48 hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend. television for serious readers. our full schedule for this again is available on website, booktv.org. here is mona karen thoughts on the feminist agenda. >> hello. we like to say once a month you know you are not alone and let's do it here for our conservatives in silicon valley. i like to welcome c-span. c-span is here recording so watch what you say, i guess. i'm sure it will be fine. i'm delighted to introduce mona charen thought it be easy to

get people interested because her book is the word sex in it and that's interesting but it's really a great book. what i found fascinating is anyone who's ever known authors or been an offer you to start your research many years in advance before the book is published and there's no way she could of known about harvey weinstein and what is going on but this was, it's not a fad. mona has been interested in the topic of families and women and sex roles and how are the same in different and back in 1983 she published an article the feminist mistake so back in 1983r he had an inkling of what will happen were having today. he will hear a great presentation tonight. i'm happy for all of you. mona is a syndicated columnist. it appears as weak in various papers. which is a senior fellow of the

ethics about policy center in dc. the author of a book that is older but called useful idiots that you can imagine what that is about. without further ado, please help me welcome mona charen. [applause] >> thank you all. can you hear me all right? excellent. i want to thank erica and donna my good friends that i met many years ago on national review cruises where we bonded. it's great to be able to catch up and i'm delighted to be here in silicon valley though i never thought i'd be here addressing a group of conservatives but hooray. my new book is called "sex matters". the day after it was published the following headline appeared in the huffington post. quote, there is a chilling new

call for women to reject feminism. we must fight it at all costs. in the attached article the author wrote that watching me on tv was enough to convince him that someone to change the channel to the handmaid's tale. what followed was a 700 word scream about me and my call limitation for women to accept perpetual slavery. here's my favorite part. he wrote, i admit i have not read mona charen's new book. [laughter] my late father was fond of saying don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up. that is only my second favorite quotation for my father. best line was in the form of a question. why are they are there so many more horses asses than there are horses?

[laughter] i've been doing interviews since the book was published on some and asked me what prompted you to write this book i do not have a pithy response ready. i wish i had just said because i'm happy and i want more people to be able to say that. i have been married for almost 30 years. we have three sons. this does not make me -- sorry, we have three grown sons and i cheerfully cut back on my work while my boys were young. this does not make me a freak but puts me in the mainstream of married women. we live in an era where fewer and fewer adults are marrying in the divorce rate is high and bitterness between men and women seems to worsen all the time. lena dunham, who has built a persona as a spokeswoman for women wondered how any woman could reject the label feminis feminist -- actually, a 2016 poll found that 60% of american

women do reject the label but her free-floating contempt for men was evident in the recent week. she said, i'd honestly rather fall into 1 million manholes that have one single dude tell me to watch my step. note the resentment, even when men are attempting to be kind. lena dunham is voicing that 21st century version of a slogan that went around in the 1970s, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. without the nine the beneficial effects of feminism, such as greater opportunities in the workplace, freedom from certain social expectations about what a woman's life must include, we are overdue, i think, for reckoning about feminism's missteps. one of these was what you see in lena dunham, the bitterness between men and women. the feminist movement has seeded

our culture with ms. that badly needed debunking. there are many, and i go into them in detail in "sex matters" but let's itemize some. one, the sexual revolution was necessary and good for women. masculinity itself is toxic. all differences between the sexes are socially constructed constructive. marriage served only men's interest, not women's. women earn only 77 cents on the dollar compared to men. well, the feminist and sexual revolution the rock the world 60 years ago has transformed our lives. the cultural narrative we are familiar with celebrate the new freedoms and applaud the advances were made. i'll talk about those advances a minute the first important to ask are we happier? after 60 years of no-fault

