out with his book about whitewater the title is the attempt of the memoir of the clinton investigation you can that book by thinking the independent counsel was one of brett kavanaugh?

so this hearing that we will be hearing from him again on monday in his accuser. >> i don't know the accuser but i do know brett capital just to be reaffirmedan of his integrity and his outpouring of those who have support including those who have grown-up with him including a women who say this is not the right kavanaugh that we know where went to school with. there will be the balance and the ultimate judgment and with this one alleged high school with his integrity.

>> judgment the burden of proofcc on monday to prove that it happened is brett kavanaugh to say that it didn't? and i get is the judgment by the deliberative body to go through a process that back and render judgment. i hope that is on the merits of the entirety of the record. this is a very detailed process of confirmation including former fbi investigative reporters all of the public late in the last

say it is a unfortunate to make what is the process with the jury on monday? >> one of the best suggestions is the non- circus atmosphere the best way to have professionals i'm arguing for my old profession but that if we want to get to the truth to have very skilled lawyers during the watergate hearings. >> so how do you end up eating?

>> so this is cool. a school. i want to say that not college or loss or anything in the profession are nothing in the office no suggestion of pattern or practice i think all of these are critical as opposed to one s of an individual based on his entire life. >> good morning. >> you pushed hard for the investigation with those extramarital affairs. so now you pushed back impeachment to the president but also kavanaugh i watch the hearing and in addition to him receiving and also told the

e-mailsrs i question his integrity based on that line of questioning also his support of corporate interest. so why would you push for impeachment with clinton? >> what i did do was the statute that i was appointed required me to do that statute that congress passed that i was appointed by three judges required the independent counsel to report to the house of representatives when any substantial or credible information came to the independent counsel's attentionn so i obeyed the statute down the investigation itself is not understood by the american people that part

of the investigation was authorized by the attorney general she reviewed the evidence as possible perjury on part of the president and then she decided, the attorney general decided to go to the three-judge court to i cannot turned a blind eye to the possibility to the president of the united states committingn crimes. in and we know did and then i had a duty as well so finally with respect to word i said in my testimony with the house judiciary committee describing that longest day for me which was 12 hours on the hot seat

you can take the report and do that you want that trash but i simply said this is my duty to the seizure judgment so that experience you learn from our

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to come home until he the like.

so too with the fairness of everyone involved, including the dignity of the supreme court. this kind of thing should be handled with a keen eye on fairness and i have concerns about the way it has been handled. but we are where we are. in georgia, a republican. good morning. caller: i was wondering why she

waited so long. --hater.trump hader 40 states have voted for him and democrats have been after him from his time, this gal should have come up, she has known where he was but she hates tromso she's going to take down this good man. this is not the christian way. concern understand the we have in this country, but as part of our sense of fairness. statutes of limitation. if you have a complaint about someone you should in fact bring it forward. but i'm not going to criticize the accuser, much less attack the accuser. it lets sort this out. as i have said, we are so let's get to the bottom of things as best as we can. my concern, and this is part of

the fairness concern is that there will eventually be a judgment on the part of the senate that reflects the dignity of the senate and the supreme court of the united states, which is judging the entire record. i heard a united states senator from alabama say that he had been in the process, and he happens to be a lawyer, senator jones. he has been in the process of reviewing the entire body of work of brett kavanaugh. that is as it should be. look at all of his judicial writings in his 12 years, look at his extrajudicial writing, his long review articles, his speeches. it's a vast body. look at his service under president bush, look at the service in the independent counsel's office, that is what a fair and mature representative democracy will day. i fear that what is unfolding right now is a mob and circus

atmosphere. and i hope that wise sages in the senate, which is why we elect them every six years, we want them to take a step back, and we understand the people have strong feelings about this issue. you have expressed strong feelings, the priors caller -- expressed wrong feelings but as for the senate to step back and say this is the right thing to do, looking at the entirety of the record. i want to say one more thing about him. i know brett kavanaugh, i worked with him, i saw him daily in the office. i did not know him in high school. i did not know him in college. i do not know him in law school. but i have known him since he was an adult professional and what you're saying seeing is an outpouring of commentary. with the people who know him who say this is completely out of character of brett kavanaugh.

