and we wrap up with historian shawn williams look at the framer of the constitution and slavery. on booktv. 48 hours of nonfiction authors and books every weekend. television for serious readers. a reminder this weekend's full schedule is available on our web site, booktv.org. >> i think we'll get start now. i'd like to welcome everybody to the radical book fair pavilion at the baltimore back five. i'm cullen. we for the past five years we are we were at 30 west north av and this weekend we started to open the doors at the new location at cathedral and preston. we do invite people to come check us out this evening from 5:00 to 10:00. if you want to check out our new space, vegetarian, vegan menu,

books, et cetera, but i want to talk today about carol adams, about what carol adams has meant to me, has meant to my involvement in the movement, what is meant forked emmas, and then introduce her and her book. so this is our tenth year in collaboration with the baltimore book festival, and red emma has been around 15 years and we have been dedicated to ethically providing vegan and vegetarian food in addition to radical books, political talks, social concepts. and that was something as one of the founders of red emma's, when i was in high school in the late '80s and early 79's,as a miss fit and a fan of industrial music, i came upon a single by a group called consolidated, and

the song was called "the unity of oppression" and the concept was that everything from class oppression, racial oppression, as well as the oppression of nonhuman animals were all linked in some way and that we got greater strength not by having these piecemeal attempts at resolving these problems bus recognizing the concept of oppression as such, and combating it as such. there was a b side to that single that used the same instrumental and feet tired vocals from a speech from carol adams, called "the sexual politics of me." that introduced me to that back which i devoured in late high school and early college and helped me become first a vegetarian and then a vegan and demonstrated to me the concept of ethical vegetarian, ethical veganism, something apart from the questions of health and from

the "environmentalism, which are important but the main issue was the oppression of nonhuman animals, the concept of that that humanity has bestowed upon itself in order to justify its exploitation of what it conceives as its species lessers. so, that helped guide me and guide my journey as a political activist and a political thinker and i'm very thankful to finally be able to introduce carol adams, someone who inspired me, inspired red emma's through the years and to speak about her new book, which is "protest kitchen," which brings the threads back together. that's just cannons. brings those things together and also provides recipes. a lot of times people are compelled by the argument, they're swayed by the notion of being a vegetarian or vegan, but they don't quite know how to do

it and they don't know -- they literally don't know how to put their kitchen together in a way that can make it sustainable for them to keep that diet up-especially in the initial stages. so provides both recipes as well as a condition send to all framework. so, with that said, i'd like to welcome carol adams and thank everybody. [applause] >> it's truly an honor to be here and be part of red emma's, we have been meaning to do something at the baltimore book despair be at the radical book shop pavilion. i mean, my year has been made. so thank you for that and for those who don't know consolidated, the sexual politics is on youtube and when it came out it was my older son who is here with four and a half, and we can hear my voice

and then you can hear this other voice, and i was trying to figure out what is the other voice and my son said, it's whales. so, i'm hon a ct and my other singers are whales. it's like pretty cool. it was pretty cool in 1991, that's for sure. so, probably like a lot of you, november of 2016 was a very depressing month, and i woke up one morning and i thought, we need to do an anti-trump die yet book. let do an anti-trump diet and show people how veganism is part of the progress and if radical response to the resurgence of right-waning repressive values in the united states. we wrote up an incredible -- we wrote up a great little brief synopsis of what it would be, and when i went out to

publishers shortly after that terrible inauguration, they said, well, trump's not going to be in office for long, and so they turned it down so it's the first time one of my books has been defeated by optimism. really. publishers usually are -- their optimism ties in with your optimism for a book title but it was completely opposite. then a publisher said you're not just tracking but trump. you're talking but much more and why restrict the book to trump? i mean, i said, well, we can make the antipence diet but they -- something that we really believe is we're talking about what is happening in england, with brexit, talking about the