divorce, single parenting, hookup culture and sex in the city, are women more satisfied with their lives and what about men? every year is 1922 the general social survey about the broad cross-section of americans thought their lives in general and how happy they are. in 1972 women reported being somewhat happier than men. every year since despite the achievements of feminism women reported in their happiness has declined. both in absolute terms when compared with men. around 1990 the sexes passed each other and since then women have reported being less happy than men and less happy than their mothers and grandmothers were at the same stage of life. it was not one survey but dozens of other studies from europe and america show the same trends. a 2011 study on the women are to nap times are likely to be taken

an antidepressant is meant. recent data on suicide, the suicide rates between 202,016 show a 21% increase for men but a 50% increase for women. among middle-aged women the increase was 60%. so, this closes a gender gap but not in a way that anyone would cheer. as for men the decline of marriage and family seems to have left significant numbers adrift. some 22% of men in their prime ages, 25-54, arguing doing no paperwork at all. this category is not the same as unemployment. these men are not looking for work. and 14%, only 40% that they were idle because of lack of job opportunities. most are low skilled, never married and native born.

this castle meant who don't wo work, don't marry adults for children is worrying. meanwhile, boys and men are falling behind women in many realms of life. women now are in a majority of bachelors, masters and phd's in america. these are among the advances that the feminist cheer. we should not be so quick to celebrate. the feminist movement has gotten us into the very bad habit of measuring success of one sex at the expense of the other. can women be considered the winners if men are falling behind? were all connected to one another. every one of those men who is not going to college or isn't employed is some woman's son or brother or father or husband. and speaking of husbands, women tend to marry men who are there equals or superiors in education and income.

who are all those female university graduates going to find to mary? in 2015 and again in 2017 a pair of princeton a calmness was data about the decline of middle-class americans and after decades of steadily increasing lifespans due to better nutrition and so forth in the last two years has taken a turn in the other direction. the economist identify the cause as diseases of despair. cirrhosis of the liver, suicide, drug overdoses and alcohol poisoning. this despair was found in exactly those groups in the last educated working-class that have seen the most family disruptions in the past several decades. what went wrong? how could a doctrine that is feminism that merely believes in female equality be responsible

for those unhappy trends? can find anything out of existence. you can define feminism as the most benign way but if you define it as believing, if you define it as believing in this full social and moral people who but the most benighted big could object? frequently when i debate feminist they will define it that way. that may be true for the suffragettes of the 19th and early 20th century but it doesn't capture what feminism has been since the 1960s. the feminist we have come to know excel at sucking the joy out of life. [laughter] the second wave feminist or a humorless lot to the point where there was a joke that used to go around and i'm sure you may have heard it which was how many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb? answer, that's not funny. [laughter]

in 19703 furious feminist dominated the best seller list kate millet's sexual politics, jermaine greer's the female unit and dialectic of sex. they and others who comprise what was then called the women's lib movement culminated against male dominance endorsed sexual liberation and demanded that the newly family be matched. in the female unit greer wrote in the final analysis women are not free until there libidos are recognized as separate entities. betty for dan, personally invited robert grammar, you may not know robert but there was an enormous bestseller in the best early 70s called the herod experiment. it describes a college campus where the students would be assigned to roommates based purely on their computer

generated compatibility and everybody would have affairs with everybody else and everyone would be constantly having sex with everyone else and no jealousy and no marriage and it would be blissful and fantastic. okay, he sold a huge number of books especially on college campuses. but, but here's the point i'm trying to bring out. the national organization for women ready for dance group and the american association of university women thought his advice about the cultural construction of gender roles. feminist join hands with libertines like hugh hefner. hefner supported the now legal defense in education fund and champions the equal rights amendment and filed briefs to the support in abortion cases. he said i was one of the first feminist. now, without feminism's seal of

