>>host: inside the museum on the second floor from president theodore president theodore roosevelt is a quotation with her book of any kind written in english has ever affected the whole life of people.

how is that reflected here? diffis that reflected here? >> the bible. >> the bible museum looks at three different angle angles of the influence of the bible what does the story talk about in the history of this book as it spreads around the world through translation anddwhat is finallye influence and the ripple effectr as it is translated to go into an herent cultures and certainlc in westernisto culture the storf american history is full of many people interacting with the bible and the difference that im made within thoseericanture, cua certainly roosevelt is looking over the society and differentrh dynamics but also using the bible to branch out across the whole globe with different whole globe with different

>>host: one ripple effect is its own literature that is what we want to talk about today how ist the bible used in western literature? >> it has become so common in fm ordinary discourse we are with iry discourse we are familiar with its themes andow, concepts or ideas and becomes characters, expressions.sort so this becomes a pretty familiar repository that riders can draw upon for different reasons as well tee7 let's look at some of the books you have on display what is this book about east of eden and what is thep influence? >> here we have our display seta up putting up a selection of books how those titles draw upon those expressions. this draws upon genesis four,

verse six with the story of cain and abel and in the bible you have god sending kane out to the east and banishing him after he broke the code of conduct to tell his brother. s so steinback and his total narrative draws upon this novel of good and evil and the aher struggle between brothers tryina to please theirnd father so steinback is able to pick up on >> the sun alsole to pick up on this title to give an extra meaning. remark, time to love and a time to die.ime to love >> yeah, for mark, the title, a

deeply meaningful book, starts with vanity and struggle of finding where do we find meaning >> where do we find meaning of life and a life full of toil? in ecclesiastes chapter two verse three there is a time to be born in a time to die. picking up on the difference of times to do different things. for mark, the volume is looking back on this german soldier that is coming back from furlough. all you see around you is carnage. it is in that, that they are rekindling a relationship of

love. in this devastation there you can find love. they're building on that in the sense of toil, struggle. >> host: there is a fiction book that we have talked about. there is also nonfiction. let's talk about the holocaust survivor. all rivers run to the sea and the sea is never full. >> they are drawing all rivers run to the sea and its two volumes in their pulling on ecclesiastes verse one or chapter one verse seven this is never fallen you constantly have this sense of trouble and toil.

at the same time, there is hope. so this cycle and the atrocities of the holocaust it's also looking at the life after war when he gets involved in social social justice. this evoked constant hope and he himself tried to fuel the suffer does not seem to be disappear. in the hope does not distinguish either. >> there did looking with world war i or world war ii even in our recent history and we spoke about this from ecclesiastics

there's a lot that expresses. >> host: wears ecclesiastes in the bible? this is most is attributed to king solomon it's this ancient israel in this greater reflection as they thought the material was reflecting on israel's view of celebrating it is this great sense is god really favoring us is god really

following him so their own sense of ethics and morals. >> when you join the museum in 2015 before it opened, have you been surprised at the number and breath of books that use the bible"? >> it's been a big education for me. i came from a background of some of the different writers within the books and what they are really expressing this intertextuality which we have seen of moderate literature i did not study a lot of recent literature outside of high school classes like most of us do.

i was able to see and work with number of different professors who spent a lot of time, we have two advisors from baylor university, one from lester that spent time in the classroom. that is not what i majored on in college. invoking the different ways it's drawing on a biblical theme is interesting and never ending. >> the museum of the bible just opened in november of last year. about 30 million bibles are sold every year to number one bestseller book in the world.

our goal for the next hour and a half is to talk about literature the bible and how it is used in modern literature, ancient literature. if you want to participate here's how you can. you can call in we will get those calls in just a few minutes. i wanted to ask first about the exhibit that you have on band bibles? >> it is an exhibit. it went through its own learning curve of how we wanted to present it. originally they thought let's do an exhibit on persecution. we realize we wanted to take a different term. this whole exhibit is here to

talk about the influence the bible has had on people. because of that, we wanted to look more specifically at how when the bible is translated it goes into different societies it leads to identity and community transformation. people look at themselves differently. different ethics or morals within the larger society. so what happens when people are different than the larger regime they are a part of? we focus some stories the soviet times, during the red china as well as older times when you had feuds between protestants, catholics and they were persecuting shoes.

