other than that he did not care. has nothing to do with that. it's just the election is that were enough to tune in a conviction john edwards would be executed already for what he was doing. the book really does cover everything. i think you're going to enjoy it maybe not as much as the bible. thinking number one. i would like to introduce to

you. in terms of political organ at -- orientation. we havear left dr. manuel pastore. he is a professor of sociology in the author of state of resistance. what it means for american future. hang in the middle.re the author of god save texas. a journey into the soul of the lone star state. author of the fall of wisconsin. in the future of american politics.

let's get personal before we road trip to's far. i was just hoping that i could get you guys to talk a little bit about. you all have a deep breathe -- deeply personal connection. all right. i grew up in texas. i was in dallas during the kennedy assassination. and something that marked my life because when you are from dallas people hated you. and how do you responsible. you are actually did have a sense that people thought you were a murder. a it was also politically off the rails.

i went to college in new orleans. i thought i would never go back to texas. but in 1978 i was working -- for look magazine. and i went back to texas to cover the 12 men that walked on the moon. and one of them was walking there. i found myself at a dance hall that night and another little germantown. in a band call sleep at the wheel was plain. all of these people were there. they were dancing with longneck bottles in the back with their blue jeans.

i was living in atlanta at the time. t mething is happening in texas. that's where we've stayed ever since. the book came about because the editor at the new yorker asked me to explain texas. my name is dan coffman. it is famously derided surrounded by reality. i was also a fact checker for

many years. i care about these things.s. in 2011 i have moved to new york many years ago in 1990 and in 2011 scott walker the governor their launch an attack under the labor unions in my parents were involved. with this protest to some degree. my mom was testifying in many people stayed through the night. they stayed in an effort to delay the bill. people from all over the state not just madison drove down there and delivered the two-minute testimonies. simply to stall the bell. and one morning i woke to an e-mail from my mom. she is a very engaged citizen and there was a lot that they have encouraged citizen participation.

this is not just in madison about is deeply rooted with the legacy. a lot of these people came. she brought me a very passionate e-mail around these hearings. i started writing about what was happening in my home state. they go around what they call the cheddar revolution. i culminated in this book. but during that time i became much more i really quitted reacquainted myself with my home state and got to see many parts of it that were not familiar to me with the native american reservations in the far north. we would often travel there if we could go to a big city. it was very eye-opening to me also. i got to know much better through the six or seven year odyssey.al

i was actually born in brooklyn. my mom grew up in the spanish harlem. i always loved being here. it's partly because spanish is spoken with 70 curse words in new york. it was wonderfully nostalgic. the spanish speakers got that one.sp we actually moved to california when i was six months old. in 1956. my sister have asthma and the dr. said that moving to los angeles would be good. this is back in the era that smoking filtered cigarettes was there for the future. i grew up in california it was

significant problems in terms of racial restrictions. but the sense of a growing economy and the education. when i went to the university pain almost no money to go to the university. university. back then. i became engaged politically.th when i graduated at the end of my book. it was one prop 13 it kind of cut property taxes in the state. and grandfathered in older, whiter homeowners.

i was asked. at early in 1978. it was quite the hippie university.th at that time i have no grades. we refuse to let them announce honors or who the student speaker was it was me. we did a little gorilla theater. and i emerged from the theater and gave a speech about proposition 13 and i was going to wreckanan it. it kind of turned out to be the story. in a way i wrote this bookd as a bit of penitence. i should've just think my parents for all they did. i get very emotional and a lot of social struggles. it's going well. back in the early 30s which

the u.s. supreme court justice at least two popular is that phrase. referring to the states. in the patriot fact. that it is concentrated on a federal level. where having some issues at the federal level. i was hoping all of you could talk about on the laboratory front a little bit about current experiments. and anything you might find noteworthy. whatever you think might be most influential. or we can learn from everyone. for many generations it was the laboratory for democracy.wi

social security act was drafted by wisconsin. an idea called the wisconsin idea. to serve the citizens of the state. dispersed workers compensation. they were replicated across the country and a lot of the new deal was actually authored by wisconsinites..l more recently the state has become a conservative laboratory and a lot of my book details this shift. it was replicated in many other states. to varying degrees. most recently in iowa where they passed a version of what is called act ten. this is contributed to the states electric. they functioned in many ways.

but there is other things that they do. they form a kind of way for workers to get together and share ideas. it's really only they the structure on the progressive side. and that is whyiv they had been targeted so seriously. this is a movement that goes back really to the new deal. there is a lot of people that never accepted the new deal. some of them started the john birch society. more recently this movement against public employees which was headed by ronald reagan. scott walker the governor who is elected in 2011 consciously ould a blogger impersonating him. that he was mimicking reagan's act and this is going to change the course of history. in fact they didn't vote for donald trump.

