allow us to have a healthier and a more together nation, neighborhood, and family. >> to watch the rest of this program, visit our website booktv.org and search for john kasich or his book title it's up to us. use the search brought box of the top of the page. >> we have a lot of things in common. this is a very interesting opportunity to speak about bret refugees and i know a little about it and thought i knew about everything. before start talking about we are going to get into an unexplored history and so much

of the unknown. and i think for generations to come we will still be uncovering the history of that time of the refugees and we will talk a little bit about that and to the country. it's something your family experience. i thought we would begin and we will start talking about it. >> thank you so much, thank you for inviting me to it come. so my book, when i was talking to cheryl she said it's not what i expected. and i think it's because it is not what they expected because it tries to dude almost to all but sit things. it tries to tell a very intimate history of a daughter and a father, and a history of my life and relationships with other people.

as well as a super scholarly, footnoted book for everything is research very carefully. we do these things of the same time and it begins with a very intimate introduction, and it is an introduction about my life. so i will just jump in and then we will talk some more. we had been six at home. my parents, siblings, and paternal grandmother. whom we used to call. [inaudible] she was a petite thin woman with pale thin skin and sharp blue eyes like my fathers. my father had been separated from his mother during the war, and when she arrived in israel years later she moved in with him, then with my mother and him, then with all of us. for as long as i could remember until her death and 1981, she lived in the middle room off our kitchen in our

apartment. we did not speak much to her and she spoke little to us or in general. spending most of her days in her room listening to the radio. my mother, who cooks and cleans for herm and washer close, resented her. my father, who would also lash out at my mother and us for fun apparent reason treated her always with kindness and care. at times she would stay in her room all day and bench are only out when he came home. i recall no fight or tension between my father and his mother nothing but a deep delicate harmony. there were always two camps. it was him and her and then my mother and the children. when i was six or seven and just learn to write, i compose a letter to my father asking why he loved his mother more than us. i tucked it under his pillow in my parents bed and waited anxiously. when he found the letter he scolded me and said he would

never have dared write such a letter to his father. i remember well the guilt, the shame, wishing i could take my words back and it's a feeling that plagued me for years. my father did not speak a word to me for a long time after that, and though a lifetime of shared moments and many were happy that we were never completely at ease together again. and so this is page six and in and it's a way as a formative moment in my life that i later try to guess explore this source of many, many decades level. it's on the personal level. >> i don't think i told you this before but my mother survived the war with her mother and she was one of the few mothers to survive a concentration camp. she lived with me. in it was always sort of my mother and her mother with me and my father. and there are the sort of relationships that were sort

of enforced by the war. so as you asking your father why he loved his mother more and it was my mother who loved her mother more than she loved us. i think the war and what they had gone through had so much defined to they word that we didn't know. because they did not talk about it. so tell me a little bit about how the book actually started. and i will tell you why as to what is confused as to what it was about. the title is tehran children. it was not your father and the tribe. so how did you get to the title and how that work for the book. >> ww norton, my publisher said whatever you do, you cannot caught a memoir memoir because those do not sell as well as nonfiction historical books. so the title my father, was that was out. the book began -- i live in

israel, you heard the introduction i went to the army, mandatory service, i went to law school, i did and internship, i did the barr exam and then i came here for vacation that is lasted until now. [laughter] that was 93. and i ended up -- the way people end up in new york. you meet somebody, life happens, i started studying and life goes on. i wasn't thinking about this for a long time and then in 2007, i said -- we had a faculty party where i was teaching at a city college and he asked if i knew about anything about jewish children who refugees in iran? i said yes i know something. if you remember 2007 was the

year were the iranian prime minister was in power was accused of holocaust in iran's complicity with the nasis during the war. and he had a paper and said no we are not complicit, we saved jewish children. so i said well that was my father he was in iran, he said how did he get there and i said i have no idea. so that is how we started. it started out with that question but on a deeper level as you know because you write about these issues, there's the war, the legacy of the war and how it shaped us is something in the back of one's mind and so i could finally go through it and explore, and explore my father. >> your father died relatively young so he was not there to talk about it. did your father ever talk about what his experience was during the war or your

