and he said, well, what could i do? [laughter] >> next question. >> i'm jim kaplan, i'm liz taylor's husband, just full disclosure. [laughter] one thing, i was around in those days, and i'm a lifelong chicagoan. and one thing i'd be interested in your view on is, you know, you said harold's -- one of his great legacies was the fairness. you know, and i think part of -- in '83 when epton ran, i mean, the ugliness of that campaign just cannot -- i mean, you started some of it. it just can't be overstated really. it was really ugly, and one of the ideas was that a black person, at least in some neighborhoods and some parts of opinion in the city was that a black person could not be mayor. it would just, the city would just absolutely be destroyed. grass would grow in the streets. it was just inconceivable. and i think one of the great

things that harold did was that he proved, he completely, fundamentally disprove that. and, indeed, i mean, obviously nothing terrible happened. the city continued to function, it continued to grow. >> oh, yeah, no. it was so bad that they were predicting that chicago would become gary, indiana. >> right. [laughter] no, and that's for real. people -- >> right. >> that it would go the way of st. louis and detroit and all these other places just because -- and, you know, you flash forward 20 years later, those same wards on the northwest and southwest sides that were most heavily for everything pton and hated harold and all, you know, they all voted for barack obama. and they were still mostly or all white. >> yeah. >> you know, i think one of the things harold, even with the people who at the time hated him, i think he proved to them that a black, a black man could be -- a black person could be

high executive official of a city like chicago and nothing horrible would happen. >> yeah, one of the -- >> and that's a great legacy. >> one of the things we saw in the '87 election was that some of those wards that were really anti-harold in '83, that the voting totals were reduced. so a lot of folks figured out that they didn't want to vote for him, but he had done a good job. >> right. >> and so they just didn't vote. >> we're getting to my last question about legacy, but -- >> well, speaking of legacy, so i am wondering in 2018 what is the legacy of harold washington in chicago politics? is there a possibility for a new mayor that takes on husband spirit? i'm relatively new to chicago and teach high school here, and so i'd love to learn more, especially an education on harold washington. >> well, e e think the biggest legacy of harold washington was barack obama. barack came to chicago because

of harrell washington and used a lot of his lessons in running for president of the united states. and in them terms of local legacy and this upcoming election, i'm not sure that any of the candidates that right now have declared for mayor of the same caliber as harold washington in the sense that, you know, one of the things that people didn't understand, they thought that harold got elected because of his rhetoric, because he was a great speaker, etc. didn't understand the roots and the foundation that harold laid throughout his legislative career that helped us to form that coalition that elected him. a lot of the people here now have not -- who are running for mayor now have not done that kind of groundwork to get the punt and the base -- the community and the base that is needed to be successful for mayor. so i'm not sure if there's that legacy in the current crop of candidates.

>> let me say one quick thing. you're right about barack. i had lunch with him when he was a state senator, and during that lunch he told me that he would like to be mayor of chicago one day. [laughter] >> right. well, actually, i had, you know, pricking things? that's our mayor, you know, barack obama. he just blew me away and went to the top. [laughter] >> i would -- >> legacy? >> i would say that if you look at the books that come before mine, most of them -- not all of them, but most of them say harrell washington was a tremendous public speaker and a charismatic politician but not much of an administrator and somebody who didn't really have what it took to run a city like chicago. and if i had to say that there was a theme or a thesis to my book, it's challenging that

idea. >> right. >> and saying, yes, he was all of those things in terms of being a savvy politician, so forth. but when you consider the city uncil battles he had to fight and when you consider the diminishment of federal resources given to the cities at that time and evething, i think he did a really good job as mayor. >> and i just remember, you know, as he was dying, northwestern hospital reporters waving outside, i mean, there was just an incredible feeling of what is happening. this has just been an unfathomable loss. and when we finally got the word of his death, it was just shocking. and, you know, i think it's taken the city some time to sort of recover from a loss like that. >> that's true. we have two more questions. do we have time? >> we're told we -- but we'll

er a questions outside, and thank you to c-span for doing this and thank you all for coming and caring so much about the city. and thank you all for just coming and bringing harold washington to life. roger biles will be outside and signing his wonderful book. so thank you for coming bye. [applause] >> and an author discussion now on the life of mayor harold washington. more live talks from the

printers row lit fest in just a few minutes. and a reminder, you can follow booktv on social media to get behind the scenes video and pictures of the book fest. @booktv is our address for facebook, twitter and instagram. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> books being published this week. in jerusalem, jay sekulow -- a member of president trump's legal team -- offers a political and historical argument for the

