today it marks the first time in 28 years that fcc has appeared before the subcommittee by being reauthorized by congress i am delighted to to welcome the recently reauthorized commission at first it reflects bipartisan support with a fcc and the important work it carries out each day to enhance public safety and technology to strengthen our national security and to protect consumers while fostering competition and innovation in the communications marketplace also to demonstrate each of the commissioners articulate how that action benefit the organization i know they can deliver the same for your colleagues well that's is

charged with the task one of the critical roles is for public safety that the technologies with the impending emergencies aiding in the restoration of communication that the fcc is to make sure our communication system is there when american need lifesaving information this is furthered through the 911 service platform. being the 50th anniversary of the first 911 call we have been working with the fcc to improve the 911 system and to facilitate the transition to 911 services into advanced

public safety before and after emergency working closely with the subcommittee to promote broadband access to close the digital divide we all agree on the benefits of broadband to all americans and this is especially true in rural america to include a number of bipartisan provisions for members of the subcommittee and commerce committee to remove the federal barriers increasing the spectrum and just last week i hearing on rural broadband we heard from a variety of stakeholders in the impact i look forward to hearing more today to implement legislation i also look forward to hearing the

recommendations to improve connectivity for communities that are in desperate need of improvement to education and healthcare services with oversight with oversight from the sec to remain focused on the key priorities to focus the work of this commission and i yield the balance of my time. >> this is the most important responsibility we have on the subcommittee it has been my honor to work with every member of the commission and

the strongest capacity possible and moving forward to make sure we work with bipartisan cooperation on the issues so important to the american nation i yield back the balance of my time. >> i recognize the ranking member for five minutes. >> thank you madam chair for holding this overdue hearing and thank you to the witnesses . . . .

as opposed to the commission's actions. these rules protected consumers and small businesses as well as entrepreneurs and innovators. i'm happy to say the senate has already passed the resolution restoring these rules and we hope we have a vote on our own resolution here in the house. the rest of the commission has been no better on the essential communications tool for millions of americans including veterans and seniors. the commission has made a series of decisions including consolidation among broadcasters from eliminating the main studio rule to the weakening rules in

the change that congressionally established national ownership. it seems that in each of these actions, they benefit broadcast corporations and that means the public worse off. the chair man claimed he cares about the deployment, but the commission not to burden wireless carriers with reporting where they have wireless service deployed imposed as part of mobility fund a bizarre and onerous challenge process that requires providers to hire people to walk through fields and backyards trying to prove ththe communities don't have wireless service and of those companies can't afford to send people out, the commission will assume they are connected. tell me how does that help the 24 million americans without access to high-speed broadband? how does making changes to the span to make it less accessible to the road wireless providers

deploying broadband and hard to reach communities and have the commission and this committee is a shared goal of closing the digital divide. this commission's reckless actions on broadband data services and retirement were so corporate friendly the white house advisor for telecommunications policies recently said that they remain, quote, concerned, however that streamlined regulatory requirements may place on the departments and agencies that rely on the service is subject to the continuance of to lose access to the national security and public safety communications functionality. how is the commission putting the convenience of carriers about the nation's national security and public safety needs? that's besides the impact policies have on schools, libraries, hospitals, small businesses and competitors but also rely on the services.

what about american's privacy? senator wyden thought they had been sharing the real-time location data of hundreds of millions of cell phones with third parties without consent from their users. that included sharing information from law enforcement agencies but use the data to illicitly look up americans location data without a warrant or due process. and we don't even know the scope of the problem because the commission was asleep at the wheel. i understand that the commission is not investigating, but how were you so in the dark but with a widespread street practice and with confidence can the committee have said the commission will take appropriate enforcement action against carriers that have so recklessly shared at the location data without our consent? again and again the commission failed its obligations to uphold the public interest and has instead repeatedly cited with corporations over consumers and

in waiting nine months to do this oversight hearing the committee has been complicit in the actions by turning a blind eye and being derelict in the responsibilities to provide oversight for this agency. i read while i am pleased the commission issued a hearing order for the sinclair merger and in so doing acknowledged the near universal concerns about the honesty and candor i'm extremely concerned the president has waded into this issue and i hope you can assure us the president's message last night will not cause a commission to change course or affect the proceedings of an administrative law judge. thank you and i will yell back. >> the chairman of the full committee is recognized for five minutes. >> i want to thank you for your leadership on these topics, specifically highlighting the improving emergency alert

services as well as outreach to the minority on the ncaa reauthorization. reauthorization. we authorized the fcc for the first time in 28 years in the act. in fact i think that's the last time you were here to testify before us, mr. chairman. the efforts of the wildfire hurricane response focused on emergency alert and may improve location accuracy that are key priority for all of us. we reauthorized the fcc for the first time in two decades and appreciated the commission's input on the work and thanks to the hard work of everyone on the committee were able to incorporate from 18 bipartisan bills that now form the act that is law. so we do try to work together whenever we can on these issues, 18 issues and i think we did 57 on opioids virtually all of which were bipartisan, so i look

forward to hearing about the progress in implementing this important law such as the broadcast act. the commission has been busy doing work and we provide an extra billion dollars in fixed somand fixedsome of the issues e there to make sure that translators and radio stations could get their antennas moved and equipment moved so we could free up spectrum and i know the commission under your leadership and others successfully pulled off the best reverse auction in history. you brought to our attention the issue involving the elegantly of the funds that came to the commission you couldn't put them anywhere legally even though your predecessor did, so we picked that and the was important. i want to thank you for coming out to my district last month. we traveled around and saw the health clinic and i want to

commend them on the medicine peace. that made a huge and positive difference for the clinics and you added 171 million over the 400 million cast. you heard firsthand when you were out there meeting with the clinic and i appreciated the discussion we had with the broadcasters and i think you got a taste for the seventh or eighth largest congressional district is even though we never got out of one county we were there all day. the commissione commissioner and conversations about the challenge facing the radio industry which i have some experience. my colleagues at the great face for radio. radio was my original story and my fathers as well, and i think it's an organ part of the country's framework and fabric for sharing information and entertainment. we're sharing the same voice as

newspapers unfortunately which never gained the benefits for some 15 years. and he's captured oncentities cy regulations from another time. we are trapped in a constant time warp that regulations of the 70s or 1930s for that matter somehow were not for the present-day or beyond. some wanted to take us back to a regime of the 1930s. we will discuss the landscape today as well and another sect sector. an example if the callout a year ago and then a few months ago inviting the ceo of some of the greatest innovative technology companies to please come here and share with us before the committee the concerns and recommendations on a wide range of topics. the rhetoric around the issues has become like watching the old television show waiting to get the main program. we sit here and listen to the same falsehoods and crept away

privacy and net neutrality while the reality is alway is all we's restore the bipartisan equilibrium and regulatory framework is said to have existed three years ago. mom and pop startups found their way through the framework and we now know facebook, google, netflix, they all grew up in theialifetime framework not wite 1930s way that we regulated telephones. in this committee we have the benefit of hearing the critics speak out loud. though unlike other voices that seek to destroy our daily discourse. the chairman knows all too well be careful if you're a you are a conservative with your views be known. i'm sorry for what you and your family have gone through whether you are on the right or the left, somewhere here we have to get back the humanity where we are not shouting at each other and threatening each other but instead trying to work out our differences. we do that a lot in this committee and we will continue. with that, madam chair thank you

for this hearing and i will yield back the balance of my time. at this time i recognize the ranking members of the full committee for five minutes. >> thank you madam chair. the center communications commission as an independent created by the congress gave the agency brought over and responsibility to protect consumers and advance competition for the service at reasonable rates and enhance public safety. in other words, to work in the public interest. it's hard to ensure the commission's actions advance those goals and tol holds the te chairman and accountable when agency does not. unfortunately the majority of the committee has been unwilling to follow through on its promise to hold quarterly oversight hearings and this is the first oversight hearing in nine months and only the third in this congress. the commission has acted contrary to its core mission in the partisan votes the agency dismantled protections for

consumers and initiated numerous proceedings designed to benefit corporations t to the trunk of working-class americans and local communities. by far the most high-profile controversial decision was the elimination of the net neutrality rules and the secrets protected consumers and small businesses and protected free speech. the chair man ignored the majority of the 24 million comments from individuals and businesses supporting net neutrality. it's not surprising that the order faces massive consumer opposition, public outreach from startup companies, working families, educators, health care professionals and so many other town halls and community centers that have driven congressional action. the controlled senate passed legislation to reinstate net neutrality and the ranking member is now championing the legislation here in the house and it's not too late to stand with the american people and restore net neutrality and they urge the speaker to bring the

