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first in the world to deploy ig and an aggressive schedule of auction for low and mid high band spectrum pursuing. that is why ranking member doyle and i have introduced the airwaves that does just that. it is my understanding that no matter how ambitious we are in setting a schedule, 80 certain technological impediments to launching spectrum in a timely fashion. the fcc's auction it is out of date and if so, what effect did that happen on the commission's ability to keep up with the rest of the world in bringing more spectrum to market? >> i don't know if i would use the word out of date or not as advanced as it should be. it has limitations and to the question congressman doyle raised, part of the reason why i answer no in terms of protections is its an actual

auction that we were supposedly going to conduct was going to be a sealed bid for 74,000 licenses time half 1 million licenses and we were not capable ofrunning with our software . the number of bands people have for, 47 all at once, we don't have the capability to run all those at once. the chairman has done a yeoman's job of scheduling back and i appreciate the work that he's done. three next fall, that's great but in terms of what we are capable with doing with auctions it should be much more advanced for the money we are spending . >> the other members of the commission have thoughts? commissioner? >> we all know we want to lead the world in a wireless economy. and i think it's a shame that

software doesn't allow us to do that. that's aproblem to commit time, energy and resources to fix it. we shouldn't allow it to be an impediment . >> mister chairman? >> that's wife a few months ago i testified in the senate and or resources devoted in part to upgrading our infrastructure to allow us to do much more. >> thank you. charman pai, the commission has a petition from enterprise wireless o'brien for the commission in the fall of 2014. we asked the commission to upgrade the rules around the 900 megahertz band to support broadband. your credit you put the items out as an and all i last august and you've taken a position on the merit of that, that is for the commission to decide.as we approach the one-year mark since the noi, the chairman commits to moving the item to

proposed rulemaking soon -mark. >> thank you for the question. i can say that i am working with our staff and we are doing a notice to follow up on the rulemaking you've inquired. >> thank you very much. from a global competitiveness perspective we need to ensure the us winsthe race . at the same timewe need to ensure we are bringing conductivity to rural america as well . clearly more needs to be done. in a way that includes a rural dividend, setting aside 10 percent of proceeds from auction to deploy wireless and unserved and underserved rural areas. this rural dividends were in place the last two options. over $6 million would be used

to fund rural deployment and this funding would not come from taxpayers or be added to consumers telephone bills. you agree this provides a creative solution to the challenges of deploying rural broadband? >> i commend you for your leadership and agree 100 percent area so much so that in december 2016 i gave a speech in which i outlined my agreement with the proposal. that could have a major impact on incentives abroad. >> i want to continue to work with all members and commend you for your public service. congresswoman brooks and i are on the ethics committee and the ethics committee is meeting now . not about youcongressman . but and not about me either. but i want you to know that i commend the work of this very fine commission. one of the most important agencies of the federal government. iq chairman . >> mister welch is not here so mister millsap, you are recognized.

>> it is great to be herewith all these's . it's good to see you back on the commission. commissioner rosenworcel, i appreciate the time as you came into iowa and newton talk about rural broadband. that was a great opportunity to have you there. i am happy to have the opportunity to have all you a few here to testify because i'm eager to discuss how we can build our broadband in iowa and across the country and how we can improve mapping data. that is my big topic today to ensure we are getting resources to the right places. i'm sure you know my bill that i worked on with representative of them over here, the rural wireless passed into law earlier, the wireless act i should say passed into law earlier this year and it directed you to improve and standardize the ways the fcc collects wireless coverage data that

it will accurately reflect wireless coverage. we talked about this before and i know the problems you had when you were losing coverage traveling to northwest iowa. i like to say better data means better mass and better policies for the areas in need and thisisn't only about cell phones . mobile broadband is particularly important in areas that lack broadband services. with the passage of the rural wireless act, congress is speaking and we are saying we need to get better mass and better data so i'm sure you know that perhaps the fcc will have 180 days after the completion of the auction to promulgate regulations in accordance with rural wireless access and nothing is stopping you from doing that now, i would argue or at least sooner and that's important to cause the mobility to auction will send 4 and a half billion dollars out the door, primarily to

rural areas so this looks like a real missed opportunity. the fcc has heard from industry that we need better maps. but the work to create better maps hasn't happened yet and there's frustration about that. i understand the commission has agreed and i think this is back a couple months back to push back mobility funds to 90 days to allow the current data challenge process to continue but i'm concerned that because the incredible burdens with that process, the data still may not befixed and i can tell you rural america needs this broadband . i think we can all agree with that. rather, i think the commission could take this time to make the fundamental reforms called for by my rural wireless access acts . commissioner rosenworcel, you say in your testimony that too often our procedures fall short of what good governance

requires from mapping practices do not accurately reflect the state of conductivity on the ground. i think that's absolutely right. so my question to you is commissioner rosenworcel, when working to advance good governance and best practice you think it makes sense or the fcc to move forward or should we be making the moves to move forward in a more expedited way? >> we have a problem with wireless service and you cannot manage problems you do not measure. right now the fcc's mapping process for wireless service basically asks the largest carriers whether they provide service to an area and we've invited local officials and wireless character carriers to contest that data. the process of contesting that data is cumbersome and along and it entails setting up an account, downloading 50

pages of information, walking around every half a kilometer and taking down information about signal strength and latency, then uploading that with the certification of an engineer and returning it for ourassessment. i would argue that process is burdensome . as a result, i am worried about our mobility on mapping . >> and chairman, chairman pai i'd like you to respond. >> the system we inherited when i came into office in january 2017 was a free-for-all. any carrier could use whatever technical standards that wanted to supply whatever information it wanted. $4.5 billion of funding i wanted to close the divide to serve underserved areas and that is why under my leadership we started on a unanimous basis a one time data collection for liability to see where the coverage was and where it wasn't in a

standardized set of rules and that's why i appreciate the concept behind your legislation. we've extended the deadline to get entities the ability to challenge, broadened the categories that can challenge, state and local governments. we've extended waivers from everyone from senator joe manchin. nine states currently and a number of webinars, we've created a mac with one such competitor to allow anybody and easier way to pinpoint those areas that are right for challenge. all thesesteps are complex unless something is better than nothing and if nothing is what we started with, we're making progress and i feel confident when we hold the auction , fulton my own mistakes, everyone will be able to get coverage because we did the hard and dirty work of watching the state as best we could. >> we will be staying in touch, i can promise . >> and rob as weeks known in

this committee, does your back is time's welcome everybody, it's great to have you back. i want to start with commissioner o'reilly and thank you for raising and addressing the diverse issue. it's hard to talk about that when you're state, my state was good and then it was bad and i think it's good again . but as congresswoman asher and i have worked on, states diverging that money is in essence stealing from the fund that they were paying into so i want to publicly thank you for that but sticking with you, i've been named to the farm bill as a contrary. get my pitchforks out but one of the things that we want to