the majority is oftentimes looking down to the minority groups in trying to squash them and to make sure they do not get out of line. >> is the bible the most band book ever? >> arguably you could say so. books are often times caught in the crossfire. many have been burnt but it's usually the book that represents the people that are the target. during the holocaust you had many books to burn, not just the hebrew and the writing for the jews, a lot of other cultural books that were viewed as dangerous were caught in the fires. certainly, the bible horse may be outdated burned on many occasions. >> another exhibit is the

gutenberg printing press. >> that led to an explosion in literacy. it influenced the rest of world society. essentially, gutenberg was not completely novel as we might as soon. for centuries you had the chinese and koreans like working to build the press but it was gutenberg that really turned it into a machine that was replicated ball and certainly the first in western europe. when he put together the printing press and a gold worker who had fine skills and being able to put the letters together into a form, is set of and

inspired a revolution. they were able to start printing books and it led to it and economy in price there was a greater demand to send books and bibles to people in other languages. there have been bible translations that started in the first century. even before that, the jews translated into the third century. there have been translations in the had slowly grown. after the printing press led to an explosion of the opportunity. >> what was the version of the bible? >> this was prior to that time. gutenberg was renting on a latin bible that was part of that

tradition. >> is gutenberg printed here at the museum. >> we have a section of the bible. there's a number in existence. the library commerce has the full version. our goal has been to set out several sections of it in a larger exhibit, including a table that allows kids to put letters together. our focus is to let them have an opportunity. >> just to give people a sense of where we are, where we seated now? >> close to the opening of the impact of the bible exhibit. we have four different sections on the impact floor. the floors 55000 square feet total. we have a fly through washington

which is really a ride and people stand on the platform and people give you that experience with sound, water and take you through 11 different places in washington that features inscription and the bible in the world which has 23 pavilions with different topics. the influence on languages and film, music a couple of topics were talking about here. >> and our focus is bible and literature. let's talk about other books they had on display here. that includes this house of -- >> what were focusing on his giving people an introduction to how so many volumes up alone

biblical quotes and ideas for their titles. she pulled on ecclesiastes seven verse four. she's talking about the heart of the wise and the house of mourning. either is a social critic writing about this lavish and excessive elements in this gilded age. how the wealthy was really destroying beauty and the value through their materialism. on one hand we have many expectations of the life of glitz, glamour popularity. she is actually going back to ecclesiastes to find language to say that we find it meaning

through morning. coming face-to-face with our challenges and struggles. >> i think many viewers will understand the name of this next book when you talk about the needles i. >> this comes from the quote of matthews 1924 which says it's easier for a camel to go through the aisle of the needle than for the rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. her discussion on the values and social status of the rich and poverty and how she is drilling into this poverty and why these people find value in that versus an automatic assumption of comfort to reaches..

>> i think literary writers drying on the bible is able to pull off a quotes and be able to bring it into a new setting and get give it new meaning. we compel it in an give our own different spin to it. i think throughout time there has been arguments against her the value of poverty you think of social movements that have been important to caring for the poor witches a large topic in the bible, it is without dispute that the folks have taken these

things and debated on them. that's what has led to this rich history of interpretation. >> what is now praise famous men. a nonfiction book that came out to 1941. what is the book? >> the title is drawn from ecclesiastes chapter 44 verse one they talk about now let us praise famous men and also praise those who have no memorial. by default, part of the value of this when he first read it you're probably imagining the popularity. i think they're able to turn this on its head, the expectation because they're

talking about the sharecroppers family that are trying to elude death in the deep south. this inherent dignity of people within their poverty and hardship and these are the people that have no memorial. i think it is this volume to celebrate the dignity of the people. >> are these authors in your view from what you seen, are they well-educated with what's in the bible? >> that's exceptional question. the reality is not necessarily because the bible has become so prevalent through western civilization authors are often able to grab expressions without being deep in their own interpretation. because things are familiar is

for them to pull on things a lot of these titles are not necessarily familiar to most people a lot of times you have writers and critics because it has been such an important source of literary thought. but throughout many generations. in that literary thought has taken any twists and turns in your own day and your deeply thoughtful of the social justice issues and it becomes because of the bible itself it presents different views and different topics. the writer as we have mentioned

there's these different things that seem to be happening you carry different portions of the book and ask, they say the same thing. it becomes a book with fuel to draw from. >> some of these include the lord of the flies, wrinkle in time, mott madeline, some of the other books. let's hear from william in louisiana. >> caller: good afternoon. i wanted to ask about the 1611 addition of the king james bible.

