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published book draws upon the historical influence of evangelical christianity on american culture and it takes the title of the most,, and editors believe me the evangelical road to donald trump is a remarkably nuanced soul-searching historical analysis from a self identified evangelical and academic and wonder of wonders it is a very positive productive contribution and something we don't see nearly enough. it's an analysis of and we are happy to be welcoming him today. thank you for coming. [applause]

it's a beautiful day here in washington, d.c. and you are here listening to the booktalk so kudos to you. and able to talk about donald trump of all things. on a beautiful day like this maybe we don't want to be thinking of him, i'm not sure. thanks to politics and prose for inviting me. we are about to go off on a book tour so i can't think of a better place to get that going them right here at one of the best stores in the country. very excited to be here. the genesis of the book as you can imagine dates back to november 8, 2016. the presidential election. like most of you, i was sitting in my room watching television, expecting history to take place. of course i am an american historian and wanted to be

president when the first female president of the united states was elected. we got however a different kind of history. we got a history of a reality television star, a new york business real estate tycoon, somebody that managed to get elected despite all of his remarks that could be defined as racist, misogynistic. we learned about his bragging about sexual assault on women that he later dismissed as locker room talk and then we learned more when he came into office, and alter his affairs with adult film stars and so on and so forth and for some of the morally problematic at least from where i sit as an

evangelical some of the more problematic things associated. as i sat there i watched my adopted home state of pennsylvania go to trump and the so-called fire off states of michigan and wisconsin go to trump. i decided once it was clear that he would be the next president of the united states, i began to look at some of the twitter posts of some of the so-called evangelical leaders that had supported trump or the ticket and i saw things like praise the lord, donald trump has one. thank god that all the christians came out and did the right thing and voted for this man. and on and on.

and as someone that identified as an evangelical christian myself, i was angry, i felt betrayed by what had happened and later on i learned of roughly eight out of ten white evangelicals actually voted for donald trump, but at that moment, he motion emotions tooki wrote myself and it said something like this. if this is american evangelicalism, i am now. the next day wit or the day aftr the religious right are wrote a piece in the atlantic in which he quoted my piece and the next thing you know my e-mail box started filling up with all of my progressive friends saying good job, way to go. it's about time that you got out of that form of religion.

glad you are redesigning. i think it was the evangelical history professor that i'm guessing most of you know him but he made a wonderful comment about redesigning and you can't resign from evangelicals because there is no place to send the letter. to whom do you send the letter but then my e-mail box was filled with evangelicals and saying don'evangelical friendssk with it. it seems good news. it has a transformative power over so many people. so, back and forth. then i wrote a few things about it. after about a week or two, at least i was able to start to see clearly and i remembered i was an american historian myself and rather than sort of get caught

up in the emotions i thought why is it eight out of ten evangelicals voted for this man? is there something within the history of that made thi it is a perfectly normal decision? and i soon realized and kicked myself i should have seen this coming. i had a significant portion of my career at this point devoted to thinking about the history. this seems perfectly logical that eas easy 1% would vote for donald trump in light of the study. it's at that point i decided i want to think about this as a historian and also as an evangelical myself. to try to think about the

historical forces that led to so many white evangelicals to vote for donald trump. so to set this up i just want to read a very brief passage of a bbc and then it let me. when he speaks to his followers in the rallies that have now become a fixture of the populist brand, he loves to use the phrase believed me. the internet is filled with video montages using the signature catchphrase perhaps more frequently than make america great again. i encourage you to go look for those. they are pretty entertaining, but also very sad. believe me those were filling the wall. believe me, we are building the

wall. i love women, believe me. and you know what else, i have great respect. believe me. i am the least racist person you've ever met. believe me. the world is in trouble that we are going to straighten it out. that's what i do, i fixed things. we are going to straighten it out. believe me. and perhaps most importantly for the subject of my book let me state right up front in a trump administration that heritage will be cherished, protected, defended like you've never seen before. believe me. this is the story of why so many believe in donald trump and you can think about all kinds of particular reasons, abortion, religious liberty as defined by white evangelicals on

immigration and those that led to the evangelicals to back donald trump but most of those who fall under the three larger categories. but i've concluded is that they vote for donald trump in such a large number because they have privileged surgeon things over other things. they've privileged fear over hope, political power over humility and nostalgia over history so those are the three sort of central themes of the book. let me talk about them briefly and then we will take questions because i know many of you will probably have them. first, fear over hope. i love the pulitzer prize