reason on there is broadband deployment and there are us issues. how can we get the fcc and anti-a to work together so we are not duplicating functions or actually working together to address? everyone's talking about rural broadband and every member should mention that as part of their discussion so i'm looking for advice and consultation so that when i go in, i can have impact . >> we are looking for more technical advice and there are extensive revisions. there's also the pipe graham created as part of last year's budget bill and they have the potential to provide duplication with existing programs. the chairman has done a wonderful job in working with different agencies but as you look at this language in terms of consultation, it requires consultation though they will talk to us and our

us would talk to the fcc before decisions are madebut that doesn't get you prohibition on duplication, it just requires consultation . >> we know and you look at the house preference, it has a different speed bill and a 125 to 3 and i recognize our season and funding that we do are less than what people would like we're trying to stretch our dollars as fast as we canwith 14 million people . unfunded household, unser council today, i'd be more than pleased to work with you on figuring out how to tighten the language to figure out how we have correlation rather than consultation. >> i appreciate that and let me go to commissioner carl and i can open it up for other full. you've done work already doing what we are trying to do in the speed which is address on the deployment of historic and environmental

rules. not reinventing the wheel, but then you're going to put a 5g. can you talk about what you've done in the commission so far on that aspect? >> thank you congressman for your leadership on these issues. some of the legislation that you mentioned. there is this global rate ongoing for ig and winning that race isn't just about getting nexgen conductivity in new york or san francisco. there's thousands of other communities that need their fair shot at ig. big portion is the small cells and how we make an economic case to get small cells everywhere? by removing regulations designed for macro towers, having them continue to apply those powers, an updated approach for the small cells

and make a big difference in sending 5g everywhere. >> let's finish with this part of the debate and in our language, we are directed to federal properties and issues because there is a perceived concern by smaller municipalities and stop that you're going to or could in the guise of rolling out 5g that we're going to take away their rights to help in local decisions. do you have any of those debates or discussions and what are your thoughts about that? >> you've got a lot of really good, productive meetings with local officials whether it's county commissioners. i was in boston at the new year's conference. these local officials deal with issues that we be fcc will never deal with. there's a cell that goes up, local officials will get the

calls about it, not us but at the end of the day we can try to find common ground because we share the samegoal of getting more broadband . >> my time is expired, i wish i'd had more time to talk to everybody and i yield back. >> mister welch, you are recognized. >> i want to make three comments and discuss 2 topics. the comments are number one, thank you for the help on the passage of the raid bound. number two, i commend you for your decision on player. number one, we did it together and it's soimportant for us to find ways we can do things together . if we're going to have wrong rural communities, we have to have local solutions and there's no institution more important than localnews . three, telehealth is a big opportunity for us and really essential. the two topics i want to speak about are the rural buildup and i'm going to talk aboutthis . the commissioner rosenworcel

said you can't assess something if you can't measure it. you can't challenge broadband or make it universal unless you acknowledge that there's a real problem and what congress said in 1996 required the fcc to report annually on whether telecommunication capabilities are being deployed to all americans in a reasonable and timely fashion. in 2016 he deployment report and you were serving on the commission then said you concurred with it. where it was critical to build back. you said i agree that the policy to deliver advanced telecommunications capabilities to the american people and are reasonably and timely fashion and you were

explicit. the standards set forth by congress are not being met, rural america is being left behind. fast forward to 2018 and in the broadband report under your leadership, there was a determination that broadband services are now being deployed to all americans in a reasonable and timely basis. what you said in your statement is that the current fcc is now meeting its statutory mandate to encourage the deployment of broadband in a reasonable and timely basis. that's not what congress is requiring. it's not to encourage, it's to get the job done. i want to spell out some of the facts that i understand to be the case and you can tell me whether you agree or disagree. .4 million americans lack access to broadband at speeds of 25 to 3, the fcc standard. you agree with that or not? >> i do 33 percent of americans in rural areas lack access to broadband services. 40 million americans lack

access to broadband at 25.3 speed and mobile lte broadband. >> i have to double check that number. >> we are in agreement that there's a problem. and i hope we are in agreement that your job, all of you is not to encourage it, but to get it done. that's good. now, in listening to you not just today but other times i heard you talk about what you see as the benefits of deregulation including the elimination of net neutrality. let me be explicit. we could give you a pad and you could write a revocation of every regulation that exists, will that provide the financial incentives for broadband carriers to build out in vermont and iowa and

kansas where there is one house every half mile? >> this is a central problem. into many parts of this country there is no private enterprise. >> regulation won't get it done where there is no market . >> there's a letter in detail which i presented in my testimony. physically there spending millions more because of these regulatory -- >> thank you for bringing up detail and in fact i happen to be a detail customer and what they said in that letter is there going to invest $4 million more. we got 100,000 people underserved in vermont. what you didn't indicate was that detail was the recipient of $130 million power grant. so that's kind of like relevant. it was actual public money that went in to helping the broadband buildup the fundamental question here is

we got agreement that we've got to get broadband, we've got to get rural america wired and every single day is more important that we do that but it's not going to happen just with deregulation. there's got to be mapping, there's got to be bolstered universal fund. there's got to be a promotion of local competition. we had people in your room rural communities that were having local companies that were doing hard things and getting it done because their investments was in the community but i see my time is up and i didn't even get to the homework which i applaud you for your work on but this is a real, ongoing problem. i yield back. >> the gentleman you back,you are recognized . >> thank you very much for the commissioners being with us today.

chairman pai, technologies such such as the internet of things, artificial intelligence, blocks chain are disrupting markets and changing our everyday lives. we need connectivity to drive these technologies to their potential. is the commission focusing resources on learning more about these emerging technologies and how critical broadband access is to this? >> we are congressmen and thank you for that whole question. i've spent in my professional obligations and personal interest a lot of things time about these issues and the reason why recently announced the fcc would be hosting a forum later this year on the artificial intelligence and machine learning and in particular on the communication sector because we are scratching the surface and terms of potential. we've disrupted a number of industries and there's a youthful focus thinking about how he can disrupt communications. i've been looking at other technologies, augmented reality, blockchain,

connected vehicles and the like. we need to make sure we are keeping track of some of the technologies because of the depth and breadth of these innovations but i've been talking to a number of experts including our own technology officer and the companies in silicon valley about how to make sure we are aware of these changes and the transformation buspar has been tremendous but over the next five or 10 years it's going to be even more mind blowing. >> commissioner o'reilly, the act calls for the fcc to identify 100 megahertz of new unlicensed spectrum under eight gigahertz by the end of 2022.what steps will the commission take to free up spectrum support for existing technologies and provide innovation space for the technologies? >> in answer to your previous

