washington d.c. for discussion with national security and counterterrorism scholars getting underway by the 1215 eastern. >> now, nasa administrator jim bridestine on the 2019 budget request. he talks about some of nasa's

projects including missions to mars in the mood at the robotic servicing the satellite in the space telescope and developed to understand the formation of the galaxies in the early universe. the subcommittee is chaired by jerry moran. -- jerry moran. >> my hand will work as the gavel this afternoon. we are going to start a couple minutes early. both at 3:15. this will be similar to the hearing we had last week under similar circumstances at the fbi director. good afternoon. i called the steering to order. i'm pleased to be joined today by the act and ranking member of the subcommittee, senator schatz. i chair the subcommittee he was the ranking member of before i came here and he followed me in this capacity and i look forward

to working with you and your colleagues on this particular issue of commerce at the national aeronautics and space administration. administrator, were delighted to have you join us. in light of the time constraints i'm willing to forgo an opening statement and i turned to the senator from hawaii, senator schatz. >> good to be back with you. chairman moran, thank you administrator for being here. i'd also ask to put my statement in the record >> administrator bridestine, we welcome your testimony. while you may have been in start did, i would encourage you to tell us what you would like for us to know that if we run into trouble we will work on cutting our questions short, which you may want to go alone.

>> mr. chairman and mr. ranking member, it's an honor to be here. i have of course submitted my written statement for the record. i know because of the time constraints that we are short on time and i would be happy to forgo an opening statement and say this, that i've been charged with leading one of the most storied agencies in the united states government. if the owner of a lifetime. with people doing dangerous things right now on the international space station and flying missions all over the world to deliver science and discovery not only on behalf of this nation, but behalf of the entire world. it's an honor. i'm thrilled to be here and i look forward to answering your questions. >> secretary, let me encourage you to tell us as part of your statement, the direction of nasa as reflect did by budget priorities.

outline for us what you see happening based upon the request of the administration for appropriations from her subcommittee. >> mr. chairman, you're aware of space policy direct one, which is president of the united states. directing us to return to the moon and do it in a way sustainable for the long term. we have had in the past a number of different effort to get back. since 1972 and in fact, we have been at the moon in her abdomen with arbiters and other capabilities. this president has said getting back to the moon with soft landing for the purpose of human return to the moon is the object is to establish american leadership, but also to develop science capabilities on the moon and utilize resources, which is a new direction for this country and i think it's an important direction as we utilize

resources of the moon to eventually take us to mars and beyond. i think it's a big policy direction shift. i also want to be really clear that we are still going to mars as well. in fact, one of my first launches as administrator for the insight launch, which is right now on its way to mars. we are looking forward to doing a soft landing on mars around the thanksgiving timeframe in delivering science for an eventual human trip to mars. we are doing both. we are going to the moon and we are going to mars. but we are not taking our eyes off so many other critical importance missions to include earth science can heal your physics, astrophysics and planetary science with other things. one of the president's objectives and we seen this in the authorization not there to see constancy of purpose as we

go from one administration to the next we are doing these kind of missions that we are actually moving out in accomplishing similar object is freed of the administration, but at the same time small shifts here and there to reflect the priorities. >> thank you very much come administrator. thank you for joining us. i think this is your debut experience as the administrator of nasa in our committee, maybe in a congressional committee and a welcome you to your new position in a thank you for working to develop a good reporting relationship and things that make sense for my budget point of view, but also advance cause of science and space exploration. thank you very much. let me ask you about the balance . the studies and decisions and

pressure is always on any agency, but including nasa. the scientific portfolio, biophysics and astrophysics. then the conclusion to what the right ratio is for the resources got to go and what they should be. >> it is not an easy question. we have of course within the very divisions of the science mission directorate, we had a lot of critically important going forward as a matter of fact. when we take on some of these really big projects than i can give a few examples, but one example that is very salient right now is the telescope,

which is something nasa needs to do. when we take on a project like that from a brand-new technologies can bring the capabilities, we sometimes schedule and that starts to impact other parts of the direct as to your point, the balance we need to have across the different divisions of the science mission direct are a great way to look at historically those kinds of missions can sometimes potentially crowd out other missions and build architectures that deliver that same civilization changing science, but maybe do it in a way where there is less risk involved. one way to do that is to look more at missions that are say $200 million or less.