seen -- canada has a resurgence, one of the most popular people is their terrible right-wing person. so, we made it protest kitchen. we talk about think globally, act locally. here's an example. when the terrible so-called muslim ban came out just after the inauguration in 2017, we all did not flood to one airport. we went to our local airports. that was the power of that. wherever you were -- i was at dfw. we went to the local airport to protest. it made a statement. yesterday, two women who earlier in the week had been part of a larger protest against kavanaugh, had a moment with jeff flake. whether, as we're interpreting it, that changed him -- the elevator ride was a ride between

confrontation and what he did, but let's just name them, and i don't listen to news so if i have their names wrong i apologize. anna me a reand maria gallagher. thinking globally and acted locally. that's what veganism is, too. if we are protesting climate change, misogyny, protesting on behalf of food justice, against racism and seenophobia, there's a place for veganism. it's in our kitchen and wherever we're going, i'd like to make the progressive radical case for why that is so. one thing i notice in the study that talked but the voters for trump in 2016 is they were more likely to believe the 1950s was a better time than now. most of us do not agree with

that analysis. when you think about the 1950s, we know that jim crow reigned, there was hostility to integrate it suburbs, that helped to contribute to a problem over educational resources now. we not that women could not sign mortgages and many states, could not serve on juries in many states. that lesbians and gays were persecuted from federal and state jobs. for fear they could be blackmailed by communists. so, there's a lot bad about the '50s. and as one social historian said, you know, leave it to beaver is not a documentary. but one thing that's true about the '50s is it's when meat eating and dairy was consolidated as a federal recommendation. the four basic food groups were adopted in 1956, two of which

were from animals, meat and dare rhythm that is racist nutrition because it's imposing dairy on people of color, many of whom don't have the enzyme that digests dairy but from the time it was place into effect we have whenever someone says where do you get your protein? that's the 1950s result of the four basic food groups. what do you have against dairy, or dairy guess for you, or how how going to get your calcium. myths go back to the 1950s. think that is what got us on the path to where we are now in terms of how much meat and dairy is consumed temp other thing that happened was that factory farming was consolidate and there was a reality growth, and for this other book that i did this year called burger, i was looking at the history of eating cows instead of pigs, until

1960, more pigs, dead pigs were eaten than dead cows in the. a the amount of pig flesh versus cow flesh. in that period of the 19 roos we transitioned to eating more cow flesh than pig flesh and that's because of the growth of fastfood hamburgers. so in terms of dairy and this legislating of it in the 1950s, it's been point out that if the majority of our world can't digest dairy, they're the ones who are lactose normal. right? but we call them lactose intolerant. and we say that mainly whites who can digest dairy, we're not marked. we should be market. we are the -- we legislated something and in the federal

government there's subsidies to keep milk at a low price and when the milk isn't bought, it's bought up by the federal government and it's dumped on women on welfare with kids and in schools so that it becomes something imposed on children. so, one of the things we wanted to look at is how did we get here? this is one way we got here, is the '50s started us on this road to believing that meat and dairy are the de facto ways of eating. so, ever since the sexual kole ticks of meat came out, which was 1990, people have been sending me images of animals who are sexualized or women who are shown like animals, and i was thinking about that for our chapter on miss only any, called "takeout misogyny," a nice

double ontan contract. >> i wanted to call the anti-#metoo movement but a what animal agriculture requires, they need access to female bodies, and this is how they talk about female bodies. that those bodies want to be pregnant. they want to give the farmer another piglet. what would a cow by doing if she weren't pregnant? there is all this subversive or submerged language but female reproduction going on in animal agriculture that most people are never aware of. but it bleeds into misogynist views about women. so, for instance, when a republican legislator in the midwest called women simply hosts, they're not really pregnant, they're just hosts to a feet tuesday, it's the same few we have of female animals. there's a relationship between misogyny against human females and the misogyny that sort of

hidden against animals who are used for food. one of the things -- you'll probably start noticing thing news -- is that many animals, especially for barbecues, are posed as though they're sedes duck tuck females waiting to be consumed and there's supposed to be an interview me on the local washington cbs news station about this, and the interviewer got very aggressive and said i've never seen anything like this and i said, well, just go to my web site, carol j. adams and examples of sexual politics of meat, and afterward when he was done he said i'm here and then he was silent. because there are so many examples of the sexy animal wanting to be consumed. and that's part of the sort of way that culture subtly refutes the #metoo movement. oh, no, these animals wanted to be consumed.

