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>> remember me? right there. >> how is your hand doing? >> it's okay. that is me and sean penn in the document repair. >> that is -- what do you mean? you don't know the name of the show. >> my power is not legit. >> no. >> i am -- black. >> you choose to believe this man is who we really are in america. and what we can and ought to be. >> everybody. white, black, hispanic, asian, african-american. >> would you have your grandchildren bathe daily in that water coming out of those pipes now? >> yeah. >> you would? >> yes, because again -- >> cracker. >> huh? >> what do you mean.

>> do you want a cracker? >> nine dollars an hour. i don't know. >> you make this look like hell. children, animals and morons can get hurt playing these things. these are just a little bit nicer, fox2 news. >> what's up? [applause] >> is it on? no? it is not on? library cuts. no, it is not on.

[laughter] >> hi bob! love you, man. that is bob. [applause] this is bob, matt, i do not know if matt is here. and me. this is our white album. it is. this is our record. and it does rock. it is cool. but it's serious. you know i hope -- real soon. i want to thank c-span for coming. that is real cool. detroit, look at the camera. everybody turn around and stand up. turn around, stand up. everybody. tell them we count!

-- we read books too! detroit public library. they are in bankruptcy, when they had the art museum that cut the budget here. art is cool, i love it. the way we got the art, was, our collectors in europe, predominantly jewish, sold it to get out to save their families. their children, basically. so i don't really hold onto things more powerful than a beautiful piece of art is literacy, books. writings, the most democratic art of them all. not all born to chisel or paint or play. but just about everybody on planet earth, just about everybody is taught in some way, shape or form to take a pencil to a piece of paper and put your thoughts down.

support your public library and support literacy. i want to thank my mom. i love you more than you know. my wife. i want to thank barry -- a big, balding guy that had taken on the power and thievery in this town that we are all victims of, i guess. barry, respect to you. i want to thank -- and grace. i work for them, beautiful people. thank you for helping me take care of my family. and what about kelly? there he goes. i got one of these in dc. you know what happened to me in d.c.? they are smart people they like bookstores.

they go to the bookstore. and i said i didn't vote for donald trump or clinton. and someone says -- that is the way it works. i get to pick. it is nobody's fault. and yet again, it is everybody's fault. i want to thank -- because i don't think the thoughts of this book would have coalesced. i don't think i would have been able to see and understand what we were living through until she put it all into perspective. i will read that to you tonight. what this is, is a trip across america over three years starting in roger ailes office. the man who invented fox news. the border of texas, ferguson, campaign trail with donald trump. what is many feuds-- arizona, t

ranch, north dakota. how does ferguson equal the bundy ranch in nevada? at some point, we found that at some level, people are angry at government. whether you're angry at washington or you're angry about flint or you're angry about why people are getting blessed in the streets in front of greektown. why you pay and you pay and you pay and you find your life, your lifestyle, things are slipping away. that is what we found. if you feel that way you're not alone. you are the majority. you are allowed to feel how you feel but do not lose each other. we are not each other's enemy. it is, there is something called personal responsibility. do not point guns against each other. do not steal, but we can get along just fine. i would like to quote - justice

hugo black. in a landmark decision, new york times worst the united states of america. it turns out, all the way from truman to nixon, they were lying. 35,000 men lost their lives to perpetuate the lie. so i printed the pentagon papers, a very much danger to themselves. the supreme court said they are allowed to. black said, the press serves the government. not the governors. and that is where we are living these days. i think. the media shrinking. advertising monies consolidating. and it pushes around. you're going to push me around, i will walk right the á out the door. i will figure out another way so thank you for coming. out the other side of the door. tonight, my people. thank you. [applause]

in between all these places we go there are little essays in between the chapters. sort of stick them together i will read a few. okay? i will not redo the stories. about bob's love for firewater and firearms. we will be very careful about that. it can start a riot. and he will walk it right into one. we came out of the deep south. when they are not voting for you and me. a man in the deep south hoarding squirrel in a deep freezer. jesus h christ. people are going hungry a man had to do what he had to do to eat. it was not only the south, it was no different in the north than my hometown. a man fishing from a peer to the lake. then the second, then one third, lake still come in threes. he knows that much about