legislation up for a vote and stand with the members of signed a petition to force on. sadly this regard for consumers is not in there and at the time when other agencies are separating children from the families of the borders and violence at school is far too commonplace they want to rollback the rules that limit advertising to children and require stations educational programming for kids. if the agency were serious about focusing on consumers, they would want to help parents searching for quality educational programming and shield children from enough make them easy targets for big business. another example siding with corporations over consumers, the chairman changes the fcc media protection undermining competition and diverse viewpoints in favor of corporate consolidation. while they gratefully acknowledge that sinclair's proposed merger and related divestitures the rollback of the media rules opened the door for

the next sinclair. universal service, critical to the most formidable populations also has been undermined. the proposal to revise the lifeline program is a particularly egregious example and adopted it could cut phone or internet service to approximately 8.3 million people. these are single mothers struggling to get by, veterans searching for jobs and seniors on fixed incomes at risk of being left behind. they should be looking for ways to help these participants in the community and not just cut them off and finally while the commission has worked to update the emergency alert system and d advance the next-generation implement it has fallen short making cyber security a priority. they've retreated from the efforts of the previous administrations in a time when cyber criminals foreign and domestic are becoming more aggressive. today's communication networks connect businesses, consumers and government agencies and the

networks drive the modern economy, the same networks provide a target for cyber attacks are criminal gangs and nationstates. as the agency charged with safety the fcc should work with and encourage companies to develop this practice idevelop n address board and prepare for cyber security attacks. since they assured the response of the congress should become nothing more in the future so i want to thank the chair and the commission for appearing before us today and look forward to your testimony and i will yield back. >> that concludes the opening statement and i remind all members pursuant to the committee rules all members opening statements will be made a part of the record and we are going to try to get through our opening statements before the votes ar were called about 1:40. i want to thank all of you for being here today. today's witnesses will have the opportunity to give their opening statements and it will

be followed by a round of questions from the members. our panels today include the chairman, commissioner o'reilly, commissioner carr and commissioner rose and marshall. we appreciate that you are here and that your testimony was prepared and submitted on time. we will go in order of seniority which is the tradition of the subcommittee and i will begin with you today, chairman pai. >> thank you for holding this hearing. i appreciate the chance to update you on the fcc works. before i do, i would like to thank the subcommittee for its assistance. it contained a host of provisions that are already having a positive impact on the work. perhaps most importantly it corrected a technical problem involving deposit.

with this fix in place we are moving forward aggressively to options and moving a substantial amount of spectrum into the commercial marketplace. this year we are commencing this option followed immediately by the 24 gigahertz band. in 2019 we intend to hold the spectrums of 37, 39 and 47 gigahertz. combined, these will make almost five gigahertz of spectrum available and advance the leadership in the next generation of wireless connectivity. none of this would have been possible without the subcommittee's leadership. the fcc also benefited from the support in carrying out large priority is closing the digital divide. yesterday they kicked off the connect america fund reverse option that would provide up to $2 billion over the next decade to bring broadband to underserved areas across rural america. earlier this year we dedicated

500 million in additional funding to assist small carriers and broadband and proposed almost $1 billion to restor resd improve communication networks in puerto rico and the virgin islands causing the devastating hurricane season. he boosted to the medicines promised extending funding and health care program by 43%, $171 million. funding is that we are also modernizing the rules cutting through the red tape making it easier for broadband providers to invest in the next-generation networks. we've extended the small cells from the federal historic preservation and environmental review process designed for the traditional tellers and we updated the service regulations and reformed the rules to make it easier for companies to upgrade from the networks of yesterday to be resilient networks of tomorrow. here makdear make it easier andr

including access to utility poles with one touch rules proposed by the broadband deployment advisory committee. and we have returned to the successful light touch regulatory framework under which the internet flourished in the united states from 1996 until 2015. i'm pleased to report that the policies are working. according to a recent study in 2017, more commercial buildings in the united states added fiber connections than in any year since at least 2004. and according to the figures released today it appears broadband network investment in the united states increased by between $1.53 billion in 2017. reversing the decline in the last two years in the prior administration. this increased investment is having a tangible positive impact on american consumers and they will give you one example. small internet service provider

based in springfield vermont. the company reported recently because of the recent policies, if committed $4 million to purchase equipment and services to upgrade its core to enable the wi-fi calling to all of the rural subscribers and to simultaneously begin rolling out faster mobile broadband to start the transition. ththethe detailed concludes andi quote again, it's quite optimistic about the future with a significant reason for the optimism. in short, we are on the right track and i'm confident we will continue to see more positive results in the months ahead as more of the policies take hold. i am also pleased in the amount of bipartisan cooperation we've seen at the fcc. this year for example fewer than 6% or one in 16 of our over 100 votes have been party lines. of course there will be times when we disagree. but my hope is that the debate will be based on facts with the law and grounded in reality.

i will close on a personal note. i love this agency. i've worked as a staffer and then as an appointee. it's been a tremendous honor to lead a discussion the last 18 months. a major reason why is because theiget to work alongside and he gotten to know the fantastic staff, those that race towards the areas to help and try to make the technologies available to the americans with disabilities intdisabilities int sours representinstars represeny abroad and more. as for me the issues i face are challenging. the decisions haven't always been easy but so long as i have the privilege of serving as the chairman, i'm going to find the facts, follow the law and call them what they see them. chairman blackburn, ranking member doyle and the members of the subcommittee, thank you for holding this hearing and i look forward to continuing to work with you and your staff in the time to come.

>> the gentleman yield. mr. o'reilly, you are recogniz recognized. stack my thanks to chairman blackburn and the members to engage on so many important communications issues. at the outset i would like to thank the representatives and their cosponsors for the leadership of the art. today i would like to highlight a few critical issues that have been a focus of mine. first i believe the ongoing problem must end once and for all. beyond deceiving the ratepayers have consequences for the american people in need of critical emergency assistance and some of the darkest moments

in our lives. the commission's ninth annual report to the committee which relied on the reporting by the states and territories show they diverted almost 130 million away from the 911 and hand guns towards other unrelated purposes. if yo you get up and start being labeled a tapered or they would rather not submit the necessary paperwork. this information is that a finding that is a substantial sl diverted the funds from on public safety purposes. they clarified that reoccurrence and it included illinois, new mexico, oklahoma and puerto ri rico. representative collins and plans

to address the recalcitrant states like new jersey, rhode island and guam and identifying and shaming these states hasn't adequately worked. second, the commission is focused on taking every necessary step to provide all americans the opportunity to access broadband services and at the same time the commission's efforts should be examined in parallel with programs by other federal agencies. congress allocated a part of the consolidated act from 2018 and 600 million for the broadband pilot program to be administered to a as a part of the senate and house farm bills. efforts to provide the new federal money are commendable there is a potential for certain problems to arise particularly there is a significant possibility that it could be used to subsidize areas that already have broadband or fund providers in competition with those that receive subsidies or may have built up plans that

require them to provide service in the future. the federal funding should be targeted to address the 14 million plus americans without any broadband today. i would humbly suggest that only the proper production from the e right leadership such as this subcommittee can prevent a bad outcome and this concludes the bill this fall i hope you consider safeguards with other programs in the alignment of the programs and focu that focus ony unserved. last, turning to the spectrum policy the commission has been hard at work ensuring sufficient spectrum is available for the generation wireless services. i recognized years ago there was the need for solid carriers to offer the services both domestically and internationally. it was feed banned downlink for this purpose i was to provide

significant continuous spectrum in the largest satellite operators receptive to reducing the spectrum footprint using a market-based spectrum reallocation approach. i also agree with the representatives who recently noted to the commission at its necessary as an ingredient to address the need for more unlicensed spectrum and must be part of the final rule. i want to thank you for holding the hearing and look forward to answering any questions that you may have. >> the gentleman yield spec. >> you are recognized. >> [inaudible] >> microphone please. >> chairman blackburn, ranking member doyle, distinguished members of the subcommittee, thank you for the invitation to testify. i've had the honor of working with you and your staff as a commissioner for nearly a year. it's been a tremendously rewarding and productive time. i am proud of the work the agency has accomplished and i want to commend the subcommittee