winning writer that sat in "the new york times" essay she said here is not a christian habit of mine. if you look at the bible, which modern evangelicals hold to be an authoritative book xp is about it in two ways. one, the fear of god, the reverence for god, the all-powerful, god intervenes in the life of human beings and answers prayer, performs miracles of times. because they have a fear of death god, they put their faith and trust in the goddess of it is the way they treat the notion of fear. think of the famous solomon 23 though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death i will fear no evil for thou art with

me and comfort me. it isn't a christian habit of mine. my tradition also teaches that we live in a very broken world. i've learned that from people like saint augustin and the performers and reading the world is broken and fear is a natural product of that. but it's not a christian option as i read my bible to build policy around that fear or public engagement with the world around that fear. it pleads evangelicals to find salvation or saviors in things other than the highest allegiance. as i began to explore this and to conclude that one could write an entire history of american

evangelicalism with fear at the center of. whenever there is some kind of a significant social, cultural or religious change in the united states there has been a backlash. whether there is an immigrants coming in the 1840s and 50s in this backlash associated with it, whether it is the slave holders in the south fearful of rebellion but also fearful of althe abolitionists in the north some are looking to disrupt their way of life rooted in slavery and white supremacy so out of fear they turned to the bible and constructed ideological and religious defense of the institution of

slavery. there were even evangelical alternatives to some of these fearful reactions. evangelicals could have taken this either way on a lot of things that was more driven by hope but they also chose not to. in the 1970s and 1980s with the majority is exacerbated even further under the eight years of barack obama. god hagod has uniquely blessed d front-end for a variety of ways.

hope on the other hand, we've heard a lot about that in the administration, christian hope ultimately forward-looking it overcomes fear. evangelicals were any others believe in the coming kingdom of god and compassion and justice and sometimes we forget about that and look to the past rather than looking forward in hope and i would be happy to address that further into q-and-a. how about politics, political power over humility, christianity as i understand it is a religion in which we worship and give our allegiance to as a savior.

it is someone who is taking to the mountains in chapter four and was attempted with all of the power in the world and turned that powerdown. to try to affect through the pursuit of political power and what's interesting about this is there've been thoughtful evangelical christians who provided alternative ways of thinking about social change, cultural change, being a witness for their faith in the world, that is not corrected in the political power but they've largely been ignored by american evangelicals because the architects of the christian right in the late 70s and

80s for example those like jerry falwell senior and others did such a good job teaching evangelicals the only way to bring change to the culture and society and make a meaningful contribution to the world is through partisan politics. i am an american historian and whatever you think of jerry falwell senior, i don't think that he gets enough attention in the textbooks. this man is one of the most significant political thinkers of the post cold war world because he would teach millions of evangelicals that there is only one way to engage in public life. to put forth a particular political playbook as i call it but you won't know -- -- you all know to a point the right supreme court justice and

members of congress will convert them to justice and to bring about change and reclaim and renew the restore the christian nation that somehow has been lost. that playbook is powerful and is closely connected with this gop. that playbook has been associated in the past with presidential candidates with a certain degree of character or respected american institutions. that was put to the test in 2016. once the playbook survived if the candidate did not have traditional character and guess what, it did. third, nostalgia over history.

nostalgia has been something that has defined the christian right for a long time for most of its history. but i want to talk about the latest find the christian right. again, since the 1970s and the 1980s. there has been a long-standing position among the right, the historical argument if you can call the event that the united states was again found it in some ways is a christian nation and that we somehow need to return america to its roots. it's abou about upon an amazing dubious claim about what the founders tried to create when they founded a nation but it's a historical narrative that has incredible power thanks to politicians who peddle in the story of the past. politicians who cherry pick from the path to their political

agenda in the presence they are out there and have a long following. they don' don't sing out in plas like politics and prose. but they have massive followings in the states and they are articulating the historical narrative that america was a christian nation. it's a narrative that is not only problematic but there's probably a good argument to make. we have never truly been a christian nation and he can get into that into q-and-a. american evangelicals are constantly looking backwards trying to reclaim something that is either never coming back or may have never existed in the first place. think about the phrase makes

america great again. people tend to focus on the were great. when was america great, we are going to make it great again. donald trump is very unclear to me as to exactly when america was great. as a historian i want him to pin that down so that i can say okay so the 1950s was great with the 19th century was great, what happened in that century and then we can decide whether or not it was great. the only thing i can go on is every time he appeals to the american past he appeals to our darkest moments. he has a picture of the white supremacist indian hating although he thought he was an indian lover, andrew jackson on his wall.

