helicopter up about the tree landed radio, i have them in and coming out. sub tree joins us for a discussion on the future of work mr. wang your day job in seattle at is the ceo of coding dojo. explained what coding dojo does. >> guest: thank you for having me on the program. the way you essentially provide tech training to anyone with no software development that round or data science background and training for three months andr get them ready for the digital economy. after coming out of her program they will be ready to become a

software developer working for a tech company. >> host: in addition to that you ride a column for forbes technology counsel. one of your recent columns he talked about this idea of a skilled gap in this country and howw apprentice programs mighte a way to bridge that gap. explained what the skills gap is auc. guess who absolutely. we are in the fourth industrial revolution. we are looking at urtula reality bioscience robotics and different technologies that are happening. it's really software and hardware and right now coming out of thein four year college e are not getting trained on the essential skills. in the private sector there a lot of students coming out of for a four year college and carrying 100 or $200,000 or for

some of them they are carrying debt coming out of college and i can't get a job. within the doing is they are underemployed. these are smart young people and they are all underemployed working in a low-skilled job. they get stuck so i think in the public sector we have to do a better job equipping our young people with engineering skills to be productive in this economy. let's go the classic remedy to the modern skills gap for a public that is so focused on the traditional four-year college route to explain how apprenticeships programs work and how you think they can be expanded. guess who absolutely. looking at numbers i think we have 9% of united states used to go into preschool but if you look at germany the numbers about 60%. what is really cool is we have

this negative connotation towards. schools . you go through those programs more for some college you learn technical skills. after you graduate you enter for the companies that you are about to face a skill that you studied gives you real life experiences on the job but once you are done you go back to school or end up with a job that you are an apprenticeship for it. in terms of marrying what you learned and to get a job right away after you graduatepp. >> host: the apprenticeship programs in this country and those who are actively participating in them the final column at the bottom in 2018 number some 585,000 active apprenticeships in this country in 2018 is up from 2008 when it

was 442 active apprenticeships. do you see that ever competing with the millions and millions that go to the traditional four-year college programs? >> i don't think so but we need to do a better job in terms of providing young people better solutions. i think a four year university has a really strong grants. i think all of our parents want us to go to a four year university but the same time i don't think four-year universities are for everyone. we have to provide different options for young people because just coming to college carrying 100 or $200,000 in debt and not finding adi job, high-quality js is not beneficial for anyone. if you look at the numbers right now although we are at an all-time low for the unemployment rate the all-time quality is -- there's a lot of

young people looking for two or three jobs. those jobs are like a trap. you cannot get out of being in that environment so you get stuck you have to provide better training programs for young people in differentai options fr college is causing that much money right now. it should not be an option for everyone. >> host: we put our phone lines on the education row. we want to hear from viewers this morning and went to technical schools the number 202-7480000 for those who have participated in apprenticeship program 2027488001 and all others thatt number (202)748-803 having a conversation about the future of education and the skills gap in the country. richard wang yue argue there is

a role that the federal government can play in pushing the education system in this new direction. what is that role? >> i think for example with the of technology we have two create what i call a circular economy. we need to incentivize employers to upscale our workforce. at the same time we should create a program where we are sending people back to school every seven to 10 years. things are constantly changing and we have to look into the skill sets are useful in the valley bona laboret market.

competitiveness in terms of -- of the go back every seven shouldn't 10 years to get retrained in the federal government has to create policies that will enable that to happen onn. the tech insteadf sizing services for individuals who will pursue those options. at the end of the day we are all paying tax dollars and the governments jobs is creating economic mobility. right now we are not seeing that >> host: for those folks who can afford to take time off to go back to school every seven to 10 years. what specificallyy can the federal government to? are we talking about tax breaks or are we talking about federal dollars for retraining programs that people can tapra into so ty can make a living while they are going back to school next. >> guest: at coding dojo we private programs while we have

highly-skilled refugees come to washington and what we did is we provided free tuition for all highly-skilled refugees and jewish services provided them background services and they got paid while they went through school. we have this program in the private sector and how do we provide background services such as paying people a salary while they get retrained and tax benefits it will go back to the federal government because they are getting a much higher paying job. i think those of the dynamics within the labor system now. for presidential candidates talking about the freedom divot and i we can provide something similar for young people right now. >> host: the classic question is how much isn't going to to cost and where do you get the money? >> guest: in termsms of cost i

think we spend enough money in terms of the federal defense budget and i think we spend way too much money on medicare. we can use some of the money for education and when people get this kind of money they can retrain and they go to school and get 70s or 80s thousand dollars for the job. the tax money will trickle back up. i think that willos create -- in terms of how do we get our young people back to doing productive high-quality work not just a low-paying job under employed skills. >> host: the conversations morning about the growing skills gap in this country the future of work and education giving viewers a chance to chat with tech entrepreneur richard wang out of seattle this morning. joining us is the ceo of coding dojo and its coding dojo.com if you want to check out his web

site. joe from staten island l goes to technical f school and we will t him talk to richard wang. go ahead. >> caller: i went to computer school. my mother had been in manhattan and and all the high school guidance counselors all of them said go to college, go to college, go to college. going to computer school -- thank you. >> host: thanks for calling in and bringing that up and richard wang want you to speak to that. not one person said to go to technical school and everybody was saying go to college. how do you change that?