anatomy. random bits of dead people bobbing along the banks of the detroit river. white people bits. there is a sheep filling in the currently the sale of a schooner. also a suitcase and a skill sought visible below the waterline. the fisherman calls the police. the t.v. guide arrives. i know you, the english out! t reporters are the closest thing to celebrities in flyover country. selfies are taken, good tidings are exchanged at low tide. that is when you know you made it in the shed show. bobbing bits in the background. homicide eventually arrive. some black minister fishing from the peer. these are the unrehearsed moments pretty natural attraction between white cop and black bystander. them versus us. the hungry masses versus the man. this unscripted reality never makes the news.

too complicated, too real. what the -- are you doing shot the detective? this is a crime scene. one fisherman nods towards a bucket of fish. they're hitting right now what you expect me to do? [laughter] >> okay. calm down, it's not the end of the world. oh my god, trump, i just did -- media. that is all they are doing. all of the stuff going on. it is not about any of this. you know, like all of the jobs we have, but not really good jobs. you cannot really send your kid to the college making motel beds. more than people at than ever are living in apartments. the real estate is going up again. wait a minute.

i remember 2008. this isn't as bad as 2008. remember? was it that long ago? okay. okay, so -- a little perspective. the cities were coming unglued while the political leadership dandy about, eating barbecue and in swing states like iowa. the american urban core might as well have been on the other or on another continent for all the presidential candidates were talking about it. yet, reports of police brutality on unarmed young black men continue to fill the airwaves. it started to make me wonder. was this a predictable moment in the violent and absurd cycle that repeats itself every 50 years or so in american life? or was this an exaggerated, discontent fueled by the continuous loop of heinous, 10 second clips over and over on cable news. one thing for sure, the sum of

2015, would be a long and violent one. but nothing like the hot, bloody summer of 1968. then, more than 100 cities burned in the wake of the assassination of doctor martin luther king. at the same time. king died at the hands of a white supremacist among the worst of the riots were in baltimore in chicago.which we visit. murder was on the rise but so too was in 1968. chicago set a record there surpassing 600 homicides for the first time in its history. on the political front, senator robert f kennedy was assassinated by a nationalist after winning the california democratic primary. the democratic national convention was held in chicago and ended in a riot between police and antiwar protesters.

george wallace, the segregationist governor of alabama won 46 electoral votes. in the end, the country elected richard milhouse nixon and you know how that worked out. at the same time, the membership of the black panther party was awaiting trial for separate incidents of ambushing and assassinating california police officers. the weatherman, and homegrown leftist terrorist group of a bomber was convened in the first meeting in ann arbor, michigan. college campuses across the nation were being seized by student protesters. riots broke out at columbia university in new york. the existential threat of isis, forget about it. the bloodiest week of the vietnam war for an serviceman came in february 1968 as the vietcong launched the offensive. then consider 50 years earlier. in the summer of 1919.

more than three dozen cities burned in the great race riot that consumed the nation. again, it happened in baltimore, and most spectacularly, in chicago. over the course of a week during what came to be known as the red summer, 38 people, 23 blocks and 15 whites were killed in chicago and the homes ofa thousand families burned at the hands of those black-and-white mobs . people were pulled from trolley cars and executed. violence was called in the windy city only after the state militia was called out. in the aftermath, the city of some of the integrated commission on race relations to study the causes of the riot. its findings?the negro in chicago a study of race relations and race riot were published in 1922 but could have just as easily been published today. quote the traditional ostracism

exploitation and petty daily insults to which they are continually exposed have doubtless provoked even in normal minded negroes, a pathological attitude toward society.a report read in part a desire for social revenge may well be expected to result from the facetious and insulting matter in which negroes are often treated by officers of the law. the current time in american cities was tumultuous. no doubt. people were angry. the resentment amplified by social media. where crowds could be called to action in a matter of minutes. people were now armed to the teeth having legally stocked weaponry. shootings were almost a monthly happening. that much was different. but where were we really? as a society? the end of days? or somewhere just below sea level? one thing was certain, t.v.