i had heard i wanted mr. polisher to see if it contained first and second maccabees and if he could comment on the bible. >> this 1611 version of the bible. >> what is that? >> we often called the old testament apocrypha or jewish writing that was written in different locations around the area of israel and egypt further west. expressing different views of the juices they were spread around. the christian bible for many generations predominantly

featured these books in the old testament. it was included in the translation that the christians of the western church used as a basis for their bible. it was not until the protestant reformation that some of those reformers when they started going back to original languages and translating that they went back to the hebrew bible that did not include the jewish writings. they debated if it should be included. many of the english translations that happened did not include the up apocrypha but it was still included in a number of translations and even until today these writings are common for the catholic bible as well

as eastern orthodox christians in several additions that they haven't different communities. >> michael from fayette alabama. >> good afternoon. i've heard about the museum of the bible through movie, radio and american family radio but did not know this was the first day of its opening. speaking of that, you here too often of the word of god through protestant leaders and holy mother church from catholic leaders, i am sick and tired of these leaders not telling you i want to prove that a christian can take the bible seriously but think for himself or herself. i'm glad you answered a question about the apocrypha so which are

the books that the old testame testament, the scribes did not include, and know the book of nick is one. >> host: thank you. >> there are additional books, there is a collection and they actually range and you have different books within eastern christian orthodox volumes as well. the answer is not extremely simple, there often times over a dozen different books. unfortunately we have a large display where you can look at the different cannons you can find that people have around the world today.

we would encourage you to come, we would enjoy your visit. >> this is not opening day of the museum we are just here a book tv talking about literature in the bible. the next call is from florida. >> caller: good afternoon. i called up task one question tonight got me on another one. i'll try to be quick. my understanding is regarding of what you're referring to is the apocrypha ptolemy wanted two copies of every book in the world. and the rabbis put the book together. now, all of those old books that are not in the protestant old testament now. in orthodox jewish friend of

mine i asked him one day if the dead sea scrolls included the books not in the catholic bible and he said no they were not. he called me five minutes later and said i have a confession to make. i was hoping those books would not be in the dead sea scrolls, but they were. my other question, could you explain to everybody the misunderstanding regarding the catholic church the bible prior to the protestant rebellion of 1517 and the printing press. the catholic church to wanted but it's read the bible when in reality in to make one bible cost a fortune so they have to change it so people would chain it up so people would not steal the bible. when the printing press came

out. >> host: you seem to have a deep knowledge of the bible's history, why is that? >> number one, i'm roman catholic, but that's not why have a deep knowledge. i used to do radio shows, religion politics and culture. anytime i had a thought i would research it and do a show on it. that's how i happen to do a show on the subjects i am mentioning right now. i should probably mention -- >> to your question, there is a history of complicated. there's one reason for. one important topic is the issue of literacy. the middle ages literacy was

slow and access to the bible was very visual. you think of stained-glass and it was communal. you think of the cathedral is something people do together. when the printing press comes along it opens new challenges for literacy that will revolutionize society. that is a topic that's important task. >> host: another presidential quote is woodrow wilson quote no study is more important to the child in the study of the bible and of the truth which it teaches. >> guest: for many centuries and in our earlier years we're talking about literacy, the bible was part of this motivator

as subjects that were studied. many people wanted to spread education as a tool for education as those early years of development that the bible was largely this main source varieties to be able to supplement and illustrate the bible is a very common source of ideas and expressions. >> there is a term on that's from mcgruff the reader, what