many people feel that act ten has decimated union membership in wisconsin contributed the environmental laws. a lot of these environmental laws that are being drafted. that has really changed.. maybe most visible in a place like wisconsin. it have a very different past. it such a stark contract. any and all, which like to take it next. when you see the state of resistance you might think it was prompted by an election. and it was but not by the election that you think. it was prompted by the election of president obama in

2008. when it seemed to me like a lot of progressives and liberals bum rushed dc thinking that policy change could take place there. instead of going back and doing the community organizing and social movement mobilization that would've provided the wind to obama sales. into that vacuum was the tea party. the money that you are talking about. they actually spoke to the grassroots. in it your of the presidency 900 seats in state senate's thinking like everybody else that hillary clinton would win.heki and that they would make the same mistake.

and working for that progressive change. with the policy in clinton. and then of course the election happened. and it made the book shift directions and become quite more relevant. what i realized the day after the election. it was difficult to think. it was prop 187. the measure in 1994 in california. it got stripped awayy as the social services and educational services from undocumented immigrants. that was not the only element. 45% of the country's net job losses in the recession in the early 1990s occurred in california.

and people often forget that rush limbaugh became his talk radio career in sacramento in the late 1980s. that was sort of a perfect storm of demographic anxiety. in going from political polarization. we did at first and california. and yet, 25 years later. they were one of the first two's states. has declared itself to be a sanctuary state in terms of just usingtu this. it is bleeding there. in a has a tremendous set of other progressive shifts that have happened. it was the opposite of the story in wisconsin. we talked more about this. some years into this

transformation. newsweek a famous cover. and our recovery in the last couple of years. that is such an appealing kind of story when you pin it on one person who is going to save you. he went off and spent time with mother teresa. he came back. let's think jerry brown. and the real story is about the social movement building and community organizing. it helped to transform california and inspiring and the in the nation now in the form of all right.

what is brewing there. sort of the opposite. when rick perry was governor of texas he used to call them laboratories of democracy. the conservatives can control texas for so long that the mainstream conservative agenda has long since been enacted. at the tea party that still has the hunger and practically every statewide official in the state. is republican. the opposite of california where there are no republicans statewide office. what is happening in texas is so consequential because texas

is the second largest state after california. it stands between california and new york. as the fastest-growing. in a 2050g. which is not that far away. it will be about the size of california and new york mind. this has real consequences for the future. and there were things about texas that were wonderful and worth emulating. it is a major job creating state. and that's why people come. there are jobs available. yet some of this job creation that has come at the expense of social programs what is it

that taxes are. what suffers. primarily the job of a state is to provide public education and infrastructure. and indeed those things are those that are most suffering. 10% of all of the school children in america our texans. we spent $2,500 per student less than the national average we are 49 and a 50. we are doing poorly in terms of education and our citizens and future workers. given what a major portion this represents. it has has catastrophic consequences for the country.th in the upcoming legislature promises to be yet another attack on public education.pu in the nation's report card.

texas fourth-graders ranked 45th in the nation. which is better than you would expect. given that the 49th at the investment. in the last legislative session thankfully it didn't pass there was an attempt to take public education money and awarded to private schools. i don't know what's behind this exactly. is it just racism. it is so short sighted and a lot of the programs that we had implemented in the past in texas models for the national government. it is replicated is so so much in the trump administration that we pioneer it in our laboratoryry the model for what

the incoming administration has chosen to do. see mcmahon while actually brought up something that i will selfishly bring up also. when we were all walking over. they mentioned briefly that he have a proposal for that broke out. i know it's really easy to see. and see how they dump tell what the current moment but aney are so long-standing reu're kind of hanging off the back of the card that is there. did you have an experience that was similar there. how did you pivot or not pivot

i think when they are finding the story he thought that texas would play a more prominent part. there was all of these candidates in the primaries. and people that had affiliations.d she was a texan. there and was in the that was in the whole field. i think he thought it would play i a bigger role and then ted cruz would be a bigger factor. he was wrong about that. in a way it freed me to write a book that was not so entirely tied to politics. i wanted to include the history in the politics as well. it is never disappointing.

i have plenty to write about. i had been working on this writing many articles about the transformation. and did put together a proposal beforehand. i think the big -- victory just solidified in people's minds what have happened in wisconsin was it pre- staged presaged the election results. and paved the way for them. the attacks on labor i think you are experiencing a lot of the countries turning into a version of what is happening to wisconsin. i think that became of much more widespread interest. in a different degree.

