>> "washington journal" continues. host: we want to welcome back >> were welcoming back a friend of the speech c-span network which is what we call the first nonpartisan, not a new site devoted to covering the issues for broken democracy and the efforts out there to make democracy work better. >> looking at the impeachment where are we quick. >> today we are in the weekning of anotherer

six. the house set the ground rules last week on the partyline vote. now we have another week packed with scheduled depositions. several witnesses we think will not show up and the most important thing that will happen this week is that mister schiff's committee says it will release the transcripts of the depositions taken so far. those are the headlines teeseven weather representatives spears or adam schiff talking about the process and where it is heade headed, they say we will have open hearings but so far they are not saying when. why quick. >> that's a great question. are they are working behind the scenes to get their ducks in a a row if they are trying to make a case with the public hearings to the country as well as members of the house. so that their cases solid to bring articles off impeachment.

those are producing behind the scenes. coming up on thanksgiving will make it difficult. that week will be difficult to schedule hearings. they are trying to do two things at once. make the best case for the country and hurry up and do this and those are not always in alignment. >> so with those closed-door sessions, could it happen as early as next week or until after thanksgiving quick. >> it could happen as early as next week. i do not have a sense who is the ideal opening witness. they have attorneys and there is a lot going on. but yes, i do think that since they have made clear that they want to do what they will do

on the house side by this calendar year by the week before christmas then time is essence. >> with the impeachment of bill clinton we cover that as well from the house floor representative policy on 1998 as the house was about to vote on the impeachment of clinton before it went to the senate and listen to what she said. >> today the republican majority is not judging the president with fairness but impeaching him with a ajvengeance. in the investigation of the president fundamental principles which americans hold dear, privacy, fairness is an checks and balances have been seriously violated. why? as we are here today because the republicans in the house are paralyzed with hatred of president clinton and until

the republicans freebl themselves our country will suffer teeseven that was 20 years ago. >> it was and it is fascinating. we will be playing clipsit today of people who are still involved in this impeachment that were involved in that one. but i will take a moment to take a note almost every time i am on c-span we talk about term limits. allay look from the videolk these people are still around but in fact only pelosi is only one of 56 that is one out of every eight who was a round for both this one and that 17 out of eight have not been through this before it is enormous turnover. it is a awesome responsibility and both sides take it very i seriously. just like we saw was senator graham from the last block our

members who all were wearing different hats now than they were then. i'm sure you could hand mrs. pelosi script any republican they would be happy to read it now with the changed name change from president clinton to president trump. >> those that were in the house then andths today is republican congressman peter king. this is what he had to say december 1990 on the impeachment of bill clinton. >> this is a nation consumerer scandal. and what we are talking about in this case the president's conduct is immoral. but the fact is i don't believe n it rises and the principal setting is that in the future all of us who assumes the office of presidency is subject to civil dispositions and lawsuits and then to examine a and scrutinize

, how many former presidents if this is the case if this from prior times of crisis? also i would ask my fellow republicans in the eighties we saw the abuses a special counsel as they went against the reagan administration. we saw good people like elliot abrams brought down on charges involving lying.ab we rallied against it but today somehow we are willing to apply a different standard and principle. l.. that is wrong it is a sad day for the country in a sad year for the nation because of the conduct of the president but also because i believe house republicans we have to risei to our obligationav. as a matter of conscience i must vote against impeachment. [applause] >> fascinating. yes he went to new york but i

guess that is an indication he will stick with him the way mister king stuck with clinton ago. he is one of the five that votedbl against the impeachment and there were five democrats who voted for impeaching

but everything we are through now as a

child molester, gets on national tv, mimics people with disabilities, if you can support , what kind ofthat america are you? if you support somebody like that, not only is he not fit to the president, you are not fit to be an american. thank you. said is whatt you you hear from the president's critics all the time, every day. i think it is safe to predict -- every president changes the culture in some way, not necessarily by the policies they pursue but by the personality that they present to the public. approach totrump's

discourse will change the culture for some time. it will change probably what our children believe is appropriate. that having been said, we are talking today about the bill clinton impeachment -- there was plenty of evidence that mr. clinton's behavior did likewise. that his behavior changed what children t >> what children thought was appropriate in terms of dealing with a thought was or could be viewed as honest, so i would just see thatf this is the nate of the presidency. the presence of both parties especially those with forceful personalities and bill clinton had a forceful personality. so does donald trump that they are daily presentation to the country really permeates the culture in ways that i say we'll see for some s sometime. >> of course is the fourth time that this house of

representatives has taken on the impeachment process. johnson, but it didn't happen. nixon resigned before there was mud in theor house by the second time that was with bill clinton as you mentioned in december of 1998 after the house voted on impeachment is what he told his orders from the rose garden. syria on it echo something mr. gephardtdt said. it is something i have felt strongly all my life. we must stop the politics of personal destruction. [applause] we must get rid of the poisonousri venom of excesse partisanship and obsessive animosity and uncontrolled ang anger. that is not what america deserves. that is not what america is about.