and that is my sense. heardemployer, i have complaints about sexual harassment, not a hint of on the parte that of brett kavanaugh. he led an exemplary life and we saw that in the confirmation hearings. i hope that exemplary life will be taken into account by the world's greatest deliberative body, the united states senate. host: tom is in connecticut, a democrat. good morning. we lost him. in virginia, on the independent line. the reason i'm calling is because 72 years ago, i was five years old. it was the last school in the early part of june and i was card. home with my report

and a boy started chasing me and i started running and iran into into an alleyan next to a church. and the boy came up to me, pushing against the wall and pulled at my panties. and when he did that i should really hard and flew across the to thediagonally apartment building where i lived. day, i have always remembered that. and i did not tell a single adult. parent,r was my only and he told me things about how to defend myself and not have .eople to bother me

but i was afraid to tell anyone because i knew my father would probably try to find out about that boy and hurt him. but the point is, i never forgot the incident. i saw the boy years later because we moved away from the neighborhood. i remembered his face, and years after that i saw him as a young man running for city council. he was the upstanding young citizen at that time. that, at i'm making is the age of 77, i never forgot that and i was very lucky. the kid was only about nine at the time, but the point is the violation. -- it was a violation. guest: these are searing experiences in what you have

just described is a horror -- and what you had just described is a horror that remains with you. i don't think anyone in this process will gainsay or doubt the importance of hearing a story and for the process of healing and the like, when these kinds of episodes are alleged. my point is very simple, the character we know, and obviously i don't know the person who is running for the city council and your story which is very powerful. but i know brett and your story which is very power fall. but i do know brett cavanaugh. that many women who have veserved with him in the office have known him and to move forward with this outpouring. and with his character after all of the fbi reports, six of them. it is the unblemished record

the senate has before it and that is the record that i saw unfolding when he treated with every person with dignity and respect. brett cavanaugh emphatically denies this episode. he says it did not happen. again city council person situation.ec i respect it is what you say. but what they should appreciate those who have known him for decades and work with him everyd single day never saw any indication so the focus is on this issue especially in that came out in his confirmation hearing to prsee the impediments of professional congress of women in all of these law clerks

come forward to say complete dignity and complete respect to encourage them and helped facilitate professional opportunities for them. so this is totally out of character for the brett cavanaugh admire. >> what about the me to movement quick. >> this was if you think about those who lost their jobs or men whoen had taken advantage of their power position. with all due respect to his many talents bill clinton was never called to account including the possible rape someone to this day says i was raped and not in high school but the attorney general seeking the governorship.

i think president clinton is also being called to account for the abuse of power directed toward women by powerful men. >> good morning s14. hello c-span. you have done a terrific job. i am concerned about the special counsel now not doing a very good job for the country the cia is up to their years of spying so do you think it is time to get the speciall counsel to investigate the investigators quick. >> i appreciate that concern but i know bob miller and have confidence in his integrity.

he is semper fi marine with an exemplary career so i believe in his integrity. i have expressed concerns some of the senior people around him i hope they are leaving their partisanship at the door in the first amendment right to believe whatever they want to believe but in terms of what we have heard that is distressing and disturbing therein are checks and balances in place the system works if you will agree with what eventually happened during the clinton phase these checks and balances he was held

accountable. and with that specific concern those investigations are underway including internally by someone i have great confidence like michael horwitz the inspector general who is a career civil servant and to get to the bottom of things and he has done this to refer matters to the criminal division for possible inspection. finally we have the house and senate intelligence committee that was very much involved looking at certain issuesni pertaining to the

investigation. so be patient and allow this process to run through washingtonec dc. >> mapleton illinois. good morning. >> i will give you a short bio the reason i brought that up and then to be terminated i couldn't tell us about president clinton but there is a reaction and you should be proud because you started something that is continuing today and you will see we can't go back when you start telling people about morality atich is a touchy subject i

never approach it so now you want to see things change a little bit as far as i'm concerned he did lie. so to put them under oath in them when they are caught lying we throw some names homosexual pedophile, david vetter. newt gingrich. are those the kind of people that you want? >> so just hang on this is how the game is played. >> thank you for your service in the army and law enforcement since you are in the land of lincoln with american society and culture and politics. obviously it can be a little

bit ugly but this is not about morality. as a country that believes in the constitution. and then to comment on the checks andnd balances and as a fervent believer that is enshrined in the first amendment but the truth is the truth will come out to assess and evaluate i will be somewhat harsh but it is absolutely true that is demonstrated in the book he did everything he could to keep the truth from coming out. some say it was a moral issue no. he committed perjury and encouraged others to lie whether he was in the process

that wee describe as the abuse of power. so also to mention to former speakers of the house in the united states senator. people are called to account for their actions so i was on my way to the shuttle to new york and the cabdriver that i hop in the cabin the cabdriver i was going to say a west african country and said mister star is that you? >> he said in my country this never could have happened. our leaders can do anything they want they are never called to account.