was not offering much perspective. we were busy yodeling out of our -- a 24 hour course of this sky is falling. you want to hear the white side of it now? do you want to hear it? this is, i am just giving you the philosophy that we managed to scrape up. i want to give it to you. so then we don't need no applause after that. i kind of like it. let me think about it. or this guy is a -- one of the other. [laughter] hello, washington. okay. you guys remember oregon, right? the bird century takeover? cliven bundy son decided they will start the range war and the federal government is walking all over our rights and we are taking this bird sanctuary back even though we are from arizona.

you know, it is like 50 below in oregon and these guys are like, suburban phoenix people and they want to return it to its rightful owners, which is you. or it depends on who you ask. but nobody did ask. it would have helped them move. -- was one of the sidekicks could ended up taking a bullet when they tried to break through the fbi barricade. he got out of the car. you are going to have to kill me -- to which the authorities obliged. and he came literally asked for it and he received it. his death at the hands of law enforcement got a spattering of white lives matter chatter from others but little more. if you go to a police roadblock with a ruger in your pocket is not going to work out well. he was an exotic white man. an electronic fight exception. an extreme whose death is

orchestrated by himself, in concert with his courtship of the camera. but what of the others who get no media attention? those who die in the culverts and alleyways under suspicious circumstances without an army of professional gawkers looking on? since the michael brown shooting in ferguson, the "washington post" had taken it upon itself to track down and tabulate every death by cop in the united states and the details surrounding the incidents. few in the media knew before then that law enforcement agencies are not required to report incidents of deadly force to the fbi. like all crime statistics in general, the reporting is voluntary and predictably, willfully, under calculated. they show the deadly force by police to be 250 percent higher than historically reported. think about that. another finding may surprise you. in 2015 and 2016 about twice as many white people died at the hands of police officers as

black people. many of these cases, like the one of the suspected drunk driver in tennessee who was shot multiple times through his rear window by a cop jumped into his pickup bed, there was graphic video that should call to question the need for deadly force. so where is the media? to be clear, to be clear! any standard or measurement, blacks tend to get the -- end of the stick in america. it should not surprise anyone that they are 2 and a half times more likely to die at the hands of police. but why on white death? what was suspect the statistics would reveal the overwhelming majority of whites die at the hands of police come from the shabbier side of the tracks. the poor white boy. the rough one with bad teeth and poor grammar. the rowdy one who misbehaves and fights at the bars on saturday night. the kind you might smoke meth

is underemployed, maybe a veteran or ex-con, product of a desperate lower class. this man has few friends in the media world because the media world is populated by upper-class white people. decidedly liberal who had their cocktail tables discuss white privilege. the media know about white privilege because they are the embodiment of it. at least they were. in their minds, they have convinced themselves that they have overcome this self paradox. through education, intellectual magazine articles, world travel and psychotherapy. the white elite liberal feels they are no longer privileged. they are self-aware. world savvy, self-made, down with the program, they are woke. [laughter] in the hierarchy of american life, blacks are on the bottom and whites on the top. and so the white media is down for the black man. which is a fine thing but it only comes around when there is a catastrophe.

like katrina or flint or pay police shooting. but again, what about the poor white man? the liberal white elite who have been raised with advantage but believe they have scrubbed themselves clean of it still tag the poor whites as the privileged ones. but how could they know? how could they know? they spent no time in his living room in the corner bar, the pistol range. to them, he is a louse and a bore a racist and to dig any deeper is simply an exercise in inconvenience. and they seem to think he resides only in appalachia although he lives right under their noses in boston to bakersfield. so when these white men die at the hands of law enforcement, it is universally agreed upon by liberal white media types that they must have deserved it. after all, the black man is a target simply by virtue of his skin color. what possible defense could a white man muster? police do not kill white people with all of their privilege. unless they had it coming.

the elite black media hops on board or rather, turned their heads away as they too, have little contact with the white lower class. their interests lie more in maintaining their credibility within the struggling black community. which they no longer belong if they ever did. studies show what you should already know. regardless of race, people are more violent, the poor they are. the more violent and poor they are, the more contact they are likely to have with the cops. there is a class issue in america. the media seems determined to see only an stereotype and skin tone. [applause] are you bored? [laughter] are you hot? do i look hot?