he makes appeals to america first and anti-semitic isolationist mantra used in the 1930s. he plays with the law and order dog whistle richard nixon and george wallace used to compel or trick to stop or get white americans to be afraid of the race riots going on in the wake of the assassination of martin luther king and kennedy. any time he appeals to the past he appeals to the device of this moment. i think evangelicals need to be careful and raising any candidate that wants to make america great again in the sense that the nostalgia is a selfish way of looking at the past. i'm not saying that we shouldn't be nostalgic. it can help you provide meaning and purpose in life.

but as a sense of public policy or a kind of national understanding of our identity, nostalgia is always going to privilege one group over another group. it's always going to focus on the people that have it good in that era and essentially ignore those that did not think it was particularly great and let's just call it out immediately. women and african-americans and people of color come to mind when we think about when america was great or perhaps when america was not so great a. so these are i think the three major things. one more word about nostalgia. history goes into the past and looks at the complexity. it's like a mirror the look and

see ourselves, they are for the grace of god we have to confront the past even when it makes us very uncomfortable that is what history does. i think it was the great theologian of hope who said historians awaken the dead and put the pieces back together. that's what we are in the business of giving and evangelicals because of a long history of anti-intellectual to some regards have failed to look straight on at the past because in some ways they will not like what we see if they do, so hope over fear. humility over power politics and history over nostalgia if you've

ever bee been out of the evangel world wher or you are an evangel christian who noticed that hope, humility, history. three points, the duration, we need a column and a prayer. [laughter] i will take questions now. thank you. [applause] >> thank you for your interesting talk. two questions. one, help me understand this belief that i hear quite often that trump is a flawed kaine and i don't understand this, the second thing is there an ongoing dialogue between the different branches of evangelical believers? it seems to me a lot of immigrants are becoming

evangelicals. where is your voice in this picture? >> a lot of evangelicals will appeal to the fact the bible god often uses flawed individuals to accomplish his purposes is the idea. he can use anybody. so despite the flaw is being used outside of our control we don't know how he's going to work. he will even work for somebody like donald trump to restore america or advance his cause. this might play into a little bit of that edition and then i will get to the people of color. there is another theory that he was converted.

they show up at the king's court and flatter him, the prosperity teacher who claims he had a born-again experience. there is another narrative rather associated with the old testament who was a persian king who in the bible. when the israelites were in captivity in babylon, it was a pagan king who set them free to go back to the promised land and so forth to the temple. so the narrative goes something like this, donald trump has come along and god has used him to set us free from the eight years

of the obama administration or something to that effect so all of the narratives are there. among the white evangelicals is hard to tell him to get a sense of what is happening on the ground. there was a great piece in "vanity fair" in which he was at the assembly of god at the church in fredericksburg virginia and he noticed many of the people were not necessarily happy about the character, but he supported their decision. i dedicate the book that is written to the 81%. i think there's a secondary audience of people that are just interested in the historical forces that lead to donald trump so i think that there is stuff here for everybody if there is an audience but i do think that is true. i dedicate the book to the 19%. so there is a small sector of

white evangelicals that are opposed to trump but you don't notice, i keep saying white because the support among the african-american community and latin americans come in many of those that he's trying to keep out of the country are evangelical christian and those to whom the purse strings of power are obviously privileging u.s. immigration law and privileging the nationstate over their own brothers and sisters in christ. so this book is about those evangelicals that it's more bute complex and complicated than that so your question is a good one. >> longtime evangelical. i have a membership card in my wallet. [laughter]

i identify as part of the 19%. during the civil rights movement, evangelicals by and large including fundamentalist christians and the definition has not made enough because there is a difference were on the wrong side of history on the civil rights movement. christianity today opposed the movement. talk about the role of racism for those who voted for donald trump and with respect to what happened in eight years previo previous. he received something like 20 to work 4% of the evangelical vote this racism in history that has resulted as donald trump and president. >> it'president. >> it's interesting with all of the reviews they say i don't say enough about race in the book.