these sexy female animals wanted to be consumed. so, in the chapter on takeout misogyny, we make the case. for instance, how many of you notice these discussions about the right-wing, the neo-nazi, and their appropriation about both meat and dairy so that, for instance, neo-nazi groups will call liberal men soy boys. so they're taking this notion that if you eat soy you'll be feminized which is based on faulty science, and imply that's what happened to liberal men. so, the right wing has seized on all of the misogyny involved in food consumption, eating meat and deary, and they're deploying it, too. they show themselves being with dairy milk, you know, all over, because they're reclaiming that. it's understandable that the right wing would reclaim dairy.

dairy is a racist product. so, that's misogyny. let's talk about keen phobia and white supremacy. what do they have in common with concerns about animals? look how trump talks about immigrants. they're always called animals. look at how trump talked bow bout the central park five who were, i believe, younger than kavanaugh at the time they were wrongly accused of rape and killing, but he animalizes, he animalizes people of color, women of color who dire speak back to him. he calls the pigs or dogs. that tradition of animalizing disenfranchised people goes back hundreds of years, and there's a book called "afroism" and i know they were at red emma's two

years ago, that talks about the co-construction of race and species. so, that's going on today still in the way white supremacy is imposing a view about people of color as being less than human. how -- look at the drive to cause some people not to be able to vote. how focused that is on people of color. so it's reducing them to and animalizing. the. using what call animality to focus or enable as and -- veil for oppression. what but the animals? aren't the animals also stereotyped? any of white house have -- any of us who have dogs in our lives know that the nothing my life named inky and holly are nothing alike, yet they all carry the same nation of animals. animals themselves are victims

of animality. so, we created a chapter called "dreaming of a inclusive democracy" to try to talk about in and expose how viewing animals as reduced beings is used by white supremacy and racism and xenophobia. then there's the concern for food justice. i have to say i've met lots of people and they tell me veganism is too expensive, and they're eating at a fancy restaurant, and veganism is to expensive. lentils are much teener. i say who is your hamburger so cheap? you're paying for undocumented laborers to work in slaughter houses at a sped-up rate. you're actually not paying for that because they're paid so

poorly. you're benefiting from a huge area of food injustice, which is the treatment of people who kill animals for meat-eaters, and for this book we started reading about the third shift, the people who are really exposed and struggling are those who come in and clean up the slaughterhouses, and they're not necessarily always prepared for the blood on the floor. any undocumented worker who works in what is considered the worst job in the united states, does not have the resources to go to a hospital when they're injured. they don't have the resources to advocate for better and improved labor conditions because they'll be sent out of the country. the reason says so many undocumented work in other words slaughterhouses because if you can get out of the job, you do.

so there's a lot of food injustice in the production or the slaughtering and also food injustice in the site offering the factory farm. if you read but the aftermath of florence in north carolina, one to the problems were neglect than pools that -- methane pools that hold the manure and how they flooded. the factory farms are sited near low-income or people -- or areas where people of color are more likely to predominate than whites, and so that's is hoot form of food injustice that is kept far away from, say, suburban whites. we also did a chapter on climate change. last week i was speaking in raleigh, and the first can he -- i was as north carolina state, an animal africa school and the first question i was asked was,