[laughter] i have a working out a little bit. you know. nothing much to do. okay, how about tomorrow and i will leave it at that? we can do q&a.or we can stop. okay. this one is about the media. they are not here. you know where they are? they are partying with the party! you know hanging out with the business elite, politicians and lobbyists. what did hugo black say? you serve the governed, not the governors. so don't come back lying to me like he found something out at the cocktail table. -- come back home media, come back home. we need you. and through it all, that was really nice, wasn't it? [laughter] god, i miss doing tv. that is it was fun.

we did it man, that was fun. t.v. doesn't actually suck! i've been watching it. i don't watch a lot of tv. now i know why nobody does. [laughter] through it all, the public trust and everything fell to an all-time low. now we are getting into the campaign season. you will like this book. i think you will like it. fell to all-time lows. donald trump and hillary clinton became the least popular characters to seek the presidency in modern history. let's all chip in for an air conditioner in this place. [laughter] help us, washington! i think we invented frozen peas in detroit. we don't got no air conditioning. think about that. and you cannot buy a cadillac in detroit. right? in the town that was founded by

cadillac. remarkable. donald trump and hillary clinton became the least popular characters to seek the presidency in modern history. as for congress, one imaginative polling firm found that brussels sprouts had lice, cockroaches, colonoscopy and gonorrhea were more popular than our representative. apparently the american people decided when you see a proctologist it is better. and for the mainstream media, the public trust fell to its lowest level in recorded history. maybe it was donald trump repeatedly calling them out is dishonest. maybe it was the hyper- partisan posture they adopted in the face of an ever fading audience. whatever the reason, with no one to blame but ourselves. the hillary email leaks during the general election runoff confirmed for people what they had long suspected. when it comes to politicians and the press, it is a charming

little dinner party in washington d.c.. the public went to the reporters and ready to drink, dine and have a conversation at the residence of one of clinton's campaign representatives. none of them ever bothered to inform the public of what they heard. journalists sent unsolicited talking points. they offered encouragement and pride divided questions in advance of the debate. they traded the appearance of independence for access and the occasional inconsequential. on the other side, conservative t.v. were devising donald trump on his run. so far to say he wasn't a journalist at all but a talkshow host. he did no fact checking. larry king, was he now the gold standard? this went on that the local level as well. a private birthday party for a government official, from which

cameras were barred, media personalities, nonetheless, shamefully posted online pictures of themselves hoisting glasses of booze to the official, all of it paid by the official subordinates. these personalities attended conventions and had bourbon with contractors, lobbyists and politicians. they were supposed to cover partially. the contractors, lobbyists and politicians knew this was good for them. why would anyone else drink with a reporter? the mass media had become gluttonous for fame. they order them with prizes of statuettes and reported these as important events to you, the ordinary citizen. every year they threw a big washington party for themselves. where they have tuxedos and gowns, walk the red carpet and introduced sources to comedians and stars that played

reporters. and then as if to repay the favor, real reporters showed up in fictitious movies and t.v. shows playing the real-life selves reporting fake stories. [laughter] and for politicals showed up on t.v. news programs passing themselves off as independent analysts. you will forgive the ordinary citizen for confusion. at least the cockroach knows it is always a cockroach. and one more. thank you. [applause] police. i respect them. the vast majority are good. there are bad ones and the police know it and it is difficult to weed them out. for what should be obvious reasons. it is hard to be a cop. you have to second guess yourself you're not going to be a cop. that is why you always hear