was it. >> i did not read this in a is something that i have learned in the past. the mcguffey reader started creating it in 1830s. these early days of public education you have lessons of education side-by-side but using the bible for these biblical lessons. this is a primary book used throughout the tool. they had to publish over 120 million mcguffey readers. very primary book used in education significant for american history. you have educational lessons side-by-side. these ethical and moral lessons included had a great influence

on shaping the american mind and conscious especially in the earlier days. now it's becoming a distant memory. >> so it would include biblical lessons in the readings. >> it did. that was part of the purpose. there's so many volumes out there. see you can see these very simple side-by-side examples. >> you also have a display of horse man's. >> horace mann, fascinating to realize how the bible had an integral partnership, an association with early public schools. horace mann was one of the leaders in massachusetts and helps with the development of the curriculum.

when they began establishing the supported schools horse man was instrumental in having the bible become part of the curriculum and this resulted in teaching judeo-christian values. talked about responsibility and certainly they had the view that the bible would have an influence. >> host: let's hear from amber. you are on book tv. >> hello how are you? >> host: were fine. please make your,. >> guest: kit. >> caller: can you talk about james baldwin as the societal issues?

>> host: james baldwin? thank you, reminder to our viewers if you're on a cell phone make sure to talk right into it. don't use the speaker, we want to make sure we hear you clearly. james baldwin, i'm afraid i don't have any comments on that one, i would encourage probably reading some of the volumes out there on literature. i know there is an important social critique there even as we are talking about the relationships between different communities and races, i don't feel like i have the confidence to talk about it. >> marion norristown pennsylvania. >> thank you for taking my call. i have eight children and we are a blended family, i was

wondering where you focus on the family, the relation of husband wife and children in the family system. >> host: thank you. >> guest: where we touch on it is you mention jews and christians and people from different cultural backgrounds. you feel like part of the exhibits are to demonstrate how the bible could be part of that discussion and lead to social harmony, as much as the bible

being a part of disharmony it's about how families relate together in different faith traditions in areas around the world, whether it be ireland or india in here in america. we show a little bit a blend there but the point you make is really important. we felt like if you had a much bigger museum you could maybe get to it but unfortunately we were not able to go into depth about how husbands relate to the wives. maybe in the future.

>> 400 30,000 square feet, 2840 items, about half are on display according to the bible museum you take nine hours eight hours a day to tour. >> orlando is in valley. >> yes i was wanting to know why they catholic church change the sabbath day, saturday to sunday. we called the christian and when jesus made the covenant, covenant cannot be broken after the person makes a covenant instead. he works on saturday and even at his death they wouldn't take care of the body of the seventh day. paul preached three times on the

sabbath day that were in some of the places where the church was established. all of the church and then constantine change this because they were still worshipers in rome. >> host: i think we got the point, seth. >> clearly the early christians were jews, they were branch offered judaism they had a fair number of different groups in the followers of jesus became one of those different groups. they would have observed sabbath within the jewish context. by the time we see the book of revelation we see there is this worship on the lord's day which

was celebrating this memory of the resurrection, not sure i know the details but i believe it is pretty early. >> we are on the second floor of the museum of the bible and this is the impact for were talk about literature in the bible, one of the biggest impacts of the bible is on early america and our companion network has taken the full tour of the bible museum. we want to show you a little bit when it comes to the bible in early america. >> this is one of my favorites and i often ask what is your favorite artifact and we have so

many cool things here to look at, one thing i want to talk about is when the columnists first came they were not allowed to print bibles in the early english language. our bibles, the catholic bibles would come from europe they declared their independence in 1776 so this came to the attention that we had a lack of english bibles. one of the colonial printers by the name of robert aiken presented the idea to produce and english texts in america. first in 1777 it was the new testament from the king james bible.