grandmother? >> nothing, zero. the only thing -- i knew three things. i know he was from a town in poland, and i knew they owned a brewery. i knew he came with these children to what was palestine, they were "tehran children: a holocaust refugee odyssey". but to me he was not a survivor, nor did he present himself as a survivor. and i think that is one of the issues with this book, most of polish jews survived in the soviet union, central asia, the middle east. but they are not considered survivors. so technically speaking they are not. he did not present himself as a survivor, we never went to commemorations, he was never invited to speak at schools. in 1952 there is her reparation agreement between israel and germany and they were not included. they didn't get any

reparations, he didn't speak about it. the only thing that happened was on his deathbed. he died from agenda degenerative brain disease which was mad cow disease which i later found out it was probably related to his experience. on his deathbed he started speaking polish and he started calling his mother, sister and polish, and that is the first time i had ever heard him speak polish. i heard him here and there speak a little bit of yiddish to his mother. >> so one of the things i did not know about, is when i thought the polish jews who went to the soviet union, they were deprived or they lived under deprived conditions because you're talking about the soviet union and they didn't have enough food and everybody was fighting. but i did not know that these camps they went to war polish and polish jewish. so can you describe a little bit about the journey that you went on on your father's

behalf to tie ron? [inaudible] 's. >> i have been doing a lot of these toxins i have a big map and when you see it you'll say oh my god. and you are talking about kids who did not even leave their hometown in poland and then they crossed half the world. >> and your family, they had been in a not bad camp. i can't say to him polish. they were wealthy, they had been there for a while, they were generous, their charitable and they were assimilated somewhat. they were religious but they were not orthodox. i think they had a choice, they had some money so they left the town. so the choice they made beginning of the war were rational. but what happened to them was it if you can briefly describe what happened to them and will how they ended up in the soviet union under these

conditions. >> so in 1939 we know poland is divided between the soviets and the germans. many people, including my family, flee from the german side to the soviet side. so the beginning of 1940, 1 million and a half polish jews, we are talking three and half million polish jews before the war and about a million and a half and up on the soviet side. whether they fled their or their towns fell under soviet occupation. and of these, but one third are pointed to the labor camps in the soviet interior. their labor settlements there not considered ten pennant century but they really are because you work 14 hours a day, you have barely any food, you don't go so through soviet reeducation. you just work.

mostly they were just deported because the soviets needed slave laborers to build their railroads and factories. so they end up in the soviet interior, and the north. a year end a half, 14 months later they get -- they are released by amnesty and we can talk about that later, why they are released. but basically stallion gives amnesty to polish citizens, they are releasing go through a second migration through pakistan, turkmenistan and that is where most polish jews survived the war in those areas. some of them, the minority of polish jews, but actually most polish christians and that being evacuated out of the soviet central asia to iran and then from there to palestine, lebanon, to syria, and some later to new zealand's. as you know. said this is the story.

my father and a group of jewish children that were in iraq being evacuated to palestine. and then they eventually, israel is founded and they grow up israelis. >> so did you know that before you went on your investigation? >> no not at all i only knew the last leg in which that they came from tehran to israel. i did not even that was not even a place for me. they were just iran children. it's just who he was and i didn't think of him living in tehran or in these places. we start researching refugees and i think this is very current for today's refugees you think about them going from point a to point b. it is not like that. is just a road and it's arbitrary. people stay wherever they can. so people actually stayed in iran, people stayed in siberia.