about the -- but imagine what it is to be a cop in this country right now. heavily armed. it is off the tracks. dope is everywhere. discontent. that is the only form of government that even answers you. they don't even know you. city hall doesn't call you. congressman don't call you back. think about that. they are not rich people. working people. i refuse to classify them universally as skunks. and i will tell you about one. right now, right here in the city. while i was in flint, september, two months before detroit police sergeant was shot and killed after trying to arrest a man who -- five days later he was dead from a blood clot making him the 40th police

officer in america 2016 to die in the line of duty. i was first introduced emma matilda special ops unit on the streets of detroit for a bankruptcy story about the city and its effect on police. let me say that if cops are truly the problem in urban america, i'm going to wait for you. think about it. if bad cops are truly the problem in urban america -- no way. hi, good to see you. then men like him or certainly the solution. he was a squad leader of an elite unit that hunted rapist, murders of children, criminally insane. his crew often found themselves in dark alleyways and abandoned houses. the only light yielded by shards of moonlight through shattered rooftops. in his 20 years on the job, style had never discharged his

firearm. and had no discipline or misconduct complaints of any kind in his file. okay? he died trying to catch a man who had tried to murder his own father. and was rampaging across the city with a shotgun. someone called the police. and sergeant style answered. no questions asked. and now he was dead. i called his men to offer condolences but stayed away from his widow. that is the proper thing for a news person to do.i learned a long time ago in the aftermath of 9/11 that a reporter knocking on the door of a grieving family was nothing more than emotional acetone. which will erode what little glue is left holding it together. i got a call from joann.

through one of her husbands colleagues. you wish to see me. there was something she wanted to tell the world. so matt and i pulled up and parked a few houses down from hers. a respectable distance so the family and friends might have a few moments to see us and adjust to our presence. the police department had a ceremonial car parked out front of her home. the hood was peeling, and oversized dartboard of rust located where the decal used to be. a joke! the mood in the house was somber. the two little boys taken to school bus. against the far wall was a saltwater fish tank he had built. joann said has shown no idea to care for it but she tried. matt readied the camera and she took a deep breath. i forgive the person who did this to him, she said. because i know in my heart, if

he knew what he took from us, he would not have done this. we need more love in this country right now. my heart ached as it had not been many years. a widow forgives her husbands murder. she then asked all of us to love one another. and yet, who showed her and her children love? at the funeral, stiles given a promotion to captain. it was good for the cameras. but it came with no increase in pension benefits for his wife and children. financially, he would still be a sergeant. and because of the cities bankruptcy, his family no longer, would no longer receive health coverage. through the power of progress predicted into the living rooms of lawmakers were that they granted her and her children health care benefits for five years. the oldest boy turned 10, he had to fend for himself.

most insulting was the matter of the funeral bill. despite the pomp and circumstance and the mayor in attendance status crime the tactics over the casket, the funeral would not be paid for by the city he died serving. but rather by the family he left behind. if there was a war of police in america, it felt like the snipers on every side. criminals, activists, double talking politicians. commentators. but instead of a war, a widow calling for love. and i can do with the power of tubular squash to the five measly years of pediatrician visits. her words, her the faces of her small boys cracking. her husband kept his end of the bargain.

he served. the politicians, the lawyers and the bankers did not. they took. and it was too late for style to break the contract. another crushing example of the giant gulf between the government and its people appear between race, between class, it was also tantalizing and clear the white man and a cops widow in detroit, the black men in the streets of ferguson and a latino woman polishing the marble in simi valley have so much in common but could not find a common ground. and this thing called t.v. only served to spin confusion. i absorbed the disorder as if it were gasoline vapors. it was corrosive. i needed air. and i needed to get out. thank you for coming. [applause]

do you want to drink beer or ask a question? before i forget, afterwards at the american coney island downtown which is downtown, there will be an after party, a little motel music. you know, some drinks. it will be fun. we are all family so everyone is invited. i'm sorry kids about the cussing. sorry about that. i know, i know! okay, come here. come here. before i take questions, get a question in your mind. this young man, a remarkable kid. if you feel, if you would like

to kneel, you may. cj will do his rendition of the star-spangled banner. you can do what you like, this is america. [singing] [singing]

[applause] that took some -- any questions? no? yeah. bobby, stand up and ask. [inaudible] matt was my favorite artist. you are my favorite linebacker.