on its own notable achievements from identifying additional spectrum and the act to enhancing public safety, to encouraging broadband deployment including for the position mac. at the fcc to my focused on we can do to help bring more broadband to more americans. this has meant working closely with my colleagues at the commission but also spending time outside of dc to see firsthand how the policies impact communities across the country. the past 11 months i visited 17 states and benefited from the perspectives gained on the road with her at townhall chelsea michigan, roundtable and stanton of alaska or the kitchen table with a family that wanted a better and faster broadband. i spent time with the construction crews that are doing the hard often gritty work that goes into deploying broadband networks. in fact in arcadia indiana,

congresswoman susan brooks introduced me to two hoosiers, mark and scott, they are brothers that run a small fixed wireless provider. having claimed everything from barnes to grain elevators to attach antennas needed to bring broadband to the indiana farm lands. i've seen similar efforts in the communities across the country that_way the work is so important. we want every community to get a fair shot at the next-generation connectivity. one year ago i noted the challenge we faced to extending american leadership in wireless has been moved from four g. to five g. networks. i testified about the need for the fcc to focus on two things, spectrum and infrastructure. the commission has made substantial progress on both. i want to focus on the second part on infrastructure. i appreciate the chairman asking

to lead the efforts on wireless infrastructurin wirelessinfrasty taken several steps to ensure the regulatory structures are ready. as you know the networks are going to look very different than the deployments of the past and the regulatory framework that worked for the 100 towers won't work for the new small deployments so we're working to modernize the approach from certain procedures designed for those large towers. this step is expected to cut cot about 30% of the total cost of deploying small souls. this can help with the business case for thousands of communities particularly rural areas that might otherwise miss out on the next connectivity. in one place we increased the deployment that will pay off in healthcare. for years the fcc has been supporting broadband deployment to healthcare facilities, there's a new trend. it's towards connected care everywhere.

the delivery of high-tech high-quality care is no longer limited to the confines of the connected brick and mortar facilities with remote patient monitoring and mobile health implications, we have the technology to deliver health care directly to patients regardless of where they are located. i saw this two weeks ago in the mississippi delta where the connected care is already making a difference. it's very met annie who noticed the first signs of diabetes when she woke up one morning with word division and after seeing little progress with the care options come she signed up for the remote patient monitoring program and showed me the ipad and bluetooth enabled glucose monitor she used to track her care on a daily basis. she can check her blood sugar levels and give instant feedback including steps she can take that day to statheday to stay h. with this technology, the levels have gone down and she says she's never felt better.

research backs up to see these results showing significant cost savings and improved outcomes with connected care so we should align the public policy in support of the movement in tele- health. that's why in god they asked me to lead the new initiative which will consider at our august meeting. the pilot program aims to provide up to $100 million to support the connected to deployment to focus on low income patients. i look forward to working with all stakeholders as we see common establishing the program and chairman blackburn, ranking member doyle, members of the committee thank you again for holding this hearing and i welcome your questions. >> the gentleman yield spec. >> afternoon chairman blackburnn blackburn, ranking members of the subcommittee. thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today.

i believe the future belongs to the connected no matter who you are or where you live in this country you need access to modern communication to have a fair shot at the 21st century success. clearing the way for this connected future should be at the heart of everything we do at the federal communications commission. it's been nine months today since we last appeared before you for an oversight hearing. nine months is a long time, the equivalent of a school year so let me offer the equivalent of a quick year-end report. too many americans still lack access to broadband. let me put a number on it. right now, 24 million americans do not have access to high-speed service. that's not acceptable. we need to do better. too often during the last nine months the agency acted at the behest of corporate forces that surround it shortchanging the american people. you can see that with the

rollback of net neutrality and see it with our efforts to foster the deployment of new networks that the failure to fully engage those who need a voice in our policies in the cities and towns that should be our partner in the process, the tribal communities that are entitled to the government to government consultation and the department of commerce which just expressed concerned about how the rush to reform could harm national security and public safety services. likewise, you see it in the proposed reforms that undermine our lifeline program and the populations that rely on it including those served by domestic violence shelters, military veterans, homeless youth and the residents of puerto rico that are still recovering from the storms and grave humanitarian crisis. too often procedures for short t for good governance requires. the mapping practices for broadband do not accurately

reflect the state of connectivity on the ground. the claim that the agency suffered a distributed denial of service attack following the report from the net neutrality plans is not credible. in the meantime the agency has ignored the fact that this public docket is flooded with fraud including half a million comments from russia and 2 million individuals with stolen identities to. so many people think washington is against them. it saddens me when this agency proved them right. the report cards to not only look to the past, they also offer a night in the future and take on what is possible. there is a desire to extend the reach of broadband service and lead the world in the wake of his deployment and to bring the

opportunities of the digital age to more people and more places. i see the same everywhere i go in the last few weeks i've been in rural new mexico in urban new york they visited schools that lack broadband at home and struggle with likely schoolwork. there are 12 million children in every state across the country with this problem. they fell into a catholic a gae coolest part of the digital divide but i also saw they are trying to address this gap so every student has a decent chance of success experimenting with school buses, looking at running out hotspots in libraries and exploring public wifi in their communities. they deserve support and plan to address the gap so no child is left off-line. i still believe it's within our capability to produce one is as

a. when i last appeared before you nine months ago i alone expressed concern about how the agency had bent and twisted so many of its media policies to serve the business plans of this one company. this change for me agency adopted an order designating the transaction and i want to thank my colleagues and fishermen for the effort to reach consensus on this matter with me close by saying thank you and i look forward to any questions you may have. thank you for your testimony and we are now going to move to questions and recognize myself for five minutes of questions. something we are focused on in the emergency alert and the 911

systems. it's a good solid bipartisan initiative to help the resources bringing those to bear during an emergency and it's primarily the tool in the resiliency in the aftermath of hurricane harvey and the widespread use of the alert. how will the addition of opening up the wifi access point and emergency in addition to the location information to reach

those in need of emergency. >> thank you to eat up a loan for your leadership. we want to move the critical information. if it could help introduce even more detailed granular information about where the caller is in combination with gps information and cellular b. access points can give a textured view to the 911 call centers and help them to pinpoint where somebody is to be able to dispatch quicker. additionally a lot of companies are thinking very forward for example apple released bracket sos and one of my chairs talked about the fact they could use things like this to accurately and quickly target people in a situation of need.

>> looking at states and localities, do you think this is going to help to encourage that? when you think about needing the help quickly and responders that are working diligently to get resources to people, one of the things is we worked on this issue with next gen to make certain that it is more reliable and widely used. >> i will give you an example of why that is so. i visited the office of communications that handles the calls that come into the district. every year they get approximately 10,000 emergency calls because the caller is near

the border. imagine the access points that could allow responders to know when they received a call we are getting the call from the district we don't waste a precious seconds to figure out which jurisdiction needs to get that cold that could save lives in a pinch. >> commissioner, i want to come to you on something as you know i've worked for years on the privacy issue. inquiring about the reports of the unauthorized disclosure of the wireless subscribers and i'm pleased that you all are in this getting this as well as we are all concerned about protecting the consumer privacy. and on this broad topic, last night i received a letter from

our friends on the electronic privacy information center and to quote from the letter it says it is clear they have the ability to enact internet privacy rules. the fcc has the authority to regulate companies such as facebook and google through ancillary jurisdiction. do you agree with that assertion? >> no i don't. >> do you believe section 706 telecommunications act or any other provision gives the authority to also regulate to providers? >> i do not believe it gives th2

fixed wireless providers regarding the ban and noted and i quote without the licenses we will have no ability to acquire the spectrum on this van. that would be an intolerable outcome that would harm the mobile broadband businesses and inhibit our ability to grow, but worse it would harm the millions of consumers for whom the spectrum is the key to the high-speed access. i would note your parents are served by way of wireless and you refer to the good work in indiana that serve serves ms. bs district. both of these were part of the companies that sen sent you that letter so i would like to ask each of the commissioners and this is just a simple yes or no question will you commit to

maintaining the census tract licenses in this ban? >> keys provided a lot of analysis of the questions, but i don't want to presuppose what direction he wants to recommend for the full commission. >> we don't want to presuppose the results we are still studying the issue and i'm looking at it along with commissioner raley. >> i like the direct answer. i don't agree with it, but i like it. >> one yes, one undecided and one intervention or still looking at the issue as undecided.

