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for us here in austin. with all that we deal with everyday both as we see in the past week with infrastructure and the stress the city is under way or just a little bit in the wake of the bay area when it comes a summary of these issues. we are thrilled to have randy shah to visit with us about their books from the bay. randy is an author. the executive director of the tendered line housing incident. he has also cofounded on the board of directors. he started and is the editor of beyond crime in san francisco. i it includes winning social

change and the 21st century. the struggle for justice in the 21st century. randy will speak first. but i will introduce carrie. after randy speaks. carrie is an award-winning writer. with the lawyer and human rights advocate whose work has taken him around the world to give voice to stories of people persisting in turbulent times. engaged in conflict transformation programs and worked alongside opposition activist in zimbabwe. collaborated on advocacy campaigns in egypt,dv syria. there is an award-winning film.

including the now from minister con. it was nominated for a wedding. but the defense of the first amendment. he is a frequently invited the speaker and pockets of media and technology. we will hear from randy talk about his new book. thank you to the texas book festival. obviously these events are so important to bring everybody together.

my book generation priced out has the genesis with the go ship fire of 2016. not many people do but some people do. my day job at the tenderloin house. of housing for homeless single adults and san francisco. my day job is with the very very poor. it occurred in a warehouse in oakland that because of housing crisis they used to get parties there. the music was playing a fire broke out. there were no exit 36 young people died in the fire. when that happened and said to

me that used to be that expensive city in the artist and in the bohemians all moved over. as i started to get into this. there is something there's something wrong with a lot of our progressive citiesetli were almost all of them had policies that price at the working and middle class. so the city is all talk about inclusion and diversity. but their land use policies promote exclusion and elitism. that led me to start looking at other cities. we all know the bay area is very expensive.th austin, ten years ago no one would have imagined that i would be talking about austin in the contest of the middle class. like seattle and other cities.

the economics of housing have radically changed. what i'm here today to tell you and whatt i say in my book. it's that austen is really at a crossroads you can follow the lead that san francisco did and have all of these high paid tech workers and not build any housing for them and let them just cannibalize the existing housing stock or you can be proactive and build a lot more housing and do more intensity and create the housing so that you don't have the oracle employeeses pricing out the working and middle class. what is exactly happens. i found in city after city the

story is often the same. i am a boomer myself. the homeowners who bought when things were cheap often are preventing new housing from being built in their neighborhoods. thereby pricing out millenials. also making climate change worse. those folks drive in creating greenhouse gas emissions and that is not sustainable. sabine and environmentalists is more than driving a previous in recycling. that is what i talk about in my book. and just to give you a flavor because our theme is about tech. had people seen the oracle facility in riverside. what used to be there.

heavily lieutenant. we always say in austin we want to keep diversity. we head at their but right near the lake and they can walk down. you are all being evicted. didn't say why. he affected all of them. demolish the building. built new luxury apartments and then it's announced oracle is coming. ceo is here for four hours. there used to be 244 family units. i talk about in the book. we need to create opportunities for them. there is no question but you have to provide the housing for that population. so that is kind of the big picture theme. and we will go on with further discussion. thank you. [applause].

thank you for such a lovely crowd here today. i'm here to introduce san francisco in the long shadow of the valley. it is an oral history which is documenting the rapid ten years of change. it's become the divided cities. in and displacement to other areas. arriving there as set -- sort of a newcomer.

the tech and non- tech communities.n t i interviewed over hundred 50 people. they boiled them down into transcripts in their court stories in assembled when i think are the most impactful third that are here for you. see you can see a community have a conversation with the self that it's not easy to have. we all live in our own corners of her own community. it's often very challenging for us to really understand what's happening down the block. but alone across the city from us. the book is an opportunity for us to crack that open.ng i think it is a useful metaphor for what's happening in the rest of the u.s. i'm originally from new york. we've seen these changes occur over 30 or 40 years. liking public institutions our problem.