it stared. i've been trying to navigate a fair position on that. it's a very important factor. you look at the obama presidency is largely evangelical christian leaders on the far right, people like i guess you could say an evangelical, the president of an evangelical college at one point. it was people like newt gingrich and others who demonize barack obama and supported the further amendment. they certainly were involved in this very uncomfortable with an african-american president. it is very hard to measure the amount of faces among the

rank-and-file evangelicals. in new jersey, if my accent hasn't given the soviets, i know a lot of white working-class evangelicals who voted for trump largely because of race. race as one factor, abortion and of those thingthose things are t of it also got as far as the history goes, i try to suggest there's a long history of racism in american evangelicalism, both southern and northern. christianity today, even billy graham this came out a lot during the op-ed same things that were written about billy graham after he died. some i think brutally unfair to

his legacy and race but they were pretty good. billy graham, there is a famous picture that gets created out there, he desegregated his revival meetings and so forth but was never a strong advocate. he never did anything in a positive way to combat racism, so this is a big hurdle and one of the issues in the next 20 years or so that they will havee to deal with, one of the most important. yes, sir. >> being jewish, i don't carry an evangelical card. [laughter] a couple things, it seems in the new testament jesus is all about helping the poor and caring about the community and

nonmaterial. for the life of me, maybe nobody understands this by the 81% of the evangelicals seem so harsh against programs for the poor but those in the individual morality that surprises me a also how would you define evangelical? what happens to people that are not christian, how do you evangelicals view without? they are the movement and other theologians the most famous definition is associated with an english professor of great britain for someone believes in the authority of the bible is

the inspiration owiththe inspir, the old testament, new testament, somebody who believes in a born-again experience, a moment in time of one that accepts jesus christ as their savior, someone with a sort of belief in the centrality of the death on the cross, and also somebody that has been an activist activism has been understood less than evangelical strollers, said it is changing less than the circles in terms of all the things you just mentioned like feeding the poor and so forth but i think a lot of evangelicals have thought about activism in terms of preaching the gospel and trying to convert somebody to jesus christ. now as an evangelical i would love to sit down and talk with you about my faith back and forth over coffee. [laughter]

i don't think the state should be doing that. at a conference on secularism at georgetown i said the same thing, and the guy interviewing me said you are not in my face and i said i like the news about jesus christ. i would like to talk with you about that. everybody laughed. it'it was kind of an awkward moment. but i don't think the state should be involved in that. what i fear as they get so close to politics, when they seek playbook why aren't they supporting candidates that social progress for the poor and all these other things, pro- immigration and so forth, i think a lot of that is because they have privileged certain issues over another. talking to a reporter about this, there is a hierarchy of

morality in the conservative evangelicalism. it's at the top right now alongside other religious liberties as they would define it that is a point. they have rarely had of course separating children from their parents as an evangelical would come down that idea. it will lead to the position on weakening abortion, so of course we don't want to separate children but we still have to stick with trump because he is s going to deliver on these issues. so i think there are evangelical christians in the minority who see much like the catholic social teachings.

the national association of evangelicals has also taken this. i was part of a catholic evangelical dialogue on teaching several years ago at georgetown so i think there are evangelicals pushing for a much more holistic pro-life kind of agenda tha but they are still ie minority is because the success of the playbook if you will. >> what about non-christians, how are they viewed? >> those on the hard-core christian right believe that it should be privileged. non-christians should have religious freedom to worship in

the way they want but most of the defenders of the christian right want to restore a christian nation and symbolism and wall. i don't think they thought about how to live in a pluralistic society. that's my point. there are a lot that are thinking about this. the st. louis wall professor and goes in the traditiothose in the thought deeply about this. the association of evangelicals. how do we live in a pluralistic society in which our deepest differences are respected? i think the christian right -- i talk about this in terms of the dog chasing the bus. they've been chasing the bus the last 30 or 40 years but they haven't thought about what they are going to do when they catch the bus. what do they want, do they want

a ten commandments in front of every single city hall, a so there hasn't been a full way to think about the engagement with people of other faiths but they seem to want no part of it. >> i was in the audience at the panel and it takes a while to get me all the way to georgetown. i was excited about that. you talk about the attention between nostalgia and the history. but so much of the authoritative text for the evangelicals who consider themselves evangelicals

is at least as much forward-looking as history starting with the call to abraham as referenced in the. it is their avowed belief versus but we actually operate on on a day-to-day basis. >> all of these fears, category, nostalgia, political power. i separate them but they also do believe together.