the crowd still holding the rights to this text that would make him an outlaw. there are only two of the first english new testaments in america. one at the new york library or you can come to the museum of the bible and see this one. was reviewed by congress in the past from congress to congress itself and reviewed. they gave robert aiken's permission to print this bible. this would be the first complete english bible ever printed in america. the only bible to receive this by aiken. he no he included the congressional authorization in each of his bibles as a united

states citizen it was forbidden to own a bible not produced in your government has allowed you to all this particular bible. not only did he include the in the text but the original authorization showed that robert aiken included in his text. one thing i find amazing about the bible he tells you how to find him. it is above the coffee shop. there's only one starbucks at the time in philadelphia. but if you find it coffee shop you'll be able to find the printshop of robert aiken. we'll see charles thompson, he is the very first secretary of the continental congress. he signs the authorization. when charles retires he was a

scholar. he produced the first english bible translated in america this would make charles not only the first secretary but also the signatory that showed the authorization of john hancock signature then he would become the very first united states citizen to translated bible in america. an interesting fellow. >> that is a little bit about the bible in early america. that's part of american history tv. tour of the bible museum, you can watch it online at c-span.org. seth is with us here on the second floor of the bible museum. we want to continue the

conversation about education in the bible and its use in schools, universities and christian colleges. >> certainly outside of the united states but also in the united states we mention on our display we have a little bit about martin luther. even back in this 1500s there is an effort to establish christian schools for the purpose of wanting people to read the bible. this is a case where the bible motivates education. we talked about were in motivates opportunity any siebel things happening. that has been happening for

quite a while here in the united states we see this in many communities, the jews in america set up schools, the books of moses is a great it communicates their own identity in the sense of who they are as a community we see that as the african-americans using the bible as part of their book and setting up their school early on. later we have greater immigrations of the slums they will use the quran as well. throughout this we see how important writings are instructed and they want to put these at the center of their education.

>> with the early america education was the bible often the only book in the house? >> i think the most common book because of how many times it was printed. other books as they are printed i don't know if i'm aware of studies that you have books like uncle tom's cabin i think you'll see other books, the bible is not the exclusive book that just happens to be the most common book and you mentioned uncle tom's cabin you have influence of the bible on that there's

often times associations. >> next up will move into the science of the bible literature section. let's hear from james. >> i was curious with the different publications and variations of the bible printed, do any of them refer to the church other than the church of christ or the church of god and thank you for letting me call in. >> why the u.s. that question james. >> i've just never found any church and i was curious as to if there's interpretations change things. >> church often times is a term about the community or gathering of people and you mentioned

church of jesus christ, early on, you have distinctions in the community, the west has the schism with the east any of the eastern and western church in the protestant church later on will split off with the west and have many denominations as well, i'm not sure from hitting on your point, but it will definitely get into some important distinctions that reflects that at least settle if not different sense of identity as time goes on. >> robert with 1961, stranger in a strange land, this is science-fiction. >> the bible has been so influential across different

genres. we highlight the title referring back to exodus to speaking of moses, he runs away from egypt and is running for his life after he's killed in egyptian. so, in this sense, is able to pull on that stranger in a strange land idea and comparing this with the science-fiction and the survivors coming back to this world in post world war iii in the world looking different. another great example that you mentioned of how people can look at the bible for an ancient

expression and he's able to make something new with the. >> seth has a phd the biblical interpretation, where is this located? >> it's outside of raleigh, north carolinas and you have a masters? >> are you a pastor? >> guest: no. it definitely enjoyed the environment of the museum work can be a collegial and civil discussion of how to understand history that's been a great environment. >> paul, good afternoon. >> caller: good afternoon. thank you for having me ask a

question. >> host: what is the question. >> the question is, in this museum, do they have any history of how our bible come to us like the four gospels, matthew mark luke and john were written after the apostles had died. if the bible were the museum has a section on the council in compiling the bible at that time. and all the archaeological finds that have been discovered recently that shows at the beginning of christianity that there were books that used to be in the bible but they have banned those and called the people who read them apostates,

do you have a history section like that in the museum? >> thank you. we do to an extent. these are complicated topics : different theories that even some of the things you mentioned are in discussion. but debatable of what is evidence so what does that .2. our museum exist to give an introduction of some of the topics and factors involved for example, we feature many scripts that demonstrate the four gospels that are traveling with each other a manuscript that showed a luke and damon john beginning. we have a replica of the gospel of mary, so in that time there are many writing circulating, some are being held i've been

shared among different communities. there's factors involved as far as how many communities are reading it save in some of the descriptions you gave, there's complications to. we try to do an introduction to it but they are deeply debated issues. >> anthony tweets and what part of the bible comes from an oral and what from a written source? >> guest: it's a complicated topic. the early societies literacy is extremely low. it is an oral tradition. they are passing traditions through the generations. they have systems of memorizing's. memorization is not the way we