[laughter] like a dog and a cat. until editing and -- bob would jump out on a freeway and block a congressman since motorcade. it was a beautiful brotherhood. and it isn't over. but you want to just keep playing the same bars on friday night. put some stuff down, it's coming.trust me. yes, sir? and behind you. and then you. and dude in the checkered. >> was interview you always wanted to conduct and how do you imagine outgoing and with whom? >> none. [laughter] none. it is all in the moment. it is all in the moment. you know what i mean?

i know what i want to do. if i'm going to north dakota what the preacher in the oil patch. he is a millionaire, wildcat oilman. andy is going around trying to save men's souls. i want that guy. i'm focused on that guy. you know what i mean? if it is trump, i want trump. if it is -- [laughter] you know what i mean? whatever i'm doing that day. that is how i approach it. there is no dalai lama or anything like that. you know the llama. [laughter] >> i want to know what happened to charlie the duff website. when i tried to look up online it would say blocked because of viruses and stuff. did someone take over your website? >> my brother redesigned it years ago.and i lost how to upload stuff. it had been active in like six years, trying to get rid of it

but i'm afraid if i do that -- i suppose i could learn. hit me on facebook, bro! [laughter]. i need some followers. oh my god, facebook is messing me up. it is messing me up! the website though, you should see the website. >> yes, charlie it's me. how are you? >> i am well, how are you? >> you are a great writer and a great storyteller. i was wondering -- this is an overall condemnation of media. do make a distinction between bias, cable news networks versus local, television networks versus national publications, some of which you have worked for in your condemnation. because it unsettles me that the general condemnation that you spread across the board.

and if you certainly watched one type of media, and i will call them out, fox news. you get a certain perspective. versus reading and analyzing and having variety of sources for your so-called media input. >> right. the question is? >> the question is this. do you make a distinction among them? this seems to be a general condemnation. because i don't think it is fair to categorize something like the atlantic magazine in the same pot as box national news. >> why not? i mean, it is not a media book. the tigers game, did they win? >> 99 percent of it. i stopped at the trump thing. classic is really, really good the party didn't read! it will become apparent. i take care of the whole question. good point, good point. i mean -- you know, there's

different pieces. and we talk about why is there so much violence on local tv. not because it sells, because it is easy to make. you can make it quickly. right? and you are loaded at the top of the news there are three or five of these horrible things that is because a murder , he got shot and he died. there are soundbites from the chief of police, the woman at the end of the block. you put that together and you're done in 20 minutes. you can do that all day long. like grilled cheese sandwiches. nationally, they don't do any reporting. cnn knows that there no bench, there are no reporters. they are commentators. where does the news that gets broadcast, come from? it is the print stuff. again, remember we talked about the white working class, when i read that thing about white people being shot.

and i examine the liberal white media but then the chapter starts out with the conservative white media. because they, through the right working class because they revolted against the republican. my thing is, all of it, anyone that stands in judgment or observes should take a look at themselves. and i think i did it to myself. like you know you see our mistakes and our biases and you have to know it is not a science. and you're right to be skeptical of it. and it will push you to cynicism than is our problem for doing it and yes, some better than others. this is what i read in the morning. new york times. "washington post". wall street journal, associated press and reuters. it is so mainstream. but i know, i worked there. even if opinion has leached into those pages, because they're trying to get you to

click. the facts are pretty straight. they're pretty good. and i don't know how you think you know what you know. it is usually coming out of there. usually is. say what you want, choose how you want, believe how you want. i am just showing you the sausage. and i think, i am no -- leader of the society but i've been to all of these things and i worked at fox and i were to "the new york times" and i worked in detroit. i have a pretty good idea.and her husband, that is a guy i admire. it is the real deal. the conscience. he does not gather it but he consumes it. and then he projects it in a reasonable and sophisticated and calming way. but we are losing that. because numbers.