maybe a psychologist would be better. it was privileged and i was still a dominant theme that still dominates the american evangelicalism. this kind of longing for the golden age. golden age. and there's even some who may not be at the front lines of kind of our giving america is a christian nation to just take this idea for granted. this is part of the political playbook and so it certainly is not a coincidence jerry falwell in 1976 was running around the united states with a liberty baptist college at the time why you're going to every state capital doing rallies talking about the founding fathers on

america's bicentennial. so again, that kind of nostalgia creates a longing for the lost world and i would agree with you it is indeed a religion. some of you might take this the wrong way that even evangelicals and christians in the kingdom of god, when betsy uses that word, everyone freaks out. they say what, you want to become an education secretary so you can take over, but that is an in-house church term, the kingdom of god. it means one day we will be with the lord in a world in which all will be made to. iem of the theological stripe

without getting much into the weeds. they do the best to without kingdom will look like with thyy kingdom come i will be done on earth as it is in heaven. we have the responsibility it's sort of what would the world look like if. with love, compassion, mercy and justice that's what evangelical christians need to be considering more and that is always forward-looking. >> i read the first chapter of your book last night. at dupont circle she and i

talked about the resident advisor to. the student is concerned because his or her parents are concerned about the result and i said to her why don't you have your students call up to the defense counsel and tell mom and dad you did that and they can do something back where you live. the sense that i get from her is that young people, and they read in the first chapter of the book young people are just not interested at all in this legalistic approach to religion. they decided to start a family and get back to church.

what do you think? >> from what i've seen, and i will put this in the book, i think most who voted for donald trump, i believe it is 81% of white evangelicals, ed 1% of the voters it's just keep that clear, it could be a lot higher or lower but i think what i see with teaching a significant number of students and encountering these kind as to insist that their parents and grandparents were schooled again back in that falwell playbook. they came of age when evangelicals were supposed to do this coming but for the race candidates and get the right supreme court justices.

i don't see the evangelicals that i encounter, and i have two young daughters who are very kind of socially active and evangelical. i don't see them necessarily sacrificing things like pro-life positions on abortion and things like that, but they are taking a much fuller understanding in the environment and social justice issues and so forth. i think i call it in the book i love about half an hour, 45 minutes north of gettysburg and i think if this i of this as kia pickett's charge. you have the politica to politis that are dying out and sometimes it is a very effective last.

i am wondering if that is what we may see among the next generation. thank you. >> i was wondering i know going forward myself and a lot of friends around my age anticipated the vice president having a role in the administration more than so far. where does the vice president fit into all of this? >> from a purely political view, his pick was a masterful political movement. his bedrock faith in the kind of conservative evangelicals when he says i am first a christian, second a conservative family

member, conservative, is that how it goes? the fact that they can parachute him into this convention to give a talk just clears the way for him. the fact that one of his big supporters sent a letter to be read at the freedom sunday service at the baptist church in dallas, he could speak the language in a way that he can't and he softens trump and i just think he may not be a kind of active vice president as dick cheney or something like that. but symbolically it's like this for trespass stands behind the trump so i think that he plays a significant role in the certain branches of evangelicals.

>> it was a great pick. >> i write a blog and i really appreciated all of your work. two quick questions i want to ask i am more towards the edge of the scene but one thing i noticed is through the authoritarian figures i think about them and wonder if that is what happened when you follow people like this, is donald trump very far away from that and i wondered if you can talk about that. the other question that i have as well is i've interacted with people who because of the

phenomena they are actually kind of pushing back from evangelicals and christianity and so it is so toxic and poisonous. i wondered if you can address that. >> the first question is authoritarianism. one of the things when people are afraid if history is any guide, it is a limited discipline. i was debating this with my daughter at the dinner table. history shows this and i said yes this might show that it's happened before but we need something to tell us whether it is good or bad. people that are afraid tend to

not want to put a blanket cover. people who are afraid often turn to strong man. i think he's a political strongman. this is back in the fall of 2015, "the new york times" columnist i think someone told me they have recently been here with the recent book speaking at the college and he compared the fear among american evangelicals to the fear of syrians and isis turning towards asad with such a prominent intellectual to make. i don't want to say they turned to strongman but if you look at the early 20th century you have these powerful men who are