may think of it. you almost have to learn about how this society develops. we see floors like the fun story with noah and the ark sounds a little different but many similarities is that stories passing through. again, the topics are very important even in how the bible was understood by the hebrew people and how we understand it today. >> this is located just south of the mall of washington, d.c. it is open seven days a week, the next call is joe texas. >> the previous caller almost all my question and that is, i

would like for you to comment on the inclusion in the exclusion of angels in the bible and i'm hanging up second. through the tv. >> guest: the hebrew bible has had this early idea of angels throughout their literature, christian literature as well would have continued that tradition. during the second temple time of jewish writing to have the development of apocalyptic literature which will have a more developed sense of angels and celestial dimension. later on it will tie into questions on how that relates to another tradition. the actual angels in celestial

demons in these kind of things is probably a regular concept that developed more in the second temple time and continues to be a fascinating topic today. time back into the literature, it's an area where we don't necessarily see. it's fruitful for imagination and even talking about the writings earlier, many are attempting to fill in gaps in understanding. there many stories being told. the writing springing together different ways of understanding how angels and agents are interacting with human history. >> a lot of potential for literature there.

>> guest: porter, and her title, pale horse, pale rider is reef brain to revelation chapter six verse eight, where it says, i look and behold a pale horse in the name that sat on him was death. this was a reference of great distraction, so as she is pulling in this title to give an expression to the catastrophes after world war i with the problems with influence in the pandemics as they look around so for her, she was able to refer to revelation 68. when you refer to a title like that you say will is she

thinking that literally were using that as a symbol. each reader brings their own interests and background to their own understanding of the bible. this loads in extra interactive dimension to how they picking up you know the title. >> you have on display with isaac new's -- interscience pavilion we have three statues with a description of the importance of each person. isaac new and is arguably the most significant scientists of his generation. someone argue of all time. for him it was a volume where he

wanted to express some of his key ideas that turned into modern physics in different elements involved. for him, he saw this i miss an opportunity to demonstrate how his view of god's order and what he read about in the bible was consistent about the signs he was saying. this book has been very important. >> and galileo, here's a quote from this strong number, the bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go. >> galileo was caught up in a dispute on trial with the catholic church. >> host: you are not think of him as someone who is scholar in

the bible's case, i don't think it meant to be a scholar in the bible estimates as it was well-versed because it was part of their culture. that was not the same experience they had. for him, arguably much of the trial was based in politics. and how his ideas were challenging to the larger church structure. we talk about the america and our separation of church and state. that is that a time when church and state are put together and that the ruling body. for galileo part of the pushback was the bible may teach us about religion, but does that mean it needs to be the source of authority on science?

that has been a deeply debatable and interesting question discussed ever since. >> host: jeannie from virginia. >> caller: i have a question. did you believe in the rapture of the church before the anti- chris comes? i do not. . . reasons even tying it back to our goal here, one of the reasons why the bible is so ripe for expressions in literature is the bible is not necessarily always clear, you know, of exactly what it's expressing. sometimes you have different writers that have, just like in modern day writers, you know, they have different points of emphasis, different ways of expressing things. certainly many would agree that the bible disagrees with itself. and so, you know, we read about

this from some of the writings that are a2reub9ed to paul when it comes to the rapture, some will point to the book of revelation. but this is an area where there's different expressions, and, you know, and it will be debated as long as time goes on. and so for myself, it's not an area where, that i have a lot of personal commitment to as much as sort of interest in following where the discussion goes. >> host: and this text from deb says tha the bible is >> thematic the bible is a like the constitution mentioned by d then and hired by the divine byc the same number of peopleo rea whoever cracked open to read even one sentence to have any ds comment?nue >> the constitution is a a reality that is important for

nation and sometimes have thate the supreme court make judgmento so very similar to that the jewish and christian bible it is astonishing and with that amazing reality to have a book that was written on -- a long time ago with that continuity of people interacting we have tou interpret the constitution now i into our own internal disputes o that's exactly what has happened with the bible to say how does this influence our own sense of identityde shape so the constits a very good challenge ofking abo adutditional communities as time goes on.in