i submit to you that numbers can be interesting. but the reporter must stay up late when he's not getting paid or she is not getting paid and read the contracts. and don't show up asking a question you don't know the answer to. do your homework. when they give you a lie or some bs, you challenge them because you know the numbers. that is what needs to be done. i guess that is, it is getting silly. it is just getting silly. who believes that? [applause] what up? want to say something to him? >> yes, i do. i want your take on the new narrative on the city of detroit. all of a sudden the grass is greener, i think more than anything has been the perception that has changed because for the first time we have a white mayor for 40 years and that has delivered a comfort level that has eluded a

lot of people over the years. what is your take, charlie? >> there is certainly cement. i would assume most of us are from the region, windsor, and within. ann arbor. we know. i've never seen this. fantastic, new bar, it's good stuff. but at what price is it sustainable? nobody's doing numbers. i will put it to this way. the detroit public schools are the worst performing schools in america. that is our children. our children! we live together. these kids don't do well, your kids want to do well. [applause] it's true! we both decided we will look out for kids but it is the

worst. so -- 600 mil in the whole, 700 million in the hole. right? the state is going to bail out, that means you, that is 600 million. the tax payer to get on. we found 600 million in the city to give it to a billionaire. okay? now let's do the math. [applause] let's do the math. we lost 20 million a year on that deal. on hockey. right? 12 million finance, 8 million to pay revenue share. 20 million gone. out of the budget. in order to recoup that, in order to break even for the publix bank, not like it is fun to go to a bar. but detroit went bankrupt. what kind of jobs would you have to create, at what pay rate to pay that back yearly? do you want to hear the number?

remember, we don't get sales tax for it. that belongs to the state. we don't get property tax because the city technically owns it. and it is rented for one dollar a year for 95 years. so it is income tax. what kind of jobs? here is what it would take to win $20 million back.it would take 1000 millionaires a year to be working in detroit. that would have to create 1000 millionaires. to pay it back. it is ridiculous. how about 10,000, $100,000 jobs. it seems ridiculous? how about 20,000, 20,000 $50,000 a year jobs? it does not work! it is voodoo economics. and we can argue about it but i do not even hear that. this is the issue. they want to do regional transit. the q line is broke. no one is doing the math. if you look at the budget, and

i did it because i'm a freak! 2025 to 2035, that 10 years adjusted for the current rate of inflation. their own calculation, the ridership will diminish in terms of fare collection. you see the number go up, right? 20 million to 25 million. 2.5 percent is the current rate of inflation yearly. over 10 years that is 25 percent. get it? okay. we don't have a lot of money here. let's be very specific in what we are doing. my opinion, i like stuff but it is a shooting gallery out there. the fbi refused to take detroit police statistics, crime is down, says who? says the governors? the governors say that. but the stats don't show that. my god, less police, making less money, making fewer arrests those are all facts that lead to a decrease in

crime? we are adults, we can do better. let's go -- you know. i will fill you in girl. thank you. [laughter] i learned that in -- >> that is all great. i do not know if you can hear me but what is the solution? >> keep on going. >> what does that mean? really? >> keep on going. >> that mean that whoever is in power now or people making a difference and getting into the city and making change? >> what do you mean? >> well, making change. not moving downtown but engaging more. contributing more. >> what does that mean? now i am a reporter. what are you saying, senator? i am for fair trade, not free-trade. what does that mean?

>> means actually engaging.>> what is engaging me?i am there. what do you mean? [laughter] >> i mean instead of just complaining about it or talking about or asking questions, actually making a difference. attending city council meetings. >> wait a minute? >> what? >> instead of asking questions. and challenging what you see? that is not engaging? that is exactly engaging! >> that is you engaging what about the rest of us? >> you figure out your way. i do it my way. [applause] >> okay so guess what we do? what should we do? >> i am your cousin in the human family. i'm not telling you what to do. whatever you do you have a right to do. and i will listen. right? >> give us suggestions. >> i am not living in, i cannot afford it!