and instead of doing one flagship mission, divided up among a number of different recognitions. if one gets behind schedule her of her cause, doesn't impact altogether missions underway. that is one way to develop architectures across the different divisions of the science mission directorate that ultimately will not have such a massive impact on the balance of the portfolio in each one. perhaps more statement, but you and i visited my office. one of the things nasa provides the electorate should be hindu is to hire people and often many times young people, young men and women to aspire to study science and mathematics or engineering in space. i have this goal for my own state at home in kansas that we

determine ways to increase some education. we need an inspiration, something that captures people's minds and hearts and nasa in my view like no other agency or program can do so. we talk about the budget request when you and i visited and it eliminates a significant portion of the stem education goal for nasa, something that i indicated to you i find objectionable. you explain to me how this can be addressed in other ways. but i would ask you, i guess again, what is your vision interview for how nasa can help educate and inspire another generation of individuals interested in high-end and in doing so, help our nation economically, advance

technology, excuse me, and make certain we are at the forefront of all scientific and educational advancement globally. nasa in my view has that mission. >> yes, chairman moran. i could not agree with your assessment on the importance of education. i could not agree with you more. i will say this about my own life. i was a young boy in sixth grade and i had the opportunity to go to a summer camp where he interacted with the wind tunnel for the first time and i learned about the new series of flight and how it works. spent a week playing with a wind tunnel in changing the shape and how it lives thing drags you down with summer before my sixth grade year and that impacted my life in an amazing way and from

that point forward, i knew that when i grew up i was going to be a pilot. he wishes the way was going to be. i've had a personal experience myself. i can also tell you there was a time in my life when i was the director of the tulsa air and space museum and i saw firsthand the impact that i had when i was a child. i saw that impact another children as well. fundamentally changing the way they viewed themselves and what they wanted to be when they grew up in the things they wanted to study. i can tell you this. there is no agency in the federal government that can do with nasa can do when it comes to inspiration as you have mentioned. and of course, i have spent time at your museum, the cosmos here in kansas. wonderful, wonderful place. the scout troop that my son is a member of, we've gone up there and spend the weekend studying

the history and technology on the capabilities of nasa. i believe as you believe that is absolutely critical for our nation and i will tell you this. the 28 teen omnibus spending bill that just got passed a few months ago, obviously funded the education budget of nasa and your nasa right now is moving out to follow the requirements of the spending bill. it is also true that we've had to make difficult decisions and this is one area that has been trimmed. what i will tell you is nasa hasn't been there for months now. in its dna education. going back to the very

beginning. making historical achievements in every day we are inspiring children in changing minds and i will tell you that we want to. we are committed to it. going forward, each one of the mission direct the ritz has the ability to affect education apart from that particular budget and we will continue to do that. we will have just this week we started an internship program with over 1600 folks coming to nasa to determine whether or not this is something they want to do for their futures. we are committed to education and inspiration. i believe in it 100%. and of course, nasa will do that regardless of that particular budget. >> administrator, thank you. i would point out your budget

was submitted prior to your confirmation and your budget was submitted very to the white 18-pound of this bill taking effect. you start from a new plane. i do want to make sure that this is emphasized in our efforts. thank you for mentioning the cosmos. i look forward to your return visit to kansas. now recognize ranking member senator schatz. thank you, mr. chairman. administrator bridestine, thank you for being here. do you believe greenhouse gases are the primary cause of climate change? >> yes, the national climate assessment that includes nasa and the department of energy and it includes noaa has stated it is extremely likely that human activity is the dominant cause of global warming and i have no reason to doubt the science that comes from that.

>> to recruit the scientific consensus which includes many nasa researchers that the climate is changing in humans are the leading cause? a >> yes. >> is it fair to call this an evolution of your views? >> yes. >> you commit to supporting the funding and integrity of climate science at nasa? >> without question. >> thank you, administrator bridestine. you and i had many conversations in person and on the phone and i just want to recognize your evolution on this issue. i think it is essential for one of the premier science agencies of the federal government for you to abide by the science. i think it is especially important because as you know you are the first nasa administrator was an elected official. you're also the first nasa administrator with an essentially partisan confirmation vote.