very significant. in places like texas it might be more difficult to notice that change. in wisconsin it was very significant. i was a very stark difference. it's gone 14% union membership to eight and six or seven years. they do have these southern states in mind and very few environmental regulations no labor very weekly. and that is the model. as the kind of radical libertarianism and they haven't infrastructure to propagate that. it was very successful in wisconsin. is there anything else that you wanted to tell us about. the original title of the book was america fast-forward. they changed betweenph 1980 and

2000. going about two thirds white to a majority people of color. that is what they were going through through 20002050. what people forget is how red estate california was. we gave you richard nixon and ronald reagan. we give you tax cuts. in anti- immigrant hysteria. we propagated so much right wing staff and there was many republicans statewide officeholders. i think there is looking at the transformation and thinking it's certainly the democracy that explains it. i passed prop 187. and then illuminated affirmative action. and then launched into how much deeper it was in any other state.

between 1980 and 2008. the state prison population went up by four fold. we were america fast-forwardd. part of what happens it was something that i've seen happen nationally also. the left got tired of losing. it is often quite proud. we were really clear about our values. people's lives get messed up in the process. people really began to develop a different way of voter engagement. basically community organizing. when you are trying to engage people betweenet elections. and maintain the context. in try to use the civic active

voting which is the democratic thing we all accept.t. it really gets reengaged in politics. somewhere between half a million and 1 million voters are mobilized and they can turn things on things like raising taxes with the process of that the incarceration which happened in a nonpresidential year you are not supposed to be able to get younger and voters of color to come out. there has been a shift to engaging with politics and having community organizing meet politics. since the election of trump made me realize that it was more urgent to get this out.

and to give out some lessons of optimism for what america can become if we don't give up and assume the other side will win. anticipate my question. on the america what will it become. we've already done the past in terms of your direction. te we are heading to the future. i'm hoping we can talk a little bit about what we have there. it's a message of hope. who wants to kick this one out. >> it was just some thoughts. texas and california are in many ways ideal opposites when i was aex boy texas was blue.

it was a state that gave us lyndon johnson and the great society. it was at a time when they were coming around the stereotypes that we head of these two states is where we have now. the truth is they are constantly. we think of it texas and california. they revolve around each other. you never agree on anything. he is always talking about the danger ofan california case in patient and then the examples he gives are the dreadful things. his plastic straws. these are destroying america. it has a bumper kicker -- a

bumper sticker. i don't know what that means. the concept w that california is what we are not in a works the other way. when i go to california and i've had people say where are you from and i an icy texas, i get that a lot anyway. wherefrom in texas. zero it's forgivable. the sense of being at odds. it's also a testament to the vigor of our democracy that it can contain that laboratories of democracy to allow them to express themselves so differently. sometimes dreadfulse consequences. the economy has just taken a nosedive. because of ideology.

it gives other states a lesson into what happened when you do those things. i warned you all at my end in a cage match. there has been a revival of some of the protest around when the hat pen movement failed. there was a lot of anger and everything just kind of vanished. it's like someone have died. among a certain section. maybe some triumph it's a very divided place now. they have reallyen created a fissure that is of occult to

heal when they lost their bargaining rights. more than wages and benefits. it is their dignity and their ability to have a collective voice in their working conditions. that mattered more. they gave the concession's almost right away. it was really this idea. it was actually during the sanders campaign. some of these progressive elements were really revived. and they want to see by 13%. he seemed to ignite some dormant feelings that i hadn't seen in a lot of people. he is running against paul. he was just a very obscure labor organizer when i met him. his campaign really caught

fire because there was really this anger and humiliation that have not been as far as i can see. it's not going anywhere. it is a nutritional war that is looking to accept piecemeal gains. they generate thesend models. and a lot of the very small bills that would chip away at public education and so forth. they have this cumulative effect. i am looking at that on one side also some structural things that they had instituted in the state. t it used to be the state that was easiest to register to vote. one of the easiest. now it's become one of the hardest.

they have become demoralized. it was so extreme that the case went to the supreme court who sent it backt b down. there is a resurgence. i don't see the structural changes going anywhere. i think it's easier to destroy. there has certainly been needed political changes in california.

they have the septa. to be speaker of the state assembly. in the last election. it actually voted democratic. it is a very significant change.ni i would say that one thingar that hasn't come up that was part of that change was learning to deal with the race and racism. there is an article out today in the new york times from political scientist taking a look at what really happened in the 2016 election particularly between college-educated and non- college-educated voters. it's a new book called identity politics. it is is relative to other groupsps it drove those voters. and we somehow think after the

election he remember the big conversation about is it race or class. that's because americans can't hold two ideas in their have at the same time. i think what we realize inth california that race and racism or so toxic that they were getting in the way of uss focusing and on where we needed to do economically. through public policies et cetera. i think that is an important lesson to bring up for the nation. california though, i think they have a long way to go right now. in a way that politics have changed but a lot on the ground has not changed. we are now the fourth most unequal state in the united states. we have the highest rate of poverty if you just for housing costs.