people were released from the labor settlements in siberia and amnesty but then it was where do they go, i think somebody gave them a cow in they said okay we will have something to live on and we will stay. so no i didn't know any of this at all. >> i keep trying to fix this because it keeps trying to fall. [laughter] this magnificent microphone. so the horror of their deportation is horrible as the going to and camps. they were taken in cars called red cows and they were brought to coelho's they were not gulags but they were in the middle of nothing. the conditions were atrocious, just as atrocious as the concentration camps. and then there was the division between the polls, just catholic poles and the polish jews. and that is a theme that i

thought was very interesting in your book as well. the tension between poland and polish nationalism and the jews who made their patriotic polls and fought in the army. and how that treatment was affected by who they belong to in these camps. >> yes the story is because cheryl said the story is unknown. but it's even unknown to the holocaust museum in washington. so actually is looking for this book and they haven't collected the material it's there but they haven't collected it. in other words there is no story in a sense that there is a story of our sewage. we know what happens. you can when you discover your parents went to a concentration camp you know what they went through. so i had to piece this thing together, and piecing it together is not so easy because we are talking about, you have to kind of work like

a genealogist in a way. you work through decades of communist, genealogy it actually for which you understand the path. in other words this kind of a political story although it's not just a story of what happens. it's a story of how hard it is to discover what happens. because everybody tells a different story. the soviets tell a different story about. this polls, especially with the current polish government now. they tell a very different story. so this is a story that was politically motivated and things shifted. you could have christian polls and jewish polls in a soviet labor camp together and they would sort of get along.

because hey, they share a language, and they have these other people -- they have these oppressors of the ukrainians of the soviets. but once they are released then now the polish nationalism becomes very strong and the jews have to be ousted from that. and then the jews have their own naturalism because as i had this come in and start educating these children. so it is also a story that steeped in nationalism, but it's also do identity shift all the time as you saw. >> how was the work influenced by your relationship? you went to a lot of initial, the ball behind jews they speak a language that is part have gk impart hebrew. so it's pretty interesting he helped translate and in a way

he was and helping you get into these communities. but at first she went to pakistan and then what a joke? so in the beginning the relationship with him informed a lot in the book and then something happened. so tells about that. >> there is a lot of research on the holocaust, second generation. and there is the discussion of the third the person that mediates between you and the traumatic past. so when we started working on this after that initial meeting, he was very interested and he was a novelist and i kept saying you write this book i am not good to write a book about my father. and delve into this horrible history schematics his family was expelled after the iranian revolution? there's a lot of parallels in terms of what it meant to be expelled from your homeland.

>> wright himself was a child refugees separated from his parents. so there were some parallels. i was very happy to give the story to him as a writer, and then we said maybe we will work on this together and write alternating chapters. but two writers can't actually really work together. [laughter] so that did not go so well. also, as you work on your own history and you dig deeper and deeper, you own it more become more possessive of it. also, the parallels fall -- you begin to understand it's not exactly parallels. it's a story of exile but it's different to be as horrible as his history was to be a child refugee in los angeles, is different to be a child refugee in pakistan where there is just no food. zero. nothing.

also -- he was the first of a number of people who were my hosted interlocutors. i was always working with somebody. i find it very helpful and soothing, and also you can't really -- the areas i was researching you can't just go to them as an independent researcher -- people don't talk to you. pakistan is a dictatorship, i could not even go as an independent researchers. i had to pretend i was a tourist, i had the silk robes, i had this research assistant working on this side for me clandestinely who was a korean his back presbyterian minister who was also in danger for helping me. all these people have their own history, and their own stories. and sometimes a stories clash. he's going to hate me when he

hears this, but i now call him and iranian nationalist but he is much more i guess how to put it, he's much more connected with his iranian identity and less critical then he is was we started out. in the same with other people. i had this russian oligarch who was my host in russia which was great because otherwise all the archives are closed if you both you have 70 powerful helping you, all of these we would have a real political disagreements about their interpretation of the past and interpretation of the present. but without that this book would not of been the same. and we have relationships still. it's very complicated relationships, my host in poland as you saw, is believe it or not currently the deputy minister of culture and the current polish government. now she wasn't that when i was

