trump organization, as a businessman, somebody who wants all the information, not just some. you don't need gatekeepers so that's the real i think here, that's the secret sauce. the president loves all the information on all sides of any issue and then he'll make the best decision that he thinks is right for america as opposed to gatekeepers who are trying to control or control the narrative, control what you learned. i think he is somebody who recognized that fairly quickly and really has changed how he does the job of. >> "after words" airs saturday at 10 pm and sundays at nine eastern and pacific on book tv. all previous "after words" are available to watch online at book tv.org. >> as part of our book festival coverage, but tv attended the 20 18th national

press club book fair where he spoke with white house correspondent april ryan about covering the trump administration . >> rape orion's latest book iscalled under fire, reporting from the front lines of the trump white house . here's miss ryan, what's the difference between covering a president trump and some of the other presidents you covered? >> there's a huge difference, the biggest difference is that the other presidents uncovered, the last three verses the current president, even though they did not agree with us and there might have been some retaliation, there's still a friendly adversarial relationship but there was respect, we understood we had to work with each other but this administration, with this administration the problem is that they look at us as the enemy. when we tell the truth and when we get asked, he believes where theopposition. he believes we have an agenda. he doesn't understand we are one of the pillars of the foundation of this nation , what the founding fathers placed.

it's an awkward, painful, deadly time for reporters in this administration compared to the prior administration that i covered. >> what's a typical day at the white house for you? >> corey in late. most days there's no leaving but you wait for him to talk, you wait for him to speak, you wait for him to take a question or not take your question . it's a different day. it's a very differentday. the dynamic has changed . we are losing ground and it comes to being a part of the fourth estate. we're not getting the daily back and forth, not getting the access, not finding out the things about what's happening on a certain issue or policy so will hear him when he allows us to come in. we used to have more back-and-forth with principles and the press secretary but now it's different and we are again part of that is because they don't like us. we are under fire if you

will, i am under fire for the questions we ask and it's a different day. wehave to see how this plays out . >> april ryan, we've seen the public interaction betweenyou and sarah huckabee sanders . >> have you seen it? >> is it different privately between you and the administration? >> no. what's unfortunate is i had a great relationshipwith every one i've worked with until this administration . we tried to reach that but as long as sarah huckabee sanders is performing for an audience of one, or boss, or daddy boss, the president of the united states, she will never have a kind word to say to me or a friendly adversarial way to treat me in that room or in that building. it's bad. it's really bad and when i

tried to do is keep my head up and do my job. it's not about me, it's about the issues. it's not about me. >> your first book was presidency in black and white, this one is called under fire. the molarity's or differences between the two books? >> big differences. this one is about me and as a journalist, you're not supposed to be the story and i had to take you inside to the fight, the real fight, the arguments, the name-calling, the back-and-forth . why they put me on a blacklist, why they don't like me. i took the veil off the mystery about the white house,bringing you in from my stronghold view as a reporter . covering the place about what is different now. the danger, how it all started. and just the difference of this atmosphere versus atmospheres of years ago. and it's my story, it's true

and it was hard to write this. other books, the first book, i let people talk and tell their story. everyone has a story but i don't like telling my own because i'm reporting on other people and it was tough . >> your life has changed quite a bit since the trump administration came into office. you're a regular on cnn now. you've been a lot more public . >> i'm glad you brought that up. sean spicer and sarah, president and even steve bannon have said your huge now because of us. i was always there and people want to say that i did this area you put the spotlight on me by telling me shaking my head when i didn't shake my head, you put the spotlight on me when you told me to get the cdc together for a meeting. i didn't do that, you did that.