we are calling our way above texas in terms of spending on education. on english learners, low income kids in foster youth. we sort how things pointed in the right direction. we were going to need to do something that's important for us. people often focus on winning power. you need to focus on wielding power. how you caneave use that to improve people's lives. imagine how much more popular obama care would've been if the west -- website would've worked the first month. when congress was shut down. people who want to make change particularly now. they need to start thinking about governance and not just winning. [applause]. think you. we are nearing the end of our road trip with these three tnt e

do had time for a couple questions from the audience. i will take them. certain the front. kind of going back there. they come along with the majority of majority states. the same political shift that they have even though it's become more nonwhite. more left-wing. why in some ways minorities have not made the impact in texas that they head in california. art demography is very similar.

i think only hawaii and mexico might be in that category. the same 40% hispanic population. they vote in california and they don't in texas. and that would make a big difference. if you take in the city out of the question. who doesn't vote anywhere.d there is a lot of hispanics in texas in those categories. i think there is a more important thing that is happening with hispanics in texas. they've never have a candidate who spoke to them. who spoke to the disenfranchised. he was charismatic. and spoke their own language. there had been hispanic candidates. one wealthy houston businessman ran for governor. but he was not that kind a candidate. it's an interesting test coming. in november. there are two people running for senate.

he is the hispanic. who doesn't speak spanish very well. and is also canadian. in his opponent. robert francis. known since childhood. if he is the month site figure aside from being non-hispanic he is clearly alive with the hispanic community. he has been to every one of them. often time speaking in whataburger's. it is one of the most is going to be a legendary contest.

it reminds me of that 1937 congressional race. when texas began that great revolution. when people say will they ever become purple or lou, in november it could become purple. and if that happens it totally wreak calibrates national politics because with texas and play the whole game changes. >> very quickly. is not destiny. unless you actually motivate and activate. and shift the political consciousness. we had three minutes. it's back. thank you.

i wanted to ask why you mentioned that movement. what is the status in organizing the role of politics. they continue to exist. not a large sector. it continues to play a role in politics and in two senses the impacted on agricultural policy and labor relations in the state. you can go to almost any labor leader of a certain generation and they came up to that united farmworkers. is responsible for a lot of mobilization. in the undocumented immigrantss who then mobilize the

permanent residents to vote in transform los angeles came up to the united farmworkersab and was just about to be elected to the state senate. it really have a big formation on people.t all right. i think the moment is nine. i hope you have the great rescuer day at the brooklyn book festival. this year book tv marks our 20th year. a bringing of bringing the country's top nonfiction authors.

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john and i were flying to kuwait on the airplane. we did not know each other very well at all. they brought us together. and we have a conversation into the night talking about his family and his own service in his time as a prisoner. the country was still too divided over the war. and with that we need to try to find a way to not just make peace with vietnam but make peace with home. much this weekend on book tv. the most important thing i think is born out of frustration. i talk about this in the book.

my interest in my academic background are in economics. but if you think about the global economy today there are a whole host of very deeply structural long-term problems. the demographics show us what the demographic would be. these are all long-term structural problems and the people that are charged with the right dilatory environment. our very short-term in their frame. i thought this gives them a mix -- a mismatch. is something that has not been fully explored and certainly i don't feel the potential solutions to this mismatch have been scored adequately.

and given that ground swell of emotion. both in terms of people and apathy. but also because the rise of populism for whatever the motivations may be across western europe. it was something i wanted to explore. you do talk quite positively about many successes in places that have very different models. like china. what's wrong with that model. it was not wanting to write about china. what works and what doesn't work there. and they do have a very fundamental system in the west. we prioritize the individual. my utility functions drives the cap in the system. my right to choose as an individual are paramount.

in the chinese system where for them the most important thing is really the community and so their frame and the policy that they can use as we know are very different. from the frame and policy. and a lot of it is about china. it is becoming they have done a lot of things right. but still in many respects at an early stage of development. in terms of per capita income. they have their issues.

the united states is still the largest economy in gdp terms. with the living standard improvements. we want to continue to support that. i certainly believe in that model. and i think over time china has already but will continue to adopt a lot of the western system. you can watch this and other programs online. [inaudible conversations] good evening everyone. i have the honor of being the executive director. .. ..