i think san francisco lets us look at compressed. a five or ten years where the t change is really radical. you can see them identifying a problem learning for solutions and a collective and intentional way of managing the change that is inevitable right now. i thought i would read a section of the book quickly just to give you the favor of one of the voices in it. he is an uber driver. speemac this is my introduction. he sits by the window. looking down the street at an old strip club not flanked by shops and restaurants. it was all intended for the young professionals. born and raised in the democratic were cargill -- republic of congo.de he have studied computer science and got a degree and he dreamed he would be one of the lucky strolling down the street. i didn't speak english at all

the first time i went to starbucks i have my dictionary with me. and i ordered a coffee i was hoping the person would just say yes and just give me the coffee but somehow she asked me do you need room for cream. based on the dictionary room is a space you find in an apartment or house. when i used to go to the burger place in a person would ask how you like your meat cook. sometimes you found something that was very will done. that's how survival instincts work. i came here and it was going very bad. i took the path a lot of immigrants take. work hard. i sold sunglasses, i was a waiterla there was nothing easy. many people went through worse than me so i kept going. reminds me of that property from tom's freedom to every morning in africa the sun comes up in a line has to run faster than the gazelle otherwise he will starve to death. i gazelle wakes up and makes

sure it knows. it doesn't matter if you are a lion or gazelle when the sun comes up you better start running. tefriend of mine told me about this. i knew the city from time to time i used to work at limo service. i was one of the earliest uber drivers in the world. it's town cars who made uber what it is now. we knew how to build business long-term. it exploded all this and everybody knew that they wanted to use it. i'm going to uber home. they gave me the opportunity to work in the freedom of time. i worked 1214 hours per day. i got my car in my own commercial registration. my own everything. two cars, three drivers. san francisco was there.

we are now up to a hundred thousand or more eating from the same piece of cake. we get that question a lot now. i don't know why we are not talking about cappuccino. how do you like it here. you know what a hundred% i love it. that should be the answer. drivers we talk about some people the first question is where a few from. but you have an accent because i drink a lot of coffee. i told someone i was out of milk. the ride was only ten minutes. the arrogance more than ignorance. they pick you up at a push of a button. that is a sharing economy. they can use you for certain specific time one day maybe they will be obsolete and self

driving cars almost done. the only drivers who will disappear who will get insurance when no one is driving. all these people are gonna find themselves without jobs also. that's how goes now. people don't value human beingsth making money is what matters. i get so many complaints about homeless people and that never used to happen. i tried doing something about it. what about giving the time. some people have issues and some people were better than us but they didn't had luck. there is a thin linehee he'd goe to the car and i could tell from his accent that he was from india or pakistan. that was part of the story. do you like working for them. i said it's a trap of dealing with it. and then he goes where you from. i said from africa a country called congo. i'm from here.

i'm silent. are you busy tonight. it's usually busy. it's usually busy. i said what is making good money to you. what you do for living. a living. he said i work in finance. i said i make about $200,000. so i'm knocking to not can make $200,000 maybe you think that's what is good and appeared some people here are making $10 billion why should i be making that. what separates me and you from him. the guy got frustrated and said can you please just drop me off over here.et i have seen the story already a society that doesn't value human beings they don't want

to admit it. we are not first in the world anymore. maybe we have the best army in the world and the best economy but for how long. what is a rating of our schools when it comes to math and physics compared to other countries. how the people have access to healthcare. i'm self-sufficient. every time i meet with somebody who is 21 or 22 years old and he's telling me he is doing uber x full-time. go somewhere that will care for you. somewhere that will give you a shelter and justice system. these are the differences between these. i came here to find them. and i still don't have them. the united states of america is not a country of the is a corporation and a platform to make money. within that platform yet option of succeeding or feeling. you better start running. and i'm still running.

[applause]. come back to you for a couple of questions. would you speak to a few things. your book has a great chapter on austinn with 20 different 20 different things that are happening around the city from what's going well to where things are not measuring up. could you speak a little bit in the pros and cons of what we are doing l i think the thing about austin is we want to keep austin weird everyone was we like that image but there are things going on what i call the dark side of austin that really doesn't get enough attention. to be working with tenants myem

whole career it was weird that something could go in and in the six months notice demolished 240 units of rental housing when we have the entire cityy government saying austin need to do a better job about segregation. but then the actual policies are not matching those with the rhetoric. i think that we need to work on. in northern california where sanford's. they don't pretend to care about inclusion. they don't want to be weird. they wanted to be a white elite community. they have a different mentality. and they they say they want diversity and affordability w but then you have to do the policies to create it. especially when you guys are doing a phenomenal job with tech workers. if you don't adhere housing supply in the tech workers are good to go working and middle-class people used to live. and those units become theirs.