we are doing will now. we are a good decent country. we have significant challenges and we have to face. in order to do it right, we have to have some atmosphere of decency and civility. some presumption of good faith. some sense of personality and balance in bringing judgment against those who are in different parties. we have important work to do. we need a constructive debate that almost all of the different voices in this country heard. in the whole of the congress. what the american people know today that i am still committed. to working with people of good faith and goodwill of both parties to do what is best for our country. to bring our nation together to let the people up and move us all forward together. it is what i troy to do from for six years and is what i intend

to do for tomorrow. until the last hour of the last day of my term. select this on december 19th 1998 at the rose garden at the white house. >> i am hearing a very different tonality than what we have heard from the current president for the last two years. ses is thede city at a forceful personality and one of his great political skills was that he no and recalibrated himself quite dramatically from moment to moment. he knew in this moment, that it was in his best political interest in this to sound a bit contrite and wounded and to talk about his aspirations which everybody was watching this morning, and everybody was within shouting distance of where you are sitting now, what a great that he did not get what he wished for. we have not had a politics of moderation.

when was the right tone for him to strike at that time. and it served him politically well in the short-term. soon at seven oh six this morning, the president and the real donald trump with this tweet. he said what i saw in the phone call was the ukrainian president is perfectly stated. there is no reason to call witnesses to analyze my words and meaning. this is just another democratic hostess that i have had to live with since they got elected and before. and i call it disgraceful. >> scott araya from pennsylvania. go ahead right. ray: good morning, i really wanted to question the balance of power that he exists and has existed for maybe 50 years. i say that the sheer size and the sheer power now of the executive branch and the weakness of congress in terms of

them always troy to be reelected every two years, is kind of like made a true impeachment kind of impossible. if the two parties were together, if the house and the senate were divided, i say it be a little bit more realistic than impeachment could work but now it just seems like an empty gesture. i like to hear your comments one that. >> host:: you make a really important.about the rise of the executive authority over the last 50 years. every president wants into the hammer, the world is the nail. to every president, they see claiming as much power for s themselves as possible and sort of what they want to do. they are in a balanced power against the executive and

judiciary. each successful president in modern times is tried to push that was possible more more more. george w. bush did it barack obama did and certainly now donald trump is doing it. your connection to that innovation easement is an important one because what we are seeing even this week when we talk about i said almost offhandedly write the start that several of the people who have been asked to come testify this week before the intelligence committee. they're not going to show up. in recent weeks we have sent several people who have been told to not testify come to the congress anyway and testify. and now this week, it seems as though the trend is reversing itself and most of the people who have been summoned who currently work for the administration or previously were for the administration are going to obey presence demand and dictate the thing up show up. some of this will be thought out reports and there is one lawsuit

about this has brought actually going to take his next important turn until early december which could mess up the timing of the democrats. in terms of how much more evidence they want to collect and how much public they want to go with the case. and that before they learn from definitively from the course which witnesses, will or won't be made to testify. but sort of the important thing here is the presence main defense, as his principal defense brother than his historical defense on these twitter and rallies. some has a tone to it but to troy and slow or stop the investigation at every turn. that is a huge use of muscular executive power. >> host:: lots of tweets coming in as well as your text messages. sexual assault is the crime. it's not a cultural issue to compare this presidents crimes to a cultural thing. i'm calling it ludicrous.

[speaking in native tongue] guest: i'm a problem with mueller report. it is a must to be bipartisan. but there is nothing in there about the uranium deal. we all know that there is a uranium deal going on. it's like they have their hand caught in the cookie jar on that. the trend like the brother even though they have there can in the cookie jar and everybody is falling the lead on that and see oh yeah, that was your brother. it's the same thing with ukraine. you've got joe biden his son with his hand in the cookie jar which is directly tied to go biden but all in all as president trump, that is ludicrous about what people are believing right now on this. what you thoughts. david: i don't say we all know about a uranium deal. i say the uranium from what you referred to as the your radiant