question, don't forget about narrowband. narrowband it is very important. you point out unlicensed. under the chairman's great leadership is going to move forward a number of things including six gigahertz where we will hopefully assuming that npr m is adopted, we will order sometime next year will provide additional spectrums for unlicensed. we've been working extensively on .9 and also raised the question of whether forgot nine might be replaced so we can work to have unlicensed bands and services because we have reached maximum capacity. five gigahertz is getting full. so are messages going to have to be a very big portionof our consideration going forward . >> iq. commissioner, early this week the house passed the precision conductivity act and we've all been hearing questions coming from them about rural broadband and getting that access out there . this is a bipartisan bill that i altered with a

gentleman from iowa, and they had a commission to set up a task force in collaboration with the secretary of agriculture identifying gaps in broadband availability and policy recommendations to promote rapid broadband expansion on agricultural land. you believe the commission can execute the requirements of the precision agriculture conductivity act? >> yes i do and i think it's an important issue. that's an intense amount of data that's used. it's quite mind blowing. when you get outside of these fields, you see the high-bandwidth uses combined to drones that are taking detailed images down to the dot on a crop. we need to find ways to get high-speed broadband for farmers and ranchers. i think this is one way that it's going to do it . >> let me follow up with that.

we require combinations of technologies on wireless tome that broadband the challenge . for the precision agriculture. >> ultimately it's going to require a mix of technology. sievert is going to work some places and we're seeing a new generation. satellite technologies can also help so we're going to have a lot of different technologies to make you laugh smile work. >> and then chair i yield back the balance of my time. >> mister stangl, you are recognized. >> thank you madam chair and thank you all of you for being here this afternoon. chairman pai, i want to begin with you and ask about your response or lack thereof to a letter that mister mcinerney and myself sent regarding the

data tech that crashed the fcc's website during the net neutrality comment. or what you told us had crashed it. during the hearing we were having, you indicated you would follow up with the committee to provide information on what had happened . then another hearing in october you said and this is directly from the transcript, you have provided a detailed response to the committee and i would be happy to provide that to you with some of the particulars in that regard . the committee has never received it. we have not received it and then you responded to the question for the record by saying youcouldn't release the information to the committee . we've learned some information since then from the press about this but we still have a lot more questions than answers and are still waiting for a response . would you agree chairman pai that there's something wrong with members of the committee tasked with oversight of the fcc to learn about issues from the press who we've been asking about them for more than a year? >> in consultation with the

office of general counsel following the hearing you reference, the general counsel opined that we require a letter from the committee to share certain information cause of some of the sensitivity of that information. should the commission issue such a letter we would be happy to accommodate but i want you to know we've been working with both jet the general accountability office and investigative arm as well as the office of inspector general on these issues and that has been ongoing for a number of different months but the fact you might not have heard a lot of news does not mean we have been working with these independent bodies to investigate these particular issues . >> i think this committee would think that we should have some information on this and so you are saying from the subcommittee chair, the whole committee, who do you need to receive that letter from you haven't been asked by enough of us? >> but understanding is the committee -- >> is your definition of committee? >> madam chair, can we talk

about this? all right. and i would like to continue. since there's already public information about the, will you commit to finally following up with the committee if we get this letter to provide us with reports, requests, relays on the deed, the fcc protocol and what steps you are taking to mitigate events like this going forward? >> what i can tell you is we've been working with the office of inspector general. they are doing a fantastic job investigating this issue and i don't want to see for him when i can say is i would expect him to issue more information on this in the very near future. >> chairman, let me also ask you about a letter you were sent asking for an investigation into whether companies improperly sold viewer data to cambridge analytic.

i disagree with but we did a follow-up letter asking for the questions about this decision. it's critical the fcc enforces privacy protections to the fullest extent. when can we expect a response to this letter and why did the fcc decline to conduct an investigation? >> i appreciate the question. the agency is a creature of congress. we can only exercise of authority delegated to the agency and in this case there were two specific authorities, section 31. those authorities extend to cable operators and satellite systems. neither tivo is a satellite operator nor cable system so we cannot exercise jurisdiction in the manner in which you requested. to the extent you are asking about a dish company and its provision of aggregate data,

that is an exception from the statutory authority that does not allow us to exercise jurisdiction but it wasn't simply a recognition of reality under the current law that the federal trade commission and the and is authorized under section 5 of the act and other authorities to investigate this matter and that's why we referred to them. we were the primary cop on the beach and we want them to be able to look at this issue consistent with your request. >> i'm out of time so i can't keep asking. i yield back. >> the dentallady yields back. mister guthrie, you are recognized .>> this isn't necessarily directly fcc but it's something you are working on.it's the skills gap and apprenticeship work with susan davis and i had the wildest infrastructure association and i believe you had come to congress recently and they were trying to figure out how they could have 5g deployment held up by not having the skills of people to go out and deploy 5g so as, i know i have 6500

open jobs in my community. if you show some skill. it's easy to do a living wage if you show up with skills, you have a career. i know that's of interest to you in terms of this area. can you talk about what the skills gap is and things we should be able to do to close that? >> thank you for your leadership on this issue. i find a cell tower in all in south dakota and demonstrated my own skills gap but the skills gap comes in two places. when you look at the deployment of next-generation networks, right now we potentially don't have the workforce in place can do that work. the deployment of it, the consideration that have implications to get coverage and we also see it in communities being able to have the skills to take

advantage once those connections are in place. i was in detroit at the pool that's trying to give low income people, people recently released from prison the training and job skills they need to take advantage of the digital economy. therefore we can do on the apprenticeship side with streamlining those efforts to make it easier for them to move into this space. i got events at the department of labor . >> and as i said, that moves careers and a job and that's what we want to reachout to help people with. also, in the rebounds that , of course congresswoman matsui and myself had the bill included into the area. my question is for your and commissioner riley, you both brought back to our attention. reducing any other barriers in mechanics that may need a statutory fix to streamline, to make the options go better for both of you?