where did the families go that austin wants to keep the diversity you want to keep they have to go further out in long commutes which are very unproductive.o it's also not creating the austin community. what you really want to do is have inclusion you and had better transit even have the infill housing and more liberal neighborhoods for all people that's why they say housing for all as opposed to becoming an elitist unclaimed. enclave. and i think austin has really as i said at a crossroads which way is it can be. is it can be weird as can worry about the people that have the money to afford what they can afford or is it where you really care abouter our latino population has been displaced. we don't want to be like palo alto. like what boulder is becoming. they said they wanted to be like that. i think austin needs to be true to how you guys think of it. and that requires building more housing.

we've just been through a pretty challenging cycle here in austin. unaware that is very controversial. you really did a great job of saying what a horrible name. come next. >> i love how you treated that in your book. we get so focused sometimes with that. we to move the question. with to get a new law. your book also talks about the tools we head on the books today in austin when it comes to effective code enforcement for safe housing and how we aren't even putting the resources behind our safe house. they have a city manager form of government. the laws are on the book. you guys know the drill. they would never be tolerated in san francisco. a

with the same housing code as you do. you have enforcement. it's not a priority. it's getting a little better because of pressure but that's one very easy way to make tenants feel like they can live in austin because if you're living in really bad conditions and pain a high rent or if the only place they can afford is the really bad conditions that doesn't really work for kids and families growing up with rats and mold and all the terrible things i talk about in my book. you can take that. minneapolis and portland and seattle they are to try to get for plexus there. there's nothing really evil about a four plex. it increases supply and affordability in there needs to be more flexibility. and you have a lot of land in austin you can build without increasing too much density but there seems to be this feeling like it's all good workout. because it has always worked out for austin. most of your life it has

worked out. i'm trying to tell you and you probably know. it's now a different world since 2012. the last five years have changed austin's housing market and it's not going back to the slacking days where he could get great housing. those days are gone. i think that is a reality check that my book tries to get. i hope you're not offended by it. thank you. we want active engagement. that's over here. speaking of slackers you've a very diverse set of folks that you interviewedu' for your book the media tycoons to tattoo and earners to a wrapper in oakland. i love that chapter how did you find your subjects i had been for a long time. you just pounding the pavement

and you reach out to people. there is a serendipity involved though. i have to admit there is a chapter in the book in which there is a trap -- cab driver. i was in his cabin and he was a good talker. he was the have of the taxi commission. it meant that the city was way to meet the recorder. he lives in dolores park and looks over a very beautiful part of the city. is watching them undo the work of the city. very few of which meet any hybrid standard. there are the ways that they were once a place of tremendous innovation in the public sector and is now

they're fighting it very hard to keep up with all of the innovation innovation and change that's happening in the private sector. the degree to which talking about. user amplified by how they are segregated spaces. we are very much on the same page. with housing. they have this have this whole fleet of other problems healthcare and how people write arrive at school. there is a story in san francisco of one school that lostan 13 teachers and one year due to rent hikes. they should of been interconnected. and i think it helps us masked the degree in which we areee all deeply related to each other.

we are radiating effects that we don't realize. i think it helps to do these things to see that. carrie mentioned teachers. it's how teachers and hotel workers and firefighters and nurses can't afford to live in the cities that they work in just crazy but to show you how some people are just against any housing in san jose they are building housing for teachers so they can afford that. you think teacher housing that's who could be against teachers with housing. 4500 people said that they were undesirable tent is --dash make tenants. that is a palo alto world of

exclusion that you don't want austin to be. they can't afford to be living in any of the cities that i write about. tech is the great disruptor is there a tech solution in any of this where you seen the engagement in the text document tech community on these challenges. i think it's important that it is not a monologue in the story. there are ten to 15 people deep within the industry near look --dash make your need to be useful to the project. they take themselves an hour and a half bus. they come back finding their own time with their own high rents and challenges in their life. all the kinds of things that are really necessary to turn a committee around.

anyway it's very challenging for them. they are major investor class. people think they are trying to lead a spirit of volunteerism in the city. and it's not enough. the challenge often is that it looks at philanthropy and volunteerism. it treats as it experience it will otherwise drive by and it will lift all ships otherwise. and the challenge i think the book is reflected that those are working in the current economy right now. the good will is goodwill is there within the tech community. particularly in the younger generation that wants to build businesses. the challenge is figuring out how to build the center of gravity. i don't think there is another place for it. or we we can develop a consensus solution and

coordinated action and critical mass to be able to drive the kind of solutions. they really need to regulate across sectors. i'm optimistic that that is possible but we have a moment right now where there is a ton of wealth coming through cities like that. that wealth has been captured at the 1% currently and not traveling down to the working class. what does that mean when we hit the next cycle and that wealth is not there anymore. what is it mean in two or three or four years or sooner they really create a pool of resources. there is a national project in washington right now that is very divisive is outright cruel.