>> i know and i just moved in and i can afford it. >> that's what i'm saying. where is your car registered? [laughter] >> detroit. my car is registered in detroit, thank you. >> we can do better. you are right. it is tough.we are here though. the thing is this -- we are all here. we have made a commitment to hear. we go like that and then we all do the work of living. do it your way, i do it my way and i have your back. right? but i'm not dragging it down. no more stealing. if i see them stealing that's my job. no more stealing. i will be on your kneecap like a dog.i am going. that is what i can do. i attend all of the meetings. -- not a reporter, not one. only me. and i don't get paid. in detroit, give me $200.

my man. check out the website because we are going to blow that up. you know, let's face it. here's how everyone does the news in the morning. [laughter] done! right? we will give you those three or four. keep your eyes peeled, it's coming. we are going to try. we have been doing it for a while but were going to blow it up. [applause] two more. >> is there any truth to the term, fake news? >> yes. there is fake news. but it's more like superficial news. it is really what you mean. that is what we are talking about. not fake, fake. you know what i mean? it is -- or parts impaired or it is loose and you're quick to get in and is not done baking. i will say this, i don't know about you, because i like to work again but i'm saying it,

washington. i do not remember a single facebook ad or fake story probably coming out of russia that influenced my mind. i do not remember one. but i do remember fox news and cnn. [applause] okay. i will sign some books and -- oh, yes! i was waiting. >> i just want to say that i am new to michigan. and i am just so proud that you speak truth to power and i enjoy the things that i see you do and the books that you write. and what happened to the t.v. thing? why are you not on the news? >> thought i could escape. [laughter] thought i would get out of

this. [inaudible] you heard of youtube? >> shake your head if this is wrong. if i am doing wrong. i mean you know -- a lot of reasons. we live hard and it gets to you and you need a break. this is my fourth book. every five years i do that. but at some point when you get too close like you're not really allowed to keep going. you know what i'm saying? let's just say it like that without you know let me be charitable about it. but when bob and i started it was like the beatles doing she loves you, yeah, yeah. it was really fun, we would run

around and then it turns into, i am the walrus. i am the egg man. the music changed. ...

the final word of the night goes to me. going to hate me in washington. >> you have seen a lot of really horrible stuff and you have seen people being mistreated and you're telling us and -- i find it what i like most about reading your work is my ability to empathize with people who i might otherwise dismiss their feelings and what is going on for them. along the line of the question that was asked earlier issue guess maybe in a different way of putting it do you see stuff that is hope inflame what keeps you from going totally bonkers,

totally bonkers. [laughter] >> you. my wife. i won't give any secrets away. it's a life. you. because you said that. because you're out there. you know, too. it was a -- funny what that just triggered. i was in school in ann arbor and he homeless guy, the old guy, but he was like the beautiful mind in the movie. he was like an astrophysicist that hit the skids. maybe member demons got to him. i said i look at life and i see a sea and the light pops on and i gravitate to the light and that's what keeps me floating.

that's what he said. just reminded me of that. thank you. awesome. [applause] >> thank you, really, very much for coming. it's a beautiful library. try it sometime when you're doug here doing a restaurant, come in and gate library card. aj. thank you, brother, very much. [applause] >> who is too broke to get a book? >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. there are a lot of people

who feel like i don't want my today read stories that are sad, gushing, downbeat. that's like not a totally illegitimate thing to say. i want to choose as a parent when my kid understanding sufficient that might bring thin grief but there's also a certain point, well, there's 14 now. when are you going to introduce them to the idea that not everything is perfect outside of your all-white suburb. so all of those factors swirl together to create the perfect dumpster fire of mast censorson of books. >> our guest on "in depth" fiction edition on sunday, august 5th, noon eastern, discussing his book "walk away." he wrote down and out, little brother, and 14 other november veils. interact with corey boy phone, twitter or