approval the sexual revolution would never have gone mainstream. it would've influenced a few nonconformist in berkeley and ann arbor in manhattan but most people would've dismissed it as just another attempt by men to get women to let down their guard. feminism ratified the sexual revolution is pro- woman but was it? have a look at what is happening on college campuses. there's an epidemic of accusations of sexual assault. universities have hired gender-based misconduct specialist and title ix interpreters. though the statistics on college assault have been exaggerated and while some percentage of the accusations team to arise from regretted sex, the prevalence of the complaints overwhelmingly filed by women is a signal that the sexual free-for-all has not turned out to be the egalitarian

utopia imagined by robert grammar. a several women confided to sociologist, lisa wade, they have been raised that they inherited a right to express their sexuality from the women's movement of the 60s and 70s. the reality of 21st century has proved disappointing. quote, they do not feel like equals on the sexual playground, more like jungle gyms. the sexual revolution in the hookup culture is incubated, left the men unsure of how to behave and offered bad ones a golden opportunity for abuse and rape. the #metoo movement is another red flag pointing to women's unhappiness with the hookup culture and the sexual feminist revolution equipped to them. you may remember the story that made a huge splash a few months

ago and prompted a debate about whether #metoo have gone too far. one comment that i found interesting was from a feminist named jessica valenti, who writes a website. she wrote, a lot of men will read that post about her and see an everyday reasonable sexual interaction for part of what women are saying right now is that what the culture considers normal sexual encounters are not working for us. i agree with this. so many of the young women i spoke to when i was researching this book told me he would love to date and flirt and form relationships with men but instead find themselves forced to choose either hooking up or nothing. the feminist explanation for what has gone wrong is that masculinity itself is toxic. we have to teach men not to rape. they chance. their claim is that their

culture in doctor nate's them to become rapists. it's a slur against men. look, i wrote a whole chapter in my book about differences between the sexes. it's the most fun chapter to write. i would be the last to deny that there are many differences between men and women and that men are by nature more sexually aggressive than women and more violent and more promiscuous. but the feminists are trying to catch up. [laughter] if our culture really were teaching men to be rapist with a hard time explaining why rape along with other violent crimes have been declining deeply since the 1990s. moreover we would have a difficult time explaining why men are so often so self-sacrificing when it comes to women. on the plane after i watched these new clint eastwood movie, the 1572 paris which documents the famous case in france where

there was a terrorist who came out of the bathroom on the train and began firing the people. six men leapt up and took him on. three of them were americans. look, that kind of self-sacrificing heroism is a classically male thing to do. you cannot talk about men being toxic without organizing men being honorable, noble and brave. you will not hear that from feminists. [applause] for 60 years feminists have been preaching the mantra that all sex differences are constructive. it reminds me of the george orwell quote, there are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them. [laughter] all of us know from the evidence of our sexes of our senses,

rather, particularly if her parents that some traits are more pronounced in one sex than the other. we had three sons which meant that we had to get used to a certain amount of property damage and trips to the emergency room in our house. it meant that i had to endure endless videos of road construction machinery when the boys were each about four years old and meant that i had to smile as best i could when we went to the zoo and the boys headed straight to the reptile house every time. in case you don't trust your common sense, there are scientific papers on sex differences. everything from brain organization to set up to be to these and responses to drugs. of course it's true that socialization affects behavior to some degree there are certain things that show up so early and are so universally observed that they cannot be said to be anything other than innate.

baby girls, for example, respond more strongly to the sound of a human in distress then baby boys. four-month old girls can distinguish photographs of people they know from those they do not wear boys of the same age cannot. baby boys are more interested in girls in three-dimensional shapes and in blinking lights. there are many other examples. women have a much superior sense of smell and the sexes have certain traits. researchers who study preferences across cultures and across continents have found that just by knowing what a person is looking for intimate you can identify his or four sex with 90% accuracy. men want women who are young and beautiful and women to do want then with resources. [laughter]

this is true in bangladesh in boston and berlin in beijing, so it's hard to say it's a matter of culture. it might me of the story of a man who was getting punchy in his life so he joined the gym to get in better shape and approaches the manager and says i'd like to work out on the machines and lose weight what can you suggest? he says come to the stairmaster and this will get you going. he tries at and says good, i like the missing but what about something for my shoulders. men should have nice broad shoulders. sure, i'll take you to the weights. he did that for a while. while he was working on the weights a woman walked in with beautiful long auburn hair was very shapely and dropdead gorgeous. everyone was looking at her. our punchy middle-aged guy elbows the owner of the place and says tell me, do you have machine here you can make a woman like that interested in a man like me?