>> there's a major branding problem with technical skills and technical schools and this is where you can do a lot of good in terms of providing different options in the public education system. our career adviser is probably more like how many students are sent to colleges. i think some of those incentives have been changing. is the college really right for this individual or is preschool the right of shankwitz we have to provide more education and awareness for all the options out there. >> host: d you think there's a stigma right now by the noncollege route? guess who absolutely, yeah. >> host: give me an example of that and how the folks in your area of expertise are looking to change that. >> guest: you know i think in the past four or five years we

have run a technology company in seattle silicon valley new york. when you have friends who are software developers to ask yourself the question how do i get there and they'd say maybe go to coding boot camp similar to coding dojo and people have heard of these concepts where you come in and we train you on the computational logic on a computer and train you in different languages and get you ready for a row world job to become a software developer but some areas that are a little more urban where you don't have this type of environment it's tougher. again the marketing and branding of alternative education other than colleges government has to do a better job. >> host: in apprenticeship

program in a foreign 10. what kind of program? >> caller: i'm an old guy now, retired but 30 years ago when i was a freshfaced young man i was raised by an international brotherhood of electrical workers journeyman electrician so i understood the value of the journeyman card and a licensing that went along with it. my father explained to me there are only three license trades come electricians, steamfitters and plumbers. i decided to become a plumber so i went down and took a course on how to get into it and i stood in line and there was a thousand guys. they were going to take 25 apprentices. i did that to time and i never got a call back. i thought well how to wait do this? how do i get there?

i join the military. they joined the air force does an active-duty plumber. after seven years of active duty air i applied for the plumbing apprenticeship again in the mid-80s and by golly i finally got in. after five years of going through the entire course and making good money along the entire way and enjoying everything that i did about 1990 i became a journeyman and i decided to become a piping plumber. i spent all my time in the hospital doing piping work oxygen and medical vacuum. the day i turned 56 i had enough time and i retired and i walked out the door and they make a ton of money every month. the apprenticeship didn't cost me a dime and now at local 290 in oregon we have 600 apprentices in school, 600 and

there are 50 when i went to school so the number has increased. i suggest mr. wang goes to the ibew training center in seattle. i suggest you go to the ua plumbers and steamfitters training center in seattle and they will be happy to show you how we do it. >> host: thanks for sharing your story ted. richard wang what you want to take from that? guess who we are seeing at increasing over time and one thing we have to think about as well is not just more young graduates out of college are people who pursue college but also we have to think about right now we are getting into the ai economy. what is happening right now as we have more than 3 million truckers driving trucks right now and we are seeing autonomous trucks in the next five to 15

years. when that happens we are placing more than 3 million truckers and for some of my colleagues out there those are like robots and here in the united states we have more than 2 million people to that work in call centers. when these things start displacing or workers you look at a rough map to the million call support centers in 5 million truckers how were we going to rescale this audience? that's a big problem that we have to solve. in terms of rescaling our workforce and getting two apprenticeships and the skill gap it's not just the audience of people going to college or graduate college but also the ones who are about 40 or so. the average age of a truckers 47 and they make anywhere from 40 to $71,000.

that is a good job without a college degree. how are we going to rescale that audience as well? >> host: you talk about those going to college the average tuition growth among national universities over 20 years will start in 20204 national universities and it's now up to $41,500 a year and for a state university's $27,000 year in state universities $11,200 a year. compare that to the year 2000 when private universities were $16,000 a year. the out-of-state university cost about $9600 a year and the in-state university cost about $3500 a year. >> guest: i don't think that counts room and board and food in tuition costs so when you do an analysis students come out of universities caring about $300,000 of debt.

that is a significant amount of money and those debts as we know they will stay with you. we have to make a difference in terms of his college the right option for everyone? >> host: how much does it cost for someone to enroll in the coding dojo program and how long does it take on average? >> guest: the coding dojo program ranges from 10 to $12,000 it takes 3.5 months. about 14 weeks for anyone to learn how to code and the process for us is we invest two or three years behind our technology and content and train people how to digest -- so it's adjustable so anyone can learn it and become a software developer. >> host: how much you people make on average after they go through your program in a kind of jobs do they get?

>> guest: we are operating at two different locations around the country and we have on line as well so after adjusting for cost of living in different areas they average salary is about $75,000. >> host: how many folks have gone through the program? >> guest: over the past five years we have had more than 3000 people graduate from the program. >> host: richard wang is the ceo of coding dojo as we talk about the future of education. terrell went through the college college route out of fairfax virginia. good morning. ♪ ♪