there in 14 she was just a historian. but i was clueless, that was my ignorance was the best thing i had going for me. because i said wow great people. i didn't realize i was in the presence of great nationalists. catholic nationals and intelligence of poland. we are still in touch, it's a complicated relationship, she will say jews and polls are great friends. no i don't think so. my archival research does not support that. laughter so they know. there was some friction -- the friction was around the political questions. but we are still great friends. >> have they read the book? >> my colleague has my polish friend has not read the book. she plays a big part in it, i'm actually a little bit, look you semi- twitter but i

am besieged by polish nationalists who are really very aggressive tweets already. i mean it happened immediately when the book review that mentions poland and i just started getting it immediately. at 9:00 a.m. that day, i wrote her and told her i'm going to central book. you are not going to like some parts of it i think, but you will see that i care for you and i appreciate your help. and we will see what she says. >> but people pounce before they read. because the picture you are painting in the book is very complex. there are some good polls and there are some terrible ones. and the way the polls were treated in the gulags concentration camps or refugee settlements, was very different whether they were jews or whether they were polls. but their strife everywhere. but even when your father

comes to israel, there's the people who were born in israel and the refugees. so there's always tension between people and there's always in the revision of history. but what's important tell little bit about the government and what was the government's position on the holocaust and the war that changed anything in poland. a few years ago. basically said that they don't -- it's illegal to write anything about the polls doing any kind of damage or being prejudiced against the jews. so that became sort of a national policy which is unbelievable. and then they had the museum of polish jewish now and we talked about that too. but it's very, very complicated and i think right now all the survivors are dying. so history is being revised on all these fronts according to the politics of the leaders.

and you get caught up in the middle of it. so what's the truth? >> it took me a long time -- when i talk about ideologies after a while i really shed a lot of my biases, as much as i could. i went down some wrong paths. i started out you could say leftist israeli. so my first reaction was when i realized the children were in iran, i was thinking of course that narrative is completely basically taking over by israel and was made to sound like a rescue story. but really they were in iran and iran save them and so on. but as consul revising myself, so the same happen to poland. when this woman reached out to me, poland fermi did not exist or me. it was not even a place.

i'd didn't go there i didn't know anything about it, i didn't care about it. my father is in a race rarely and i was an israeli now an american. and then i found out my family was there for eight generations in this town. so eight generations like maybe one generation and i'm here, and this woman invited me, and her family hails from my father's hometown. and she was just like this is our hometown, this is where your father and my father went to school together, so i bought into that narrative a little bit. and i was thinking maybe it wasn't that bad and may be actually it's more complicated. but then again, i look to the archive and i realize it's a very difficult story between the christian polls in the jewish polls especially in the 1930s and during the war. i don't know if i got to the truth of things, but i tried

to represent things in a complex and truthful way as possible. that's what i want to know what these polish nationalists want for me. i talk a lot about the suffering of christian polls. i don't blame them for the not see genocide, and i wrote one twitter message and said read the book before you pounce. i do talk about christian suffering because their messages are like jews don't care about polish severing. children of holocaust survivors don't know anything about polish suffering. but i think my book talks about these issues and whatever horrible things i documented, they are documented and there are footnotes. there is nothing that i say there that is speculative. >> so i for one know nothing about the political ping-pong that was playing between germany and russia. i thought that was only at the end of the war. so basically in this era, my

parents were for southern poland, they were playing political games with these territories in terms of revoking citizenship. and they were really caught in the middle. and then you have not only jews and catholics, give communists and nationalists, you have all of these ideologies who are fighting for the end we have rewritten the history according to their own means. >> but you even have ideologies but you have life itself. if you are a child, a jewish child in iran, you are going to be taken to palestine and you are going to become israeli. it doesn't matter, they'd didn't necessarily come from homes but there was no other option to them. and then they grew up in caput's. it's kind of socialist, corporative settlements and my father grew up in this extremely blue joao home