existence of israel as a southern nation. ken men sinker reports on corruption in fifa. ann lease saw cox recalls america's black pioneers. and in gigged, journalist sarah kessler looks at the prevalence of freelance workers i today's economy. also being published this week, ely berman, joseph felter and jacob shapiro explore the changes in how wars have been fought over the past 60 years in small wars, big data. and dr. edward hallowell describes how his upbringing shaped his psychiatric career. look for these titles in bookstores this coming week and watch for many of the authors in the near future on booktv on c-span2. >> when i start to talk about my book, invisible no more: police

violence against black women, women of color, one of the first questions i throw out to audiences sometimes is what's the first name that comes to mind when i say police brutality. >> [inaudible] >> see, times have changed. but usually it's been sort of different across generations but almost universally male. it's been rodney king, it's been oscar grant, it's been mike brown, eric garner, freddie gray, philando castile, alton sterling, the list goes on. and even this week if we asked the question what's the first name that comes to mind would be stephon clark and not cynthia clemons who was killed outside chicago by police last week also. and i'm often asked, well, why is that the case, andrea. and i think my answer always focuses really on the power of the story and of narrative and the story that is so deeply entrenched that racial profiling and police violence and state

violence is something that happens exclusively to black men, that we perceive to be not transgender and not gay even though they might be. and that violence against women is something that only happens to white women in private spaces. and some of us are just out here in the cold experiencing violence of both kinds every day without it being seen as part of any of those stories. and so the goal with invisible no more was to really expand our understanding of police violence and racial profiling and mass incarceration and mass criminalization in this country by bringing into that narrative the stories of black women and girls that have driven the growth in the women's prison population by 700% over the past four decades. which means the rate of growth of the women's prison population has increased at a rate 50% greater than the rate of incarceration for men. so one of the stories of the

women who wind up in those cages -- so what are the stories. who are predominantly black women, incarcerated at a rate twice as much as white women. and that doubles again when we look at the population of women in jails. that has increased 14 times over the last decades. so women might not be doing as much hard time, they're just cycling in and out of local jail cells, three days, ten days, ninety days, six months, a year at rikers instead of going up state, but there's are even less programming, less support in those kind of places. but that's not part of our story of mass incarceration. if we read the new jim crow, the story is one that doesn't include the stories of those women. and so the goal of invisible no more was to tell more stories, right? to fold more stories into the mix. not to just add them, but to see how that actually changed the gumbo, right? how does that actually change

how we understand things. so would it make visible black women's experiences of driving while black beyond the notable exception of sandra bland, when we first a woman named ayala aramis who was pulled over for driving while black. would we see the stories of the women of ferguson who the year before mike brown was killed, the population that had the most traffic stops in ferguson was black women of any other population. would we see the stories that just came out of st. louis as part of a study that showed that the only group of people in which the majority of people are killed when they're unarmed is black women. so the police officers are more likely to perceive black women to falsely -- falsely perceive black women as a fate aal threat than any be other group. so what do those stories tell us. and i think it really helps us to better understand this narrative of what it means to be

black in america. >> you can watch this and other programs online at booktv.org. >> booktv tapes hundreds of author programs throughout the country. here's a look at some of the events we'll be covering this week. on monday we're at the new york public library to hear writer rocks roxanne gay. then on tuesday we'll be at the enoch pratt free library or in baltimore where history professor rachel devlin will recount the desegregation of america's public schools through the actions of young african-american women. and on thursday we'll be in washington, d.c. on politics & prose bookstore for abc news dan abrams' talk on abraham lincoln's last legal case, a murder defense in 1859. that's a look at some of the events booktv will be covering this week. many of these events are open to

the public. look for them to air in the near future on booktv on c-span2. >> you can differ with people politically are, we all do that. democrats -- i'll accept the view we're sort of a little left of center party at least, they're right of certain moving right rapidly. maybe we're moving left. but politics was supposed to be about finding a way to overcome some of those differences through principled -- through extended discussion and a real legislatives process, through principled compromise. it wasn't supposed to be about one party winning on their own. the times, as you know, the times in history when one party has been able to do this on your own were very few. maybe 1933 and '36, fdr dealing with the depression.

lbj, '64, '65. but even lbj reach tout republicans, and -- reached out to republicans, and fdr had republican support the first two years. when mitch mcconnell, and we'll probably come back to him a couple of times, when senator mcconnell started doing health care and trying to get 50 of his 52 votes from his caucus, my reaction was, well, that shouldn't work and couldn't work, and it's not supposed to work that way. you're supposed to be looking for some people on the other side to get 65 or 70 votes. of course he would say that would be impossible, because one of to them would vote with us because they're against trump, etc. but this notion that one party has to rule by themselves brings us to some bad places. >> you can watch in this and other programs online at booktv.org. [inaudible conversations]