what about animal agriculture? where we would north carolina be without animal agriculture and i argued since animal agriculture is one of the biggest contributors to climate change, the very fact there was so much animal agriculture in north carolina had helped to create the conditions that warmed the oceans that is making the hurricanes more intense, that then caused the flooding, that they're recovering from. so rather than helping the economy of north carolina, animal agriculture is actually contributing to the devastation of an entire state. if we look at climate change issues and meat production and i'll just say about my co-author, virginia, messina, who is trained as a scientist, there's no statistic in this chapter on climate change she did not vet very carefully. she doesn't trust any stacks. she goes back to the original scientific source. but it's very clear now that

simply having a burger out of lentils than a dead animal is one of the best things you can ternally do for climate change. think globally. do a lot more. but act locally, and act in your kitchen. i meet a lot of people who are very upset about what is happening with climate change and the trump administration, and one of the ago is try to point out is, you can withdraw from climate change accords by continuing to eat meat and dairy or you can get onboard and start changing it locally by simply boycotting this huge contributor to climb change. when i was working on burger i learned how methane disappears within 20 years and if methane -- the effect of methane on climate change were actually calculated more carefully in some of these studies the devastation of animal agriculture would be greater, but most studies of climate

change and the effect of transport versus something else, are looking 100 years out, and by that time methane is gone. so the effect of methane has disappeared. so let me say word about compassion. from the moment sexual kole ticks of meat was published, i have done a great job getting people to care about the homeless, because that's often the first question they ask me. don't you care but the homeless? and it's kind of like they're trying to -- i know they're tying make me defensive but i want to say you think the homeless don't care about animal? you think some people are homeless because homeless shelters don't take the animals they're living with? if suddenly becomes very important -- this also happens with batters women -- don't your care about battered women? because i'm a vegan, it creates this complex tension, like compassion is some sort of

dollar bill, can only be spent once, but it's not. compassion is -- it's like water. it's always going to be there you can always draw on it. of course irony is that my partner actually ran a homeless shelter and every month i picked up a meal of 400 from a local vegan chinese restaurant and delivered it there but i would never say that because i didn't want to feed into this either/or. but we have in this country right now such a huge deficit of compassion. it's heartbreaking. i think those of us who lived through thursday morning, weeping, what is partly anticipating what was going to happen to this vulnerable woman once she was done speaking, and what was beautiful about yesterday was that the two women said to flake, hear us. hear this pain. this pain matters.

and how do you awaken compassion? compassion isn't either/or. nothing keeps me from marching against repression and eating a vegan meal. one of the things i noticed when we had been aft dfw for a long time, factoring the protests against the immigration -- what trump had done right after the inauguration, people brought food and somebody brought thin mints, thin mints are vegan so i was very happy but made me think about the challenges to wall street. i don't know if you read this but back then, during the whole wall street challenges and the sit-ins and the occupation of the park right nearby, there was

a local pizza place, and people were calling in and ordering pizzas to be taken over and i would think of was all those dairy cows what about the dairy cows whose labor is being used to produce all that cheese, and i thought, gee, if only we could have had vegan pizzas delivered. anyway, one thing we wanted to do was to finally give a sort of list of questions, why -- answered to why do you care so much but animal suffering when so many people are suffering? so, compassion isn't divisible. it's not either/or. care is about relationships. how we relate to animals does not preclude us from relating to humans with compassion. what is happening to animals contributes to human suffering. but animal suffering matters itself as a moral wrong. some people have excellent

skills in helping people. others in caring for animals. we don't ask vets why they brain surgeons. we accept that care for animals is needed. caring for animals reminds us that suffering is often nonverbal. ... finally, i wanted to talk about regressive responsive activism. one of the things i was concerned about back in the 90s was the adoption of bills that were impeding the rights of animal rights activists to speak. and these kind of works were failing under the surface.