and the manager says i absolutely do. he walks over to the atm. [laughter] "-right-double-quote of course, in some cases it's hard to say what innate or culture but my husband has a teacher that reads my wife says i have two faults, i don't listen and something else. [laughter] feminists fear the science on sex differences because they prefer and then drawn from this world, a world in which feminist says obligatory sexualities and sex roles are swept away in one sexual anatomy is irrelevant, who one is, what one does and with whom one makes love. that project is to reject the mother, father married family. kate millet quoted frederick

ingle for approval quote, the family must go. in 2012 feminist and mother of two children by different fathers condemned concerns about single motherhood. if there's anything that currently oppresses the children if the idea of the way families are supposed to be. that is what the feminists lane. alternative families work only for a tiny minority. most women and children in men as we are discovering more and more the traditional family remains the gold standard. married adults are much happier and healthier and wealthier than their single, divorced or widowed contemporaries. when it comes to children those raised by their married parents compared to others are the differences are off the charts. recent studies about the effects of fatherlessness have revealed

that the rise of single parent, which usually means mother only family, has had even worse conferences for boys than for girls. father absent in african-american home leads to more mental health and behavioral problems for boys than it does for girls. two mit economist studied brothers and sisters born in florida between 1992 and 2002. they found that for the boys growing up in a home without their fathers when they were much less likely to attend college or to be employed when they reach adulthood than their sisters were. they were less ambitious, the boys. a simple and more likely to get into trouble at school than fatherless girls. men have a critical role when it comes to raising children and i go into this in the book. there's a special elixir that men bring to the job of parenting that is natural to them and turns out to be incredibly important for the

good development of both sexes, girls who grow up without fathers seem to have more problems with self-esteem or more likely to get pregnant as teenagers and boys apparently really need that roughhousing that fathers do with their little boys when they are young. it turns out to be incredibly important for boys development of self-control, later in life. everything is connected. when more boys are growing up without fathers there are fewer young men who become the kind of adult women want to marry, educated, employed, non- drug abusing and not involved with the criminal justice system. without the grounding a marriage men become disconnected from society. women, of course, are worse off after a divorce, usually it's women who suffer the decline in income, not the men. 40% of american children are now born to single mothers.

this rate of nonmarital births combined with the nation's high divorce rates means that about half of all american children will now spend the childhood in a single-parent home. social scientists across the political spectrum have agreed that this family chaos is destructive. in 2017 the poverty rate for female-headed families with children was 36.5% compared to 7.5% for families headed by a married couple. now, i loved being a mother but i cannot imagine how it would've coped if i'd been a single mother. when i say that marriage gives women emotional and financial stability i met with coughing from feminists and others who claim to want to turn the clock back. but the clock has nothing to do with it. consider the situation of most college graduate women in america right now. they tend to follow the same pattern of marriage that their

mothers and grandmothers did. they follow what sociologists are called the 6x equals. they finish their education, get a job, get married and have children in that order and only in the order. they really divorce. so, these women commonly choose to work part-time or not at all when their children are young. and they tell all the feminists that these women, these doctors, lawyers, engineers, businesspeople are living in a 50s style homes and that this is what turning back the clock means. look, feminism may not have rejected marriage and family stability to achieve greater market opportunities for women. i think i'm the first to point this out in this book that the trend of women entering the paid workforce predated betty fernandez feminine mystique and