>> before i do that i wanted to assure the subcommittee that we consulted and had something happened on that tower climb, the fcc would have had sufficient to discharge by congress but more seriously, we are so grateful to congressman matsui and the committee for fixing that problem. as i look at the lay of the landin terms of legal authority we have sufficient authority at this point with the exception of the budgeting issues i talked about make sure we continue to conduct auctions in a productive way . >> thank you. i have another question for you. >> i was going to answer to the point, i don't think it's a question of authority but what this committee does very well which is oversightand making sure the auction software is advanced . >> also for you, commissioner riley, thank you for your support on the proceeding and your testimony. this is an important issue for the spectrum office. we you elaborate on the need for this spectrum and what time frame you expect to see.

what time frame you expect to see for the expected and prm. >> you need to be more specific than the hall. >> the agreement on bands i mentioned before are congested. and so we need to add more on spectrum to the portfolio for all the benefits they bring that i've talked about in the past and i've worked together on this issue. sixgigahertz, what i consider the second best option for additional unlicensed spectrum . we will be working hard on that. to try and come to resolution but six gigahertzmay be something we can move forward quicker. is is the uplink to see band and they have the other component this committee has talked about earlier. to the point on the timing , that is somethingthat i don't want to get ahead of the chairman but the goal is to have an prm this fall . >> miss rosenworcel, do you

haveany comments? >> know, i agree with what my colleagues says . we have got to be intentional about it. we need more wi-fi and we got opportunities in the six gigahertz band and it's time to pursue them. >> my time is almostexpired so i yield back . >> gentleman yields back, you are recognized. >> i think thank the commissioners for your work. it can't be that easy. chairman pai, it's been two months since we learned about the vpn filter and whether it can be used to steal information, exploit devices, block network traffic. thousands or more routers have been compromised and consumers either know nothing about it or they been left wondering if their router is affected and how to take action andthese are matters that are being rendered from

their isps but do you agree that they have a responsibility to inform consumers , at least with regards to unknown vulnerabilities? >> we do want to ensure that consumers get the information that they need . >> they have a responsibility here? >> i would have to look into it but as a business matter i would hope they would and confirm consumers. >> is the fcc doing anything to encourage isps to inform consumers about this malware? >> ..

do you think the fcc has a role of protecting consumers from cyber security threat. >> yes, i also think our equipment authorization process is of note here. the routers have to be authorized by the agency because they use radio frequency. we can look into using or part 15 process to wayne -- warn consumes. >> the gao committed to investigating fake comments submitted to the fcc in the net neutrality repeal proceeding and i understand that the new york attorney general is investigating as well. we know that at least two million of the comments are fake. some even coming from russian e-mail addresses. commissioner rosenworcel, it your understanding the fcc has been cooperating with law enforcement agencies. >> die 0 not believe we have been cooperating if the law enforcement agency. that's problem.

two million people's i'ds were stolen. that's a federal crime under title xviii and a crime in many states. we should be referring the maries to state attorneys general and the department of justice. >> thank you. chairman pai, can you commit to enshowing are you office as a whole will cooperate. >> we have been cooperating with the gao and the office of inspector general is looking into the issue, and announced we would be changing our process to ensure senate of the issues that arose last time, for example, 7.5 million comments and support of title ii, using fake mail generator.com those things don't happen and we're slowing the. >> host: of other potential solutions, assume getting authorization from the appropriations committees for reprogramming certain funds. >> well, i'm still waiting for a response for the -- following up

on mrs. dingle's comments -- reports related to alleged attack on the comment system, requesting the documents multiple times and hope you'll provide them sometime soon. >> congressman to follow up on my response to congresswoman dingle we have been working with the inspector general, and stay tuned. they'll we issuing incomes. in consultation with the general counsel we require a letter from the committee order to supply certain types of information you're seeking. >> any steps you're taking now to prevent comments from being filed in a manner that would impact your proceedings? >> yes, sir. we are, as i said, exploring in con zero-tolerance policy soul addition with career -- cob sun station with the career staff and others solutions like cap which and other similar mechanisms to ensure. the system we inherited in 2017 was designed to be a fully open process that anyone can participate in and we want to

make sure it's juan that respects the integrity of the fcc's processes and confirm the seriousness of our work. >> thank you, commissioner rosenworcel, i'm concerned but the proposed changes to the lifeline program and will only further wide then digital divide and be a major set back for vulnerable populations like veterans. can you give me an idea how the changes would affect veterans. >> i am the daughter of an air force veteran. there are 1.3 million veterans that rely on the lifeline program today. in fact at the behest of senator mccain and blumenthal we expanded the program to include the veterans pension program so that more veterans could apply and participate so that when they finish their service, they can re-acclaimate to civilian life and have communications necessary to do so. i think it would be offensive if this agency decided to cut them

off of communication services. >> gentleman yields lack, mr. olsen, you're recognized. >> i thank the chair and welcome to our five leaders -- four leader offered the fcc. chairman pai, human beingsans back home in texas 22 want me to thank you for staying up for a thriving internet. the grateful for your actions to stop the false net neutrality rules of the previous administration. you found out firsthand what my former boss, texas senator phil graham, found out about killing a bad government program or rule. it's easy to to kill a vampire,a bad -- easier to kill a vampire than a bad government program,out you persevered and the previous rule is deader than elvis. it's hurricane season. like to also thank you for

coming down within days after harvey in houston to help us on the ground recover with our communication systems. i'm hopeful this year, is unlike lost year, harvey, irma, marie, fires, we have to make sure we're prepared. can you update us what the fcc has done to prepare for hurricanes and other disasters this year? >> thank you for the question, and thank you and the folks in your district for hosting me when i was in houston after hurricane harvey. we're doing a number of things to make sure our networks are as resilient as possible and that restoration is as quicking a possible. in terms of funding we extended funding to make sure in puerto rico and the virgin islands we can restore the networks as quickly as possible and extended a number of different waivers and screamlining orders to make sure carriers can rebuild networks instead of paperwork. we grant experimental license to google to use project loon to

beam internet access from balloons. we don't care what technology is used to get people back on the grid weapon want them to get back on. additionally we have been working to make sure our wireless emergency system is much more resilient. the bottom line is we are make sugar that these alerts are more targeted, are more informational, and are the consumers don't tune them out. one that is specific you. people don't think about this. some 33 trillion-gallons of water were dumped on your part of the texas, in the wake of hurricane harvey. that had a huge impact on the area that only had copper lines in the ground. copper is -- debraids under severe water pressure and if it's exposed to water it is utterly useless and those years of houston that had fiber were much more resilient the cell towers didn't go down and it's important when we talk about our copper retirement rules and

other nitty-gritty reforms is there's a huge public safety benefit to do thing. i i think it's very important to keep that in mind. all of these issues we have been talk about have a public safety dimension that i think we should all recognize. >> thank you for all of those emergency messages that came over, warning tornadoes, floods, swamped the systems. with your work it's targeted to where it is as oppose told the county. it's the? and that's a big deal because we got -- it just became nothing after days of these going off so thank you for acting quickly to make that happen. commissioner carr, you have been leading the fcc in fighting new ways to reduce government red tape. that slows 5g deployment. verizon has just announced it plans to launch 5g in houston, texas, later this year. can you tell me how your work will expedite this quickfully houston?

