what happens to your right to an independent judge or to participate in the lawmaking process? it is supposed to be a republic. >> we will have a fun discussion today about the new book power grab and to introduce him's editor mike lee and a friend of the constitution. >> hello. it's a pleasure to be with you

and this merges several of my interests. the constitution with the heritage foundation and my friend jason j fitz. i first came to know his name over 30 years ago as a placekicker at byu and was really good to this day he holds the record including the most successful points after touchdown scored in a single game and i think in a single season and also famous for the fact immediately after he kicked a field goal the helmet would come off and he became famous for that i think it was called the jason chaffetz rule but it played a key role in

his success as a statesman and people came to know him and who he was. i remember many years later long after he played for byu with a successful career as a businessman i met him for the first time. i was starstruck. i met him while he was running on the campaign for governor. and jason chaffetz himself convinced me he was the man to become utah's next governor we had a long conversation about i it. and several months after that after he was elected he called me until the i was under consideration in the

administration and i said i did not apply. but i would over there for a chat. we hit it off and we ended up working together. we worked on the council at the time when jason chaffetz was the chief of staff. may most important role is when i became his chauffeur. [laughter] he and i lived closer together than any two members of the senior staff and at one point he broke his foot. it sounds like the punchline to a joke but it is quite serious. and it had to be in a cast and elevated. i would pick him up and he would sit in the backseat of the car so you can keep his foot elevated i asked if you wanted me to get a chauffeur's hat. i didn't charge him anything.

he had to agree to subjected to my lengthy rants on constitutional issues and supreme court arguments. who wouldn't want to do that cracks were here to talk about the fact first of all he is a hero when it comes to defending against big government and can left and who identify themselves or those who want to build a big government or understand the fact there is something of a zero sum game. >> but you do so at the expense of individual liberty.

government itself is not and never can be or will be omniscient or omnipotent or benevolent and it is run by individuals. consequently we have to constrain its power and make sure it is not used. in his latest book and it advances the political agenda of the left. but to advance those who would expand government at of how

investigations to achieve a particular outcome. this is an simply red versus blue. and we won the war. we shouldn't be eager to go back to a system in which and for those who want to live in the land where they are free. whether you call yourself a conservative or liberal or

something else. it should then with the purpose of this - - life and liberty and property. the more we deviate the more we run into a real risk of a power grab to become less free and less secure. there isn't a day that goes by i don't miss having jason chaffetz serving in the house of representatives. in addition to being a trusted friend and colleague in the governor's office, someone i came to trust and love working

with serving in the house and during my time in office in the senate it's hard to remember an issue where we took opposing viewpoints. we work together on countless issues but i take comfort in the fact he can do and enormous amount of good where he is to inform the people of the risk so with that please join me to welcome jason chaffetz. [applause] >> thank you. thank you for having me.

i appreciate it. and then has another vote. so i can read stories while he is not here. that's even better. this is amazing to me we were at the utah county convention. literally 1000 people at this event and a gentleman comes up and starts talking and introduces himself. >> i knew he was the spitting image of his father who was the president of brigham young and said mike lee any relation to rex lee and i could tell he already knew that. well rex was the solicitor general for ronald reagan.

he had argued over 100 cases before the supreme court. fast-forward to say on the chief of staff he's a general counsel one of the best things i di did, that is true and what he did not tell you is that he had a cassette tape player in his car and would like to listen to his dad argue supreme court cases so literally put the cassette tape in their. that's how he rises above the law that we listen to the oral presentations. i learned a lot.

>> a appreciate all of you being here. in the heritage foundation for making this possible. and then to inform people to be a resource it is such great resource. so helpful. the and i wholeheartedly believe that what margaret thatcher said first you need to win the argument then you get the votes.

but certainly it was more than what was there that republican conservatives were very pathetic in our communication first of all the national media is not a conduit so it was compounded by that. but i always felt that we as conservatives have the right message. we just didn't say it very well or enough. when i was first in congress meeting with eric cantor or because i was invited to be on fox news. i could not believe it. i said is it all right and he said are you kidding me clicks you need to go out there is much as you possibly can to get out our message and every

other network to talk about why you believe what you believe. it was the right answer and good advice and i would argue we need more people to go to all the networks who believes what we i did more on msnbc and cnn. then i even did on fox news. so to be in this relationship i always felt like i could contribute in the public square now more than ever i can talk about issues that

matter from the conservative standpoint. and that relationship with harpercollins who did my first book. in literally like seven days ago power grab. into bifurcated into two separate areas like using the powers that currently have in those that you pay attention you need someone to draw your attention to. to change that dynamic and the narrative and that should scare the living daylights out of you and that affects all of us whether you like it or not - - realize it or not.