arguably owes more to the shift toward information economy than to the sisterhood. between 1940 and 1956, the air at the feminists eight women were so oppressed, the number of women in the workforce doubled. a sociologist daniel bell noted in 1956 women were to be found in nearly every field from railroad train to baggage handlers to auctioneers. it's a great boon the women's professional talents are valued now or than in the past. to the degree that feminism give a boost of self-confidence, it can take a bow. but women also want any the stability and security of marriage and the profound fulfillment of motherhood. in 2015 feminist amanda objected that the republican worldview was one that even basic things

like love, connection and other basic human needs were being reclassified as privileges that should be available only to the wealthy. well, she's right that key to human flesh fishing but she failed to account for feminism's role in putting those things further out of reach. betty free dan was one of the second wave feminist leaders who had children and later in life she largely recanted her family views. the feminist narrative places and excessive focus on the burdens rather than the pleasures of femininity. i talk in the book about this stupid 77 cent statistic and this is the rasputin of statistics and it cannot be killed and you can stab it and garrett it and drown it you can't kill it. no, women do not earn 77 cents on the dollar compared with men. you only get the number if you compare although it is a man and

compare it to all the wages women and that's an absurd comparison because you have to compare like with like. the national bureau of economic research to show when you compare young men and women just starting out in their careers who have the same training, education and skills the wage gap virtually disappears. the reason it shows up later is, surprise, women choose to work less when they start having kids. married men, by the way, work harder and more ambitiously when they become fathers. nearly all mainstream treatment of these matters incorporates the assumption that women are earning less over their lifetimes they are the losers. ...

learning disability for a daughter with a social crisis at school. isn't the whole family happier and healthier innocent civil society? besides come as gratifying as it can be, most women have jobs, not careers. the number of americans attending college is growing, but even in 2017, the portion of women with a college degree was still only 34%. is it really progress to encourage a high school graduate to turn her baby over to some other high school graduate so she can go manage checkout counter? more affluent and that usually means married mothers who have a choice prioritize raising children. throughout the western world come even in countries like scandinavia and israel. i know scandinavia is a bunch of countries, but you get that appeared in israel that offer or

have offered inducements to couples to split childcare 50/50 , women continue to shoulder the lion share of caregiving. a 2013 "new york times" survey asked if money were no object and you are free to do whatever you wanted, would you stay at home, work part-time or work full-time? children under 18, only 27% said work full-time. a pew survey found that married mothers that the most choices, 76% preferred part-time employment or no work outside the home. so what we are witnessing sadly as the creation of a caste system in america. clement high school dropouts, 57% of births are nonmarital. that compares with 9% among college graduates. this is one of the most important fact is that our

rising inequality. single mothers cannot afford the luxury part-time work. they live one illness, one crime, one rent payment away from disaster. america holds the dubious distinction of leading the world in chaotic of the relationships he had 40% of american children will see their parents arrangement dissolved by the time they reach their 15th birthday and 47% will see a new partner entered their home within three years of their parents separation, which it turns out is very bad for kids. in the old atheist to talk about wicked stepmother is an now the most likely going to come into a child's life is the wicked stepfather. not saying they all are, that children who live with a nonrelative, living with their mother or 50 times as likely to be abused as children living

with their own biological parent. perhaps due to feminism or attachment to the revolution or the deep-seated american reverence for freedom, we are reluctant to confront the price of neglect the duty and commitment. too many in our society encourage us to believe that their identity and validation must come almost entirely from our profession. let me speak for myself. my own work at its best has been stimulating and very gratifying. my husband and three sons are the treasures of my heart. given a little luck, most of us can expect to live long lives. there's time enough for raising a family and pursuing a career, the grownups must acknowledge there are always trade-offs. the world will never shower the kind of adulation upon good mothers and fathers for successful entrepreneurs are reality tv stars.

