senator rand paul reports he tested positive for the coronavirus tweeting " he is feeling fine and in quarantine. he's asymptomatic and was tested out of an abundance of caution due to his extensive travel and events. he was not aware of any direct contact with an infected person. he expects to be back in the senate after his quarantine period ends and will continue to work with the people of kentucky at this difficult time. 10 days ago our dc office began operating remotely hence, virtually no staff has had contact with senator rand paul.

>> and senior writer for the american prospect, good sunday morning. thank you for being with us on c-span, we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> let me begin with the front-page headline of the washington post as congress gambles to work on a stimulus deal now approaching close to $2 trillion which is an unprecedented amount for congress. your thoughts on what's to transpire over the next couple hours and days? >> it is unprecedented. this is an unprecedented situation. we've never had a situation where we basically ground the entire american economy to a halt all the sudden. with every other recession we had there might've been some kind of a shock that precipitated it but it still unfolded over somewhat of an extended period of time where you could see it coming. this really happened all at once. you have this huge shock to the system and that has led congress to say that we really need to do something of a scale that we haven't done before. right now the two democrats and

congress through publishing republicans in congress are all work negotiating the all want to do what seems basically the same seven things but there's a lot of arguments about the detail and the scale. for instance, the ministration came up with a proposal that would among other things give checks to every family which is whatever he wants to do but they wanted to do it with $1200 for each adults and $500 for each $ndchild and just a one o kind of infusion of cash. democrats wanted to do something much larger talking about $2000 for each adult or $2500 and doing it repeatedly over the course of however long this recession lasts. there is also a big question about unemployment insurance. you can have this gigantic infusion of people needing unemployment and it's already it happening. so that's something the democrats have been pushing for is we need to really put a large amount of money into the meunemployment system and remov

some of the bureaucratic barriers that exist at ordinary times. their waiting periods might have to wait a week or two before benefits can start things like that that they want to get rid of because they are going to be literally millions of people who suddenly in the next week or two are going to need to get unemployment insurance. there are a lot of people who are not part of that system because their employers may be gig workers, other people who are not eligible under ordinary circumstances for unemployment insurance. you have to find a way to get them in because they are losing their hours they suddenly have no income at all. you can get a sense this is a problem of unprecedented scale there's a lot of complexities if we want to really address it. i don't think there's really any serious person who believes we can stop the recession at this point. but the question is can we mitigate it to the point where it's not as bad as it might be.

>> a team of reporters from your newspaper the washington post putting the blame both on congress and the president based on intelligence warnings back in january early february about the scope of this pandemic. >> this is something that i think everyone who has been watching television has seen from the beginning the president has been very intent on happy talk i think it's clear he was worried that there could be bad effects on the stock market on the economy and that of course has come to pass it was inevitable. from the beginning he's always said this is no big deal we've only got a few cases it's going to be fine we are doing a great job. the reports we got from inside the white house show that he was getting intelligence briefings sort of raising the alarm as early as january about how bad this was going to be but it's clear that what he wants to hear is praise of his performance and people around

him are reluctant to tell him bad news. you can see that when you watch daily briefings. you have career professionals people like anthony fauci giving an account of what's going on in the night turned to trumps political appointee like vice president pence and now cesar secretary of health and human services and they tend to make sure every other sentence they say is praise of president trumps leadership telling him how great he is and that's clearly what he wants to hear and i think that it's becoming obvious that his desire to minimize the political damage and hear the good news and not the bad news has perhaps colored the decisions he's made as this has progressed. >> argus paul waldman, joining us in our studios in washington. we are practicing social distancing as the cdc is recommending. from a new york times magazine on this sunday morning there is this in terms of 2020 politics bernie sanders believes america misjudged him, did he misjudge

america? in the washington post you wrote the following about senator bernie sanders said sanders was not my favorite among the two dozen contenders for the democrat nomination or even in the top three or four but has done an extraordinary things heal reshape the democratic party widen the ãb and inspired millions of followers feverish devotion. >> i think is an extraordinary achievement. he is somebody who had the same views but couldn't get much of a hearing was always banging on the door. but he pushed himself into the

center of american political debate. he felt short because there was flaws in his theory of how he could become president. he had an extraordinary grassroots movement that would basically tear down the walls that separated him from the white house and turned out he had a following that was passionate and large but not large enough. in the end what happened to him in 2020 was not all that different than what happened to him in 2016. there were more democrats redecided to vote for joe biden. just as there were more democrats in 2016 who decided to vote for hillary clinton. nevertheless, it was an extra ordinary achievement. if you look in the democratic party with the policy debate is now, we never in american history before had a full and vigorous debate about the merits of single-payer healthcare. we had one now and i think bernie sanders deserves a lot