>> we haven't reached the endpoint. >> i mentioned in my opening statement many stakeholders including the federal government or concerned about your plans regarding the discontinuance of the service and the changes to the market that could place the national security and public safety operations in an unattainable position. aren't you concerned that in addition to the potential loss of service for some customers are telling u us they cut their bills increased by 175%? i'm kind of concerned it's not only putting the carrier's interest over the public that endangering our public safety for national security and leading to a huge rate increase from people to have the service. how do you respond to that? >> that was strange. is that a phone ring?

[inaudible] mr. olson trying to play with new technology in the technology committee. [laughter] he apologizes and it is accepted. mr. doyle, you are reclaiming your time. >> we can address some of the concerns we are hearing about the market and i will try to address those. we certainly welcome this and it's part of the reason we have been open comment process to take public input. if you look at the overall tenure of the letter it is quite supportive of our approach unless we do want to take those concerns into account. with respect overall cut the price increase as you described are precisely the reason why it's important to us to preserve the authority as well as the ability of private companies to complain directly under section 208 to adjudicate complaints

about the violation of the rules and third if you look at the overall gist, the price regulation deters a different reason. if you are an owner of that infrastructure and there's heavy price regulation would have listened and to build infrastructure. similarly if you are relying on that infrastructure is less likely to go but over your own. why would you when they put a finger on the scale in terms of price regulation. the goal is to preserve the ability of the entrance for a complaint about unreasonable charges while also promoting an incentive to get more fiber out and the result speak for themselves if you look at my opening statement for the first time over 50% of the mid-sized commercial buildings were connected with fiber. we want every one of those buildings to be connected and we think that this market approach started with the late 1990s as thisthe right way to go. >> let me ask one last question.

the letter to the fcc regarding the real-time location data and the company secured technologies and on may 18, the senator called on you to recuse herself from the investigation based on your past work presenting. have you reduced you recused he? >> i have not. >> that was my next question did you get an opinion as to whether or not you should recuse herself? >> yes i did. >> i appreciate the commissioners being here and i believe we sent a letter as well to the companies on the same issue obviously we all care about privacy and data locationn issues got something we have been pursuing for some time. let's switch to the van. the national public radio commercial broadcast companies depend on it for content distribution to about 100 million households. that's obviously a lot of people

in every state, every congressional district. oncongressional district. one of the challenges to ensure non- interference with downlink system of the exact locations of hundreds of thousands of unregistered received only station. what's the commissio commissiont identify the location of these stations to ensure that protected harmful interference and what steps is the commission seeking to balance these goals to ensure we win the race to require more spectrum and protection of the broadcasters and cable companies depend upon? >> thank you for the question and i think you put your finger on the two that we need to pair in this proceeding. we try to address the concerns identified by the need to figure out where the stations are in a few different ways. for example we reduced th reducs required to file some of these records and extended timeframe by 90 days, so i believe october 17 is when the deadline is for reporting. we recognize that some of these entities are smaller and might

not have the resources to compile the study requiring that the traditional rules so it's important to streamline the process to allow them to get as much information as they can into the record. we are confident steps like this will enable us to get a robust level of cooperation and enable us to make a fully informed decision about the appropriate disposition of the band. >> as the heard from many members on both sides of the aisle, we need to do more as a country to connect each other with high-speed data and broadband connections. what can you tell us about the work the fcc is doing today to close this digital divide and what should we look forward to going forward and what do you need from us ask >> i don't want to use the remainder of your time but i will say is with the two critical tools in the toolbox we have that is modernization of

the regulations and the widest distribution of the funding we're making major steps towards closing the digital divide in the program that started yesterdayesterday for the first broadband option with a $4.5 billion mobility fund that will start next year and some of the initiatives that may appear smaller but i can tell you on the ground in places like pendleton oregon and ohio they are not small, the telemedicine is one of the things the american people understand especially in the communities where it's hard to attract those like my parents that work on wireless. it's difficult to get them the only way some of the folks in the communities get adequate health care is through telemedicine and use all the response for yourself as did i at the clinic in oregon when they heard the news we were proposing to increase by 43% of the budget for the health care program. they broke out into applause and

recognized this as a lifeline for some of these communities. the big cities and districts and there's a lot of smaller towns that would never see a specialist and i'm proud of the steps we've taken. we've done a lot for the rural areas making it easier to build a tower in the areas where lay fiber in places there may not be the case for deployment and i think often about some of the visit i've had including your district in oregon where they told me some of the steps we are taking to make it easier to gain access to the polls and get more spectrum those are the tools that are necessary for the companies, the ones that don't make the headlines that nobody knows about, those are the things that will help them close the digital divide. >> i think for us to spectrum and infrastructure are the critical input and i outlined the steps we were taking to move quickly and having just come

from a couple conferences where i can tell you my counterparts were envious and interested in how quickly we are moving the united states is in the lead in terms of the spectrum leadership in the service infrastructure, the commissioner has done a good job in leading the efforts and we need to think progressively about how to modernize the regulations in the world of a few sparsely populated cell towers is fading away. the hundreds of thousands being deployed is almost here so our regulatory approach needs to be as nimble as the industry we are seeking to regulate. >> thank you for your communication and counsel. >> mr. colón is going to ask us questions and then i will move to recess the subcommittee until we have returned from the votes. you are recognized for five minutes.

see this for the administrative law judge for the review despite the wishes of the president and i've long had serious concerns about this including the agreement used to try to hide the scope of the transaction that's why the ranking member and i wrote two weeks ago asking them to review how these affect diversity and competition. however, last night the president said and i quote it's unfair they wouldn't approve the sinclair broadcast merger this would have been a great and much-needed conservative voice for and of the people liberals can fake news, nbc gets approved much bigger .-full-stop sinclair, disgraceful, "-end-double-quote. the only thing i find distasteful is that they try to undermine the integrity of dedicated journalists wildly simply trying to amplify his

message at the expense of local news across the country. so what we just ask yes or no if i can ask you do you agree with the president, yes or no? >> i stand by our decision. >> i think the hearing designation orderlie order leave fact that the law as applied in our view. >> i do not agree. let me ask these questions and i know we only have three minutes or so, given the sinclair merger will you commit to ensure a cona comprehensive and thorough review is conducted by this insulated from the president or anyone reporting to speak on his behalf, yes or no? >> we already issued the hearing designation order and my understanding is it is in the purview of the administrative law judge under our rule.

>> but you will ensure that a thorough review is conducted? >> those are the issues that have been referred, yes. >> if anyone discusses or has discussed the merger with you or anyone at the fcc will you commit to disclosing that in the public docket yes or no? >> yes except we have the rules because this i is no way restricted proceedinnow a restrn what information we can put on the record. we would be happy to accommodate to the extent that we can. >> the president cites the need for a conservative voice and that is what is disconcerting to me because i don't believe that they are supposed to make decisions based on what is conservative or liberal or democrat or republican. do they consider conservative or liberal viewpoints as part of the merger review in other words

do you care what there is a conservative voice or not? >> i stick with the answer when i testified as a nominee for every transaction before me we will apply the law and reached a judgment that is in the public interest. >> i just hope we are not looking at this from an ideological point of view. the hearing designation order that was unanimously voted to approve the post they may have engaged in misrepresentations or lack of candor. whether a licensee is lying to the commission i's allegation ty have had their licenses revoked for making misrepresentations began to you without commenting on the preceding will the commission conduct an inquiry into the lack of candor regarding the licenses they hold either now or at the time of the renewal yes or no?

>> we've referred certain issues i can't comment under the advice of the general counsel on anything having to do with that in your question is inextricably linked to some of the issues. >> so the answer is no. >> would you like to add anything on that? >> we have raised issues about the candor of the company through the misrepresentations they made in the context of the transactions and i think those are serious issues of character qualifications to the extent they've been identified as a problem here we should be open to investigation in other contexts as well. >> the gentleman yields back end of thinto the committee stands n recess.

>> [inaudible conversations] the committee will come to order. you are recognized for five minutes for questions.