young people make in choices about their future should know they getting their personalized or it is more important career choices. one more thing. serving others is a privilege that calls forth our best selves. when i was caring for my children, even at moments of high stress, and there were many, i felt a deep sense that this was where i belonged. for me, and i believe for others, giving, not having is the key to happiness and peace. thank you. [applause] >> thank you very much. really excellent. you see her lovely ushers walking in the aisles and if you

raise your hand, they will also come by and collect them. >> you let him speak? if you look at several organizations. the american association league of women voters are very much to laugh then yes they are given more natural or middle of the road. is there anything we could perhaps do to expose them or do something on the other side because that seems to be a very prestigious group that are not in the middle. >> yeah, it is true. i would just say that there is a little bit on the part of conservative women where they say of course i'm a feminist.

and that gives them too much power i think. it is better to say do i believe in women's equality? absolutely 100%. in my feminist? no because of what the feminist movement has done. despite those statistics about the majority of american women reject political nemesis, does that mean they reject equality? obviously not. >> without getting too deep into this, how could it not be on a lot of people's mind. >> to me to movement is being portrayed as another step in the feminist movement. i think that is a misinterpretation. my interpretation of the #metoo movement is that it is a long delayed, but never the less real

rebellion against the revolution and what came before. women are saying we are tired being part in the abuse and then assuming that it was part of the deal when i hire you as an assistant or whatever else. hollywood is always play by its rules. the notion that anybody thought he could get away with things they'd get away with for years asking women to come to a hotel room for a business meeting, no. women have been denied the tools to reject men's advances in a way that was understood. when we discussed in the podcast whenever social support for women keeping their distance and forcing men to behave like

gentlemen. she could give a lot of reasons. i'm not that kind of girl my parents would like it. my boyfriend wouldn't like it. and i don't want to get a reputation. she could say any of those things. it will be seen as some sort of rejection rather than an inappropriate request. a lot of them last, highly turn someone down without hurting their feelings. it has gotten really, really difficult for them. honestly, this makes me feel old, but i'll tell you the story through a quaker college campus they went and did a survey, which frankly anybody would know this with any common sense.

they did this experiment could they took an attractive young woman and young men who were conspirators and experiment ever given a clipboard and put them on a college campus in the attractive young man approached by men inside a variety of things. would you go out with me? would you have sex with me tonight? and one other thing i can't remember. the attractive women did that with a man. and they gave the responses. x number of men, 45% go out on a day. 55% said they would go back to room for sex. they said things like why do we have to wait until tonight. [laughter] and women said things like what is wrong with you [laughter] guess that the percentage that agreed to go back to the room for sex? zero. >> wow, that's encouraging.

>> a wonderful segue here. how can we return to a time of respectful ladies and gentleman gentleman relationship and is it even possible and i recall in your book is a university professor that make people go one day. >> so i think colleges have a big role. they have been cheerleaders. there is a big sex week at yale. they have displays of sex toys and when my sister-in-law dropped my nephew off to college, she went into the common room and reached into a basket to take out a wrapped candy and got really embarrassed to realize it was a wrapped. that is the atmosphere that the universities have created. why talk about in the book is this professor at boston college who decided she had a seminar where she learned.

they started to make dating part of the curriculum. it has spread like wildfire. first of all, she's not the relationship guru at boston college, keri cronin. people don't even take her class, and ask advice. but the kids really love it and they spend time going over how difficult it is to make yourself vulnerable. she said first of all, it had to be over by 10:00 p.m. you had to ask them you're truly interested in, not just a friend. there can be no alcohol consumed and you couldn't see a movie because that would not involve talking. so you could go after dinner. you could go for a walk around the lake, anything like that. they were incredibly enthusiastic and she is now spoken on 70 college campuses to spread the word that there is

this thing called beating and everyone seems to enjoy it. so there is hope. >> one of the things i enjoy is when a speaker comes out of town and we wonder if the group if the local story has made about and are you familiar with the stanford campus where there was a charge and the woman was unconscious at the time and the judges actually recalled. have you heard about it? >> i have heard about it. it is actually mentioned in my book. this is something where the right has a tendency to go wrong. they say all these stories on campus is just regretted might just regretted sex him and just exaggeration just hysteria. there is a tremendous amount of hysteria and misrepresentation and massaging the data to make it become one in four, one in five, which is ridiculous.

