill toward more stringent gun-control? >> not that we've seen. we've been focused on trying to get fix nics over the finish line. we are very pleased to see the stop school violence act passed as part of the on the best. that passed the house almost unanimously. another piece of legislation we support. but i don't see movement, for example, increasing the age to purchase to 21. florida did that. some stage a look at that. we got sears second amendment concerns about banning the sale of firearms that are constitutionally protected to young adult. >> a point david and other parkland teen asian mate is we are children, you guys are the adults. protect us. don't they have a point? >> we completely agree. we need to address the issue. but we need to do so in a

civilized dialogue where you respect the other persons point of view, that are all sincere. i'm sure david questions here support second amendment, very sincere and shown how beliefs. when you do find common ground. we think fix nics is an example where they can be and is common ground. there's more that unites us -- >> that common ground is much further on your side that on their side. >> i don't think that's true and i think common ground is in the middle. i think we need to find common ground when we can agree. we should focus where we can agree on things and build on that and have a respectable dialogue and build trust and to try to find effective solutions. it's no point in doing something just to do for the sake of doing something if a psychological help solve the problem. >> you are duck under and a deer hunter. what is a hunting trip? >> well, if your deer hunting in

the winter, dress warmly and where warm socks and make sure you cite in your rifle so that you don't miss. and the other tip i would say is if you are a hunter is introduce somebody else to the joy of participating in the great outdoors. >> ipod dock under or a deer hunter, i want to protect my family. why do i possibly need a military style weapons? >> well, first of all, the second amendment you don't need to have a need for something, it's all right. in fact, they are 16 million modern sporting rifles in the united states owned by a law-abiding americans used for responsible purposes, largely primarily for target shooting come increasingly for hunting and they are a very good firearm for self protection, particularly for folks that live out west in rural areas. and so they are used for lawful purposes, but every day by

law-abiding american. >> these arsenals that some people have, don't they make your case much harder to make? >> i don't know. i suppose people to get my gun safety and safe i have an arsenal -- my gun safe. >> how many? >> i've lost count. and there's an old joke in the industry. you do, what do they say about gun safes? they shrink. you know, i have a number of firearms i use them for different purposes, self protection, for target shooting, for hunting, and different kinds of hunting, deer hunting, duckhunting, turkey hunting, sporting clays, et cetera. many other consumer products, like if you are a golfer you probably have several different powders partners in several different wages for different purposes. if you ski and i'm a big skier, different skis for different conditions. yet different firearm for different purposes. what do you use your ar-15 for? >> target shooting primarily. i'd hope to the opportunity issued to get out and do some

hog hunting in texas. >> larry keane, thank you for coming to axios. >> appreciate it. [applause] >> thank you very much. we . we appreciate the bank of america making these axios new shape is conversations possible. we will hear a quick video from bank of america and i will be right back. ♪ ♪ [inaudible]

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>> thank you very much to the bank of america for that message. our next guest i can't top his twitter bio come his what about is marjory stoneman douglas class of 2018, hashtag never again activist, team link reporter, ought or no, surfer, part-time terrible speller, david hogg, welcome to axios. [applause] >> thank you very much. welcome back. david, your many twitter followers have been following your quest to get into college. he sort of knew the colleges that turn you down. have you gotten into a school? >> i have gotten into a school. at this point of what i take -- i sure i will find the right place for me. right now i'm more focus on changing the world and the future of america.

>> have you heard back from some of those colleges? have asked for a do over? >> yes. to put it simply, yes. but right now again i'm more focus on -- is going to go to close i could use stuff like this and help change the future of america politically and get youths involved in politics and point and . at the spectacle a lot of it is. but now that i'm already doing that i think it's more important that a a continued this mission that have. >> david, when pursued that you didn't mention in the bio is journalism. but when your high school came under attack, you responded as a journalist. you had your phone. tell you what happened. >> so i was actually in my former culinary classroom because -- we eventually ended up with 65 other student. then we didn't really know if the was a drill or what it was,

but i figured it was a drill will be able to record and show what it's like to do in this scenario. and if that wasn't, god forbid, as it turned out not to be, if we did die hopefully our voices would carry on in the form of that video, even if our -- i think if i die did that day i would have died knowing that what we had done would have no implications. >> and the video has your voice on it. tell me what it was like to be in that school. where would you standing, sitting, crouching? >> it was weirdly calm to be osuna. as the most like a try take myself out of it and tried putting my journalistic self in front of it. we were kind of all standing around in this little closet that's in between the kitchen and a classroom full of coronary room. it was in a corner -- culinary.