>> in order to be the first to deploy five g. we need to set a schedule to make more spectrum commercially available. that is why ranking member of the legal and i introduced the airwaves act which does just that. it's my understanding of matter how ambitious we are in setting the schedule, there may be certain impediments to our sure enough -- auctioning off a. a. what effect does that have on the ability to keep up with the rest of the world and bringing more spectrum to the market? >> thank you for the question. i don't know if i would use the word out of date or just not as advanced as it should be. it has limitations and to the question the congressman raised, part of the reason why i had to answer now is because it wasn't going to be an actual option we

were going to conduct. was going to be a sealed ballot for half a million licenses. and we were not capable of running that with our software. and it gets the question to your point the number of people this for 24, 37, 47 all at once. we don't have the capability to run all of those at once. a .. ..

too burdensome for them to take it as it stands today. i will give you the opportunity to respond to that. >> as a they could use whatever standard they wanted and to serve those unserved areas with that leadership without unanimous basis and to see where the coverage wasn't where it wasn't with that rule so i

understand that concept. but to point out for that challenge process and to broaden that category also we had waivers for everyone to participate and to do so chose to have an end -- a way to pinpoint unless something is better than nothing. and making progress slowly but surely that folks in my homestay everybody can get coverage with that data as best that we could.

>> and the committee rolls back is time you are recognized. >> it is great to have you back and to address the 911 but as we have worked in the states diverting that money is stealing from the fund they are paid into. so sticking with you with the farm bill as a contrary, to get my pitchforks out but one of the things we are on there is broadband deployment.

how can we get the sec to work together to not duplicate functions with several broadband as a remember has mentioned that their discussion so with that consultations to that there are extensive provisions. and then to provide duplication the chairman with different agencies so they will talk to those in with those poor decisions made.

>> and then we didn't know about the duplication. and it went 25 degrees and i recognize our speeds from what people would like to stretch our dollars from $14 million that 24 million. the unserved households today is our primary concern. trying to figure out and rather than consultation. >> let me go to mr. carr. you have done some work already what we are trying to do which is to address the deployment not reinventing the

wheels. and then putting up the 5g system so can you talk about with the commission so far on that aspect? >> thank you for your leadership on these issues and that legislation there have been really a lot of great ideas. what is ongoing with 5g it isn't just about next gen connectivity in san francisco or new york there are thousands of communities that need their fair shot. but a portion of 5g is one of the challenges that the economic case to get everywhere. by removing regulations designed to hundred foot mac pro towers then continue we put the updated approach a small soul can make a big

difference to extend 5g everywhere. >> so just finish this part of the debate. we are directed to federal property and issues because there is a concern by smaller municipalities that you could in the guise of rolling out 5g to take away their rights of their local decisions. have you had those debates or discussion? what are your thoughts about that? >> we have had a good and productive meeting whether that county commissioners with u.s. conference of mayors, they deal with issues the fcc will never deal with. local officials will get the call about it if an ugly sell

goes up so we can find the common ground to share the same goal with more broadband. >> my time is expired i wish i had more time i yield back. >> mr. welch you are recognized. >> to make three comments and then make two comments the comments are number one and number 2i do commend you for your decision on sinclair. number one that is so important to do things together add number two to have a strong world community we have to have local institutions and there is no institution more important locally and then number three there is an opportunity for us but the two topics are about the buildout. commissioner rosenworcel said

you cannot assess it if you cannot measure it. you cannot challenge broadband or make it universal unless you acknowledge there is a problem. what congress said in 1996 requires the fcc to report annually whether that telecommunication capability is the point for all americans in a reasonable and timely faction. in 2016 serving on the commission then, said it was critical. i agree this administration with that capability to the american people in a reasonable and timely fashion. you understand those standards are set for mom -- set forth fast-forward the broadband

appointment report and your leadership there was a determination of broadband services to be deployed in a reasonable and timely basis the fcc now meets the statutory mandate in a reasonable and timely basis. that isn't what congress is requiring. to get the job done. i want to stop the facts 24 million americans lack access to have speeds up to the fcc standard you agree? >> i do. >> 51% lack access to broadband service. >> i agree. >> 50% lack access to fixed

broadband and local lte. >> i have to check that number i have no reason to suspect not. >> we are in agreement there is a problem and i hope that we are not to encourage but to get it done. >> now in listening to you so weird you see the benefits of deregulation of net neutrality? >> let me be explicit. i could give you a ten to write a revocation of every single regulation that exists. will that provide the financial incentive to build out undergrowth in iowa and kansas where there is one house every half mile?

>> this is a central problem. there is no private business. >> that's my point. where there is no market. >> look at the letter it is in my testimony they are spending millions of dollars because of these regulatory issues. >> thank you for bringing that up. in fact i happen to be a customer. they said they will invest $4 million with 100,000 people underserved and vermont but the detail was the recipient of a 100 million-dollar power gradient. that is relevant. that was public money that went to help the broadband. we have agreement to get rural

america wired. but it will not happen just with deregulation has to be some mapping or universal fund. and we had people in here from local communities to do really hard things and getting it done. my time is up and i did not even get to the homework yet. i applaud you for your work. this is a real ongoing problem and i yield back. >> you are recognized. >> chairman pai technologies such as the internet or artificial intelligence and to

even change the everyday lives. and are the commission of these folks to learn from these emerging technologies and with broadband? >> we are. thank you for that thoughtful question. because of professional obligations starting in the fall of 2017 that is part of the reason why i announced the fcc would host a forum made her this year of the impact of artificial intelligence and on the telecommunications sector we are scratching the surface with these technologies. we have disrupted a number of industries and there is a focus for the fcc to reconstruct communications. also a number of other technologies and augmented realities with the connected

vehicles and then to be track of that is hard with these innovations but talking to a number of experts with those companies in silicon valley to make sure we are aware of the judges i think over the next five or ten years it will be mind blowing. >> commissioner o'reilly the rate cost to identify 100 megahertz of new spectrum by the end of 2042 and with those existing technologies to provide innovations.

>> and then to move forward that we assume that would be adopted later this fall to provide additional spectrum we have been working extensively and maybe there is a place we can work so we have reached maximum capacity and terms of services. it would have to be a very big portion going forward. >> commissioner carr passing the precision connectivity act in we are hearing a lot of questions about rural broadband. this is a bipartisan bill with

the gentleman from iowa to direct the commissioner in collaboration to identify and measure that availability with the policy recommendations to promote the broadband expansion. and then to execute those requirements for this connectivity act? >> yes. it is an important issue with the data that is used in agriculture you get out to the fields in michigan and you can see the high-bandwidth uses from combines and they take detailed images and we need to find ways for high-speed broadband for ranchers and this is one way to do that.

>> and then to me that broadband challenge? >> ultimately it will take technologies and then to see a new generation we will have a lot of different technologies to make that last mile work. >> i yield back the balance of my time. >> madam chair thank you all of you for being here this afternoon. chairman pai i want to ask about your response regarding the attack that crashed the fcc website during the neutrality comment. last year during the hearing

indicated he will provide information and that you had provided a detailed response to the committee and i would be happy to provide that to you with the particulars of that regard. the committee we have not received that then you responded to a question for the record to say you could release the information to the committee that since then we have learned and we have a lot more questions than answers and still waiting for a response. >> do you agree with oversight of the fcc with heaven asking more than a year? that is a good question congresswoman following that hearing that you reference

that counsel opined that we require a letter from the committee to share certain information because of sensitivity of that information should issue such a letter again we could accommodate. additionally we have been working with the gao as well as the office of inspector general on these issues. that is ongoing for different months that doesn't mean we are working with the independence to investigate these issues. >> we should have some information so from the subcommittee chair. >> my understanding is. >> what is your definition of committee? those that sent you a letter?