>> talk about literature and the bible today coming in from yorba linda california. >> great show i will try to get to the museum one day.anagin in starting this museum did you find challenges to be included or at a specific level and number of friends who are jehovah's witnesses and they have a slightly different translation of the new testament inspired by charles russell but that was influence so were thoso

reconciled and just managing bias from that perspective? look >> managing bias is always difficult. especially with the bible because if you look at the a bie with geographic spread and the continuity of use so each of these people but with the museu. rather he tried to be descriptive instead of prescript of instead of building on one person bias we can prescribe how people havt had to approaches to the bible c and that is what this is dedicated to.tntrol of course the challenge is to se

recognize that and to control that knowing what you are doingo what we tried to do is stay within the our limits the spreae the christian and jewish bible so if you have a new world translation but we put this int context of the expansion of this traditional book we call thethe bible it is very simplistic tohe call it the bible that we puts o into that stream of history. >> do you have a team of literature consultants? r >> great. >> great question. we do. ove throughout each of theset exhibits we have allover 60t iit different scholars that we involve in different places butt

the key in balance but if you have a balance with the museum l dedicated to the bible used by the different people it is important to have dollars those that are critical and confessional because this is the experience of the bibleis have that diversity of people and also the topics so we have threh different scholars that with it. literature i know very little that they know a lot then a b totally different group than wee do for government or human right so t that well and takes about 60 or 100 to have deep involvement anw

i talk about the bible and government exhibits with a presi quotation of another president.o the fundamental basis of the nation's nation law was given to moses on the mound of fro fundamental basis of the bill of rights comes from the exodus teaching get from accident and matthew and people.jucial sys >> clearly allied leaders in ths political system have drawn on the bible and at some time theyd look as inspiration and other times they appealed to appeal to justify the positions they already had cell because it has been a cultural heavyweight in the minds of the populace is

will try to mix to defend theirk position but that is an important idea to realize. >> from 1989 the topic of the>>h book?. >> taking place during world war th ii discussing how they were swe. helping the danes to escape " t sweden but it comes from psalm 147 verse four that sense he held the stars and called them by their names and of course this is in with knowing the youo stars and then the star of david

that yet at the same time god'st knowing the stars to call them by name so there is a dual meaning a dual meaning there that could ascribe to initial significance for jews is far as sa referring back to the jews. so so later on it goes into this team was seen rescue and certainly during world war ii there is a a great struggle how could god care and have all thee suffering and were able to go so go the jews especially are wrestling through our writings at that time and how we keep our hope.hi, >> michigan go ahead spee14 so n have three questions.

i saw the video and can you provide commentary they were saying the crown as though the wind has the copyright rights to the bible. second was the first english bible, didn't did have the '? and have you performed this on the serpent seed as literature religion but justis from the literary perspective i, a couple of callers earlier asked about that apocrypha or if you could be identified that and why are and is a topic that is g

featured in looking for more meaningful ways to describe there is an additional set of books that are included in the bible that the catholic church we the christian church we a sometimes they are the same orwn they very between differentprott eyople reading the bibles todayt protestant do not read that testament of apocrypha and jewsl as well with their hebrew bible for the christian to pick up what was included in that first translation of the hebrew biblew into the greek language we simply the call a complex they

document but that apocrypha has- been included even amongan protestants in some translations and not others and also ask if it was included in the first translation. i'm notot sure if that first include here in america but it did get included in a common versio translation that revised standard version. so even in america or england before that they read the included and who apocrypha before the bible so >> ht: all lot of history. so hopefully we can fill out

thated story. >> he also asked about copyrighg and the serpent seed as well.tao >> there is a number of different what interpretations f significance of this punishment on the serpent or the seed that will continue on. i i'm not a literature professional myself but i would believe that you would have trouble picking up that theme and concept unfortunately i don't know what that is. what'sr caller: y your question or comment? >> thank you. >> thank you for taking my call.e tha