extremely as i now know. between him and the caboose shows there is no relationships. but they worked and they milked the cows, and they became secular even though they grew up in very religious homes. so it also is your place defines your identity. so we are all defined by place as well. i interviewed people, i interviewed a woman who came with my father from pakistan and she met him in pakistan i interviewed her she identifies with jews but lives the muslim community. that was her life. and i said to her, she's 90 i said how would you summarize your life? she said it's a good life it started out very badly, but i met a nice man, so in other

words that's her identity. she doesn't defined herself as anything else she was a polish girl who was born in the same town like my father. >> you were raised in an israel that had a lot of general about the eastern european pass. because for years until maybe the 70s or 80s they did not have get us language and they were discouraging people from speaking guinness language or yiddish theaters there was no music. everybody change their names, so you had to take an israeli name and your father was in the air force and he kept his name until they told him he needed to change it. two there is a great sense we have to move forward and not look back. you were raised in that environment as a strong and independent. how did that change your attitude towards your relationship to israel and doing the research for this book. >> at the end of this process

which is a decade-long process i have a lot of empathy towards a lot of people. towards israel even and in some ways towards the polish catholics who also speak from some sort of wounds. they speak with some real wounds. and i grew up, on this rejection of suffering. israel -- that was israel strength. that's what it could do, it can be what it is by turning its back to the past. to what happened in the war. it was all about it's going to be a new country. my generation really which is the first generation is the new generation that will grow up -- of course there were wars our own wars, but without carrying the burden of the jewish past. and that's how we grew and it was actually very liberating. there is a price for that,

there's a big price that becomes this neurotic country where you have symptoms that manifest themselves in different ways. also you go to the beach, and you party, and you don't really talk about what happens. i grew up in israel, i now know almost every home of my friends homes there were ghosts of dead. it's like toni morrison's beloved. there ghosts of dead parents, uncles, aunts, and sometimes a whole other family. children, their first wife, and nobody, nobody mentioned those people at all. now i think israel's actually changed in that regard a little bit. i think there is a lot of yiddish in israel and a study of the holocaust. people are more ready to do the kind of stuff that i did in this book.

>> what is the most surprising thing you uncovered in your exploration of your family history? >> there are a lot of surprising things. even this idea that there were eight generations in this town that i didn't really think had any consequence. i discovered -- there's a lot of things in some ways, my father was a very a connecticut person. a very quiet person and so there were a lot of little things about him that i didn't even -- it's like i got the key to understanding him. for example little things like he was sort of obsessed with mushroom hunting. now we don't have that many mushrooms in israel. [laughter] but you do have sometimes in the winter in the mountain. it be like 6:00 a.m. and we have to go hunt mushrooms. he was really passionate but also happiest when he was doing that. and then i realized for

example they did that every saturday in poland. his family used to do that. so little things like that and then on the larger level, i set out to write a memoir of a man who was my father. and i and up writing a book about a quarter million polish survivors. most polish jews who survived the war, survived in this manner. so i ended up writing this kind of big big book with a big impact that started out as a little book. so that was also surprising. i didn't realize they read that many people and there were a majority of survivors. so three and a half million jews lived in poland before the war, 10% survived so 350,000 survived. these are rough crude numbers. out of these 250,000 survived in the soviet union and central agent and so on. to the story of the majority of refugees and survivors that really hasn't been fully told and explored.