>> madam chair we will talk about this. so then i would like to continue there is already some public information about the attack we commit to finally following up if we get this letter with the committee to provide those reports the service logs related to the attack and the protocol to document that what steps you are taking to mitigate events like this going forward? >> i can tell you we are working cooperatively with the office of inspector general doing a fantastic job to investigate this issue i don't want to speak for him but i can't say i would expect him to issue more information on this in the near future. >> let me also ask you chairman pai a u were sent asking for an investigation about him properly sold viewer

data and you punted the matter to the ftc that i disagree with i will get a follow-up letter that is critical that forces privacy to the extent when can we expect a response and why do they decline of the investigation? >> we can only exercise authority that congress has delegated and in this particular case section 338 and 361 that affect cable operators and satellite systems neither is a satellite operator or cable system we cannot exercise jurisdiction in the manner in which you requested what you were asking about with the dish with its provision of aggregate data is an exception from the statutory authority it does not allow us to exercise jurisdiction so the

recognition under the current law the ftc can be and is expressly authorized of the ftc act to investigate this particular matter that is why we referred to them as the cop on the beat we want them to look at this issue with your request. >> i am out of time i yield back. >> mr. guthrie you are recognized. >> this is an directly fcc you have been working on and with the apprenticeships working with susan davis from california on another committee and with wireless infrastructure came to see me and they are trying to figure out that 5g deployment could be held up just by not having the skills of men and women to deploy a 5g.

i have 6500 open jobs in my community but if you shop with some skill is easy to do well living wage if you shop for skills you have a career. so in terms of this area with that skills gases? >> thank you congressman in sioux falls south dakota with my own skills gap. [laughter] but your point is from two places when you look at the deployment of next generation 5g thousands of small cells right now we don't have the workforce in place to do that work that deployment or the considerations are implications to get coverage. then we also see in communities to have the skills once those connections are in

place. in detroit does school trying to give low income people were recently released from prison the job skills they need to take advantage of the economy to your point there is more that we can do on the apprenticeships side to streamline those efforts to make it easier for people to move into the space i have done some events at the department of labor gear toward that. >> and we want careers instead of jobs. also chairman pai we had the opportunity to look into a bill in that area but commissioner o'reilly brought this to our attention do you see any other barriers in the auction mechanics that could be a statutory fix to streamline? >> thank you for the question before i do that i want to assure the subcommittee we agree with the general counsel

and without t10 restorative had a quorum position on that comment. [laughter] but more seriously we are grateful to you for your leadership to fix that problem. looking at the lay of the and we haven't authority at this point from what i talked about earlier to make sure we have options and a productive way. >> thank you. i was ghana answer to the point i don't think is a question of authority but oversight and following up to make sure that we can meet the goals for the future. >> and also commissioner o'reilly thank you for your support in your testimony this is an important issue would you like to elaborate on the need for the spectrum and those time frames you expect to see? if you need to be more

specific? >> absolutely. the predominant what i mentioned it is congested so we need to add more to the portfolio while the benefits that we have worked together on this issue this is the second best option for additional unlicensed spectrum we are working hard on that one -- hard on that. maybe we can move that forward quicker with that uplink with that other component that we talked about earlier and then coming to the point on timing and the chairman i don't want to get ahead of him but in the fall timeframe. >> commissioner rosenworcel? >> i agree with the comments

historically they have been scrapped we have to be intentional and we need more wi-fi in the skies we have opportunities with six gigahertz band and it is time to pursue that. >> my time is expired i yield back. >> the gentleman yields back. >> commissioners thank you for your work it can't be easy but chairman pai it has been two months in the vpn filter to be used with information for devices to block traffic and hundreds of thousands of routers compromised but consumers have been left wondering if their router is affected or how to take action and these are routers from the isp so do you. they have a responsibility to inform consumers about known

for their abilities? >> we do want to ensure they get the information that they need. >> do they have a responsibility? >> legally we have to look into it as a general business matter i hope that they would inform consumers. >> is the fcc doing anything to encourage isps and how to update their routers if they have been compromised? >> congressman i cannot comment on things that could have classification to them. but we would be happy to work with you to provide information that we can. >> are you doing anything at all to help customers remove malware from their routers? to make those are conditions i cannot discuss but we do monitor threats to equipment and to the industry to make sure they are apprised.

>> commissioner rosenworcel death the fcc have a role to protect customers from cybersecurity threats? >> yes. i also think equipment authorization process those routers have to be authorized by the agency because they use radiofrequency. we could look into using the process to certify them any malware or cyberrisk. >> thank you for the answer gao submitted to investigating those to the fcc with neutrality and the attorney general is investigating as well as it stands at least 2 million comments are fake some coming from russian e-mail addresses. tee9 is that your view they have been cooperating with law enforcement agencies. commissioner rosenworcel is it your view they have been cooperating with law enforcement agencies i think

that is a problem smack to me peoples identity was stolen that is a federal crime under title 18 and in many states we should be referring these to the department of justice and the state attorney general spirit can you commit to ensuring that the fcc will commit to the investigation? >> we have been working with the office of inspector general and gao and also to announce recently that they would be changing the process to ensure the issues that arose last time like 7.5 million comments supporting tile to like fake meal generator or those from a single address have happened and we are exploring the use of other solutions assuming we get authorization from committees to reprogram those. >> i'm still waiting for a response on the comments to

request memoranda from the comment system requesting these documents and hope that you will provide them sometime soon. >> to follow up on my response earlier we are working with inspector general was doing a fantastic job so stay to be will be issuing information we also have consultation with general counsel and guarding those certain types of information you are seeking. >> there are steps you are taking now to prevent comments from being filed to impact your proceedings? >> yes we are exploring in consultation with career staff and the directorate others the solution that is a very similar mechanism to ensure the integrity of our proceedings we were supposed

to have a fully open process anyone could participate and want to make sure that to is inspect the integrity of the process and confirms the seriousness of our. >> commissioner rosenworcel with the lifeline program that will only further wyden the digital divide a major setback from population that the proposed changes any idea how that could affect better crack. >> i appreciate the question i am a daughter of an air force veteran there are 1.3 million veterans of this country in the lifeline program today and like with senator mccain to expand the program to include the veterans pension program so that more veterans could apply and participate when they finish their service they can react with me to civilian life with communication necessary to do so. i think it would be offensive

if they decided to cut them off communication service. >> that gentleman you back. >> thanks to the chair and welcome to the four leaders of the fcc. chairman pai back home in texas thank you for standing up for the internet. because of your actions to stop the false net neutrality rules of the previous administration. you saw firsthand what my former boss phil graham found out with the bad government program. easier to kill a vampire then a bad government program but yet you persevered and now it is deader than elvis. [laughter] it is hurricane season thank

you for coming down days after harvey to help with all the ground recovery and her communication systems harvey, her marie -- and are one -- harvey have to be prepared what are you prepared for this year. >> thanks for the question and thank you for hosting me when i was in houston after hurricane harvey. we are doing a number of things to make sure the networks are safe and restoration is safe and quick as possible with funding we have extended funding for the islands to restore those networks as quickly as possible with a number of different waivers to make sure carriers are focusing on rebuilding networks additionally we have engaged in different experiments and

then also in a situation like that we don't care what technology is used to get people back on the grid we want them to get back on additionally to make sure the wireless emergency system is much more resilient talking about the different steps that we are making sure that they are more targeted and more informational. an additional one that is specific to you because people don't think about this is 33 trillion gallons of water came down in texas when you think of hurricane harvey that had a huge impact on the area that had copper lines in the ground it degrades under severe water pressure if exposed it is useless in those areas that had fiber which march more resilient the cell towers did not go down and stayed up all together it is important talking about

retirement rules and that nitty-gritty there is a huge public safety benefit to doing this this is very important to keep that in mind all these issues previously have a public safety dimension we should all recognize. >> thank you for all of those emergency backpacking over the tornadoes for the whole system your work got it to where it was and that's a big deal because just after days of buzzers going off. so commissioner carr you are finding new ways to reduce government red tape that slows that 5g deployment and since then to launch 5g this year. how will your work help us

quickly and houston? thanks for the question i'm glad to see houston is on the leading edge up getting 5g that is what we want to replicate across the country we have reforms we have taken to reduce the cost to make a big different and difficult to serve areas with a number of ideas that we look at and then to follow-up on your earlier question at the harris county 911 center on and to do in response of hurricane harvey. >> chairman pai as you know from my biography with the leader in the navy you have a member don't you thank you should follow his lead as well? [laughter]