there were about 65 of us and there was something were having panic attacks. others were just kind of calm and calling the parents. we did know what was going on but sadly we have become accustomed to this type of thing happening across america where we kind of, we almost expect these things happen but you never expected to happen to you. i think one of the most important things for people to realize is that this can and this will come if you don't stand up to take action now, as i knew what was wrong. i knew what the nra was doing. i know it is lobbies organizations were doing and politics and that's basically only our politicians of the chemical death of the constituents. i have been debating this for the past four years and i didn't stand up and take action, and as such myself just like our politicians, i'm just as complicit as them in this. >> we hear your voice on that video. >> yeah. i was trying to report for myself from my perspective is

kind of a journalist at that point and also anything of the students. i actually interviewed alex who was, she was a junior and nra member and the next is going to be her 18th birthday, and it was picture was actually going to go shoot guns and that obviously change as a result, change your perspective. i think what's important for people to realize is that nothing can prepare you for this type of scenario. no amount of training, no amount of teachers being armed will be able to prepare them to be in this scenario, even professionals that are in law enforcement or people that are in our armed forces, they can train all you want but at the end of the day the instinct is on it's going to be more powerful than whatever trend yet. when you're in the situations you will be shaking a lot, and cuts the did you take out another student or you get taken out as a student and the teacher takes your country tried to defend him or herself and their mistaken as the shooter. >> remarkable part of the story

is your instinct and the next day you were talking with greg about this on gold television. a couple days after you thought interest might wane and so you did what? >> well, actually it was the first day, the day of the shooting i went on the news for the first time. my first thing was on fox, there was a live interview with 5 million people and it did a few other things there. i was on until one in a morning that night because essential what happened is i had come home from school after getting my dads truck and went back to pick up my sister. my sis was crying so much because she knew that she lost two friends, but at the time she did know she would know for the next 36 hours whether or not she had lost to others. i went back and when she came back she was crying so much that i said that's it, i couldn't stand to be around her. knowing that as her big brother i can do anything about that. the only thing i could do is

prevent anything from like this happening again. what i did is i would hope and at around 6:00 when the sun is basically said i got on my bike and put three most all the way to my school and my my camera g and everything. i started taking videos. i was there into one in the morning, and after i went come when there was a -- a break-in or whatever the case where journals are coming, they all started leaving it what i did was i went on periscope and started live stream interviews. i used car lights for lighting. i interviewed him and asked what douglas was like before the scope what they want douglas to be known as come other than obviously the place where a massacre occurred. i interviewed students that were there on the day of because the journalists were leaving. people are very, they have very short attention spans and unestablished so. we did and an extremely fast-paced world of the can't live in a world we allow these

things to continue to happen. >> what does douglas look like a? >> i was talking to my sister last night to win in morning because i just seen her for the first time and basically we can have, and she was saying douglas has changed so much. we have, at the beginning of our school and the end of our school now we have a sheriffs helicopter flying around causally. that brings back a lot of memories and ptsd for students, for me, too. whenever i hear helicopter, and now we are having our armed packs -- our backpacks be clear. so we of things where it's treating this a police state and a score everything you do is constantly surveilled. i understand the importance of that what i think what we need more of it is just common sense gun laws and more overall policies that don't discriminate against because either the race of their skin or the race for the social economic status and

treats all like what we are, human beings and students. >> when you said douglas has become like a prison, what do you mean by that? >> in a way that many people because were devout security, we have hundreds of police officers run a school now essentially, many of them are busy trying to do the best but what i'm very concerned about is the racial disparity between lack and white students, for example, where black students get suspended at the rate three times higher than white students. when you all these new resource officers and his new police officers coming to schools, what i'm worried it could happen is will increase the school to prison pipeline which disproportion affects people of color and lower socioeconomic status. the other thing -- [applause] >> the other thing that's terrifying to me, for example, is many of the students when they get into the prison come with eventually getting to prison because they get in the cycle with her something of the record, they can't get a job, they have to commit to life of

crime, not get a job because of that. what happens is when certain politicians like governor rick scott are lobbied by the private prison industry which are private prisons which are specifically paid by the government essentially to keep these people in, that's not how we're going to fix the situation. we need to start prison not like punishment but like what it is and that supposed to be rehabilitation for these individuals. these are american citizens that just as much right as you or i do, need treat them as such because right now it is disgusting. >> one more about scope if you make in your backpack. what did he do with their backpacks? >> after we come back from spring break the record all of us to clear backpacks. one of the other important things realizes many students went into privacy. for example, their minis dino's may go through their menstrual cycle did want people to see the tampons and stuff. just unnecessary. it's embarrassing for a lot of the students and makes them feel

isolated, separated from the rest of american school culture whether having their first amendment rights infringed upon because they can't for the wear whatever backpack they want regardless of what it is. it has to be a clear backpacks. what we should add is just more policies that make sure that the students are feeling safe and secure in their schools and not like they're being fought against like in the prison. >> what would be more moderate approach, a more reasonable approach to protecting you and yet not go too far? >> and limiting a lot more of the mental health solutions and taken down the stigma. i've seen multiple students in my classrooms where they have been there and all of a sudden somebody comes in and like hi, i'm your therapist. many people, that's embarrassing to them because mental health care sadly stigmatize a lot in this country and the students are not quite reach out that the note will be pulled out in front of 30 other students which like that person looks weak because her getting help. they are not but that's way they

think. they need a better solutions where they are not embarrassed what they can probably going to help without any social pressure from their peers, with again advocate for themselves and on feelings so that the donut to feel alone. we need to face the fact there is a stigmatization not only around mental illness but around mental health care in this country. it's one that has contributed a lot to this problem. one think a lot of these people need that are possibly even out the right now that it think of terrible things, reach out. you are not alone. there is help out there. we want to help you and we don't want stuff like this to happening in. >> david, , your 17 you will be8 next month. you were online. what was that like? >> it was wonderful, great actually. [laughing] >> i don't want to mention his