>> thank you, congressman forks the question. i'm glad to see houston will be on the leading edge of getting 5g. that's something we want to replicate across the country so we have a number of reforms that will reduce the cost of deployment. a big difference in costly difficult to serve areas. a number of ideas we're continuing to look at, that the commission -- i want to follow up on your earlier question issue was also in houston at the harris county 9-1-1 center and saw the great work they were able to do there in response to hurricane harvey. >> one last question. this is chief commissioner pai, as you know, i spent nine years in the navy. lieutenant commander, a leader in the navy. you have a leader of this fcc, this commission. you have a member who is climbed up a cell tower as leaders don't you think you should follow his lead and climb up a cell tower, somewhere in south dakota maybe? >> oh, that was curve ball i am

not prepared for, congressman. although commissioner carr is quite ongoinger and more nimble than i um, nevertheless i will put my own life at risk to ascend perhaps a 10-foot tower to inspect a small cell in houston. >> i will go with you. i yield back. >> the gentleman will go with how and he will climb the tower. miss matsui. you're recognized. >> thank you very much, madam chair, and welcome to all the panelists. i don't have a climb the tower question here. so, i want to follow up on my caucus co-chair's talk but 6 gig ahurt -- gig hurst. commissioners, what interference protection to mitigation techniques such as frequent

dicoordination could protect incumbents and allow unlicensed operations in this band. >> thank you. so, the -- those that have been interested in the making six gig ahurst available for unlicensed use have put forward engineering studies to show the interference -- hostile enter -- interference would be minimal. >> we have studies referencing the most important thing to do is put this out for rulemaking so we make it possible for the six giga hurst band to be ready nor stewart. >> last week i announced that i'm working on legislation to direct the department of commerce to convene a working group of federal and industry stake holders to develop a consensus -- block kahne --

block chain. next generation networks including 35g capable raid wyoming have the opportunity to ensure sections is being used as efficiently as possible. but there currently is no common definition of block chain. which could potentially hinder its deployment in inspection use cases where sharing may the only viable option. commissioner rosenworcel, would potential which block chain have in increasing spectrum efficiency. >> thank you for the question and forward talking. i have reason some pieces for wired and elsewhere and point out that spectrum is a scarce resource and we need to come up with more efficient ways to distribute it other than just traditional licensed and unlicensed regimes and using directive ledger technology like block chain could make that possible. we can see dynamic leasing,

light weight leasing, better use of this scarce resource so this is the right way to go. >> thank you. i want to move on to the c band. i commend the fcc's work to identify the 3.7 to 4.2gigahurtz band. this band has prop pull gages character yikes that's make it ideal for satellite distribution and particularly valuable for 5g mobile networks. the mprm appropriately recognize that the commission has insufficient information on incouple bent operations that may -- incumbent operations they'd may need to be protected. appreciate the additional information on existing eight station use, or c-band satellite and the previous applications and filing freeze. chairman pai, how is a the work to gather double information on incumbent users going. >> thank you for the question. it's going well.

in part because we have extended the time and the latitude that some of these folks have to register with us. we have extended the time frame by 90 days until october 17th. and streamlined the fees and reports required to report. so at the end of the day this, fall, we hope to come to you to let you know we have a much more robust picture of where the stations are in order to allow to us proceed to a fully informed conversation but the fate of the c-band. >> thank you. mindful that the -- critical in our effort to facilitate demomentum of next generation networks in, i'm interested in new ways to ensure using spectrum more efficiently and innovatively. in 2004 the fcc considered the role that opportunistic technologies can play in promote lease arrange.s between commercial users and licensed holed.

i'm interested in the legislative framework that would facility -- commissioner carr, i how do you believe additional spectrum sharing arrange.s could balance the uncertainty and deployment needs of commercial providers and government users. >> thank you for the question and thank you for your long standing leadership on spectrum issue its. i think you're right weapon need to put even more tools on the table, even more options on the table and we should be exploring all ways to get more spectrum out the for consumer use. >> thank you. i have been focused on expanding access to services so i thank you, commissioner carr, for your focus on them. yield back. >> mr. johnson. you're recognized. >> thank you, madam chairman to our commissioners, thank you all very much for being here. chairman pai, earlier this year,

congress provided funding to mtia and talk about the mapping issue. we provided that funding to ntia to update the national broadband mapping coordination with the fcc. how is that coordination effort going and do you believe that a process that use state and commercial data in addition to the material the commission collects from the form 477 process will render a moring a security useful map. >> your leadership on this issue. i have personally spoken to the administeroff of ntia about the issue and and our staffs have been in touch to share expertise to make sure they are not re-inventing any wheels and we're on the same page in terms of mapping. in term of the second part of you query, which if have forgotten, sorry. >> it was do you believe the process that uses state and commercial data in addition to the material from the 477

process will rein dear moring a security useful map. >> our hope is itself would do and anyone meantime in the leadership, we have a con view of the process to make sure the information we get is as granular as feesible and usable as possible for the folks who need it, include ntia, congress, the fcc ands. >> i know you know and i think the commissioners agree, too, that an accurate map is important and i appreciate what you said about not re-inventing the wheel. this is not rocket science. we august to be able to produce a man and ought to be able to produce a map very quickly. an accurate map is the starting point for solving this problem and it's been an issue that has just been dragging and dragging and dragging, so whatever you folks can do to encourage and push that along, it is important to rural areas where we're

suffering with intellectual capital loss, the rural-urban divide being very real. you know that: chairman pai, cyber security is a very important issue as well. and there continues to be debate over which agency or which submission should take the lead on cyber security. i know the telecommunications industry works routinely with department of homeland security and conversations that occur with dhs are held in confidence, and that's required by statute. obviously that kind of protection of information encourages sharing of critical and confidential information which we all agree is the best way to safeguard our communication systems. understand, however, that same statutory protections do not exist at the fcc so are you concerned that the fcc and dhs could work at cross-purposes,

which may undermine cyber security? >> cyber security is a critical issue and every week there's a new story that draws our attention to that fact. i'm happy to report we have had a very close and productive working relationship with the department of homeland security and this very morning i spoke with dhs about cyber security issues that have popped up. so we certainly want to make sure we're on the same page. we act in a more consultative fashion with dhs. should congress see fit to chang the law, the only arguable source of authority would be section 1 of the communications act which is high level broad statement which doesn't give us operative authority and section 222 which is more consumer proprietary information into congress chang the wall we woulds a mr. execute make sure our networks are -- and other

federal partners including the intelligence community to make sure cyber security is reinforcessen an important issue in. >> i can't get two questions in here but i'll try. 5d, the united states won the race to 4g. increased our economy according to some reports by nearly 100 billion and drove an 84% increase in wireless related jobs. because of that leadership, the wireless industry now supports over 4.7 million jobs and contributes 475 billion annually to the u.s. economy according to that report. what should the fcc do to ensure we maintain our global need 5g so that all of those economic and job benefits continue to occur here in the u.s.? >> congressman, exactly what we are doing of being very aggressionsive on spectrum, and 37, 39 and 47 giga puritieses

and other bands, 3.6 and others 'we need to make sure we continue to modernize our regular layings to innocent vice construction and use of the small cells and distributes and other guts of the future 5g network and our work is having an impact. to hear from regulators around the world, from algeria to guyana to even trinidad and tobago to fiji, they're looking to the united states for leadership because, as one regularrate're tout me, you guys doing it right and we follow your lead on this 5g issue. that recent fors the fact we're doing the right think. >> let us now how we can help. with that it yield back. >> mr. eschew, you're recognized. >> thank you, and welcome to the entire commission. a commissioner rosenworcel said nine months is a school year.

it's also the length of time that it take for a childs to come into this world so it's been a while. it's been a while. welcome back. i want to set the record straight on a couple of things first. people -- it's been said that people are entitled entitled tor opinions but not their own fact. it's been cast about here today that it is somehow a fiction that my republican friends destroyed net neutrality and wind out privacy on the internet. that's not fiction. that's a fact. on december 14th, 2017, the commission voted to upend the net neutrality rules that were in place, and that had been tested in court. nonetheless, that was rescinded. on march 28th, 2017, cra went

sweep through this committee that was authored by our chairwoman, went through thank you full committee, went like a prairie fire through the house of representatives, and removed all privacy protections from the internet. know what i voted on. obviously i voted no. others voted yes. but to say that these things somehow are a rumor, where people refer to them and they're not so, simply not a fact. so, i want to really set that down. because i think it's important to. mr. chairman, i want to quickly follow up on congressman mcinnerney's request which he specifically asked whether the fcc is cooperating with law enforcement agencies, et cetera, et cetera. is that recovers e referred to the bureau or the commission?

>> sorry. congressman, referring the violations. is that a referral to -- does the bureau act on that or does the full commission act on that? >> if we're talking about the same thing, the letter was referred to our office of general counsel. >> what does that sunshine i want to know, has there been a referral to a law enforcement agency? that's what i think congressman mcinerney was asking you. you talked but the gao, i think the ftc, i don't know whatnot, the ig. the -- so, have you referred these violations to a law enforcement agency? that's what i'd like to know, yes or no. >> we have consulted -- >> no, no no. referred, to referred to? for examination, asking for an examination of it.

>> it's not our role toes a mr. title 18. that's the department of justice issue. >> i don't think you want to answer the question. don't want to let gait it with you. just want aey or no. >> it's simple to to the end at the wave jurisdiction we have worked with-the-of inspector general -- >> i think i know what you're, quote, answer is. i want to get to something and i don't have much time, and probably is going to be more of a statement than anything else. it's been said that we have 24 million americans that either have no broadband service or very slow broadband service in the country. shame on all of us. is there a five-year plan at the fcc on this? some of it may belong in the private seconder, some of it you need authority from the congress

and our subcommittee. other actions, the commission can take, but when that stitch together we have solved this issue. every time the commission copper here, all of our subcommittee hearings, we go over and over and over and over this issue, and it's not getting any better. so, can someone enlighten me on this? yes, commissioner. >> so, in fairness, the commission has spent incredible amount of work on this -- >> we all have but i don't sense we're making progress. >> we have din the easy stuff. we're working on what i car the medium locations. we have an ongoing action is for the cafe 2 option. what is left over from that and the remote -- rate of return areas that don't get served under our program is what -- >> what wail that knock out of the park what you just described of the 24 million. >> depending on -- i the

14 million -- it's 24 million if you don't count satellite, and serving 10 million people a day with 253 but i don't anyone say that 14 million should be ignored but a we're working on the really hard area, remote area and we needs additional funding we don't have today and we require contributions from congress and federal dollars which i testified in favor of and the dollars went in other -- to other federal agencies. >> i backed you up on it. >> require additional contribution from rate payers to the likes we have not seen. >> the gentle ladiesry time has expired. >> thankthank you, i welcome the commission and the chairman. thank you very much for coming to my area, speaking to my constituents. while you were in tampa, tampa bay area, you were able to review the testing, the charter,

doing charter communications was doing, and in and around the district. in particular they're conducting trials and that 3.5 band which is showing promise for bet and are faster rule coverage. at the same time, the 3.5 band is utilized by federal radar systems, which is used by the navy and coast guard, on the gulf coast of florida as well as other areas. the environmental sensing capability, esc, that been created to make sure the federal use are not enter feared with and also allowing shared spectrum with industry and preparing the 5g enabled tech nothing. this band provides a great opportunity for industry and competition as long as we ensure federal systems remain secure. what is the status of esc, implemented addition and

interference sensitivity standards, please. >> thank you for theey and thank you for the hospital you showed me both in tampa. it was terrific visit to the district. i'm very excite about the possibilities of 3.5 spectrum because of the trial. to be able to see how charter is using and others could use the spectrum to provide a seamless high definition experience. very powerful. the esc is a critical part of that and i'm happy to report we are actively working with ntia and the department of defense, the testing is very complex and can't view a definitive time frame when it well be cleared what the results may show but do know we're working as quickly as possible to wrap the testing up to enable esc to allow shared use of this valuable resource. >> very good. commissioner o'ryly i -- o'rielly i know you're leading the charge on on 3.5.

>> we have to make sure we don't cause interference. a couple months ago we thought might separate time-was. i was briefed yesterday that things are line up is inly and i think q1 of next year is not irrational, if not earlier. we hope to do some things i can't speak of but announce some things latest this year and then soon after. things are lining up nicely. but ick go back dish don't want to waste your time. you mentioned the opinion regarding charts at the. getting back to congressman doyle's part. charter had advocated a different position in term -- they haven't favored -- they favored separate counties and i'm trying to find a commonality of the different intend.

those that favored census tracks have not invocated for one inch. they will not yield anything so it's been hard to find commonality and you mentioned chart sore i thought i'd bring that up. >> thank you nor update. back in march after a very long waite the d.c. circuit court issued an opinion on the consumption protection act. in particular the ruling invalidated the definition of an auto dialer and did with the commission's re-assigned number and safe harbor rules. in light of this opinion, what action is the fcc taking to establish valid ccpa definitions and rules that targets bad actors, but do not put evidences americans at risk to lawsuits. commissioner, maybe -- mr. chairman, can you address that. >> i'd be happy to. we are still actively studying the results of the opinion in ac

international some and working with the cass on the key issues. the definition of auto dialer, revocation of consent and the like. so, i can't give you specific timetable but we are actively looking at variety of tcpa opinions as a result of the opinion. >> madam chair, i have one more question but i'll go ahead and yield back my feel and submit it for the record. >> thank you. the gentleman yields back. mr. florez, you're rick nationed. >> thank you, madam chairmaning want to think the members of the commission. let me preliminary you on something. the commission has done an excellent job of take thing stay statutory authorities you have gottenning from congress and effectuate the roll out of 35g. based on what i have seen from the stakeholder inside this space we're moving much more quickly than i would have envisioned. we'll have fixed wireless 5g in houston as a test case tents of

the year. that amazing when you talk about heats up to three to ten giga bits so that's amazingy so get work on thing that done. what to talk to you about -- that's always i think sets at the stage for a cost effective way to roll out rural broadband and i appreciate the work to take care of the 24 million people that have been widely talked about during this hearing. commissioner's pai and o'rielly, you touched but what you're doing in terms of the making spectrum available for g5g and part of that intels dealing with the am/fm radio staying is left out during the original legislation. my bill was -- that deals with that was addressed in the ray balm act and also we have set aside the appropriations to do that. you have moved quickly to have

an nprm at your next hearing on august 2nd. can you give us a preview what to expect. >> i hope we'll see a unanimous vote on my process pal but it's important to take that authority you give us and run with it. get public input and the right procedures to protect full power tv stations, fr radio stations and others as result of the -- >> believe it or not one of the biggest complains i receive from the constituents they're upset about robocalls and i don't think that has kohr come up today. i know you're taking steps in terms of spoofing a phone? can you tell us where we are with that -- chairman pai? you get all the big ones. >> you're doing a lot, congressman, this an issue that frustrate me. last week when i was on vacation

i spent several moments on the call with robocalls trying to offend out how they got my information. since i've been in office we adopted a notice of -- we have left the private sector group called the nancy, which is looking at calls indication, and secondly taking steps to allow companies to block, we're taking very aggressive action in terms of enforcements -- sorry, the reassign number database to allow legitimate callers to know whether or not a number has been re-assigned to somebody who doesn't want to be called. on the back end, very aggressive enforcement action. the largest fine imposed in the fcc's history was against a robocaller in florida, $120 million fine. i personally have spoken with any counterpartses abroads because a lot of the robocall

operations comes front different opportunitiry and our jurisdiction ends at the water's edge. they are willing to cooperate. >> what statute -- do you need additional statutory authority. >> if congress is willing to give us mother tools such as the statues of limitations. >> i want to move to the mid-band spectrum. pad of the deck trump was set aside for -- decide indicates short range communications or drsc. that is a part of the suspect trump that could be used for autonomous truck organize seems and vehicle-to-vehicle communications and vehicle to structure communications. there seems to be -- let me say this. other people want to use that for unlicensed wi-fi and things like that to try to offload some data transmission from the

bands. what -- this sex -- this section seems to be soldier future congestion. what do you see nor fired of 5.19 gig ahurts. >> good question. we have long been advocating for this. we are working actively with our office of technology at the fcc and the ftia and then nhtsa, the department of transportation and others, to figure out the way forward. so right now we're in faces one of testing. there's ban report that is in draft mode that we have shared with our federal partners and hope to move forward on that soon. ultimately this had to be a collaborative effort. there are different weighings and different -- we want to make the highest central uuse of the spectrum. >> if i have more stake holds at home trying to desoon the trucking system of the future and they're pretty worried bit what happens if this -- we'll

send some supplemental questions. >> mr. collins, you're recognize ed. >> thank you, madam chair, mr. o'rielly talk but the 9-1-1 diversion, the see integrity act we're putting forward, you were kind enough to visit in our area. we wasn't to a psap in the county which does not have the latest technology, quite frustrated. don't have the money to get there, and because of your visit, we got a lot of press on this, we shined a light on new york state's diversion. maybe just for the record to get this out there new york has 13 million cellphones, 25 million people, that makes sense. little kids may not have them. the states set their own fee, which is the highest fee in the nation at 1.20 per month for the veil phones, raising $185 million.

for the 9-1-1 -- what is supposed to be nor 9-1-1 service. but as our bill would forbid on new york state's diverting 40% of the money to the general fund to be wasted in albany and that's about $75 million a year. it should be going to upgrade -- like we have in niagra county in woeful need of it. instead the money is just being fitters away. so our bill would but that $75 million back on the table, from new york, new jersey, guam, and others with no interest with laws that would forbid this and most of the folks in our district were astounded to know that the 9-1-1 service charge -- it's on their cellphone bill every day were was not all going for 9-1-1 service. they decide not have a subtracks for new york state diversion. 911 fee and then new york state

diversion. so, your visit was well received in a bipartisan way. certainly all of the counties which irstruggling for funds and want to update, want to know when a call comes in, who is calling, where they are sently so they can dispatch people. so of these p crops are decades expulse some cases easterliry county, where i live, there's literally a dozen or more p saps. not evenly consolidate enwin that'sor but a the sheriff's, city police, fire issues, even though all the cellphone calls go no one place, people are somewhat protective of it. so, again i want to thank you for helping us shine a light on this and to further put this forward to. we have done some research since then. over the last five years they

paid 10 mitchell -- not a large county -- $10 million into albany as part of the 1.20 per phone. and while new york state diverted 40%, it still should have left $6 million to come back to niagra county but since each state makes its open rules, new york state tends to favor the downtown state areas. only $2 million came bam to the -- 10 magic is supposed to help our p crop in niagra valley. on two came inch i can assure you if the other eight million or even if the state diverts, if the remaining four million had come in, they would have upgraded that. resident was be saver. those working in those pspss which is very hard, frustrating

job would feel better when they go home at night. with you input i want to point out one thing the bill would do is to have the state not only stop die verying but we would have the fcc better define what would be a use. they may say, well, public safety we'll fix that pothole over here. well, no, this is in need of some federal oversight and, again, you want to make couple of comment. know i burned up most of the clock but i want to getting this on the record. >> i can't thank you much for now leadership. your opinion is well taken in response of 10 million. the consumers in my old town are paying for it twice. paying the 9-1-1 feels diverted and then having to pay higher local residential taxes where the bugs are coming from and property taxes went up to fund the extra 8 million shortfall

and they're being hit guys on this. new york, government has made clear they have no intention of changing this rhode island has no -- in terms of solving their problem. i was just talking to some folks in guam the same -- have some work to do and i would love to continue work with you. >> you shined a light on it. this is also not a partisan issue whatsoever, so -- >> public safety issue. >> gentleman yields back. mr. costello, you're rick niced. >> thank you, madam chair. want to first say, since i've been on this committee, i've done my best to delve into this issues and they're very sophisticated, the thing that each of you deal we on a day-to-day basis and i want to commend each of you for your expertise and the time you dedicate to our country and the industry. we're trying to get it right. with that it want to ask commissioner o'reilly a

question. some of my colleagues on the other side articulated the above giving the nc more presence on the sin beer security issues. while the concern over supply chain vulnerable is well-founded it's my understanding that the fcc is not and should not play a lead role, i emphasize lead role -- on identifying the vulnerables. the fcc has a long -- with the revel intelligence and national security expertise, for example, the fcc refers applications for transes for certain licenses to an informal working group in the executive branch known as team telecom to review the national security interests. dueover believe the fcc has anything new or unique to add to the nation's cyber security work where agencies have a good handle on these issues. >> i have to be careful in terms

of what i can say in public but die believe that the authority has been provided by congress so it's not my question. it's -- the statute, who the congress gave authority. to was to other agencies beside the fcc on the issue of cyber security and that is not something i believe we have great authorized to act. if congress changes that authority it's one thing. i do believe we work well with what is the -- as you reverence, team telecom, they need to reform team telecom but die believe we do not have the primary role. he have functioned we can had to that information. >> that's the reforms you have advocated, does that contemplate you do have existing expertise that could be led if the statute was broadened to enable you to do that. >> the changes i'm thinking is more formal structure and addressing the timing of decisions made by them and making sure that when the

interact between the fcc and team telecom is internal, we have application that sit at team telecom under the last administration for a long time period. that's problematic for those who applied. doesn't mean year undermining national security one eye oat tamp we have a better sufficient government. >> while i characterize while you agree that cyber security is a deeply serious issue, you do not feel that placing more jurisdiction within the fcc or having the fcc exercise additional jurisdiction, be it within the statute or broadening the statute would be well-placed because we have existing intelligence agencies and the fcc does not have anything additional to add. is that correct? or did i say too much. >> you -- there's a lot -- i agree with an awful lot of what you said. we'll continue to have conversations with those entitieses but i think they have a great deal of authority and are capable of providing us the

information as it relates to applications smidt -- submitted for our conversation. >> does anybody have neglect to add? telehealth. it holds benefit to the system at large but on the issue of access for rural america, which iser carr, what can we expect out of the three-year pilot program and what can rural communities expect in. >> thank you for the question. these are some thing we want to tee up in this notice of inquiry that is up for vote. we have seen and great examples of telehealth patient monitoring technology that significantly improved outcome for low-income patients including rural america in the mississippi deal to and also seen significant cost

savings. that one program i mentioned, the mississippi delta, if just 20% of the diabetic population enrolled in that program would safe $189 million in terms of expenses. >> very good. anyone else to add on that? yes. >> i also would add and agree with everything commissioner carr said. president kennedy's first ncc chairman and i wrote a new bipartisan aned that emphasizes the importance of telemedicine and he pounds on the -- if you look at the cases we identified that for the first time are able to treat students because they're no pediatrics in all of allen county, kuk, look at the veterans affairs silt and they're providing veterans with -- what the fcc is doing is we can really dramatically

improve health outcomes for millions of americans and i see here we're only scratching the surface of its potential and that has a direct impact on you, instead of spending money on an emergency room visit if we do pro-active health treatment we can save a lot of money for the system and more importantly save lives and improve hogue outcomes. >> thank you issue yield back. >> seeing there nor fur the -- oh, you came in. >> bought you another five minutes. >> you are recognized. >> thank you all for being here and allor service to the country and what you do. appreciate it. i recently reintroduces the fcc transparency act which requires the commission to publish on the web site any documents to be considered and vote upon at least 21 days in advance. in reality it's a codification of the most important aspect's the tran spare didn't transparency

process. justed a dii want to ask you do you support the current transparency in place at the fcc and do you support the fcc transparency act? mr. chairman? >> absolutely, congressman. thank you for your leadership. >> yes, i agree whole heart lid with the bill. >> yes and yes, i think it codify goods government and is a step in the right direction. >> yes. for placed on or month meeting agenda. >> commissioner o'rielly, you're -- there's so much choice today in terms of children's programming. whether it's on a tablet, an apple tv very roku or broadcast tvs service you argue the government may not -- to be clear i support families and children having access to good, educational programming but i watch tv enough argue that competition and consumer choice have he never been greater for all audiences. if you don't mind, briefly

summarize you're assessment of the video marketplace and choices available to consumers. >> thank you. will say i take only issue with your idea of roleback. we're trying to provide greater flexibility on the kid individual issue. the market place exchanged incredibly since the children's television act was enknacked and 1996 when the rules by the fcc were nut place and 2004 when they were modified. the world has changed and we have a mush broader marketplace. not just the three broadcast channel on saturday morning, it is a plethora of cable options and a ton of options for those of the tom. there's been concern what happen to a family it doesn't have that except broadcast television and be tried to address that and will take comments, giving the opportunity and flexibility to move that signal to a multicast

channel so programming will be available to those over the every. it's greaters flexibility without harming children. >> thank you. also as a co-chair of the bipartisan rule caucus, we worked diligently to close at the digital divides between urban and rule and the broadcast access is vital for employees, educators and students, doctors and patients and ag. broadcast access allows people to participate in additional economies and provides convenience and also bowl at thing the national economy. i'm proud my provisions including the rule spectrum accessible ability were includes in thing a and signed into law in march and also proud my fellow caucus co-chairs and i asked for and received robust resources for rural broadband restruck to the tune of 600 million in new ."

this broadband and telecom works -- so commissioner o'o'rielly, we all want to bridge the digital divide but i share your concern about the funding between agencies and make shire we're not being redundant with resources by pouring money into the same area from different agencies. do you have any idea how the agencies can better coordinate and present the government from subsidizing the overbuilding of areas. >> die and would love to write tactical device. i appreciate the effort, commendable effort in terms of hiding a program. very beneficial. we want to get the exactly what you highlighted does not duplication make sure the speed does not become a mechanism to overskilled there's ways to draft that. it has not been adopted.

i think the opportunity to correct that going forward. >> i just in the last 30 second will make point versus ask a question. on the issue of stingrays or mzs, there's been a lot of ink but the fact that these devices have been located around sensitive areas. we mae have requested how to deal with is issue. i want to make the point that whether it's fcc or other agencies, really encourage everybody to work together to figure out how to address this situation bus i think it's a concern from a imagine security perspective and something that tooth -- ought to be addressed. thank you and yield back my time >> gentleman yields back and no temperature their members and thank you all very much. before we conclude, i ask unanimous consent to enter the following documents into the record: a letter from the credit union national association, a letter from the

utilities technology council, a letter to the fcc on 9-1-1 fee die version, u.s. telecom blog best, a letter from anthem and its affiliated health plans, a gao report on liveline, without information, so ordered, and mr. doyle. >> thank you, madam chair, like to make nance consent to add to the record the letter from wireless isps to the fcc regard the cbrs manage, chairman pai's tweet and articles from -- regarding the letter and tweet made part of the report, the throated the fcc regarding copper retirement and letter from senator widen to fcc regarding security. >> without objection so ordered. pursuant to committee ruled members are reminded they have ten business days in which to submit additional questions, and we remind you that you have ten

business days in which to respond. seeing no further business to come before the committee, the committee is adjourned. nod discussion [inaudible discussion] conversation] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]

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