democrats are always on offense. and then we do q&a. >> full disclosure i worked for the former chairman and in his book there are some memories of good times we had when he was running the committee. and that is a table setter for what the environment is. >> i write about this in the forward i had one my fifth term in congress to get 73 percent of the vote it was roughly four or five weeks after donald trump was forwarded. the heart of winter in utah

and all of a sudden i'm having a town hall meeting. i don't know how many brick i love them. usually a group about the size and people can interact for i learned a lot with the questions they ask it is a good format. but democrats got a hold of this and they have a group called indivisible utah that has a national presence that they have a specific manual of how to take over a town hall meeting. this blew up into thousands of people showing up to create an illusion that is a recurring theme. but that a conservative republican in a safe district to just happen to be chairman of the oversight committee with the newly minted president president of the united states that his voters were mad.

he needs to hold the president accountable. with a long list of demands much of which i don't but so much that it got out of control for both the 30 police officers and then swat teams. >> i don't ever remember having national media showing up to my townhall when i went at 73 percent of the vote. weeks into the 115th congress. really clicks but this new reporter insisted that she interview me.

i said let me talk to her on the phone first. i said why are you here clicks we have a source in san francisco that says there is going to be a riot and perhaps a fire. i said really clicks. >> you are telling me because i asked you. no.

but in order to protect our freedoms they have to take it away. in order to make sure the first amendment is in place they have to take our rights away with no cuts. i could but we are so opposed

to a position that the democrats now champion that we are the party of no. but if all of a sudden. i did that when i was in third grade.

but then to talk about that issue by issue but let's have that debate. a working conservative actually have a debated we win that debate but i think as

conservatives but my guess is if you are at this meeting there is a principal. but do you believe it clicks i think a lot of conservatives forget that with the parents with all this polling that we do day after day is because they don't want their errors to try to embarrass them and that is part of the strategy.

>> one of my favorite parts is to put on your investigator hat looking at the nonprofits. what did you discover how they are. but what they have put forward in congress, you look at any pull out there of the most important issues. you'll hear about health care and the economy and wants to

reconstitute how we do elections in this country. because it is their calculus that they have to reconfigure how we do voting in this country for long-term. one of the weapons of war we have learned a way to not chastise and laundry lift that is the form they need to fill out with the top line tax return for a not-for-profit. what you will see consistently

under campaign this is the way it works. this is how you do this. you are a 501(c)3 aid not-for-profit. if you make a donation you get a tax write off. 501(c)4 can engage in more politics but have a different tax treatment on how you can legally this gentleman could

make a 10 million-dollar donation and get a tax credit for doing so. but for private authorization to do none. and put on t-shirts aclu's southern poverty law center and then they will start knocking doors. planned parenthood was a weir's raising money. >> who with a vote for quick. >> you hate planned parenthood? ding ding ding now here is a voter we have identified. so what they do is because the

for-profit entity now has gathered this information, now they go and work if you want to participate there is a limit to $2000 and there are certain things you can and cannot do with that many. but the problem is if you look at the charts like planned parenthood over the ear. , every single year they had.

>> if you have the irs do an audit this is the place. because they are strictly prohibited in engaging and campaign work but yet blatantly doing it. i wish everybody realizes that. second, moving quickly about vote harvesting. you may have heard about this term. but basically democrats in legislation have supported the idea to make this law everywhere you go that you do not have to be present to actually vote. picking on this gentleman with an l.a. times story woman who is an undocumented person here illegally going out and

collecting ballots from all of you to knock on your door and say i know you didn't get to the polls or fill out your ballot and it is inconvenient but if you just give it to me i will fill it out and turned it in for you. could anything go wrong in that scenario? yes a lot if you look the seats of the republicans lost in the last election there were thousands and thousands of votes that showed up after the deadline that came in oh my gosh miraculously in favor of the democrats. and in proportions that were totally different where we having a special election in north carolina? it is illegal to do vote harvesting ironically joe kennedy from massachusetts complained the republicans are cheating.

you just voted on legislation to make this legal everywhere in the country. this is but one thing out of a list of 30 that the democrats are trying to do to change the way we do things and grab back power and if we don't open our eyes they will blow through this. i don't know how you win an election in california and to engage in vote harvesting. there is evidence i think it happened in arizona and other places even in utah there are some allegations as thousands of votes showed up after the deadline.