that is not america. >> you used to be president of baylor university. >> i was fired unfortunately i was dismissed not as chancellor i held two positions. the board of regents made a determination with possible violations of title ix which is an important law that they needed new leadership so i resigned as chancellor of the university because i felt i could no longer work with the board of regents so the fact downi did step voluntarily i was not fired but we need new leadership. so to complete the thought, ththe summer of 2016 so i wrote

a book about my baylor experience. and then said this is a love story.y. and then hillary lost the election to say 20 years coming up for the entire process and now the impeachment process so it's now or never to write this story. >> can start taking your questions good morning. >>. >> for those who are promoting

cavanaugh's exemplary character the same thing could be said for ted bundy. even with those elected officials i'm not saying he is ted bundy but they didn't know the real ted bundy. >> we got your point. >> with all due respect i emphatically disagree talking about a situation as an adult he was living two lives. brett cavanaugh has been an exemplary public servant.

he was not a federal judge ted bundy never went there as far as i know a single fbi background check let alone six so the real brett cavanaugh that we saw the confirmation o hearings it is the person who is generated that people come up spontaneously who went to high school young women who are now mothers to say this is not the character of brett cavanaugh so just accepting that argument let's just look at the high school episode what we hear is all these tributes tomo his character that has continued for these many decades.

>> if that is true should brett kavanaugh get the appointment to the supreme court quick. >> i will let answer a hypothetical. it will not be proven it will be her best recollection and he will say i denied that. and to say i don't want in any way to criticize or attack the accuser that i hope fairness to everyone involved in the process just ass we ask for fairness and with that process because talking about the dignity of the supreme court and the allegations of a single episode in high

school. people need to look at the balance and the career of brett kavanaugh. >> good morning. i haveve two or three points but several years ago there were a bunch of kids that went to therapists that they were sexually molested. and then to find out today that is not true. so i am wondering how much the therapist had to do and it's very specific she is a trump

hater. >> so we will take those points. and those words that i frequently invoke including myself is lincoln with the second inaugural but he appealed to the higher natures of our being. we want fundamental fairness so to make sure so with that subject of accusations is treated dispassionately i will not make any comparisons but you are absolutely right lives were were ruined by false accusation accusations. i have been involved in the innocence project.

those were on death row factually innocent not a legal technicality we want fairness in this country and that's what i try for here at the and tethe nature and range of his contribution. he has never been accused until the senate confirmation hearing to talk about one dimension of that but he has led a life of complete integrity and absolutely firmly denies not that the episode happened but the perpetrator and never acted that way. and then to rally around them

we knew him then we know them now. >> with the last caller since july she really is a disgrace and it is an embarrassment just to destroy his character. i totally agree that his character is without blemish. come on. it is like a witch hunt. >> i will not get into any characterization i do appreciate your point of view. there is a genuine process concern especially i will say it i wish diane feinstein

would have been fair to her fellow senators and to brett kavanaugh? >> of course because look what has happened she chose not to act on this information and that she had. she had in july and does not act on it until september? >> and in a way that gives credence to those whos believe this is political. but it gives credence to those who believe this was the last ditch effort i am not saying that but this kind of process violation this failure to respect orderly process we just want to focus on these allegations. >> what about not wanting her

identity known that she was going to lose control with thisti quick. >> i respect that but if you take the information to the united states senator and the reasonably foreseeable that information is assessed by the fbi and the committee's own staff so with all due respect to have it both ways is a set of allegations but by the way i prefer to remain confidential. i understand the humanity of itit but it's on washington dc with a single individual making these comments the 11th hour then that is the description of the alleged episode when they have that

process. >> 25 minutes left. talking about the contempt of the memoir of the clinton investigation. >> i have a couple of points to bring up. talking about morality and why you continue with the clintons and also the woman who has been violated it isn't easy to come out just because she waited until the 11th hour to say i was abused by somebody do you take that into consideration? >> this is reductive --dash ridiculous. >> i do understand it's not easy.

of course any violation of human dignity is a very serious matter we have brett kavanaugh saying i did not do any such thing and others say he is not the person so the accuser has had aner interesting career if the person did in fact have something happen to her i understand it's not easy for her to come out but now one that is affecting the country so who is brett kavanaugh?en >> and she has raised the question essentially why don't i go away from the clintons?