but there is a tremendous amount of really bad behavior going on and rape. it shouldn't surprise us. we conservatives know if you change all the rules and make a drunken hookups the social life of choice, that is going to be a golden opportunity for the worst guys. they prey on freshmen women in experience, get them drunk and this girl was passed out and he was caught in the act, which is very rare. usually these things don't happen outside. this one did. >> this is pretty easy. how do you feel about the ideas being pushed in elementary schools are young children being not which gender do they feel like on any given day. >> so, this is another subject i do talk about in "sex matters." i think the moment is the

logical extension of the feminist argument that began in the 60s and 70s that all differences between men and women are socially constructed. when you start from that premise, which is then prove to be wrong, but that never stops them. you then can easily get. i don't know if it's so easy. to say well, here is actually what happens. they claimed that there were no sex differences on awful stories in the book about howell badly wrong that has taken us. science caught up to them. all of these studies have been done, both on humans and animals in the last 50 years that there were tremendous numbers of differences to train men and women, male and female. what they did a sneakily change the terms. they said okay fine, differences between male and female, but this other thing called gender and gender is fairly subject is.

so you can look anatomically female, and that be a gendered male and so on then there's a spectrum and now when you fill out applications on facebook or something, they give you 57 choices of what your gender is. it requires very sensitive handling. there are children who have gender dysphoria who are confused about their sexuality and they require careful, sensitive therapy. but the mania that has seized our country and to say that people two, three, 4-year-old can tell you that they are a person of the opposite of sex is crazy. it's crazy for a number of reasons.

one, children go through stages. as i told the book, i myself when i was a little crow was a bit of a tomboy and i wanted everyone to comey to me. i thought being a boy would be great. imagine if a little crow today were to say that. but her parents be counseled by the school and the doctors that if they don't encourage their child in this idea that she's going to be depressed. i grew out of it very quickly and most kids who express this gender dysphoria, the vast majority granted this especially after. now we are doing crazy interventions where we block with drugs and so on and so worth address the chart of the opposite sex and cut their hair as the opposite sex and that itself will do tremendous damage. i can go on and on and i will cut it short. it is all in the book.

>> i don't know if you then know the answer, but someone wants to know if it's true that women in the u.s. but most of the property or how is that even calculated. do you have a sense of that? >> i don't know the answer to that and it may be complicated by a few individuals. so i'm not sure how that would work out. women have 52% of the managerial positions in our society and they are 80% of the veterinarians in school right now and they are dominating many, many field and good for them. as i said, it's not good for anybody if men are falling behind and they are. >> this question is interesting. i'm off enough time has elapsed regarding title ix and the development of reducing the investigation of claims of rape

biphenyls on college campuses has an effect where rape can be defined as anything from regret the next morning or anything like that. at the detriment of young men. >> cell, betsy devos did change the rules. many of the colleges have instituted them voluntarily. they are no longer saying they are complying with the governments guidance issued issued under the obama administration. they are doing it voluntarily so they will ignore what the federal government says and then in states in california and legislate those same standards. it is good that the education department has backed off, but it is unclear to me how much good that will do at this point because it complements them. >> here is a name i haven't heard in a long time. the question was what impact would you place on the report

with contraception and all of the other social ills that grew out of that. >> someone read the book and knows that i talk about the kinsey report. so, the kinsey report, the hite report coming whole bunch of other things that were mainstream, even dr. spock. a lot of these things have been shown. if they were to come out now, they would be completely debunked as junk science. kinsey was a weirdo who filmed his students having sex in his father and was into some very strange things himself. and he massaged his data in a very dishonest way. that yet, he is constantly cited as a mainstream scientists is somebody who changed america's conception of what was normal