we are having a very difficult time in our cities arguing for a way of life that is not just as cruel or accidentally just as cruel or structurally just as cruel. we need to find this moment in the next several years to really turn that around and around and figure out ways of coming together there are people in the book that arguing for solutions in that way. i want to tell you guys might book is the most pro- tech book. the standard book and the analysis that you find in san francisco is to blame tech workersci and the young people paying the skyrocketing rents. instead of blaming city policy for not building the housing. that is what i argue in my book. i .. .. to get more housing in san francisco our tech workers because they come out their job only a

hundred thousand dollars in student debt. in their pain $3,500 a month for one bedroom in san francisco. typically with three to four roommates. everyone thinks i'm making all this money. but actually it's going to my student debt and to the rent and i don't have anything. i have no future in the city unless we build more housing, more affordability. really the tech workers are part of the solution. tech companies don't build housing. silicon valley allowed all these jobs to be treatable in the '90se and sense. the neighbors, cupertino city council will not allow apple to build housing. what will those people that? san francisco. there not going to live in daly city. it's not a hip place. tech workers are moving in becoming part of the solution in san francisco andrs shouldn't be

blamed as they often are and they i discussed in the book of documentaries, blending of tech workers are so unfair. insteadar of blaming city polics that don't build the housing and pit tech workers against anyone else for scarce land. we could do more in every city there's the same dynamic for upper income tenants are blamed, the ones paying p the skyrocketg -- are not landlords. their tenants. the are paying these future rentshe and they are mad as hell that's what it talked about. i'm with the tech workers and i see, we're seeing in san francisco we elected in june the woman who called who grew up in a public housing project you called yourself the first yes in my backyard mayor. people are starting to realize that if we don't build housing it just fits all the terrorist against each other and everybody loses. [applause]

>> i'm so glad to mention yes in my backyard. the first place i ever saw that was in san francisco and a must a connection with her campaign. it really runs conquered something other sacred cow the output and room that is fundamental to the organization of government in the city which is neighborhood associations which is something i know you speak you and your work and try to reconcile yes in my backyard with a neighborhood association. >> let me mention all these books come out about gentrification and never blame neighborhood association. it's always evil developers. so easy. greedy developers, evil developers. that eliminates any personal responsibility to the new homeowner. it's the developers evil. the reality is thehe greatest investment in places like thein bait there is homes go. we have property tax limit which you don't have with rising property taxes but within uprising because we have prop

13, owners are doing great and to make money by restricting supply. i think austin and los angeles are right about this in every city because the lines are the same at austin and los angeles are the two most powerful neighborhood groups in the united states. if a neighborhood group doesn't something to happen, it doesn't happen. what that also means, people who have an economic interest in that building housing are being allowed to veto housing. policymaking.d has to change. you see in seattle where they decided neighborhood groups and say they're notd representative, they are older and white and wealthy. people of color are not in the neighborhood groups frequently. you've all theseseer diverse cis where the policy be made by small number of homeowners. an outlay they are wealthy homeowners up on the hillside. are you in favor of in law apartment? in favor mom and apple pie? these hillsides and upscale, all

these places up in the palisades, these hillside homeowner groups are trying to stop theg hosted at the list of having in law apartment because they don't want any tenants living in the neighborhood. that's wrong. that's wrong. [applause] >> i'm going that one more question to you guys and then turn over to questions and i didn't so be thinking about questions and if sure you can queue up speed of the microphones i see in the back. i think in both books, it is not game over in the bay area. there is a sense of optimism. the people, cary, in your book i'll want, are activated and wanting to do something and they're very different ideas of what to do. randy, you didn't just say game

over. you have a blueprint in your book of here are the strategies that can help us. soso speak for a minute if you would just about your optimism on the issues of gentrification. but are we running out of time? >> i spoke a low bit about in the last question butok i think everybody interviewed in the book, whether it's a longshoreman who so loved working in the dockyards in san francisco, whether a tattoo artist who's running their own shop, whether it's a major investor, whether it's google buzz protester, all see a problem together that identify nearly commonly and default oriented themselves toward solving it. there is not one person i met in the bay area who wasn't what they thought they could do whether they drew their circle as the community, the bay area writ large, their town, neighborhood, family, et cetera. i'm super hasta miscast --