>> it is part of our history. it is part of the inside story about why we chose not to seek theti indictment here is the story that goes back to the disappearance with the obstruction of justice of the rose law firm billing records showing that hillary clinton ryperformed legal services in little rock and that story needed to be told we did not bring those charges because we didn't believe we didn't have the evidence to have this admissible in court beyond a reasonable doubt they committed those crimes. the story needs to be told and

to begin with morality. and the rule of law and that is what the statute was talking about and janet reno when she said to the special does fit --dash division *-asterisk needs to investigate including perjury and obstruction of justice. is that moral? >> and frankly the american people need to be reminded what the senate was focusing on were crimes on bill clinton's part. and that's how i felt compelled topl write the book. what do you mean he had an interesting career quick. >> it just has been a very

interesting journey of not making any pejorative comment it is a different kind of career path. >> republican good morning. >> i have to say i don't know anyone else who has been sexually harassed or as many times as i have been. if you talk to someone who would plan to destroy them in and lie that he has sexually harassed you she did not even

know about that at the time. or he just was not interested in her. all the times i was sexually harassed even to the point thank god i did manage to get out of it at gunpoint but it was just so wicked. >> bad is a very moving story and glad you had this experience including the relationship with your friend but sexual harassment in the workplace is a terrible thing

and going back to the early part of the conversation what i describe in thee book is an atmosphere that bill clinton created to do whatever he wanted to. then if somebody would give the accusation they would be vilified. was a very fortunate part of the history we have matured to take those allegations seriously and to see people lose their jobs with sexual harassment in the workplace. what we are talking about here in the brett kavanaugh situation at 17 years old according to the allegations. and he has denied. so there is a danger always of

mob rule. >> good morning. i really value your opinion and just a couple of quick comments with the case that is happening now with the independent with any left or right leaning but of actually admitting there was no evidence or collusion in the investigation would they really do that? >> and very quickly if brett kavanaugh ends up getting booted will he lose his seat on the district court it is

intriguing the former fbi agent has made the statement that she did i waited counsel caution she was one agent and important but with the overall investigation. and i have seen no evidence whatever of collusion and that is russian interference. one of the great contributions of bob mueller was the first indictment and those organizations and in one paragraph and then with the campaign. and then to describe the following the russian

organizations funded and organized the anti- trump rally. the russians are doing everything they can to undermine the democratic institutions. that is my view with lisa page. and then given what i know the people involved in the investigation but i would be on the side of transparency i would presume that. and as long as we don't reveal those sources and methods.

and that is very important and goes without d saying. to say we know the truth it will set us free with as much transparency as possible so i welcome a classification in the national interest. >> would brett kavanaugh lose his seat quick. >> no' may it not come to that. >> the democratic line good morning. >>. >> and then you keep referring to cap a knife is confirmed. what about those 43000 documents? > and not waiting for the

other 100,000 with the library of congress. >> i truly don't have a view with respect to access and the like i view that as an issue interested to the senate and with a respect to that declassification. but as i understand it through that archival review proces process, sometimes we on the outside don't appreciate those limitations but that presidential records act luscious postpone hearings for one year. that is a judgment call.

given what i saw the senate judiciary committee has before it a very elaborate record of judge kavanaugh's work that was extraordinarily detailed because he was a judge and an exemplary judge for 12 years so materially affected the appropriateness. >> we will try to get to as many of your calls as we can. >> go ahead first off i am too young to remember anything inft mac so i am looking forward to the book but as a

republican i have experienced what is going on with the accuser but everybody says the h hour but from my understanding is that the 11th hour or is that fast track? >> and also with the president and they can be impeached and supreme court justices are lifetime appointments so during their confirmation hearings what happens? >> what are the repercussions. >> let's review what had happened on the last day of

thes, term just as anthony kennedy made the announcement to the nation he was stepping down within a short period of time the president nominated brett kavanaugh than the hearings weree set they were set to provide weeks of opportunity to review records and the like for the process. then the hearings were set and then designed to have a vote to confirm judge kavanaugh to the supreme court and with monday october 1st it is coming ride up. so to be chaired by senator

grassley so it was in july that the accuser came to senator feinstein at the 11th hour but the concern is nothing was done as i understand it even of the senate judiciary committee went into hearings and executive session to review the most sensitive materials in our democracy i have seen those fbi reports i describe this in the book you do not want to be the subject if anybody can say anything about you unable dutifully report it. and to cross-examine you those are extremely sensitive records given in the age of

i ansparency regardless of politics all of the allegations that have ever been made in closed session and then we will have hearings on this issue or that issue he sailed through that process. and senator feinstein did not bring this information even in that process. that is the 11th hour nature with respect to impeachment, yes. one of the messages in the book is to be very careful to be very cautious the american people don't like impeachment with those democracies to hold people accountable but yes , judges have been impeached in the past.