so the aclu got involved but there wasn't a huge outcry. guess what happened after anita hill testimony in 1991? animal activists who were protesting hunting by walking in the woods and simply shouting, got charged with hunter harassment. so right after they finally get sexual harassment defined in a way that legally, is holding people besides clarence thomas to accountability suddenly this hunter harassment bill all around the country gets passed. that safe you go into the woods and shout when hunters are hunting, you're harassing them. so hunters right to hunt was greater than the free-speech rights of animal activists. it got worse. animal activism, many animal

activism that label as terrorist. property damage, which had never been labeled as terrorist or very rarely, got labeled as terrorist. guess who were terrorists in earlier times then? any enslaved black person who freed themselves were terrorists. because they were damaging the property ownership of the slave owner. suffragettes in london destroyed shop they would've been labeled terrorists under these laws that were passed. and we interviewed will potter, who did green is there a -- green is the new red. and to suppress animal activism, or what was brought forward against black lives

matter, and the protesters of the dakota access pipeline. so when we say look, we've been there, we've experienced this, we have got some resources. animal activists have resources for the animal publisher because we were some of the first was targeted with these repressive laws. ny will be targeted? because animal activism was actually having an effect. corporations were worried because people were boycotting them. why today, do we have such worry about plant milk? this desire to have dairy milk be the only thing called milk. i mean i tried to forget what they're going to doabout milkweed . and the fact that they are also suing about meat, to be appropriate meat. if you look at the english dictionary, meet used to mean all food. which is returning that. so why are they so worried?

so individual people eating vegan are having an effect on the bottom line. dairy consumption has dropped hugely. they are trying to recuperate what they lost. so i would like to end on a happy note. this is a very stressful time. you need to eat well to handle all of the protests you have to go to. and to handle the stress and guess what? eating meat and dairy, helps to cause more stress. it can inflame or aggravate inflammation in the system. and guess what helps reduce stress in your body? a vegan diet. and you have a wonderful chapter on that written by -- about how this is the antistress diet that you need right now. and i go back and read it.

in fact i had to add a new vitamin to my list because jenny pointed out so carefully, how this is going to help us in the long run. because it is a long run. one of the things i would like to end with and then we will take questions. is that we think it is really important to play with your food. and vegans play with food. we play, we play by cooking, we play by eating and replay by taking lots of photos of food. but we wanted to end by giving a chance to play with your food. into this is a suggestion to my sister, nancy. we came up with two resistance meals. the first one, a sort of bonus, includes the recipe for -- trump seitan a la orange and

chocolate little thumbprint cookies. also, drain the swamp kitchen cabinet compost. and we asked a very talented canadian chef, if you don't know her work please check it out. she also offered a second meal. stop the wall taco salad with "fire and fury" salsa. and final, make it every day. and impeach cobbler. we did get a little anti-trumpet but we are able to show that a "protest kitchen" is a way of thinking globally, acting locally. i want to empower you if you are a vegan, to help other people think about this and if you're not vegan, we put in 30 steps how to taste test plant milk, how to have vegan tea,

how to get mommy in your life. all of the things that people think they will miss. what you will not miss is being someone who is helping trump with his agenda. do you want to do that? if you don't want to do that, go vegan. thank you. [applause] >> thank you! we have some time for questions. unfortunately i don't have a microphone to pass around. if you want to raise your hand i will point and you can stand up and ask your question. we will repeat it if people cannot hear it. i have one over here. anybody else? anybody else want to ask a question?

okay. >> i'm sure that you get this question a lot. my family is from puerto rico. and meet is super integral. [inaudible question] >> i'm being asked what do i do about traditions, mexican, latin, puerto rican, traditions that have a commitment to meat eating. and thank you, i did not plant her. in chapter 1 we talk about the fact that there were no cows on the land that we know of as north america until colonialism. the kind of heavy meat eating