>> that was one i had not prepared for. [laughter] commissioner carr is morning in bold and high i would but my own life at risk go against a 10-foot tower once deployment is ready. >> i will go with you i yield back. >> you will also find that tower. >> thank you madam chair welcome to the panelist i want to follow-up on my discussion talking about the six gigahertz understand they are moving on with the six gigahertz band so commissioner by the end commissioner rosenworcel what protection and mitigation with the

coordination could protect incumbents? >> thank you. those that have been interested have put forward engineering studies to show that is minimal with the number of mitigation efforts to explore the rpm this fall. >> we do have before us what my colleague reference the most important thing we can do to put this out for rulemaking to make it possible for six gigahertz for unlicensed service in your future. >> last week i announced i have legislation to direct the department of commerce in a working group of stakeholders to develop a consensus -based definition of block chain distributive ledger systems

have interesting application and communication networks including deployments and sharing next-generation networks including 5g has the opportunity to make sure spectrum is used as efficiently as possible but currently there is no common definition of block chain that could hinder in spectrum use cases sharing is the only viable option. commissioner rosenworcel what potential could block chain to have to increase efficiency? >> thank you for the question we have seen some forward thinking about this i have pointed out that spectrum is a scarce resource and we need to come up with more efficient ways to distribute it other than traditional license and unlicensed regimes and to use that technology like block chain could make that possible we could see dynamically seeing her lightweight leasing

or innovative uses for the scarce resource that is the right way to go. >> moving on. i command as a potential core midrange for next-generation networks and with those characteristics to make that distribution and particularly with the 5g mobile networks and then to appropriately recognize the commission had information on incumbent operation and they need to be protected and i appreciate the slot for additional information on our existing legislation as well as the previous application. chairman pai how is it together work on additional information on encumber --

incumbent users going? >> it is going well we have extended the time and the latitude some of these folks how to register with us we have extended until october 17 and the timeline for them to report we hope they will come to you to let you know we have a more robust picture of where the stations are to proceed to fully informed decision about this band. >> the clearinghouse is critical without deployment of next-generation networks and i am interested and to be more efficient and innovative. since the ftc consider the role that opportunistic now with those systems to play that arrangement through commercial lease holders i am

interested in the legislative framework to facilitate the opportunity to coordinate with the t5 to allow the agencies to accept commercial users. how do you believe additional spectrum sharing has the certainty and appointment needs along with government users? can i thank you for the question and for your long-standing leadership on spectrum issues you are right we need to put more tools on the table and more options on the table to explore always to get more spectrum out there for consumer use. >> with the work on this committee i've been focused on expanding access so i thank you commissioner carr for your focus on that. >> a time is expired. mr. johnson is recognize. >> thinking mdm. chairman and to our commissioners for being

here. chairman pai, earlier this year it was funding with the mapping issue we funded that to update the national broadband map. how is that ever going? is that a process that uses state and commercial material that would render a useful map? >> i personally have spoken to the administrator about this issue to make sure they are not reinventing any wheels they are all on the same page with mapping. with the second part of your question now i have forgotten. >> do you believe the process

will render a more accurate? >> our hope is it will with my leadership we have started a comprehensive review with the process to make that information that we get is as granular as possible and as feasible as possible for those who need that including t5 and others. >> i think the other commissioners agree that is important and i appreciate what you said about reinventing the wheel. this is not rocket science. we ought to be able to produce a map and produce one very quickly in an accurate map as a starting point for solving this problem. it has been an issue that has been dragging and dragging. so whatever you can do to encourage to push that along is important in the rural

areas suffering with intellectual capital loss. >> cybersecurity is obviously a very important issue as well with the debate of which agency should take the lead. and then to work routinely with the department of homeland security and with those conversations are held in confidence by statute. obviously that kind of protection encourages sharing of critical and confidential information that we all agree is the best way to safeguard the communication. but that same statutory protections do not exist at

the t5 are you concerned dhs and t5 could work to undermine cybersecurity. >> it seems like every week a new story draws our attention to that fact i am happy to report we had a close working relationship with the lynn security about some cybersecurity issues this morning we talked about that popped up. we want to make sure on the same page and although under current law to be more the consultation type of fashion with cybersecurity should congress see fit to change the law that only arguable source would be section one which is a high-level broad statement and then section 2.2 is more for consumer information if congress would change the law he would make sure the networks are secure in the meantime i will work

collaboratively with dhs and other federal partners in the intelligence community that cybersecurity is reinforced. >> i cannot get to questions but i will try. united states wanted the race with 4g based on the economy according to some reports drove the 84-point increase of wireless related jobs because of that they now support over 4.7 million jobs and contributes 475 billion annually to the u.s. economy according to that repor report. what should the t5 do to make sure all those economic and job benefits continue to occur in the u.s.? the neck exactly what we are doing to be aggressive on spectrum holding auctions this fall.

and more than a year and six gigahertz and others and with infrastructure to make sure we continue to modernize regulations and guts of the future 5g network but i recently came from two conferences to hear from regulators everywhere from algeria to guyana i.e. van trinidad to fiji they are looking to united states for leadership as it was put to me you are doing it right and we are following your need on the 5g issue that reinforces the fact we are doing the right thing. >> i'm glad we can help. i heal back. >> you are recognize. >> welcome to the entire commission. commissioner rosenworcel said

nine months is a school you're also going the time it takes for a child to come into this world. it has been a while. welcome back. i want to set the record straight on a couple of things. people are entitled to their opinions but not her own fax it has been talked about today that somehow it is fiction that my republican friends destroyed net neutrality and wiped out privacy on the internet. that isn't fiction it is a fact. on december 14, 2017 the commission voted to upend the net neutrality rules that were in place and that were tested but nevertheless that was rescinded and on march 28,

2017 the cra went sweeping through this committee by the chairwoman and went through the full committee like a prairie fire through the house of representatives and removed all privacy protections from the internet. i know what i voted on. i voted no. but to say that the somehow armed group or not people are referring to them, is simply not the fact i want to shut that down. because i think it is important. mr. chairman i want to quickly follow up on the congressman's question three specifically asked of the fcc is cooperating with law enforcement agencies. is that referred to the bureau or to the commission?

>> is what? >> the investigations? the violation. >> is that a referral to the bureau? or does the full commission act on that the letter that was referred to our office was to general counsel. >> what does that mean? i want to know has there been a referral to a law enforcement agency? i think that's what the congressman was talking about you talked about the sec or the gal or whatnot and the ig. so have you referred these violations to a law enforcement agency? yes or no? >> we have consulted with the department of justice. >> hasn't been referred to for

examination? >> that is not our role that is the department of justice issue. >> i thank you don't want to answer the question i don't want to litigate i want a yes or no spirit to the extent we have jurisdiction we have worked with the office of inspector general. >> i think i know what your answer is. i want to get to something and they don't have much time is probably more of a statement. it's been said we have 24 million americans that either have no broadband service or very slow service in the country. shame on all of us. is there a five-year plan on this? some of that may belong in the private sector. some of that you may need

authority from congress or a subcommittee or other actions. what the commission can take but we have to solve this issue. every time the commission comes together all the subcommittee hearings we go over and over and over this issue and it's not getting any better. can someone enlighten me on thi this? >> in all fairness we appreciate the incredible amount of work on this. >> you all have. >> we've done the easy stuff but now the medium locations ongoing right now but left over from that in the remote areas in those areas that don't get served will be the hardest. >> what will knock it out of the park.

>> the 14,000,024,000,000 but it is important am not saying that it's not 14 million should be ignored but we are working hard in those remote areas we will need additional funding that we don't have today and contributions from congress and federal dollars some of those dollars went to other federal agencies it will require additional ratepayers. >> your time is expired. >> you are recognize. >> thank you madam chair. so thank you very much for coming to my area. i appreciate that very much.

chairman pai when you were in the tampa bay area you could review the testing that charter communications was doing in and around the district. in particular conducting trials shows promise for better and faster coverage at the same time that three dog five band used by federal radar systems used by the navy and coast guard on the gulf coast of florida as well as other areas. the environmental sensing capability was created to ensure the federal uses are not interfered with also allow shared spectrum to prepare the 5g enabled technology this band provides a great opportunity for industry and competition as long as we ensure systems remain secure what is the status of the

implementation and sensitivity standards? >> thank you for the question and thank you for the hospitality you showed me in tampa and the visit to the district i am excited about the spectrum because that trial that you show to see how charters using the spectrum with a seamless high definition for consumers it is a critical part of that i am happy to report we are working with the department of defense on testing it is very complex i cannot give you a definitive timeframe but we are working as quickly as possible to wrap that testing up to enable that shared use of that resource. >> commissioner o'reilly i know you are reading that chart -- leading the charge.