we need to move through this. of ideological disagreement, political disagreement then back to the point where the nasa administrator is the leader of the science agency and you can't lead a science agency if you are not granted by the science. i thank you for that. i don't think it's easy for you to come to that conclusion. but on the other hand, what i have seen from you and in my interactions with you, i have come to the conclusion that this is a true evolution, the respect to people with whom you work. you respect the science. you want their respective there is no way to move forward if you are going to be undermining science and i am really pleased to see this change. i want to ask you about earth science. nasa observations on earth science support resource managers and policymakers. so i went to talk to about the termination of the carbon monitoring grant that we've

talked about commit $10 million. first of all, an object to the determination of those, the second of all, i understand nasa does as absurd as it relates to carbon monitoring. >> yes, senator, when you think about the carbon cycle of the earth, nasa has a number of different satellites currently taking into account how the earth is changing and our climate is changing and how carbon ultimately place in the back. we have right now we are spending over $100 million annually on measuring carbon, not only in the atmosphere, but on the surface of the earth and in the oceans and other places. that is a critical piece of our

earth science division in the science mission directorate. the carbon monitoring system specifically with a grant program. it was $10 million every three years. about eight months ago we issued grants and so those grants will go through the year 2020 and that program in the 2018 budget request was not put in the president's budget request and it didn't receive, you know, a line item in the appropriations process. i will tell you that nafta has a number of programs even going forward. the orbital carbon observatory two is currently on orbit. they launch in january. another satellite we are developing in soon will be developing.

there is a satellite called eco-strasse that does similar things and then jedi is another satellite we are launching. bottom line, senator is your nafta is 100% committed to understand the carbon cycle, which is an extremely high priority that comes from the service of the national academy of sciences and you have my commitment we are going to follow the guidance of the cato surveys for the purpose of keeping it as you have set a political, bipartisan, nonpartisan because of the science must not be partisan. nasa is not a regulating body. what we want to do is we want to get the science. we want to get the data and make sure we provide that data and that science to decision makers who can ultimately make sure we are doing the right things for the nation and leading the world. you have my commitment that nasa will continue doing that kind of activity. and we are. >> thank you.

thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, mr. administrator for being here. appreciate it. you waited a while to get here, so glad you are taking charge. you and i talked about the facility. i wanted to know -- i know that you've been aware and are supportive of that. i want to know what you might envision for the future they are for the applications may be more beneficial but also within the federal government. if you have any thoughts on that. >> yes, that is a wonderful question. the facility is currently partnering with a number of different agencies apart from nasa. i can think of the department of energy, the department of homeland security. of course we have some nongovernment partners as well. so, we do utilize nasa's facility to do governmental things that are broader than what nasa it self does.

we want to continue doing that. we believe that we are a national asset that can be utilized by a whole host of government and nongovernment sanctions. we want to make sure when we do that we are not impacting nasa's missions. that is an important thing that i want to make sure we don't impact nasa's missions. certainly, we see ourselves as a partner to the government or large. >> thank you. west virginia university with select it to test the research in simulated microgravity at the johnson space center. mobile to conduct experiments in the pole for the astronauts train for their spacewalks. this is a unique and tremendous opportunity for students as you can imagine. they call for the elimination of nasa's office of education. rename it to be the office of

inspiration because you are inspiring through the educational opportunities the next generation of science, technology and interest in space, lighting a fire amongst a lot of young people. will you work with me to continue to emphasize the importance of inspiring the next generation. i didn't know if you have any comments on the office of education. >> yes, ma'am. we've just had a long dialogue. >> sorry. >> what is interesting as you mentioned renaming it the office of inspiration. we have been moving that direction at the nasa headquarters, but calling it the office of stem engagement. ..

they hire young folks and change lives and create the next generation of scientists and engineers. nasa is expection exceptionally unique in that regard. the university of west virginia has done amazing things with robotic return capabilities. all those technologies will eventually be used for robotic return of material from the martian surface. if i remember right, west virginia, the university of west virginia won a massive prize, and this is done by your students, a prize that leads to more and greater technology for that activity that it was about $750,000. >> that's correct. they are working on the west

virginia technologies center is working on the restore l and refueling satellites in low orbit. let me just say, i think i share this with you when we talked, trying to inspire the next generation of young women and particularly in the stem area, i want to thank nasa because doctor peggy whitson came to two elementary schools with me and talked about her spacewalks and how she's been in space longer than anybody else in the history and she really inspired a lot of young girls that day. that is such a rich resource. i was standing there going to anyone want to get in public service and no one would look at me. they were crazy to listen to what it was like in space and to be up close and personal hall with us such an inspirational figure. i hope that program continues