>> south carolina go ahead. >> good morning. sch is made of the fact this happened when judge kavanaugh was 17 years old and some states they could be tried as adults. i am curious as to how many 17 -year-olds that he tried as adults. second the comment that justice is equal is complete nonsense. if you are rich and powerful you are not held to the same accountability otherwise prisons and jails would have just as many rich people as poor people. >> first of all brett kavanaugh has never been a trial judge so he's never had that issue but yes some states

adultan be tried as an has a 17 -year-old. but the episode that is alleged when he was 17 now decades ago that is theue fairness issue with statutes of limitation we do have laws that say if you do have charges and they are sensitive you need to bring them forward. in terms of justice is equa equal, that is a struggle but i totally disagree with your cynicism. . . . . that is a struggle. i totally disagree, with all respect to with your cynicism. look what just happened to paul manafort. look at what happened to his partner, rick gates. i can start enumerating millionaires and billionaires who find themselves caught up in the criminal justice system.

i respectfully disagree. i think ours is a good system. if you have a state and local system, and by the way, yesterday was constitution day and mr. madison warned against the kind of phenomenon you're pointing to. in federalist 10, he said we need a vast, commercial this vast nation because of oppression will more likely occur at the local level. boss of loss called, -- that littlen community. that is what he warned about. if you do not think rich folks get chased after, i can tell you from my own personal expense you are quite wrong. host: james, democrat, virginia. good morning. guest: good morning, sir. am i on? host: what is your question for ken starr? guest: my question is, if he is

saying that fairness and injustices are a true mirror of all things, and i think it is, that mr.ou citing kavanaugh is innocent of these accusations? i mean, the 65 people that are saying that mr. kavanaugh was a nice guy, and the only one that is important to the whole issue is the one that seems to have forgotten what happened that night. guest: well, i have a different perspective, as you might imagine. you are right. i talk a lot about fairness and justice, and that is what our system, including our political system, is designed for. we do not want them browbeaten.

as a nation, we recoil at a united states senator in a position of power abusing his power. power can be abused, and we need to have checks and balances in order to prevent it. what i am testifying to, kind sir, is i know brett kavanaugh. i know him and i worked with him. it is not that i went out with him to a washington nationals game one time and he was "a nice with himorked hour-by-hour, week by week. my expense was not unique. it is consistent with all of those who have worked alongside him in his berries editions in public life. his experiences in public life. in the full body of work football and see who is going to

get into the college playoff. what is the entire body of work? i hope we will not lose our perspective, and i think we are starting to get our perspective back after the revelations of the weekend to say, let's be deliberative about this and not turn it into a circus. host: a couple final colors have been waiting a long time. augustine is in north carolina, republican. good morning. guest: good morning. mr. starr, i have a question for theas far as, what does male that is being accused of a legend acts that turn out to be false? does he have any recourse? you -- also like to tell

i come from a small town back in new york. the next town over had a high school football starr and his girlfriend. , buthad consensual sex ultimately he was charged with rape, sent to prison for 10 years, and was put on the national registry for sex offenders. that, to me, is wrong. host: answer? guest: very quickly. this is no remedy in arena. we are seeing in the college and university arena lawsuits being individuals called respondents in the title ix area who believe that their due process rights were violated when they were found guilty, are responsible, and kicked out of school or otherwise sanctioned and career substantially ruined. we are seeing increasingly judgments being brought against

colleges and universities for their violation of basic due process and fairness. false charges are in fact -- i am sorry, i failed to say in this arena for brett kavanaugh, the remedy for him is confirmation, but that is it. there is no legal remedy. false charges are something the american people should be aware of. there are lawsuits pending right now that are alleging exactly that. the charges were entirely made up. let's get things educated in a fair way. host: last call tom, ohio, democrat. good morning. guest: you try to make the clintons look like some kind of bank robbers. they did have money here they released their tax forms. mcdougal wasusan on larry king, and she said 18 months in prison and you cut a

deal with her anytime if she would have said she had sex with president clinton. host: we will let can start and there. guest: susan mcdougal was convicted of serious felonies that led to the collapse of a savings and loan in little rock, arkansas. she was found in contempt by the united states district court. susan has made these allegations, and they are false. clintons andto the their finances, i never alleged were wealthy at the time. they are, in