>> on behalf of all of us thank you for this incredible opportunity and thank you for putting together this incredible book that even those of us that barely made it through law school especially for those who want to get a great understanding of the constitutionts and its application today. thank you. >> thank you so much. [inaudible conversations]

>> it is an exciting time. also more worried that we are fighting too much, arguing too much. screaming too much like hatfield and mccoy's. i say that's great because that means these are signs of vitality and of life. that it's on it's last leg that people are fighting and debating so something of value is concerned and that is the conservative movement which is still a major actor in american politics. at the same time we have an opportunity to accept change. that's part of what it means to be a conservative today not to be so resistant not to allow anything to happen is

inevitable as long as it is prudent change and i is a traditional conservative looking for the right kind of leadership so i welcome all that's going on right now all the various strains of conservativism that is good. coming out of that will be a bigger and better and more relevant conservative movement in the years ahead. >> very would go absently crazy if he were watching this today yelling at the television and think it's embarrassing the situation we have with donald trump it's not the republican party or the country we knew 25 or 30 years ago. that was susan goldwater marc m. >> right. i think there is something to be said for that at about the

same time goldwater was a practical politician. not just a man of principle of the conscious of the conservative but also practical. he would have said wait a minut minute. 63million people voted for him. why? what is he doing? he would say supreme court nominations. deregulation. tax cuts. strong military. national defense, concerned free but fair i think he would have applauded all of those things. i'm pretty sure he would have at the same time he probably would have said something like why didn't trump's mother wash out his mouth with soap? and make them understand we don't need a potty mouth

except goldwater where not have use the word potty. >> how did you become known as a conservative historian quick. >> i don't think i am. i think the historian of the conservative movement is george nash who wrote a marvelous book called the intellectual history of the conservative movement that is the bible and the primer that we refer to if you want to know what happened through the seventies. george nash is a marvelous painstaking and brilliant historian. it so happens i have written some books and biographies and histories.

so maybe i am coming up from fifth or sixth and making my way up i didn't start out to be a historian but i started to be a novelist and that didn't work out so well. [laughter] i wrote three very bad novels that never got published thankfully because it would be an embarrassment and then i got into political writing over 25 years then one day i said i'm burned out want to go to the academy and teach and write i went back to school to get a phd that's right have been the last 20 or 30 years i have also picked up some from churchill i love the one line that says what will history say about you mister

churchill? he said i know because i will write it. i think what i'm trying to do in a small way with my work is to paint a picture of the conservative movement sometimes from the insider from the outside so people 50 years from now can return to my books and understand the conservative movement better and in more depth. >> one book is reading the right books the guide for the intelligent conservative. >> error 109 books my favorite are in their for go the conscience of a conservativ conservative, biography goldwater that i feel is a pretty good book. the road to serfdom and what we try to do is eight or nine

different categories with economics, politics, and what we did is take a book like the road to serfdom and the go down a page or a page and a half to get people to see what it is to spark their interest and make them take up the whole book and read it. and actually that little bit - - a little book is only 125 pages is one of the hardest things i ever did because i had to read a book and then condense it down to three or 400 words. that really is not easy. that takes an amount of concentration and focus to do

that i can do it for anymore than a couple books in a day so it took a while to come up those 109 books.

>> ben, great to be with you. thank you for all of your effor effort. what an incredible four years on fentanyl ink so let's dive right in. my interest was that i come from new hampshire and i started a bipartisan task force with 100 members of congress working together and we have been hit very hard in our state 471 deaths last year. but the mix of