and i hope the resources that you have you share with the next generation. thank you for that. >> yes, ma'am, thank you. >> thank you, mr. chairman. welcome. congratulations and i appreciate the chance to get together with you again yesterday and go over some issues and i want to thank you for the town that you've taken ever since you were sworn in. i do want to underscore the comments of my colleagues with respect to your commitment to follow the science and i think the employees at nasa appreciated the town hall meeting where you brought people together and committed to focusing on the mission. i appreciate your enthusiasm and energy about the nasa mission which is a great american success story for the world. i do want to also underscore the importance of sending the message that we will focus on

real science not political science including when it comes to recognizing that climate change is being driven primarily by carbon emissions generated by human activity. i'm glad we are all focused on the science. i also know that you were not responsible for the budget that was submitted. it was our former colleague in the house, we can all go talk to mick mulvaney at the congressional budget office but i do want to echo concerns have been raised by all of our colleagues on a bipartisan basis and specifically with respect to some significant cuts in the earth sciences budget. were very proud of the fact that maryland is home. [inaudible] and we also share with the virginia region and the delaware region spaceflight facility. on the earth sciences, you and i spoke about this yesterday, there are proposals to deep

cuts and laminate the pace program and some other earth sciences program. if you could just talk about what you see as the importance of those programs to the nasa mission. >> absolutely. a couple of things that i think are important to make sure, this is a bipartisan issue and i want to keep it as bipartisan as we can possibly keep it. it's important for our country and the world. the presidents budget request for 2019 on the earth science side of the ledger was higher than three of the previous administration's budgets for earth science. it is tied with a fourth so it's kind of right there in the middle historically of the last nine or ten years. think it's a good budget. now obviously, making

difficult decisions in tough times we made a determination there were a couple programs that ultimately were not the highest priority. it is absolutely important to me and i know it's important to you that nasa follows the guidance of the decatur survey. a brand-new survey came out in january of this year in that survey indicated that clary oh and pace are high priorities for the national academy of science that created the survey. what we are doing right now within the earth science division is we are evaluating that survey, trying to make sure we are covering all the science they have called for us to cover and, at the same time, because of what the senate and house did the 2018 omnibus, we are moving forward with those programs.

right now we are currently moving forward with those programs as required by the omnibus of 2018. when we get to the point where we are ready to present how nafta sees the new decatur survey that recently came out i'll be more than happy to come review and make sure were all in agreement that were getting the science necessary that the national academies have called for. >> appreciate that. a probably cement for the record that there's a number of other programs, restore l is one where nasa is sort of on a pathbreaking mission for refueling, a number of other programs including discover, but if i could just use the remainder of my time to talk about wallops because i know you recently visited there. if you could talk about why the flight facility there is an important asset for nasa. >> absolutely.

just a few days ago i was out there preceding a launch to the international space station and the cigna spacecraft that was resupplying the international space station. it's an amazing, critical, strategic asset for the united states of america. it helps us maintain our leadership in the world on the international space station with those critical resupply missions. of course, there's a number of different sounding rockets that are launched for the purposes of weather research and climate research and a host of other capabilities. it is also true there are a number of aircraft out there, former navy aircraft, p3 that is using lidar to measure how thick are the ice sheets in the arctic or on the north pole. in fact, just recently we had some amazingly brave pilots

flying over the north pole, flying over greenland and over the north atlantic, flying over alaska, measuring the thickness of the ice using lidar, laser radar, if you will. the capabilities that are coming from that are informing , helping us understand how the cryo- sphere is changing. the ice on the surface of the planet and how that affects the rest of the planet. those missions are important. we have nasa pilots who are taking great risk upon themselves to accomplish that science and all of that is being done from wallops. on the restore l, if i have some time, i would like to address that if it's okay. this is important. robotic servicing for our country is a critical capability that we need to have a whole host of strategic reasons. very soon a number of commercial satellite operators

will be launching into lower orbit with thousands of satellites for to medications. historically, when satellites die, we either try to bring them out of orbit or we put them into a deep orbit. on top of all that, some satellites don't work and they die. then they become readable debris and we've had collisions and reports that indicate a cosmos type collision that created 5000 people pieces of debris, those kind of collisions will continue to happen every 5 - 9 years. we have to make sure we don't do that. orbital servicing of satellites, robotic servicing is a critical capability. nasa is committed to it and we want to make sure were doing it in a way that we can vary dynamically and robustly service satellites in low

earth orbit to keep our satellites on orbit longer and make use of that capability. you have a commitment for me that we will do that kind of activity. >> thank you. i look forward to working with you. >> thank you, senator. i'm to suggest a modified second round of questions. we have other senators who are expected to arrive and we welcome the senator from alaska, but in the absence of a new arrival, those who are here or will remain here will have additional questions until approximately 315. i now recognize the senator from alaska. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i appreciate it. it's nice to see you. i think you bring a refreshing view of expanding commercial space operation to the floor and we look forward to having some conversations about what