of the credit may be most of the credit for that by pushing e that into the debate. as it turned out, there were limits on the support that single-payer could get and a lot of people are interested in something maybe less threatening maybe that doesn't change quite as dramatically and as fast. i have 100 opinions about that imbut you have to give them credit for the fact that we had that debate at all ...... paul:r sanders. the race was almost decided before things got really bad with coronavirus. and have. been come obvious that biden was almost the inevitable nominee even before they stopped

campaigning, this would be necessary for sanders to win almost every primary from that point forward. in order to become the nominee. that just was not really possible. so in that sense, the fact that the race coming up frozen from a political standpoint and from the democratic voters who are hoping to have the opportunity to choose a nominee, a sort of good that everything has fallen out and somebody candidates had already left the race and it looked like biden was the nominee. the kind of calculations that led people to come to joe biden candidacy are only reinforced by what is happening now. he was never the person who inspired the most passion, it was always about for so many voters about biden is the kind of person that and the people want to vote for. because that's really what the electability is all about. it is about who other people might like. not about who i like. i spent a lot of time writing

about why that is a bad idea. a lot of people gravitated to joe biden and now, for in this moment of economic crisis in public health crisis, and i think the biden, he is somewhat reassuring figure. his been around for a long time. he is safe in many ways and i think that for him, this sort of reinforces the grounds on which he was to be an appealing candidate. he's never going to send word to get you the guy most of us excited running when i think is really a campaign of restoration. it just turn back the clock for years let's just get back to things where they were more calm. we were not or didn't have all of this craziness. we will get rid of donald trump and then we will all be able to come down. and maybe republicans will didn't agree with me and a few things printed and maybe our so manicwill not be all of the time.

so in a time when war in a moment of crisis, and maybe has even more appeal than it did six months ago. >> bernie fell short because socialism is a known proven laser. and former senator on nbc morning joke with the following in terms of for this racist, i think the conversation is going to quickly turn to how and when bernie sanders unite themo democratic party and i do think the pressures going to mount especially at this time of crisis in this country. the democrats to unite clearly behind the voters preference. paul: i think it's an a mistake to think that the american people as a whole are always motivated by ideology and have a strong understanding of what ideology is and of a common and agreed understanding about what socialism is printed for people to watch it cspan, those of us who are immersed in the

political world, we understand how these pieces all fit cagether pretty good most americans who don't really spend their time worrying about politics, they don't really necessarily have a real firm grasp on that. if you look at the things bernie sanders supports, most of them are quite popular. people want higher minimum wage, and universal healthcare. and climate change and all those kind of things. can you wrap it up into a thing called socialism any givenoc nickname, and you can kind of a belt maybe negative associations. and we really have no idea how that will play out in a general election. you can ask you what you think of socialism, and you can get an answer in full but you won't know until you tested in an election because people don't vote for an idea, the vote for a person. so we don't know whether the public will project socialism and reject sanders in the same time. kind of an unknown.

so that is something that we may never know or at least for a long time. hostpage from america needs joe biden. you can send us a tweet and then there is this saying to people will regret not voting for bernie. he is been right on most of the important issues we have faced. we'll go to carla in new york city. thank you for waiting. >> i just wanted to say thank you tear gassed printed things i think you stated something concisely but what is filling but the whole coronavirus situation. i don't think it's, listening to previous call this morning, i don't understand why the trump supporters have to tiptoe around the president every time he gets into a question from the press. he was people in roy's people on a daily basis. women, i think people just need to wake up and i don't get how

this man can be a bully. and he goes from a constant coward because he doesn't like the situation on how it's deflecting with the way he is feeling things. thank you for much printed. host: thank you, is marion who is joining us from lakewood, new jersey. guest: good morning. i hope you listen to me like you listen to all of the democrats printed i am so tired of cspan, don't hang up on me. can you hear me. i am tired, listen to these democrats. these phonies, colin, the me tell you something. obama ran away from the serious problem with the chemical warfare in the redline. as apparel between her tail between his leg. who took care of it. trump. and then obama had a crisis

under god. they make it back to trump. as soon as he found out about this chinese, he stopped the people coming in from china it will going out. and what did that the democrats to cover the cost of a racist. well then when we asked for help of the border at the border of mexico, they said it was a tony. made of crisis. these democrats make me sick. host: two different perspectives. paul: and the firstie your was referencing to this thing that happened on friday with nbc news and pass the president in one of these briefings all you would say to people who are scared and the president reacted to have people are scared.