>> what are the things that your book unintentionally reaffirms for me, one of the things i was consul he told by my father was that there is an israel we have a place to go to. one of the things that your book really recounts is that so true. that the jews had nobody to count on except each other. and that the polls may be in the beginning, but ultimately the people who saved them were jews. >> i told joy started out as a leftist israeli, and then still considered leftist but i think at the end of this journey there is a lot of moving stories of non-jews helping including in iran and beautiful stories of individuals to intervene. but on a larger level yes, jews help jews. an american jews who tried to

negotiate with the different governments to help these refugees, and jews from palestine who came to tehran -- so the jews from palestine came to tehran didn't come for the children, they wanted to cross the border into the soviet union and helpless people who were stranded in central asia. they cross this border and then people died. they would get shah by the soviets and then another person would try. so i don't know if this is necessarily the reason to say yes we have to have israel, but certainly as much as i want to tell a different story, ultimately this is a story of jews helping jews in a lot of ways. it's a big help. >> and another thing very poignant is your father goes to the garbage at night and being caught eating like cottage cheese or something because there was a little bit. all from the time of his

absolute starvation. in the descriptions of what these children did was horrifying. it brought me to think today about the refugees not being let in. this nationalism that is born out of deprivation. we are country, we have more than enough and we are still treating refugees in this way. it's really sort of heartbreaking. >> it is horrible especially when it comes to children. i think of one of the things -- my father story is a story of children separated from their parents. with everything that he went through, because these children when they were taken out of central asia, they were taken out without their parents. so only children were allowed to be in the jewish side only jewish children were allowed to be evacuated. they were separated from their parents and then they didn't see their parents, their father ended up dying and they didn't see their mothers until 49. they were actually separated from seven years from 42 to 49. i'm thinking the separation

from the parents is the biggest trauma. bigger than the hunger, bigger than anything because i'm partly because these children were saved. technically speaking anyway they were saved. and they left the parents inside the war and they are writing letters and saying what is it mean that we are saved and we have food but our parents are still starving and will die and so on. in fact, when these children were taken it seems they would talk about hoarding food they would fit be fed and safe food in their pockets. i realize they weren't hoarding food for themselves they realize their food now they were hoarding food for their parents. they were saving food for their parents. that's a theme that comes up in memoirs and letters and so on. so for me to it think then we are just inflicting this on kids.

there's a reason to do it then they had to be separated from the parents in order to be saved. now to separate children just because we are doing that what can i say it's horrific. it's really, really horrific. >> until that moment they stayed together, and then your father's parents and made the decision to let the kids go. so it was an active decision it wasn't the children were wrenched from them. but then that gilts that your father had about having a new life and then his parents still separated, they were still -- >> they remained in the summer camp in pakistan for the duration of the war like many other people. at the end of the war they reached an agreement between poland and the soviet union and some people could go back. they went back to poland, grandparents, then very quickly left poland and ended up displaced persons camp in germany and that's where my grandfather died and my grandmother came in 49 after

the invasion. they separated from them, there are all kinds of stories. this in some cases children -- there was really no food in pakistan. it's hard to imagine it because central asia was the labor front of the soviet army. the idea was central asia would feed and dress the soviet army in order to enable it to fight the knots the army. and if they have to die, if the locals have to die they will die. so one 100% of this food was confiscated. not 99, but one 100%. of course locals find ways to hide food. the refugees, they don't know how to find food and they know enough farmers they were under conditions of extreme malnutrition. if people wanted to get out of the soviet union in a had a chance they would do it.

but in some cases some families said whatever will be our fate will be our children's fate. our children will stay with this. in some cases children ran off the parents said they wanted them to stay in the children did not want to they ran off and got on the trains. in my case my grand princess i did send the children. >> i feel like your book is like many books. the beginning is exploration of your families pass. then there's this incredible history of finding the past is 3 million jews. and then the end is like a mystery novel when the israelis come here reminds me of an israeli army intelligence, how are we good to get these kids across the board appeared and then it has this incredible energy and anticipation on how these kids are going to get into israel. it does all of these things and at the end you're really close it with you really sort of answer that question, why did my father love my grandmother more than me? blessed question i want to ask you is after doing this, where