deal, is the d relatively, if there is more seriously sourced, more to- it, and more explicit about it, you can be darn sure and i hope you would be darn sure, my nobby, given the distrust of the media with the media would be on that if there were more toha it. reporters would be onto it and if there were crime network prosecutors would be onto it especially the prosecutors for this justice department. another comment, was very strange about how they set up this impeachment committee been a few weeks before that was a bar in ford. you find that a little strange ashtray, deep state broken hillary. david: is like committee on intelligence permanence and on intelligence was not just set up for the whistleblower. in his permanently on of the

congressional structure and the exist every year. so it's not new. the only thing new about it is that as of the hospital last week, they've gotten a little bit more power and a little bit more circuit describe what they are supposed to be doing and the are conducting depositions behind closed doors and then holding public hearings. then releasing public report which would then go to a different committee to a judiciary committee which in modern times, has been the committee decides on which articles of impeachment to draft and is in on whole house. the president has been busy tweeting this morning. >> host:: he has sent out more than 11000 tweets since he took over. from the president of an hourth ago, referring to the economy and stock market. spend your her name well. let's go to susan in minnesota.

republican mine. guest: i'm concerned because we don't necessarily havepr a fair proces doing due process. there should be up in areas with attorneys on both sides including the republicans having the right to call witnesses and subpoena and that hasn't happened yet. they see will but i'll believe it when i see it. and all transcripts should bee given to thehe american people y both sides together staying the same thing and also remember president said he felt no problem when obama talked with the open mic the russian president, there was never question. i do say to be fair to both sides, we should also investigate biden. thank you. >> host:: and me in trusting susan to call back, after all the things happen or if they all happen, he said i'll believe it when i see it with her say that

was of these processes shoes that you are concerned about, it seems as though the vote last week, is going to addressed almost all of his concerns and the transfers will become trust in public hearings. there will be the republicans will be able to call witnesses so we will see we will see if your concerns are estimate, i should also note there is this perception in the public which the republicans have -underscore, this was happening behind closed doors now is an entirely democratic process. it's not. all of the republicans were on the intelligence committee of the armed service services committee for believe the government operational committee are entitled to attend those depositions and they are entitled to question witnesses. something like a hundred of of the 200 members of the

republican conference and entrée into these rooms. they are allowed. you can textst as, your comments at 2027488003. also on twitter this is from bill. as the following. double standards on the left and media have been breathtaking to behold we are told his military service gives him extra credibility. okay but this comes a near week the same people army major chelsea as a richness. interesting. david:re before were seeing a sharp division between them about the republicans looking at it through their own prison. david: absolutely does seem to be in a way that is different somewhat different from only saw 20 years ago did in the end impeachment of bill clinton ready partisan

and initially there was some bipartisanship i'm sure you've heard this statistic now that there were an analogous vote to what happened last week and house in 1998 and there were 31 democrats to join republicans to vote to begin the formal impeachment met proceedings against bill clinton. which is what we saw last week, was zero. in the end, there are five members of each side the cross party lines on impeachment in the senate trial there were tim publicans who voted against ten articles i'm sorry five ten have voted against the second one at this.we are not staying much indication that similar arguments livers are bipartisanship are looming ahead. and why is that, that's because as you see, we live in such a polarized country which is

present sweet this morning about the economy and stock market and thus is one of his ways of trying to de- polarize the moment to troy some interest from inside and maybe the democrats and include that the economy is ont site. it worked for bill clinton. after the bill clinton impeachment trial, is writing a pretty good economy and much higher approval ratings throughout thero process and the president is now. the website is dumping caulking since our guest. he wrote politics and edited cq weekly. welcome to our ministers on c-span radio. guest: i'm very much concerned about this, read all of the documents of my field his words and

numbers. the terms in the constitution, the house of representatives shall have the sole power of impeachment. impeachment has brought a one-step, it is a phase. i say a phase have been ruined because they did one that went out a vote. the inquiry started and at the inquiry supposed to go on. with the rest of the house of the republicans equally participating. i say to also.out that i have a very serious problem with words when it comes to both the press and the president and the opponents and the supporters. that is the word transcript. read the document to our three

times. set specifically in the last paragraph of the stage that this is not a transcript is the memorandum. david: i assume you are talking about the ukraine pelfrey let me if i make go back to what i say you are staying about impeachment that there is a lot of criticism that the house democrats have taken this impeachment process so far down the road that went out publicity public proceedings, a defense may be of hurt and maybe having, this is their defense. they see in some ways all impeachment they are similar in some ways they are different. in modern times during watergate, and during bill clinton's time, love the investigatory work, fact-finding, was done by is