name, when individuals say these things to us i think it's important for their audience to realize their something china make money off them. one of the name people in the situation that it want to name the name of it as a citizen info wars, he looks red, he is advertising many of these things and the power lies in these advertisers to pull out of these fear mongering hate loving people. they just want to spread hate and of the in america. on info wars one of the main things, one of his famous things the same one of his most famous statement as saying that tap water is turning the frogs day and it will turn uk, to their personal i think gave people are awesome. secondly if you notice at the end of the video he advertises water filters. interesting. >> we are honored to have your father here. he served the country as an fbi agent. how has that inform your views? >> its inform you some of i've been able to see a law

enforcement side of it. i think as, i i was is almost a dynamic conservative, because i'm somewhat physically like conservative are more socially liberal. i can definitely see the aspect of law enforcement. i see my dad come on to everyone said go back three times we worked at lax and when they get icing evident when he was come home and immediately had to go back toward because there was another threat for there was another incident on a plane. i know law enforcement or some of the hardest working individuals in this country and i think americans in general are some of hardest working people in the world. we need to realize there are serious issues that have not only in the fbi, not only in our sheriff's office but at the end of the day with these politicians because these politicians are responsible for this government agencies and we can't allow them to blend in something get reelected. we are not going to let up. >> not the broader issue but specific what happened to parkland, what's the biggest mistake the media made in

covering your situation? >> not getting black students a voice. anna succumbed my is about 25% black from what i can recall, and about i believe the 2% white. if you look at the way we're covered a lot of the time is, for example, one of my great friends is an amazing person, she in fact, her telling the story of metabolic and walking alder was the first time i tried, since, i haven't quite ever since the shooting because i had to keep my face, my journalist face on. when we sitting in the back of the cheaper production discussing this, like a group therapy, i realize even more of the gravity of the situation. i think what's also important to realize is many students like at thurgood marshall high school i went to yesterday and saw zion, he had his brother killed as a result of gun violence.

lauren was his brothers girlfriend. they are amazing people but thet didn't get covered the same because it's a poor community and it's a community that's mostly people of color. it's discussing everything they went over 96 gun deaths that if you look at the place like chicago, like liberty city or almost anywhere that's of lower socioeconomic status or just has more people of color, the media does not the same. they cover it for one day and it's about maybe a 30-second segment. if. if this happens in a place a lot, honesty, people in the upper middle-class area of america that are predominantly white live, it gets covered for weeks if not years. >> we are about to get the hook, so as we say goodbye, what of your attributes on your biography was entrepreneur. what are your entrepreneurial plant? >> well, actually i was a pilot before this. i was flying and taking photos for realtors. i no longer do that because i don't have time.

just working hard to ensure not only the capitalistic roots of our nation but also just to practice what you preach as americans. >> you said illegal drone pilots? >> you have to be licensed. yeah. [laughing] don't worry, we won't tell. [laughing] you mentioned, how did you all this and make sure you graduate? >> good question. talking to my teachers and trying to work it out today by day. i was supposed to a math test ship and i was like -- but it worked out. my teachers are very understanding. >> what should this go be doing for you that they are not? >> i think with the school should be doing not only for me but for everybody is simply ensuring that anybody has an equal chance. emma ap classes are school as i said is 25% black,% black, for example, and in the ap classes there's about one black student for every 30 students.

it's disgusting. >> david, what will discuss unsteady look like for you? >> i think what success on saturday would like is, as a lot of americans coming out and coming lyrically active. this is the start of our marathon that will happen people try to get to the finish line. we need to conserve your energy and diplomat and use this anger as adrenaline but relies the stamina in the situation is love and compassion. >> what do you hope you are doing in ten years? >> i hope what i'm doing in ten years is exactly this, getting the youth out there and making sure they're becoming politically active. i don't care what my title is as lungs of helping people regardless of the color of the skin or socioeconomic status, making sure every has an equal voice in equal chance. >> you've been here a couple of comfy with the capital yesterday. what do you think of washington so far? >> it's very nice and pretty but i think in the same way that is supposed be nice and pretty with a lot of the architecture, the capitol dome and everything,

it's also a spectacle. if you look at what these politicians to come there trying to convey us. sounds like i can get elected if i speak the certain weight and the cars of what i say, so if i make all these points, move my hands be specific ways i can get reelected. when in reality they are not saying anything. we need to realize that spectacle and cut through that bs and call it bs. >> and david -- [applause] >> last question to believe it or not a lot of people in town spent a lot of money to get media train and using to be a natural. what is your advice for someone who wants to tell their story when they face the nation? >> keep your points short, sweet, concise and true. it's as simple as that. don't be part of the spectacle. be truthful about what you speak about and speak from heart because these politicians don't. >> david hogg, and you were joining axios. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you. [applause]

>> [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] .. thank you. >> in 2016 two students from marjorie stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida won