ohio in hillbilly el gelling and then a recount of a serial killer at the 1893 world fair in "devil in the white city." after that new yorker staff writer david grand writes on murdered that targeted members of the osage indian nation and wrapping up the look at the audio beaked from audibles nonfix bess seller list is "west cork" about an unsolved murder in irelands. some over the odder have appeared on booktv. you can watch them on the web site, booktv.org. [inaudible conversations] >> good evening and thank you for coming. my name is mark bodanza and i'm the author of the book lou

d'allesandro. a under be here this evening and i would start by saying the obvious elements of lou's story are fast fascinating but there's much more. he is clearly bound to this cork and presidential politics that's the new hampshire primary and back in 2003, the national media finally figured this out with a story writtenly mark leibovich of the "washington post" and as they say after that, sore of all hell broke loose. every four years in the presidential cycle, story of lou's coveted endorsement in the first primary in our nation is cycled all over the world. lou is most of you or some may know is the longest serving member of -- or? new hampshire in the state senate. he was a long almost four decade

history in new hampshire politics, and a fascinating history to say the least. and each year when that presidential cycle rolls around, in the news trucks pull into town, and the candidates line up and doors get knocked on and restaurants get visited and diners get visited, lou is in the middle of all of it and with good reason. in winning that new hampshire primary is very important, i think lou will tell you when gets up here that there they're already calling, 2020 is already looming and it's going to be quite an election season as things progress. but this more to the story and the rest of the story is really a varied, fascinating career,ing about the athletics as a participant himself, as a coach, as a consultant, the teams internationally, as an educator, the president of a college. he's really as a business person

an all-around type of guy or let recall renaissance man before the term was start -- became one in vogue. i had the great pleasure of meeting him through the work did for other biographs of two boston celtic legends. joe joe white and sham joes, lou was acquitted with a number of boston celtics, sack sanders and a great or of being his friend. what i learned about him beyond the obvious as i've researched this book as i've interviewed him and others, is that this is the sort of man who is the epitomy of relationship politics. it's about looking somebody in eye and shaking their hand and

making a true bond or connection, and you obviously can't become president of the united states by shaking everybody's hand in the electorate but what you can do is when you're a genuine about it and look somebody in the eye and reach across and you listen to their concern, and your eye meets their eye and they know that they're being met by a genuine person, your heart develops that kind of caring over and over through this political process and that's what happened with lou through the 40 years. he has become that person that not only people can crust but that he himself has been sort of changed by the process. i first time i speaker viewed him i won't forget because we were sitting at his kitchen table and there were phone calls and there were messages and there were people knocking on the door. the work really doesn't ever end. he was as attentive as he could be to each and every constituent

that called or visited and got a really clear indoctrination to lou d'allesandro pretty quickly. looked at his refrigerator refrigerator and being adorned of photographs of a number of national politicians who came calling. it's just an amazing connection to the national stage. one thing that really as an attorney that really impacted me was we can all remember back to the election of 2000 and what was in essence after a constitutional crisis in the nation, and when gore versus bush was finally decided in december of that year, within weeks of that, lou had a sitdown david suiter who wrote an interesting dissenting opinion, and al gore and tipper gore themselves, only a short time after that, and to think about this man from new hampshire being in that place in that intersection and national

politics, is quite an amazing thing. is a said really the stu of lou d'allesandro is his development as a young boy and carrying forward the ideals of a mother who cared about the pipe around her, who left us far too young, and sort of -- i know one of the most emotional things we talk but in the research of the book was him reflecting back on what she would think after all these years of what he has accomplished in his life. so, without any further adieu, and i would like to introduce my dear friend, in the subject of the book, lou d'allesandro. [applause] >> thank you, mark. it's always tough to live up to introductions but let me tell you the course of one's life, there are a couple of things you want to do. either can one, own a

restaurant, or you want to write a book. i knew how bad it was to own a restaurant. having been involved with a lot of people who owned restaurants. but i thought about writing a book for a long, long period of time, long period of time. so it all started in this fashion. sam jones called my office and sonya, my secretary, didn't know who sam jones was, who is sam jones calling you? well, i said, sam played for the celtics and we were good friends, and he wanted to tell me that he had written a book and was going to have a book signing at the boston garden so i called satch, heat go to the game because sam jones has a book and we can see him and talk about it. sam and i had gone to brazil together. the alliance for progress, as we

had done clinics in brazil emwe go to the game and mark is with sam, and we start talking, and i say, you know, mark, i was thinking of writing a book. and you need someone to work with you to help you. so, what do you think? and i called a couple of friends of mine who knew mark, one is a guy named frank novak and frank was a professional football coach for the oilers and the green bay packers and was head coach at northern minnesota michigan -- northern michigan university and he fixed up game in other words basketball team in the midwest. so frank knew mark because they're both from massachusetts and had high praise for mark, and i side, mark, i'd like to write a book. would you help?

would you be the person who puts this stuff down on paper and makes sense of assassinate that's how it all started. and we would immediate at the dunkin' donuts restaurant -- can you believe that -- in -- and met saturday morning or sunday morning at 9:00, and we would talk and we would talk through a chapter. and mark would write it up, send it to us, and pat and i would go over it. and send it back and that was the beginning. that was the beginning. so, for about two years re we'd be either friday or saturday morning, and it was an elderly laid you who sat in the corner and she probable lid, what the her these guys doing here at the dunkin' donuts every saturday morning. and so i finally told her, we're writing a book. she believed it.

so, it kind of went on and on and on. we finally got it done, and the initial part of the book is, as you'll see when you read it, talked about my early life and how things went on and how athletics played a significant role in my life. a real aggression outlet, the chance to do things physically that it liked to do, and i had brothers who were very much involved in athletics. an older brother who is just an outstanding player, and my younger brother was a great player, and my other younger brother. so athletics provided a conduit really for us to move forward. as mark said we lost our mother when she was a very young woman, only 32 years old when she passed away, and the left four

boys, and how were those boys going to be taken care of? we went through a process in terms of writing this book of what happened to us as we moved along this path of life. it called for many changes. and different directions. that's why i say, athletics played sun a vital role. involved as a football player, basketball player, and a baseball player so our time was occupied because we didn't really have a great home life because it wasn't much going on there. so athletics played this significant role. and as we win on we got better. and willie, you'll understand that. a good coaches and we got better. we didn't have all of the magic they have today, the training and soing for and so on, but what we did have was just the desire to play, and that carried us a long way. and as i said my brother was --

my older brother was a tremendous athlete and he was a great inspiration to all of us. used to beats up to be honest with you. and whack us around a little bit, and i think he in other words what it was all about. so, the athletics carries me through high school and i get some awards as a senior in high school. i'd become an old new england player and i get office -- offers to go to college. here's the motor e most honorable -- the greatest thing since sliced bread. jimmy, welcome. we are blessed with the mayor of bethune. a lot of celebrities here. next thing i'll have is a police raid. so, anyway, i get a scholarship

to college, and a game john, who is a wonderful man, the coach of the new york football giants, when they played the magic game against the baltimore colts. that extra time game that made professional football. that television game created the nfl, brought it to whole new level and mr. della solo was the coach of the giants at the time. he thought enough of me to recommend me to several colleges and one of them was the university of colorado. so, they came, they flew me out, i visited the school and so on and they offered me an athletic scholarship, so i went to colorado. when i was there i played with some great players. played with boyd dollar, super star in the nfl for the green bay packers. john wooten, an outstanding player for the cleveland browns and an all-pro, the general

manager to the eagle and frank clark who played for the dallas cowboys, so i played with some wonderful players and they -- i think made me a better player as it usually happens. welcome, mayor, and most distinguished chairman of the board, danny o'neill. i if you don't say hello to danny o'neill you're in trouble because there's so many o'neills in town but welcome. i'm there, and get to play in what was then the big 8 conference and my great thrill out there was, i parked cars for the oklahoma-colorado game when the oklahoma people came in by helicopter, and they landed in the field, and it was like park my helicopter. how too you park a helicopter? they had the greatest -- one of

the greatest collegiate team, all all-americans and great players with distinguished professional careers. so, took my example at the end of the first semester, and said, it's a long way from home, don't get to see my brothers, so i decided to leave and then hung around for a while, and sort of languished, thinking about college and soing for and so on. my dad wasn't too happy, obviously. it was the situation where he -- nobody had to pay and somebody would have to pay for the second choice. so, i settled on the university of new hampshire. went to the university and i paid my own way. i worked -- in those days was working nights at benderly and park, leadout boy. we had ten races, lots and lots

ofs of people and i gott an extra hundred buck biz being the person would waved the dogs in for the race. worked days for my father at the plumbing and heating business and worked at night to the -- got my first big job of unh washing dishes in he commons. so i got 60 cents an hour, and the head of the workers at the time was one of the cashiers from dover, and mr. cash was a subway notre dame alumni. used to have that little book with all the alumnus from notre dame. so at 60-cent an hour he said i made more money in one book than anybody ever made which was kind of interesting. how many hours did i pud? but the great part of that was

met the beautiful talented patricia at the time. and she would come through the line and i would serve. how about that. i was the server. i took care of her. and i -- another great learning experience there, and my wife will remember this. i don't know if we put this in the book but one gay came in one day from manchester, right, pat? he made a comment about one of the ladies behind the line. so i got kind of infuriated and ajumped over the counter and i went after the guy, and i was going to kill him -- not really -- but i was really so mad because he insulted this woman about her size. and my mother was a big lady, so

that was a sensitive point. so after that, all the kitchen people loved me. i was going to be the protector of everybody who worked in the commons. so, that lasted for a semesters and i was living in magnificent quarters on campus called east-west hall. east-west hall was built in world war i, and they were wooden barracks. it cost you $150 a semester for a room. and my board was 155 but i made it back because of the money i made. so it was pretty good situation. and i started practicing with the football team and i did pretty well, though they then allowed me to eat at the training table so i could give up my job at commonalitieses because i didn't have to macthe money because my meals

were taken care of. so, just going on about my career there. i had a great career at unh. i loved every minute of it. pat and i started going out when we were freshman and that was it, get married when i was a senior, and things have been pretty good ever since. who knew where your career was going if thought two things. i thought i would be a marine after graduation. i had a very serious knee injury and happened in my senior year, actually i was playing lacrosse and my brother, paul, crippled me to be honest with you and that's the god's honest truth. how many unners are here, we walked into dave long's history class, did you have him -- the american story. she's too young, she's a baby. she's a baby. so, we walked into dave long's american story and he says oh,

yeah here, comes one of the brothers of the cane and abel story. oh, boy. so got around that my brother crippled me, and that leg injury really required some surgery at the end of my senior year so rather than going into the marine constituent had spent time in the corps when i was a sophomore, i was put in a reserve unit here in manchester and was in there until they let in the go in the late 1960s and i was teachinged a bradley, and the recents came to the door and they said to brother adrian, the principal, we want d'allesandro now. and adrian says, there's no substitute. we don't have anybody -- any substituted. wore a catholic school. so they allowed know stay teaching until the school year

ended and then brought me to camp lejeune and i went through advanced combat training. my life carries on, education becomes good. coaching is great. i had great players. bradley and then this job at new hampshire college, coaching basketball. and they had a mimer -- minor league basketball team that didn't win a game they hired me to -- it was turn around danny, a big turn-around. so my first year coaching we ended ini think 12-12 or 14-14 ahead. a great bunch of rag tag guys. no scholarships. we were a new hampshire college of accounting and commerce, at 88 hanover street on the second floor, and, hey, that's all she wrote. the only significant memories chety's doughnuts because chety's doughnuts was career the

street and the kid's cross and stop all the traffic and the police chief, who was down the street in the old station, had to come out on front of the station and started running the crosswalk, and traffic to get the kids coming and going so that was chety's doughnuts and that's how we got famous there i was there for quite a period of time, and i taught western civilization and coached basketball, became athletic director and we start an athletic program. that's pretty successful today because southern new hampshire university is a big, big deal. i had a really critical decision to make after i was there for -- well, about 14 years, when a college in the southern part of the state was looking for a chief executive officer. and i was asked to join the

executive team there. what i didn't know was that they had done a study that said the place should go bankrupt. nobody told me that. so i take the job, and the first thing find out is we don't have any money. that was interesting. so we didn't have any money, didn't have any students so we had to get students and money, and common -- donny mcdonald, played on my basketball team, and a big accountanting firm and donny comes down and he had done the accounting and we were doing accounting on an accrual basis at that time. so you know what that meant, land, build examination -- buildings and are were oft the next he said we have a lot of money but no cashment but we had property that had value. so donny would work a sheet for me and the sheet would say, 30,

60, 90, 120 days. that's how we paid our bills. who did we have to pay in 30, who would wait 6, who would wait 90 and who could we hold to 120? so got a great bunch of people to work with me and we turned the place around. we turned it from a negative to the point in four years we had positive. and four-year-old had a 2 million decide surplus and what we dids we brought 50-acres of the best land in -- we used that as our endowment. so foolishly, as my daughter would say, you left that job where you were making more money than i ever made before, and i decided to run for governor. that's in the book that you'll hear about that. the second run for governor was really the critical one. i lost by 2,000 votes, and i say the good thing is i lost because the best thing was, by losing my

wife didn't divorce me. because truly, it would have caused consternation in the d'allesandro house. so, while all of this was happening i became involved in politics and in our book we tell the story modify meeting john kennedy. and i think it was a moment in time i'll never forget. i was a junior at the university, john kennedy came, the story -- you can read the story how i met john kennedy but made a lasting impression on me, and i've got the picture of him speaking at unh. it's in my office. so i started politics. run for the house of representatives. do okay at the house of representatives. i win. at the same time, i then run nor constitutional convention and i win, and at the same time run for executive council, so i had a little streak going. in '74 i won -- a member of the house and

won the constitutional convention, and i won the executive council so on the executive council for a poured of time and then decided to run for governor, and i've just giving you the it ration about governor. -- iteration. >> my life hate real down swing. i was out of politics for a while, and came back to be a member of the local score board -- local school board and i suffered through. this. i have tell you, mayor, nothing you do life is harder than the school board. nothing in life. it was really, really something and at that time the mayor really didn't like me so he came and he was the chairman of the board and came to meetings. never done i before i was there but once i get there the came to meeting. thought i would revolutionize the school.

anyway, my life goes on, i finally dish think get a -- guy back to the house, the senate seat opens and inhad some losses in between, senate seat opens up and i win the senate. been in the senate nor last 20 years. my experience in politics, presidential politics, begins with gerald ford who i really liked, really good guy and a football player at michigan and he played without a helmet. i can't believe that. but a really, really, real good guy and i got a taste of presidential politics and that's continued for the last 20-plus years. so, here we are. we put this book together. mark dead a great job. couldn't -- mark did a great job, couldn't have down it without him and without pat, reading it and re-x-rayed trying to create something that was meaningful and had meaning, and

was an experience that i hope people enjoy reading. life's pretty short, and indeed the thing you want to leave is a legacy that is meaningful and you have done something positive. so, at this point in time i'm working on that legacy, and hopefully we'll make it. going to -- i kind of like to finish up, we have the book done, we read it, rereadded and reread it and wonderful lady came up with the title. and the picture. wont through a lot of pictures and found some that were good' lad to get everybody to sign off, whose picture was in the book and whose name -- so, signing off so i had to find dave cowens and he had to sign off an tot and lad to find this one and that one. had to find everybody and they all had so sign affidavits so

they wouldn't sue me. right? if i did something wrong. so we finally got that down, get to book done, and then here it is. so, that's kind of the life and time of lou d'allesandro relating at to the book. as i say in the book, the greatest sorrow of my life is truly this, that my mother never got to see any of her boys do anything. ...

>> that would be -- without tha.

let's put it that way. james is a distinguished politician, great politician and state police officer. stop mentioning names because he get in trouble. joyce is a magnificent job and continues to do that job as we move forward. danny is the chairman of the board. , billy who played for me at the high school. ellen, who can never forget her. talk about a fixture in this community. that was the greatest thing since sliced bread. russell used to play basketball with walter peterson. all of you have a place.

craig, we can never forget you. when we were first married, one of our first adventures with louis, they were going out for dinner. to remember that? that was like 100 years ago. she is well preserved. i am getting old. so i think all of you. willy, marissa and pat it is wonderful to see you. each one of you has a place it in our heart. iv who is a great guy and works hard for everyone. a great friend of mine. just a great association. a very please that existed.

so many of you have played a role in my life. thank you so much for coming. i will try to address questions you may have and thank you for coming. i think the library people and i think c-span. how can you beat this? thank you everybody. [applause] >> somebody must have a question. [inaudible question] >> discovering our homes were exactly 30 minutes apart and

dunkin' donuts was a real timesaver. that was great. we cannot emphasize how important. the coffee shop was well located. i knew the essentials. one of the first things they gave me was an article written by the atlantic and it was really about relationship politics. mike followed him around manchester and watched him be lou del. he gave me a real insight into who he was. of course i knew a little about his position in respect to politics in new hampshire.

what he taught me, i have been blessed. i have the ability to write jojo white's biography, sam jones' biography, amazing people. in all of them brought forth the importance of giving back, bout what it's about. were true contentment and value comes from. when we put the title of the book together it wasn't just to point out how important his endorsement is in that process that starts in 2019 and early 2020, they could learn from him. when national politicians develop this genuineness and as lou likes to call it trust and likability of the elements that make it work. when they can do that and emulate what he does they will connect with people. it really is that thing and how strongly he brings that to

politics, which with louis not a dirty word. it's a caring that he got from his mom. i believe i think that's the most amazing thing about getting to know my friend lou. >> anybody else? >> other any thoughts or stories? >> that's always a great question. sure. as you rethink this process, there are some really significant things that could maybe come in another book. you always look over things and if there's something you forgot. a particular incident at a particular time that you missed out on.

one of the things you know i got hurt in a football game. i dislocated my hip. i was on the ground with nobody around and they put me in the back of a pickup truck and took me to the emergency room. we set my hip. my brother was with me. i should have thought more about that because it was a very special situation. i think it emphasize the strength of the family in terms of us being close. in one area he kills me by knocking me out and then he goes with me to this hospital. when you're young and probably

in the ninth grade at the time and you're taken to a place, very strange place you just don't know what's going on and somebody is there. that was a very unique experience. i wish i spent more time talking about it. that is a very special situation a couple of presidential things that sometime in the future we will put down the particular incidents. one happened in the campaign with ronald reagan. stuart spencer was running the campaign. he is a noted political. all over the country. we were at a meeting and thought we were going to lose the primary.

and stuart pointed something out i will never forget. he said, they have the celebrity, ronald reagan but we have the president. it kinda indicates the power of the presidency. we ended up eating ronald reagan in that nomination. there is a real sense of politics in the power of the presidency. spencer knew that. he has been around a long time. they did have the candidate. reagan was a very popular, very engaging guy. everyone liked ronald reagan. but at that time we had the president. that's something that one of these days when i talk about political science kinda focuses on that.

[inaudible question] [inaudible question] [laughter] [inaudible question] always a great question. i must say, i was inflicted with the gambling bug when i was young. so i got the job and i really

enjoyed dog racing. it was a good job and we are teamsters so we were paid well. i really like the environment i didn't really like fix and oil burners to be honest with you. and i did not like crawling around sellers in the north end with rats coming after you to fix leaks and frozen pipes. i didn't like my father calling me and saying pull over 100 gallons of oil. i wanted to watch a football game into something else. so i really never got into the family business. but i did like wonderland and they are very good to me.

it wasn't much of a career. but i did enjoy it. i did get engaged with the girl in new hampshire at the time. so coming back to new hampshire was probably the right thing to do. it was right thing to do. [laughter] [applause] so, here i am. fifty-seven years later here we are. that's that. my brother really loves the business and he took over the business when my father gave it up he thoroughly enjoyed it. >> any other questions?

[inaudible question] >> that's another great question. george who was the dean left me totally out of the process. [laughter] so, i had no say in who my successor would be. but pj came well recommended. he went on to be a great mba coach he went to wagner and then seeing hall. actually, at the time i had just spent some time away from the athletic department and -- was taken it over. i really had no say in who was chosen. he chose a group to choose my successor. but pj was young and energetic

and had great new york connections. that's what we needed. we need to recruit some players. not that we are running out, not to flatter myself we had great players, but we had great teams. i think some of our teams would have beat some of those teams here. i had a team that average 101 points per game over a 30 game schedule. they had some of the best athletes that ever attended the school. as you know, great coaches are made by great players. i had nothing to do with his selection, he was race successful. pj came back, so we came back, the four of us talked about coaching and what had transpired. my comment was that when i was coaching my wife washed the uniforms. we would bring them home after a game and they were going to our

washing machine should wash them, fold them, try them comments in the back. that does not exist today. and we play games around the city. we had to find places to play. in the last part of my career we did build a gym at the new college. a lot of things were different. i thought pj was a good choice. he provided linkage and tom followed him and continued that and brought in some outstanding players. >> what did you learn from the friendship? >> walter peterson was probably one of the greatest men i ever knew. what did i learn? i learned i should keep my mouth shut and listen. don't speak up too quickly.

that is number one. the next thing i learned is that there's something you should do in life and that surround yourself with better people. walter always did that. he found the best people who could do the job. regardless of what others say, walter was smart enough to know, he didn't know everything you got the people around you who are better at what they were doing and they helped him. i said walter peterson made the most significant decision and tax policy in the state. he convened sanders and had a group to look at tax policy and change the stock tax which allowed new hampshire to stay away from an income tax and sales tax and be successful on the revenue side.

as lewis said at walter's funeral, walter peterson was the only guy who could say to you, go to hell and you are anticipating the trip. [laughter] now, that is something. that's really something. he was truly a great human being. he had all of the things that make great politicians. he was very likable. he was very trustworthy. if he gave you his word he would deliver. that impacted my life. to be honest with you. the ten years i spent with walter peterson were among the best of my academic life. and that was because of the situation. there were times when i wanted

to change walter would say relax and have patients will be able to do it but it'll come along at a certain time and place. but he is one-of-a-kind. no question. one-of-a-kind. >> another great question because of the fact that he had the best message i endorsed edwards. the dividing line between the

two americas was growing over time. i got very close with elizabeth edwards. what turned out was a disgrace. i thought the greatest tragedy of all was what happened to his wife. we worked hard to get him the vice president worked hard to get him on the ticket. i became very close with elizabeth. i took two weeks before elizabeth died i spoke with her on the phone. i said to her, i don't how you do it. this guy has caused great consternation and why do you stay with them and she said because he's the father my children and i'm going to die

and someone needs to take care of my children. the two young ones are pretty young. obviously hindsight is 2020. had i known that about him. evidently he was like that long before this woman. that was really heartbreaking for me. i thought he could make the country better. i really believe that. no one has articulated a political message with more intensity than john edwards did. when he would get up and speak, he would tell you about the two americas and we know that they exist today. they are even more pronounced today than they were at the time. he had a great message. to think that it was all phony and he was not living it bother me. i wish i could have taken it back to be honest with you. i talked to a lot of people and traveled all over the country for him and worked for him.

he was not the real deal. that is where you make comparisons between a guy like walter peterson who is the real deal. our relationship -- look at the things you do for your community and for those who have needs. that's the real deal, isn't it? running a fundraiser for the food pantry, that's what it's about. i can't ever see john edwards doing that. turned out he was not a good guy. my mistake. i should have recognize that, but sometimes you are blinded by the fact that you care so much about the message.

>> there's an interesting article and some people over the years would criticize blue for taking so long for making the decision to endorse the president. some people are saying he likes the attention that all the candidates give him. but there is responsibility and he takes the responsibility seriously. because that win in new hampshire so important. other questions? >> you have helped a lot of people. all the kids you coached cared because you cared. >> thank you. [applause] >> thank you. >> we were at a funeral just a

couple of days ago i think one of the things you expect your players to live longer than you and it's tragic when they passed before you. we lost powers and jimmy, who is another great player. you remember, he was a halfback, he was really good and his older brother played. but to lose players like that it's very disheartening. but making sure the players got the best when you are coaching them was the most important thing for me. i tried to do what i could for them. some people like that and some people didn't. but, i work them hard.

i'll tell you that. making sure they got what they needed and the friendship turned into lifelong relationships. like billy who is with me now. he's helping us campaign after campaign. bobby is with us campaign after campaign. and -- who had in school and arnie they know all of these guys. i think that's what life is about. and i appreciate your comments.

>> i think the library and we appreciate being able to use the building. i thank you for coming. i hope you read the book and like the book. we just keep going. >> we enjoyed the story for sure. [applause] >> thank you. [applause] >> thank you everybody. [inaudible conversation] [inaudible conversation]

>> book to be recently visited capitol hill test members of commerce what they are reading the summer. >> i'm reading, for the second time david graham spoke, killers of a flower moon. i do not usually read books that are on the bestseller list. but, this is a great book about the sage indians in the second decade and beginning of the third decade in the 20th century. who are killers and murdered in order to get land they own to because it was giving up oil. and it happened at an interesting time in history. in the beginning of the 1920s, we had the famous t scandal

where secretary was giving off of public lands to private developers at the naval oil reserves in wyoming. this was opening up and there is definitely corruption. in this book, david points out clearly that in this instance with the tribe in oklahoma there was conspiracy. i what one of my favorite writers set about conspiracy, he wrote this. a conspiracy is everything that an ordinary life is not. it is the inside game. cold, sure, undistracted, forever closed off to us.

we are the innocents trying to make some rough sense of the daily jostle. conspirators have logic in it daring beyond our reach. all conspiracy has the same story of men who find coherence in some criminal act. i could not find a better definition of conspiracy anywhere. when we were doing slowly being prejudiced against the indians, but also was deserving of them. oil was discovered when if we have to use murder to do, will do it. so many of these tribes people were killed and murdered,

poison. doctors, lawyers all had to conspire. it was a chewed conspiracy. if i told you this story before the book came out you would say that was crazy. by the way, this gave way to the fbi. j edgar hoover fumbled with the conspiracy in the 20s. i was trying to make sense of it. the texas ranger came to help him, mr. tom white. there is a story of itself on how they pursued it persistently and how people were keeping quiet about it. this was a real conspiracy. against an indian tribe. this book is fantastic. david has done a fantastic job. the mystery of it, the

historical nature of it and it's true. >> book to be wants to know what you are reading, send us your summer reading list. book tv on c-span2, television for serious readers. [inaudible conversation] >> good evening. welcome. i am jonathan, the manager politics and prose. thank you for coming out tonight on a nice night here. the weather is good in your inside. thank you if you could kindly turn off your cell phones or at least silence them for the time and if you wanted