optimistic we have the right energy and reasonable a b brilliant people in city tried to think towards solutions. we have lost some of our ability to figure out some of these negotiated mechanism for bring people together and developing collective action. i also think we have times drilled down into solutions that are the beginning of the problem but forget that with housing needs to come ever suctioned vilma, school development, all these other things. we need to start talking at a skill of arguing for a way of life where we can all be together to see each other as equals. that is so a much in austin, the bay areas, new york's tradition, our cities have been part of the tradition for a long line time. if we y can revive that they gei think have a path forward. >> my view of cities is the working middle class built the cities, not the rich. the working middle class can who runs the pta? who runs the soccer clubs? who runs a baseball leaks?

you take that fabric out of our cities and leave it on to the rich and subsidized for, yet failed cities. i'm very optimistic because people learning. i'm looking at election results where we making progress in all the seeds of mention, austin is more at a crossroads than other cities. so many people are realizing we have to change our we're losing our middle and working class. i believe the imperative, the public support, it all comes and what want? i think i'm hoping to expose the real undercurrent of why we let people notot build housing and stop housing making homeowner power in the neighborhood association. we have to address that. i'm very optimistic but we have to make the change now. not five years from now. you can follow what i'm doing on twitter. a report on issues around all

the cities i write about because i'm very personally connected to all the cities where we're trying to get for my complexes in minneapolis and more housing and all the various cities but i think you guys can get it all. you can make a difference in austin. it's people like you are going to side exhaust is going to be an elitist or exclusion or or promote diversity? it's a question of politicalal will. >> thank thank you, rained and . we will have questions the audience. please be sure to speak directly into the microphone so that folks in the room can alter your question. >> i was born in san francisco, grew up in daly city, went to berkeley and moved to austin a long time ago. i wanted to defend austin a little bit. the problem in the bay area that you identify was actually correct. the million-dollar shack is not good for anybody in the bay area whole lot of housing and needs to be torn

down, when hundred years old and it's not worth keeping. but austin, austin is building things like the new development, fairly high density, all kinds of income levels. and also things like foundation communities which i presume you know about. if you don't know about you need to come it's the most brilliant concept i've ever heard of. where you take decrepit housing, rehab every single unit, love people in. they have to some income. it is basically the working poor, and it is most brilliant concept i've ever i heard of. >> question? >> yes. my question is do you know about it and would you support trying to move thatit kind of thing to san francisco and the bay area? >> i just say briefly one of the things san francisco has against it, structurally, is it is ordered on three sides by water. they can only build up. they can't build out and can't connect. it has a real challenge insofar as connecting, and also bridges

and huge mass? >> guest: system. to your point at a think for some perspective to be like a legitimate viable city the way we are discussing we are working, people can live near their jobs and continue to be in communities that they been in for generations. requires affordable housing. it requires affordable housing. it absolutely requires it. >> i think you have a whole section in your book the balkanization. how many different governments are there? >> the other challenge in summer cisco which i don't know austin who but san francisco has nine counties that are governed individually. water rights, housing sharing, infrastructure all have to be coordinated and negotiated across nine counties. it's a giant giantes mess when t comes to doing anything significant in that scale. >> we have travis county. >> let me mention one point

which mention of oberhausen and obviously you have the bulk of tenant in this country cannot afford market rent. we have to have the federal government could back to their historic role of subsidizing rinse. only one quarter of the eligible households for federal housing assistance get that a draft document people in my book and primarily can do it, who earn too much for government subsidies because i know you have an enforceable housing bond that is important to austin and think affordable housing is a whole incredibly important thing in san francisco and we're doing a lot of that compels us to do with the working middle class. >> thanks for shout out prop eight. it's cool. people should vote for it but my question i can specifically to you, , randy, since you are involved with tenant unions, here in texas is basically we have no renter protections and

rights. people get thrown out for even discussing attendants union. so my question is is how do tenants organized in orderhe to protect each other when can its unions are de facto, illegal? >> the state has preempted so many tools that austin could have for tenants. whenever anyone comes up with a good idea the state legislature court goes up and audience it again. i feel sorry for austin hatcher state government is in austin. all the dues interview with what you guys are trying to do. i aware of that. i get it. [applause] the one thing that i don't think they can do is if you do the density bonus model where developer voluntarily accept affordability in exchange for additionaley height, and those affordability can attend a protections. that seems to me the one thing you are legislature can't interfere with, but i'm glad you