we saw jesus christ executed but it is clear totohas bee me thatg a legal document with human religion do you bridge or expose the fact?uest: yeah >> the bible as a legal document document -- document?st >> in first samuel that people, demand a a key and oftenha challenges that and god's knowledge is the people are demanding a king. you want a king but that wasn't part of god's plan. sho it is fascinating people look to the bible in different places to establish a clear view how wenm. look at life in many ways including government we may get

into it here shortly but so why a nation should have a monarchy to resist government and then to argue for democracy. difnt i think people have found different arguments they appeals to and because of that is very difficult to say.queson and that hasn't stuck for very long tee7 what is your answer to the fiction or nonfiction aspect of the bible? is evening we sense decades andd

a large topic fiction or li nonfiction bible has the bible has served as a huge paradigm to see it referred to history and k looking forward to the future and at the same time and with the critical age to evaluate ana

they both form a rich heritage but here at the museum and then when you look at that both of those end up being important.bio so what value can a bible bring. >> this is from the narratives of frederick. i am left in the hottest howree. save me god delivered me. let me be free. sla and why am i a slave? o frederick douglass was a powerful orator. f

look at him and it is stirring and had to stand up with a great social critique. and often used with thei impression. south and living in a society in the o southf and they are preachers that say they have ordained slavery and sections of theh bible. and that god has cursed a people as they apply to their own context that benefit from the yk

persecution of other people.no that is that the heart of what the bible tries to justice argu? what about the ideas of justice for all people? dis calling for justice and mercy in dispute to these ministers andao the representatives of what the bible is teaching it is a while powerful example how at the same time and same place forrand i different purposes. really and say what do i really think?l

that whole goal is to engage anu douglass was a great example of trying to think through what isf the bible saying at a time like this? a as african americans are being persecuted.odington. >> butts so the question goes to understanding the bible with those political aspects is a sense of a sense of why they were written. that was a track that my focus is on the old testament to go

into the historical and political a part it is a documed to a document to pull the jews together. documen and then put it together as a verticals mig document and thatt would explain that nonfiction aspect. have a >> but according to evidence lot there is a lot of things we just cannot know there is a lot of ideas we can discuss. of, you though the writings themselves l until we get to the dead seas, c

scrolls without specific evidence and then what can wew. so know? and certainly different people have different ideas. you have you jews that will take early dating of the bible.ly with the new testament and why it is important to be place to be open minds for all parties. be for the early history being written down. - - but to your point here is a lot-

of insights into thinking through how the exile coming back from exile to influence their desire and to be expanded on by the christians.thd but as their bible goes to north africa. fro and with clear philosophical elements. dferent but the story of the bible is very different. and differebu tere is no simple answer.oducto then just to give them an topict introduction that they go on to spend many, many years and then to see seriously disagree. cleve

>> so with george w. bush trumal eisenhower b and then recently added to the collection here is a quotation from president carter on the wall, each offf ue to dedicate ourselves to servees the common good.n tt and the future is intertwined. , and in that spirit together. and then to move mountains. m my angeleno and falconer i know that what are those biblical great

>> and then from their younger years. with inspiration and guidance. i it is an important part.e allow with the large interactive com feature and specifically the. a with to show in their writing someon connection where she talk she was exploring hope and to express this through the idea of kingdom come. and that is the illusion to tsus is prayer of the gospelsoo attribute to jesus to teach the disciples how to pray.usses by kingdom come i will be done

to discuss how deuteronomy was ou hfavoriteort to book and hery to even memorize that.se when you have a a book that is thate significant that is what e see with my angeleno. >> what is epsilon? >> great question.se you have picked up in this literature section. and then 1833 and then to save my son my son.so for and is being killed but for falconer with this association s

of king david with a rebelliousd son and this struggle what you do with your son who is tover, pursue david's life. y and then to overthrow him so falconer says during that civils war era in the deep south theret is a great struggle over well between a father and a son. and it is complicated and there is deception. and how do you get out of this?. >> unfortunately we are out of time director of the museum here at the museum of the bible in washington d.c.. and

he has been our guest for the last 90 minutes. >> buys service and the resistance and for them to have their acceptance of me. they did. i was on that drafting committee only because i was a ranking member. also the department of education

and to accept me as an equal and also as their superior. that i could negotiate with the best of them.