>> i agree there are two parts that deals with the commercial users and the federal outreach not to have interference and to separate timewise and now it looks like they are lining up nicely and q1 next year is not irrational we are hoping to do some things i cannot speak on but later their sheer and then soon after. things are lining up pretty nicely but he mentioned the point regarding charter and to that point charter has advocated a different position that they favor counties so i'm trying to find commonality with those different entities

that are seeking this. those that have not moved or advocated for where they have been they will not yield anything so trying to find commonality against all of these different position. >> thank you very much and for the update. a very long way to the d.c. circuit court and in particular the ruling invalidated the definition to do away with the commission to reassign the number with the safe harbor rules so what action is the sec taking with those definitions and rules for bad actors but not for everyday americans at risk to lawsuits? mr. chairman can you address that? >> we are still actively

studying the results of the opinion and we are working with staff on the key issues they didn't if i like the autodialer revocation of consent and the like we cannot give you a specific timeframe but looking those issues as a result. >> madam chair i have one more question but i will yield back my time in submit for the record. i appreciate it. >> he feels back and now you are recognize. >> thanks to the members of the commission to be with us today i want to compliment you that they have done an excellent job and to effectuate the rollout but based on what i have seen with the stakeholders in the space are moving much more quickly than i ever would have envisioned whenever big part

in houston that is amazing when you talk about speeds like ten gigabits that is amazing so the luck on getting that done. in fact that sets the stage a cost-effective way to rule out broadband and with a 24 million people widely talked about during this hearing. commissioner o'reilly in chairman pai talking about what you're doing in terms of making spectrum available and part of that entails dealing with the radio stations during the original legislation. my bill was addressed in the act and to set aside the appropriations to do that but you can move quickly so can

you give us a preview of what we can expect in that regard? a few seconds. i hope we see a unanimous vote i don't speak for my colleagues but is important to run as quickly as possible with the right receivership and radio stations as a result of the incentive options. >> moving to another subject believe it or not one of the biggest complaints i have received which is generally happy is that they are upset about robo calls i know that hasn't come up today i know you are taking steps to stop the spoofing of phone numbers can you give an update? who owns that among this group. >> you get the big ones. >> thanks for the question it frustrates me even on vacation

i spent several minutes on the phone trying to figure out how they got my information. over the last year and a half we have adjusted the notice of inquiry with digital fingerprints for every single phone call and also the private sector group now looks at call vindication now allow calls to block speech code and also very aggressive action with terms of enforcement and also to allow legitimate callers who doesn't want to be called. and then in the sec with those

operations and they may be willing to cooperate. >> and you have that broad authority and with that statute of limitations. >> and then moved to the spectrum and part of that was set aside and with that autonomous vehicles with that communication and their seems to be that other people want to use that to try to offload that data transmission.

what do you see for the future part of the spectrum? >> commissioner riley and commissioner rosenworcel with the op-ed we did a few years ago we are working actively along with the nti a in the department of transportation and others to figure out and phase one if interesting or ultimately this has to be an effort and to make high value of the spectrum. but then to and then to be

pretty worried what happens. the gentleman yields back. >> commissioner o'reilly spending my time on the 911 diversion integrity act in my area we went to niagara county that does not have the latest technology they don't have the money to get there and because of your visit we shined a light on new york state that has about 13 million cell phones and the state set their own fees new york has the highest fee in the nation 120 per month raising $185 million

it was supposed to be for the 911 service but our bill would forbid for that money to be wasted in albany should be going to upgrade but instead it is triggered away. so to put that money back on the table and to have no interest in most of the folks in our district were astounded to know the 911 service charge on their cell phone bill every day was not going to 911 service.

and that 911 fee and in a bipartisan way all of the counties who is calling that everything is moving together. and in some cases there is literally a dozen or more. the sheriff's department wants theirs with fire issues even though all the cell phone calls don't go place with no land lines so we want to thank you for shining a light on this where we were and we have done some research since this

isn't a large county $10 million in two albany is still should have $6 million but each state makes its own rules. only $2 million back that this is supposed to help but only 2 million. even if the state diverted with 4 million to come in.

and that would feel better to go home and with your input to have the state not only diverging but the minute they stopped diverting the naval fixed the pothole over here with some federal oversight. and then get this on the record. >> it is good to be home in niagara county so the members are paying for that twice not only the 911 fees that are diverted with a local residential tax property taxes went up to find a short also

they are hit twice in your new yorker is made no intention to change this. and just talking to those in guam. >> you have shined a light and you were helpful this is not a partisan issue. >> mr. costello. >> i have done my best to delve into these issues they are very sophisticated on the day to day basis and i want to commend each of you on your expertise and the time you dedicate to our country and to the industry to get it right.

so i want to ask mission or o'reilly -- commissioner o'reilly today to articulate to give more a presence on cybersecurity issues. so with supply-chain vulnerabilities it is my understanding the sec should not play a lead role with these phone abilities a long tradition with the executive branch of national security expertise that it routinely has certain licenses to the informal working with the national security implications so do you believe the ftc has anything new or unique to add to the cybersecurity work for national security agencies have a good handle on these

issues? >> the authority has been provided by congress on the issue of cybersecurity. and that is one thing that and then to form t telecom but i do believe we don't have the primary role functions. >> those reforms that you advocated does that contemplate that expertise that could be le led. >> so those changes 14 telecom to address that timing made by them.

actually that was beneficial. and that was the time period. and then to have a better and efficient government. >> cybersecurity is a deeply serious issue you don't feel placing more jurisdiction within the fcc or to have them exercise additional jurisdiction within the statute would be well-placed because we have existing intelligence agencies fully capable of doing that? or did i say too much? >> i agree with a lot of what you said we will continue to have conversations but they

have a great deal of authority as it relates for consideration. >> is any thing - anybody have anything to add to that? with that prospect telehealth in the healthcare system at large and for world america but with that three-year program file program were to have the telehealth technologies? remaking for the question. and with that notice of inquiry. it was telehealth the remote technology are significantly improved outcomes. and in the mississippi delta

also with those cost savings the one program that i mentioned 20% of the diabetic population and then projected to save $189 billion through medicaid expenses. >> very good. but then to emphasize the importance of telemedicine and we found that these principles very well. look in kentucky for the first time they can treat students because there is no pediatrician and that falcon key county. or look in idaho with a give better health consultations around the country. all the things the fcc is doing in collaboration we can

dramatically improve those outcomes. that isn't a direct impact on you but spending a lot of money and to save money for the system and to save money for the system how about another five minutes. >> you are recognized. >> thank you for all your service to the country and i appreciate it to have the transparency act have the commissioner publish on the website any documents at least 21 days in advance without codification of the most important aspects that is currently in place at the g5

and as part of the record to support the current transparency prosperous -- process in place and with that transparency act? >> absolutely. >> i agree wholeheartedly. >> yes it is good government. >> it is in the monthly agenda meeting commissioner o'reilly to be born out of a recognition intern's of children's programming with the traditional broadcast tv service and to support families and children to have access programming, competition and consumer choice have never been greater

for all audiences. so what is the assessment of the video marketplace? >> thank you. the only issue of rollback with greater flexibility and as you highlight the marketplace changed incredibly when that was and acted in the 1986 when those rules were put in place they were modified extensively to have a much broader marketplace it is and just those three broadcast channels but a plethora of options at a time for those over the top so any family that doesn't have any of that except broadcast television we try to address that and with that flexibility to multi-

cast so that is greater flexibility that we hope to do later this year. >> and to have a digital divide in the 21st century broadband access and then to participate in digital commerce while bolstering the local economy in the national economy. and then that rule structure and the serviceability act was included and signed into law in march. and then with those robust resources in the fy 18 on me to the tune of 600 billion. and as the telecom work

continues with the tools that they need so commissioner o'reilly you focused on those funding streams we all went to bridge that digital divide but that funding between agencies. and then by pouring money into the same areas how can they better coordinate? >> but i really appreciate the efforts working in the program that was created in consolidation and with the farm bill today is very beneficial to give you exactly what you highlighted. to not be a mechanism but that

language did not get there and then we can correct that going forward. >> on the issue of stingrays there has been a lot of heat lately about these devices located around the sensitive areas. and then how do we deal with this issue? i like to make the point the fcc has encouraged everybody to how to address this situation as a concern from the national security perspective. so with that i yield back the balance of my time at this

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