brought that up because i i shod mention it. austin is really under, hampered by state government tried to protect its low-income population thank you for bringing that up. >> i'm going to reformer, something we talked about because we did get so focused on the dynamics, state and local dynamics but we've got the tools on a books today to improve the lot for our working-class. but of a corn use them? >> i agree. >> i'm a long-term austin might and former san franciscan and the question i have is completely irrelevant for austin but very relevant for san francisco. and that is rentrr control. i very clearly see how if you are low to moderate income person and you managed to score an apartment in san francisco, especially back in the '90s when on i moved there, you really, really needed just to stay the dirt on you than if you try to move the now you've got people like people are making

quite a bit of money who are qualified for this very low apartment just because i have been there so long. i can't wrap my head around that. that. i'm wondering what you guys think is it's a third rail in san francisco, but what do you think about the policy wise? >> part of the issue is san francisco rent control stock is so off. i think since 1979. it's from decades ago. increasing rent control and housing stock would decrease its scarcity and the privileget getting around it. i do think nonetheless though my experience of new york women control is a more successful and more profitable policy as it helps balance things out. there's also to enforcement in many of the cities around airbnb and the use of rent-controlled apartment for those. that feels like a terrifying crisis waiting, begging for enforcement and regulation. >> i would just say that even

though we're in austin no points bennie thompson peaking but rent control. i see your state government as ever-changing. it's going to be a long time for that so you not have to be thinking about rent control here. it's not happening in austin for the foreseeable future. >> i have a question about kind of mismatch of economic development bringing jobs and then also the building of housing. you spoke about that, randy but what are some of the ways corporations will bring those jobs can play a role in building housing or providing housing? >> that is a great question. as aat set animation and discussing the book holcomb apple, facebook, all the companies you know are able to add thousands of jobs in silicon valley a without building any housing? it is crazy. oracle, when they took over their housing here, they didn't have to build anything. austin didn't ask him to contribute. that's unfortunate.

but what usually happens with the corporation says is it's up to the city to require it, and the cities don't want housing. they don't care how much rent goes up in san francisco or austin or whatever. they will just bring the workers in figure so that's why again the whole thing of my book, city policies make a difference. if cities required a job connection, we want you to,, and is unfortunate is not coming to austin it looks like. looks like it's going in northern virginia. [applause] because i was really worried. i was very worried about it coming to austin but am i'm thinking that's great. amazon, they don't build housing. read in my book what amazon did at the seattle housing market. they were advertising 10,000 jobs a month. where are of those people goino live? rent in seattle went up like the stratosphere. that woman's question is a great one and that's why a you have to get city officials to do the right thing.

[applause] >> i find it very interesting. my degree was in urban sociology at columbia university and i was a rent organized in new york. i want to bring the point you're talking about, talk about oracle coming here in austin and replacing all the people on south riverside who are being forced out with a new housing and the revamped housing as opposed to what the united auto workers did in memphis tennessee when they moved into, when they moved in a build housing. they built all the housing in west nashville, put together by ford, ford and uaw got together to build housing and they could afford to housing. the same thing happened in culver city, california,. >> what is the question? >> what can we do to stop people like oracle from coming in and usurping us and grooming are

ethnic neighborhoods inner-city? >> just briefly, wonderful things we are just a lowly tech company seeks to the fire on is diversity of hiring, education, programs in the community and community integration. we are asking a series of questions that get directed properly at housing and don't ask for a suite of other things for them to do. there's absolutely no obligation to wire from the i community, actually an obligation to within the community and an obligation to build in a way that is respectful to what has existed prior to that and doesn't create a huge amount of displacement. there are our people are experd how to do this. to certain degree probably in randy's book as well. thinking hard how do hold their feet to the fire. >> oracle and the uaw are very different. also it gets back to what i say in my book, i want to push this again, this argument. city officials have too push the

companies and the people have to push the city officials. that's how it works. [applause] thank you. >> we are going to conclude there. i hope you will -- [applause] we will be signing books just down congress. thank you. [applause] >> randy, you are a rabble-rouser. i love it. >> i am. >> i know, i know. >> here are some of the current best-selling nonfiction books according to indiebound, group of independent bookstores who are members of the american booksellers association.

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