can be done to help lower cost, increase the capabilities for nasa by increasing some of the partnerships and utilizing more the capabilities that are offered by the private sector for space access and operation. we have, in alaska, some opportunities with the pacific space complex. in kodiak it's operated by the alaska aerospace corporation. can you share with me how you view the potential of nonfederal space ports that can provide both the orbital and sub orbital launch capabilities that may fit into future nasa programs and operations? >> yes, senator. nasa is committed to getting more science and more data than we've ever been able to get before and were able to do that now because there are commercial partners providing data in low earth orbit and

imagery as well as medication. all kinds of sensors are being launched commercially to provide all kinds of capabilities. what that means is we have the ability, as an agency, to purchase commercially access to space. to purchase data from other people who are accessing information from different regions. the miniaturization of electronics, the reusability of rockets, we will see unprecedented access to space in the coming years. a facility like kodiak is going to be a beneficiary of that capability. when we want to launch commercially a whole host of small satellites to do science and universities are building

satellites on our behalf, and the more we do that kind of activity, the more data we will receive. the healthy small launch market is what we want as a nation strategically beyond nasa but for our nation. of course kodiak could be a great player and that. >> there's a lot of potential out there in these emerging, this is a small launch vehicle operator and have some great opportunities to expand our space launch market and bring back the market were seeing overseas. hopefully you share that same view of opportunity for how we might proceed with that. let me ask about your plans,

if any, to work with federal and nonfederal entities to help streamline the satellite regulations and the launches that would help provide and improve broadband infrastructure for rural areas. this is a great interest to us in the north and particularly the high north where we see this as the opportunity that will really help build out our capacity in some of these very remote rural and high cost areas. can you speak to that? >> absolutely. it will be my honor to speak to it. so, historically, when you talk about medications from space, historically it's been done from geostationary orbit. when you think about directv and dish network, even some communication satellites for internet from space, that's done from geostationary orbit

which is 33000 commoners from earth. it's the highest, the upside is that they don't move, relative to the moving of the earth as the earth turns they stay in the same position. that's the upside. the downside is there is latency. there's a time for the signal to travel all the way out to geostationary orbit and all we back. so it happening now that a lot of us, i know you're excited about the idea that we've got antennas that are electronically steerable which means a flat antenna like this notepad would be on sunday's house and in low earth orbit where the satellites are constantly coming over the horizon and you can't just have your satellite dish locked to one satellite, you gotta be tracking one satellite and sharing information back and forth and other satellites are coming by and you had to be able to pick those up. the electronically steerable satellite in tennis are huge technology breakthrough that are now being commercialized

which enables us to do this, take those satellites in geostationary orbit and bring them down to low earth orbit. this isn't necessarily tied to nasa but it is tied to a commercial, a robust commercial marketplace for communications to the point where if we can get it down to lower earth orbit, latency goes down to the point where you can use the exact same kind of waveforms as a cell phone. now we've got potentially thousands of cell towers in low earth orbit that any of us can access and you can have portable bandwidth, if there's a hundred thousand people descending on one part of the country, maybe there's a convention in anchorage, you can steer the bandwidth to make sure nobody gets blocked out from being a will to use their cell phone. this changes how we understand communication on planet earth. i could be on an aircraft

carrier in the middle of the pacific ocean with no access to any internet connectivity and all the senate these constellations get built i would have access immediately so that's transformative. obviously that's a game changer. it's a game changer for a lot of my old constituents and open oklahoma. what senator van hollen was talking about with robotic servicing, that's capability for those satellites with a robust commercial robotic servicing capability, those satellites would generally come out of orbit in 5 - 10 years because there's trace atmosphere in the low earth orbit. with robotic servicing you can lose the satellite, you can even change the technology on the satellite to increase capacity and throughput to get more data than we've ever got before.