is home for you? >> i think it's the repetition of the trauma. so in some ways i'm also kind of a migrants. i have been in new york since 93, my life is here. but i have to say that i spend more and more time in israel as time goes by. and concurrently, my love affair with new york is gone the way many love affairs go and it's become quite vigilant. partly because of what new york has become and how hard it is to live here. i would really say intellectually this is my intellectual home for sure. i probably couldn't have written this book in hebrew from israel. i had to have that distance, and i had to have these people who are only available here in

not an israel to help me with this. my intellectual home is here, maybe my heart is in israel. >> is a book going to get published in poland and israel? >> let's see, i think it must get published in israel because there are a lot of these survivors and their families are there. it's all the question of money for translation, it's a really long book. there is a frankfurt book fair a few days ago and people were there and they said people see footnotes and they are daunted. but i think eventually, i'm sure it will get published in israel and hopefully in poland and in germany. we will see again it's a complicated book. for poland so there has to be plenty of leftist polish

publishers but we will see. i hope so. >> we have a few minutes if anybody wants ask any questions. >> you mentioned that you had. [inaudible] how you went about, how you. [inaudible] how you went about doing that? how did you manage to get it? >> that's a great question i am an israeli citizen even though i have an american passport. so i couldn't really travel to iran. so he went to a number of times when he was researching for me and iran. but a sound like you can just go to an archive and find everything. so we found bits and pieces.

we found some people, we actually found some people who still live in iran, they were children. let's say they were polls and jewish who married iranian men and remained in iran and one of them actually has a little archive in the basement of a shoe store in tehran of these refugees. so we were able to get materials from him. i was able to meet the son of the man who was in charge of these refugees on behalf of the iranian government and meet him and talk to him in new york. i have memoirs, and there was one rabbi polish rabbi that was also refugee and he wrote a very careful memoir. he described going to these persian synagogues and what happens to these children. this is how i was able to

reconstruct it. it does feel a little, i wish i could travel there and think would make a big difference. but i think i was able to know quite a lot, also i was able to read materials of these basically landon stein -- [inaudible] who came to iran to try to help these refugees and they wrote things. they left a lot of records. and letters and they write letters to their children so i was able to read those. this is my source,. >> how did your parents make? that had to be difficult relationship did your mom know what she was getting into? >> it was a difficult relationship and also my mom

was. [inaudible] my mom was born in palestine in 38. she didn't know anything, she was -- they were very mismatched in a way. they met on a beach or something like that, even now she read this book and was shocked. she had lived with this man all of these years and had no idea. >> anybody else? >> i want to thank you all for coming and thank you for writing this incredible book. i encourage you to read it. she will sign some copies for you if anybody was to buy it. thanks again for showing up. >> thank you very much for coming. i have to remember this in every talk please follow me on twitter and facebook because one of the things that has happened since this book is taken off is my publisher was like wait you have no presence on social media.

[laughter] it's atrocious. i have been trying to build my presence very, very fast. thank i have a lot of more events and a lot of things going on with the book. so thank you again for coming on this rainy night. [applause] and thank you cheryl for the wonderful questions. >> here's a look at some books being published this week. former assistant secretary of education in the george h.w. bush administration diane ravitch offers her thoughts on the privatization of schools in slaying goliath. in a time to build, national affairs editor argues that supporting american institutions rather than replacing them will repair

partisanship. the brookings institution susan hennessey's share their thoughts on president trump's impact on the executive branch and unmaking the presidency. and in america's expiration date, syndicated columnist cal thomas examines american's future through the lens of failed empires. also being published this week in a very stable genius. washington post white house bureau philip rutgers and staff writer carol suggests the trump presidency has been defined by self enrichment. risk for caldwell, senior editor at the weekly standard contends that reforms from the 1960s have led to the problems we face today in the age of entitlement. and, donna jackson's the angel and the assassin reports on microglia brain cells that can act as our brains healers and destroyers. look for these titers in bookstores this coming week. and watch for many