so i've been doing this for a long time, i've been outthere and when it comes to cnn, we've been talking , so just it's kind of happened at the same time but this president did not make me. i am morgan state made, i am april made. i was just prepared for the time. >> president clinton, w bush, obama and the trump, one story from each area. >> one-story, bill clinton, the greatest initiative. the soul food i put together with black journalists and bill clinton talking about range. george w. bush, what's his story? i toured the gallery, the corporate art gallery across the street from the white house. we walked with the first lady laura bush and we toured the exhibit and we watched the primitively crafted quilts, view them and in that space, we saw a posey and his old

elderly women, these women who still felt the same slavery, oppression, jim crow and they encircled the first lady and just raised a hand saying thank you, because they felt that the highest office in the land was paying attention to them. and george w. bush, i've got so much to tell you we had a great conversation all the time about issues of race. and one of the things that stand out in my mindabout him , is the night that barack obama was named president, 41st president of the us. not trump, the bushes would go to bed at 9:30 at night, the lights were on until 11 until he was named president and i'll neverforget the spontaneous crowd that came to the white house. and i saw the kids chanting . he heard that but he still celebrated. the change and history for

barack obama, he told me a week prior to that he said he saw the over racism that was going on. i was shocked, the honesty and the conversation and i'll never forget the day that barack obama, the day after he was elected and the president marked history from the rose garden, he was in the oval office and i don't know what was going on. he was pacing back and forth and we were waiting for him to come out and he had steve hadley and others in the audience and all of a sudden he turned to the doors and saw me and he stopped and he raised the roof and we both laughed and changed the atmosphere inthat room. now a story of this president . >> what about president obama? >> what is the story of president obama, traveling to africa with him. doing the interview with him on air force one.

and i don't tell the story a lot but it's not about politics and policy, this is a personal thing. when he was leaving office, he and michelle obama were leaving the white house, my two daughters a personal audience to say goodbye. that was special. and it was touching for me, is not about policy. my children saw that dealt in these two historic persons in the white house. and now to president trump. what do i think about the moment? the thing that i think about him is can you get the cdc together? i think about why i'm in the center of the fire for them because of all rosa and the residue still lingers and i think about david still bothers me. but david, i asked the president,are you a racist?

january 2018 , and now we are the latter part of 2018. and people are calling it out. and they were very angry with me for asking that question but if you remember, the lead up to that question , explanation versus norway, people were saying it. and think about charlottesville and david johnson and how they treated frederica wilson. i think about all that in the area so that question, and i asked the head of the naacp, what is the definition of a racist? they said the intersection where the meeting of power and presence so i asked the question and he never answered me and he answered that question three days later that sunday but now the nation is bringing that question up again. and i'm in trouble for that. but i'm a reporter who sees what's going on. i listen to the wind, i listen to my sources, listen to whatthey have to say and i

asked the questions and for that i get on trouble . >> have you been able to develop sources in white house? >> yes. it's interesting, i have great republican sources. i have great republican sources. i call them whistleblowers. they give megood credible information . i can be so bad, steve bannon one of have to hours with me in his home . i had my security with me, but i can't be so bad. but it's been an interesting life and i don't want to talk about the other people, high-ranking people that fought with me but i still talk today, i don't think it's a game. i think they want me to know that they don't like me but at the same time they understand there's an audience out there that i reach and sometimes they come to me, reach out to me and other times they shun me that it's okay because i'll be there, i pray when they're gonelike i've done with others . >> under fire is the name of april ryans newest book, the

presidencyin black-and-white was her previous and another one coming . >> at mom's knee as well in there, three books. >> i'm working on doing a little re-shifting, this was an interesting, this book really took a lot out of me. it hurt me because i had to relive it again and out of this book something else is being born. and in looking at the struggles and the how people are handling change or trying to make change, i think there's another book. there's another book coming very soon. >> thank you for your time on book tv. >> i love book tv. >> an eye out for more interviews from the press club fair to air in the near future. x also watch them and any of our programs in their entirety at booktv.org, the author's name in the book bar at the top of the page. >>.

>> here are some of the current best-selling nonfiction books according to the los angeles times. >> topping the list is becoming, michelle obama's reflections on her life and her time as first lady . next, new york staff writer susan orlean recounts the los angeles library fire of 1986 in the library book followed by tara westover's educated, a memoir for life growing up in the idaho mountains. and her introduction to formal education at age 17. after that, and lamontoffers her thoughts on hope, forgiveness and generosity in almost everything . >> ..