it's all about getting more gigabytes. second of throughput. there are a lot of opportunities here. nasa wants to be a partner. that's why robotic servicing is important. we intend to do that. >> we talk about the topic of education. let me take this to the university level but let me talk about the aromatics aspect of nasa. nasa is currently working on the low sonic boom aircraft that's expected to shorten flight times across the country to destinations around the world. research is done with the faa on traffic management and integration of pilots and on piloted vehicles into the nation's airspace. advanced material developments and characterization will lead to safer, cleaner, more fuel-efficient aircraft. kansas as you know in oklahoma

is an aircraft aviation, we are states that in many ways dominate what we do for living. i want to know your view as to the role that universities can play and being a partner with nasa in regard to aeronautics. what is your, what do you expect to happen and how can i be of help to you in that regard. >> that's another wonderful question. we see universities is a great opportunity to help us to the research necessary to get more advanced materials, composites for example, and i know kansas you're really big on composite repair and composite manufacturing. i know the aeronautics mission director, the aeronautics mission director at nasa is working through an advanced composite program with the university of wichita in conjunction with spirit

aerosystems to put together a consortium of research which is the university, and manufacturing which is spirit aerosystems. that kind of partnership, along with some of our brilliant engineers puts together an ability for us to stay had technologically when it comes to manufacturing craft and creating lighter materials that ultimately increase fuel efficiency and improve aviation and make us more competitive in the world. i think that partnership is solid. think we need to do more of that kind of activity and i support it. >> i appreciate your answer. let me turn, as i arrived in this position to chair the subcommittee, one of the things that captured my attention and somewhat my imagination is the web telescope.

it's had its challenges. i'm interested in knowing what you see as its history, but more important what you see as its future. there's been a lot of attention paid to it by congress, by gao, by the contractor. what do you see forthcoming despite some of the challenges that the telescope has had. >> yes chairman, it's a challenge that we have. i want to start by saying this, and i believe this, with james webb space telescope and other things that nasa does, what we ought to be doing is staying at the very leading ed edge of technology. when the james webb telescope space launches, it will see back to the beginning of the universe. that is an amazing capability that all of us are anxiously anticipating. that being said, as important

as that mission is, as critical as it is to nasa and the united states, it has had its challenges because we are at the very leading edge of technology. the impact, of course is that a number of challenges. you start with the fact that the thrusters were, one of the issues we had as they were cleaned with a solvent that was not the right solvents and that damaged some of the seals that ultimately required us to go back and develop new thrusters and to fix thrusters. that set us back. the sunshield that was on it, the ability to unfold and folded back together and tested, that has proven more challenging than anticipated and that has set it back in times of terms and budget.

what i would tell you is this. looking at the impact for 2019, the budget for 2019, i don't think the impact will be that significant. here's why. instead of doing operations which we have a budget for operations, we will just use that operations budget for development. that's not a good thing. i'd rather be using it for operations but reality is for the 2019 budget i don't think would be that big of an impact. it will be that big of an impact for 2020 for that same reason for the biggest challenge i have no probably have come back and talk to you, there's a potential i might need to come back and talk to you because there is a funding limit on the james webb telescope and if the development cost go beyond we will have to come back congress and get reauthorized to continue the mission. i would say at this point we have spent so much money and come so far and are so close that it's important we do that. i will testify to that today but i could tell you i don't

know if we will hit that a billion-dollar mark or not. i honestly don't know. the good thing is we have an independent review that's underway right now by a person who is exceptionally good at this kind of activity and he and his team will report to us and to you on the status of the james webb here in june. when that report comes out, we are going to have to come to a meeting of the mind and figure how we go forward with this program. >> thank you for your testimony. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i was just checking up on my questions on the web telescope. we talked about that when we met yesterday. you're right, we've had some setbacks. i hope the independent review gets to the bottom of that.

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we do these programs that take a big chunk of what the survey is wanting in terms of science and if you take 60% of the budget we have to do one particular mission and that mission grows, that puts us in a difficult spot for all of our other missions. and so when we think about w first, first of all we are following through on the omnibus of 2018. that's happening right now. we are looking at what the costs are going to be going forward for w first and we're committed to not have the same thing happen that happened to james

webb. so that's where we are on that. going forward we think about surveys in the future. we might want to consider may be distributing the risk among more smaller projects rather than one massive project that can clobber an entire division within the nasa budget. >> got it. i look forward to continuing the conversation. thank you mr. joe. >> senator schatz, thanks for filling the role of ranking member today. administrator, thank you for your testimony. our votes have been called and i would ask you to give a moment at the tailoring of like to spend a minute with you. >> yes, sir. >> i would announce our subcommittee will have its market at 2:30 on june 12. that will include nasa butter full array of issues within our subcommittee jurisdiction. two days later june 14, full committee is scheduled to meet to do markup of this and other appropriation bills.

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