dairy diet that we know now is the result of colonialism. colonial attitude. written explained the success over cultures by saying that they ate meat and the cultures ate rice. there was a belief that one reason the chinese did not have lyric poetry is that they did not drink dairy milk. there is a deep history of colonialism and the imposition of meat on nondominant and colonized people. in mesoamerica, very little meat was eaten. some meet. but -- some meat. when you look at native americans, many of them lived in cities. one of the first things colonialists did was they destroyed the city.so we have this method of native americans

hunting all the time but the cities were destroyed. the tradition of eating this amount of meat is from the upper class and the aristocracy and the royalty of europe. it has been imposed. and there are some wonderful books. there is several mexican books. we cite them in "protest kitchen". in terms of food and veganism, you have got some here in baltimore, you have someone like all of the people involved making that kind of food justice commitment and today, their restaurant opened. it is a daily and i have the address. the greener kitchen. 803 washington boulevard. stop by and see that there are

many traditions that are being reclaimed. i would have that discussion. who benefits from your family having huge amounts of heart disease? and eating dairy? >> i really appreciate what you have to say. i was wondering if i am not hearing a second type of book that needs to be written about the economy from a meat eating or -- [inaudible question] i have family members i have a moderate sized family farm in wisconsin. that is what they do. they raise dairy and other animals. and i think that some of the concern may have been expressed

in north carolina when you're talking about agriculture, it has to do with concern about people's livelihood and you know, how you transition a huge number of people who work in the farm industry. >> the question is an economic one. will there be a second one that look of economics and how do we help people transition out of animal agriculture? if you think about the lifespan of a cow used in dairy is only four years. we are talking about farmers who are raising animals for eight weeks or sixmonths . if they just stopped, stopped feeding into the system, how can we help them? i mean, i think the thing is, let's stop it and help them. so, i would say, if the federal government just stopped its subsidies of animal agriculture and perhaps, created like in

the 30s , the plant-based agricultural commitment, we would have it solved.i mean millions and millions and millions of dollars are going to animal agriculture to profit. the use of public land for ranching. and then the use of public monies to kill wolves and other predators on these public lands. that is often invisible to most of us. how much of the federal government is committed, monies, tax monies are going to this. so let's step back. we are always going to need great vegetables. i mean, a lot of the land that is getting destroyed is for the making of corn or soy. and again, anybody was eating hamburger is these days is contributing to the killing of the amazon rain forest. but the soy and corn is not

going to humans. it is going to animals. we would be able to help reclaim the prairie. last night i was in chicago and i met the people who do a great seitan. their places built on what used to be a chicken slaughterhouse. there was a factory used that converted a slaughterhouse. the economy is there to support an alternative but the support for changing is not there. because we need the state and federal government to help. but many of the farmers are not independent farmers. they are contract farmers. these farmers in north carolina, they are contract farmers. they are the ones i had to go in and pick up the 3.5 million birds. they are the ones out but they are really like migrant laborers in their own way. we are already with an economic

system that is not viable. it's just the fact that it is not viable to declare because of the federal subsidies. other questions or reactions? >> i came in a little late -- [inaudible question] back to the puerto rican question. they eat a lot of vegetables but also -- [inaudible question] >> right. a great question and thank you. under compassion we talk about the life of fishes. and of course the kind of fish being eaten today are not anything like -- there is nothing. we cannot turn back the clock. what happens to fish today is

terrible. and we do not spend a lot of time on it but it is there in the chapter on compassion. because we want, many people think okay i'll just stop eating the four-legged animals. but the two legged animals and the sea animals need our compassion also. if we think about what it feels like to drown. that is how a fish dies in our air. they are drowning in our air. and we think how physically awful that is, i read about a high-end shop in new york. and he will go down to the docks to look at the fish brought in about four 5:00 a.m. . what he was looking for were stressed fishes who died stressed. because he wasn't going to serve that. just think about it. that chef new many fish died stressed. why are we going to eat a stressed animal? how is that possibly in any

way, moving a world toward compassion and freedom? so, it is in here. thanks. other concerns or thoughts? yes. [inaudible question] >> how do we reconcile veganism and taking care of companion animals that are carnivores? >> that is debated in the animal-rights movement. and i would say, one way we do that is to never buy from a breeder. stop the entrance of animals, companion animals, we have got 3 million animals a year, companion animals a year being euthanized in this country.