watergate, special prosecutor in , the case of clinton, the independent counsel kenneth star. i did most of the fact-finding and then turn over what they had learned to thefa house and there was a house that took went public and consider the specs moved the impeachment articles. during this time and that there were working with here is house of representatives there has brought of the work of a prosecutor they're not really working with loris gore. working with her own fact-finding wishes they would cite appropriately done behind heclosed doors. when you are doing fact-finding, you should do an off camera and went to get your ducks in a row, and eagle public. that is the difference there. >> host:: democrat line. allen. guest: i just wanted to see, what we are observing here is kind of sad. just a reminder of how far removed we are a merchant pansy

origins and what we are seeing is just trying to live on display here i say it's pretty obvious what is going on here is amazing to see the gop fall into this president as if they had no better options in the past or in the future. to hang the careers and the potential political lives in the back of the president that lies consistently. and does the most egregious things right before our very eyes. it's really amazing to see that and it's very sad. david: and how surprised monday of us at the house republicans generally, have stayed in such a lockstep with the president. not only because of what they

see, not really gory the stone with his approach to government and also true has brought pursued an entirely conservative agenda. so it has been and remains a fascinating thing to watch. it is fascinating that they are now sticking with him. the general rule as we talked about tribalism and the polarized state of things, is that one side is locked in a message, the tribe rallies behind the message to stick with it. so what happened some document clinton, and compares to 20 years ago. in absolutely was what happened with republicans really with bothol sides of the matter. even after the voters punished the republicans at the polls in 1998. he gave the republicans, they lost seats in the midterm election. it was the first time since the

new deal since the 1930s when the party opposing the president has lost seats to the midterm election. it is with him new grangers and didn't have to resign but they still stuck with their strategy. until the end similar to now. >> host:: democrats continue to save it is just a political process. so don't be upset about the republicans. he was on housework december 19th 1998. guest: did not entrust this house with the power to impeach the president of the united states. in the water to establish his body as a court, a personal morality. impeachment is supposed to be a constitutional tales, not a moral or politicalot sword. for all of these reasons, we

should step back from this edge of this dangerous cliff. serious crimes subject been committed that this congress needs to address. every morning, children across the nation go to school sit in y overcrowded classrooms and deteriorating and crumbling facilities. when congress turns it monday. that's a serious crime. every afternoon, people find themselves lacking access to affordable healthcare. they're trying to figure out how to afford prescription drugs they need. people are suffering and even dying and even as we debate today, that is a serious crime. every evening, people sit at the dinner tables wondering how they're going to afford a college education for the children. women they need i mean if they will even be able to get a etsecond job. that is a serious offense. we should be leaving arsenal and

martin sanctions inc. the branch of government, when they properly begun and wech should e doing the job we were elected to do history, not the passions of this moment but guide your aactions. >> host:: elijah cummings from 20 years ago. this was the same town, the same rationale the monday democrats were using to share her staying we should not pursue impeachme impeachment, that we should pursue our agenda. when the majority, the ability to makeor policy and the ability to change the debate over policy by using our half of congress to advance policies that we like and that we should be focusing on that the democrats, rather than on theus president's misconduct. though sort of what mr. pelosi was pursuing for a while. and they have obviously says to

minds.their one of the groups, it is affected by this is that a presidential candidates the democratic presidential candidates. including, of the senators, who now are going to have a real hard time getting there own policy messages from the way they would. and some of them, the senators, if the timing works out the way it looks like it probably will, will be stuck in washington acting as jurors in impeachment trial in the months and weeks beforent the iowa caucuses on te third of february in newhe hampshire primary on the 11th of february. missus tommy for that. it would be. mitch mcconnell. the majority leader of the senate mitch mcconnell, would take the lead and setting the ground rules for the impeachment trial. could youou imagine they can

potentially do it in early february. david: i don't say he would wait until early february, if the housework to produce articles of impeachment by the end of this d year, my guess is that he woud troy and take us up and dispose of it as quickly as he possibly could. there would be the same deliberations tween the democrats and the republicans, the ground rules for the trial, we change from time to time, obviously plaintiff filed with the first presidency and the johnson trial in the 1860s, because there was a mixed trial because nixon resigned before he was actually paid by the house. so they would need to negotiate in terms of the trial and the democrats will want presumably to have a full opportunity to present their case as fully as possible. the public is what the summer as quickly as possible but either way, even if it's early in january, this crucial iowa caucus new hampshire primary

time.ps see part where people who are doing subpoenas why are they being fined or jailed. david: is the long process. the congressional congress ability to enforce. >> you can leave this recorded program and take you to sheppard university in west virginia for a forum on political discord and stability. former head of the d&c donna brazil, and mercedes slap a former white house communications director will offer their perspectives. this is life coverage on c-span. [background sounds]