christian evangelical strongman who have a large following and built these empires of people who listen to every word they say and it certainly isn't an authoritarian tendency in the history of american evangelicalism comes about should surprise us if he is going to attempt to deliver. i will protect and fight. there are other candidates but said they were going to. when antonin scalia died, ted cruz was running around saying if you do not elect -- if you elect hillary clinton, they will start chiseling stars of david off of tombstone and crosses off of tombstone. they will fall off. to me at least this blatant sort of fear mongering that is what

is interesting is rubio, john kasich i think were the big ones, evangelicals thought that he could protect them much better and there's a lot of debate over why the primaries chose trump. in terms of the questions of people leaving, i know a lot of people who are kind of abandoning ship. i am not quite sure what that means. they say i am not an evangelical anymore and then i bring up these four things and they are like of course i do. i did this in the "washington post" piece in which i also talked about the realignment of american protestant christianity in general.

i think that you are going to find -- and again this is just me spit balling, i am not a prophet, but i think you'll find a lot of progressive evangelicals or even sort of moderate evangelicals in the 19% who are going to start having more in common with mainline protestants or people of catholics with these sort of things we will see how they develop. i am a historian and i prefer to comment on this, things like 50 years after they happen so this is a little bit of a departure for me to. perfect last question. one of my former students. thanks for coming. >> i'm glad you were able to make it. you talked a little bit about during the talk and also you

blogged about this as well can a quart evangelicals. i wondered if you could talk a little bit further what they are role is, whether it is to maintain a certain level of positive pr or if they have more specific favors that they are after. >> the term court evangelicals i draw from the late medieval renaissance era. there was a group of diehard right now most of them are on the evangelical council. these are people that believe he is anointed by god from the

christian right they are still around and others also are part of the prosperity gospel movement and they maybe attract it to the kind of success. nevertheless. a pastor in manhattan decided after charlottesville enough. i can no longer associate with this guy. he was asked why did you quit and he described what was going on in those meetings. she said so fahe said so far thn nothing but photo ops, so no one is addressing some of the issues beyond abortion and religious

liberty. i don't know what's happening in the meetings. so i want to be a little bit fair. i'm sure they were influential in moving the embassy to jerusalem. i'm sure they had been advising him so i'm sure that they are even using him to get their cultural war agenda and donald trump is using them. i talk about in the book there is a history, he recent history starting with billy graham and richard nixon when evangelicals get too close to the political power, they get burned. this means it hurts their witness, their gospel witness, but they should be doing in society. you know, grant wagner, the biographer of billy graham put it this way. when almost everyone in the nation had abandoned extend at

watergate, billy graham was still holding on. there are lessons to be learned about getting too close to political power that the court evangelicals even seem to do. even with the immigrants there were some evangelicals that broke. they called the despicable or something to that effect. but his pinnacle community had always been defended in the ands break on immigration issues trump and there's a couple others but they still hold the line and still do something to be as cathy dot responses as it is a bad idea to separate children from their parents at the border. and then 20 minutes, or i'm exaggerating but ten minutes on how great trump is despite this

kind of thing. .. >> thank you very much,. >> we have copies of the book at the cash register. thank you. >> enjoy it.

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actor dl hughley with his thoughts on race in america, and former white house peace secretary sean spicer. >> for me it was making a decision, stepping down from a role that you know, was surreal to me. knowing it would there was no turning back, you can't unresign. you can't take it back. but i knew that it was the right thing to do for myself, and for the president. it was an unbelievable honor to serve, he wanted a change. i think rightly so, i had become story too often. and was a bit of a distraction of his policies. he wanted someone new, i respected, that my view and i wanted to give the president and his choice a opportunity to have a clean slate, i walked in, i a

detailed you kno know. it is 25 feet from the office. i walked through in the book that i knew thursday night if this decision came down the way i thought it would, and it continued to you know, look like that was going to be the case, then, i needed to make that decision. >> afterwards airs on book tv, all previous afterwards programs are to watch in our web site, book tv.org. >> jeanne safer what do you do for a living. >> i am a psychoanalyst. peter: what does that mean. >> people lie on the couch. and i would like them to come more than once a week, i have been in practice