sexuality and it's gotten very little attention in the years that have gone by but it was not true. >> this question is somewhat timely because of the nomination of judge kavanagh, soon to be just as another hysteria we've heard about, roe v. wade. lincoln said that the nation half slave and half free, but if roe v. wade were overturned, is there a way states would sort this out? some federal level and at the state level. >> yes. i think in all likelihood that i wasn't sure i would ever see, which is that in the legislatures and the people have to make some tough decisions rather than handing it off to nine letters in the supreme court seen you do it.

that will be a very healthy thing for our country and democracy. there will be plenty of republicans who will be powers of jell-o on this event fundraising for decades about overturning roe v. wade. when the opportunity presents itself, they may get cold feet and it would be very unpopular. it's going to be an interesting fight and states will differ and i think that is what the founders intended and i think it will be as i say very welcome bit of cleansing. [applause] >> so here's a little tongue-in-cheek. if all difference between sexes are socially constructed, shouldn't men and women be merged? >> yes, absolutely. it is not fair.

i have a little fun in the book talking about the battle of the sexist in the 1970s where billie jean king made and they had this big anniversary of the on nbc or abc going on and on about how this changed the world. it changed everything. i said change the world? then still only play men and women still play each other. i wonder why. billie jean king was the three-time champion. she was in her prime but she was playing this wash the guy who was the 15 years or 20 years her senior. even then there were stories that maybe he threw them out. i don't know. he had defeated marker right before hand. in any event, she would never have challenged her dear to challenged the reigning male for her year.

it would be ridiculous. if they want us to appreciate how smart they are, they might start by not arguing about things that are made stronger than women. [laughter] >> if i remember, did one of the williams sisters make a statement to that effect? >> she did. good for her by the way. >> that has been. please help me think chairmen when my time -- mona charen one more time. [applause] in a few minutes, mono will drop down to the signing table. she will be happy to sign them for you or purchase them and find them again. thank you for a match. see you next month.

good evening. [inaudible conversations] >> here's a look at books being published this week:

>> i am rating for the second time, by the way, david graham's book. and i don't usually read books that are on the bestsellers list. i like to go off into the wilderness. but it do great book about the

stage indians for an end of the second decade to beginning of the third decade of the 20th century who were pillaged. in fact, murdered in order to get land that they owned because it was audio. it happened at a very interesting time in american history if you remember. it's the beginning of the 20s, 1920s. secretary hall was getting off of public lands to private developers, navy oil reserves in wyoming. this is opening up in deafening corruption. and in this book, it david points out very, very clearly in this particularly -- particular

incident, there is murder, conspiracy. in one of my favorite writers said about conspiracy, in his book, he wrote this. a conspiracy is everything in ordinary life is not. it begins by game, and we are the flawed ones, the nsa trying to make some rough sense of the daily jostle. derian beyond our reach. all conspiracies at the same taut story of men who find coherence in some criminal act.

i couldn't find a better definition of conspiracy and a place. what we were doing is not only being prejudice across the indians, which americans have a knack of, but also taking what was deserving of them. oil was discovered and we come along, the conspirators in order to get back. if we have to use murder to do it, we will do it. so many of these tribespeople were killed and murdered, poisoned. doctors had conspired to judges had to conspire, lawyers had to conspire. this was a true conspiracy and if i told you the story before this book came out, you would've said that's crazy. that could have happened here. by the way, this gave way to the fbi. jay edgar hoover fumbled with the conspiracy in the 20s, was

trying to make sense of it. not until a texas ranger really came to help him. there is a story and another self about how he pursued it persistently and how people were keeping quiet about it. this is a real conspiracy against an indian tribe. .. >> or on facebook. booktv on c-span2, television for serious readers. [inaudible conversations] [applause]