so you stop breathing and we stop, we start adopting and we become much more careful about how many companion animals actually exist. solving that i think, one of the hopes actually i believe, the clean meat. i think clean meat is going to be a solution for having companion animals. clean meat is what used to be in vitro meat. and it is not on the market yet. but i would say in five years at most, obligate carnivore animals, i would be surprised. maybe that is 10 but i am optimistic. any other thoughts and reactions or concerns? yes? [inaudible question]

>> there is a two-part question. what do we do about backyard chickens?especially those living at a subsistence level and then what do we do with the eggs that chickens naturally like a woman menstruate. i will take the second question first. chickens not naturally lay 200 to 300 eggs a year. chickens generally lay 12 eggs may be in one year time. we have changed the female anatomy of the chicken so that she is producing this huge

amount. she is truly a reproductive exploitation. and we talk about that a little there. i also have something female sexual exploitation comes home. look at that because it then creates the myth that we are not doing anything to harm the chicken because this is natural.and i'm not saying you did that but the fact is that to get the chicken to produce a few more eggs after she stops producing, the farmers often starve her for two weeks. and after that, she produces a larger egg. and the egg is so large that her uterus prolapse is. there is a lot of pain. so no, most chickens do not produce as many eggs as we've got. on sanctuaries, the sanctions who are producing eggs, those eggs are collected, cooked, smashed up and fed back to them

because they need so much protein because of the way that they are bred. otherwise, you know, they can't survive because of the deliberate breeding of chickens. there are two kinds of backyard chickens. when is -- which is trying to say this is very healthy. do you know where a lot of the chickens that are raised come from? they come from checks from factory farms and they use living mail checks to attack it. so the idea that this is somehow more ethical for the middle class chicken razor, it is not. it is a death threat sort of moved to keep your meat eating. i cannot say how many chickens have been surrendered for

sanctuaries. as for the low income or person barely surviving with the chicken in the backyard. we have a huge problem with fair wages in this country. and i think we need to come to a fair wage you know, be more involved in the fair wage movement. what did i read? the airports are going up to $19? aaron airport where to $19 an hour. it is recognizing something about how people how to survive. this is part of challenging the beliefs about what people can live on. i would say it is a solution within the framework of very limited resources going to poor people. we want to change that framework anyway. and create a framework that doesn't make people having to

solve their own problem of starvation. do we have time for one more? >> yes, one more question. >> or reaction -- [inaudible question] >> i've got to go back and look. it is in that chapter. chapter 7. because i then wrote to jimmy and said, what was that vitamin i was supposed to add? we had to go back and look through all of our emails. but i will say this, if you are not being and becoming a vegan, start with b12. don't read and believe that you can get b12 naturally. be sure to take b12. i don't want your health on my conscience. that is the only concern i have if you are switching. we've got lots of support. if you are local, the vegetarian resource group is here.

support and get involved. there are lots of ways to sort of support local and hub city -- support grub factory, support and expand your palate. expand your palate and discover, this is the most fun i've had being radical in a long time! so thank you. [applause] >> we have several books so if you're looking for ways to

veganize, there are some books back here. we have another speech coming in about 10 minutes. thank you everyone. i hope you have a great weekend. [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> i'm excited today to introduce bettye l. blaize and terrence white. in part just because of the really amazing way the book came to us. i was at our new location getting work done, we were getting with a bunch of ceiling tiles changed out, i was unexpectedly meeting all of these deliveries. i think i had my 18 month old son with me. and it starts getting unloaded and one of the delivery guys was a real jerk. but the other delivery guy was really awesome dude, and he was like what are you doing here? and i said were going to be opening up a restaurant,