and the president acted reacted negatively. he said that he was a terrible reporter. and we want them to be good administratoradministrators prer type certain moment when public really needs some aura kind of emotional support. and we look back at the president in times of crisis, we see that what they did was when they are successful, they kind of channeled our emotions and give us the understanding that they understood what we were feeling. and some reassurance about what will happen in the future. so if you think back to the ronald ragan of the challenger disaster giving a very moving speech in the oval office our barack obama after the newtown master wiping away tear talking about how he and michelle are going to have the children tiger printer george w. bush at ground zero, remember that moment of him saying i hear you. the whole world will hear us all

soon. the president channels what we feel makes us feel as this note this is going to be all right. i think this is something that president trump has really struggled to do. and that moment, the white house kind of crystallizes it printed he was given an opportunity when he was asked, what you do for people who are scared. he interpreted as an attack on him and then he attacked the reporter back. where all used to this. he says quite openly, when he is twiticized, he will attack back twice as hard. but in the moment like this in a moment of crisis, the people naturally have a hunger for that we want more leaders from, and it beyond all of these kind of administrative stuff, and then i think is something that president trump is just not capable of doing. it is not his instinct is not sort of part of his toolbelt that he brings to any kind of

moment especially moments of crisis like this. host: including ronald reagan and george w. bush, part of our conversation, under podcast weekly, for listeners and viewers want to check it out, have our conversation we have tape from her on the phone in boston. we talked about leadership in turbulent times is available in the free c-span radio app. quincy michigan, good morning. guest: hello. just briefly, republican color, i failed to see how fallacies of moral equivalence amber is an argument. that obama did this and somebody else did that. i don't get that argument. but anyway, that's not my

question. the socialism, they are having a sing stigma, subsidies. so all companies, because of the trade war, that is all fine and dandy. now businesses like delta air lines, 30 billion in debt because they used to buy back stocks and reward corporate executives. and now they need a bailout from the taxpayers. i failed to see how pretty money and solve this problem. host: bailout could total up to $50 million. about 750,000 toys around the

country. paul: the call makes a good point. when the debate ongoing all of the time about how far the government should go to help people knew it should help and what safety net should look like and what kind of government spending are good andin bad. now in this moment of crisis where both democrats and republicans are saying that there no choice but to have the government act and act extremely aggressively. and they will argue about how great aggressively to act. right now, democrats and republicans both want to take every step of the government can to try to basically save the economy and have this huge infusion of cash. but this is one of the key questions. who is most of the money going to go to and has a going to be distributed. right now there are lobbyists on capitol hill to see if they can carve out some kind of industry are the people won't notice too much. putting a lot of attention on the airlines.

i will make huge profits in recent years now we are coming for us. there are lots of other industries that kind of what their piece of the pipe. present a moment of crisis when everybody is suddenly become a socialist. and that is really the question all the time is it for all going to agree to be socialism, is a home. right now, you think about this relates, right now the reality is that this public health crisis has the potential to make it impossible for donald trump to be reelected. democrats are asking for more money to be more aggressive even though they know that could potentially save his presidency. and i should point out that when the situation is reversed and barack obama got elected in 2009 and part of the worst economic crisis since the great depression, or not so eager at that time. the recovery act of we have seen

at the time, center $87 billion. like the biggest thing that everybody could remember and it pales to what we are doing now. but they got zero republican votes in the house. put only votes in the senate. so right now,ri though democrats would be more aggressive than the republicans do, but at this moment, the ideological debate about whether socialism has just about disappeared. the only question is how aggressive should the government take over the economy to shored up or for how many weeks or months before we can all get back on her feet. speaking of the senate will gamble back in at 2:00 o'clock eastern time. there will be a vote at 3:00 o'clock eastern time line on "c-span2". lawmakers will try to push through what is now being reported to a $2 trillion stimulus plan to help key industries and healthy market

people during this coronavirus crisis. nancy is next, altoona, pennsylvania. good morning. guest: i'm calling in response and i don't even want to bring up parties. want to bring up the issues. that's what we should be that's what we should be doing more of. i want to state that i heard the actual president put down that reported for asking a very logical question in these times. he takes defense. he doesn't because that is his personality and he does not like the press when they leak out things that probably are true. it is not always truthful as me know. so what i want to say is i just listen it to the mayor of new york and he is trying to get the military involved to get more

supplies, ventilators and things that we need. is not going to be ending too soon. and he repeatedly asked president trump to help to get to his home state. for the main areas that has more cases and that need these things and of course every place we need them. he refuses to get them involved. he just does not think of the whole picture. an adult believe he's as smart as he thinks he is. he has no logical reasoning. it is all about what he thinks will get him elected. in this way he is doing what he is doing. hands listening to people more than he ever has. it is because it is out of his hands and he knows that he is looking like not the president that brought the economy up.

he is listening more than ever in this crisis but not enough. he still has that character that he is the chief and knows more thannd the people that are tryig to conquer this crisis and save lives. i am just so tired of hearing about the parties. with the issues of what is going on with this crisis right now. anything that he does right now, . host: will leave it there. what is your response paul. paul: are the things that happens in an ordinary time in an ordinary presidential campaign, is that you can say that certain degree, is the primary, only really matters at the edges. the democratic party has a set of things it wants to do and

will do every time he gets into the white house. the republican party has things that they will do every time he gets into the white house pretty -- know the republicans will cut taxes and that will move for women's abortion rights and to deregulate and things like that. and the democrats will doo opposite of all of the things. but the identity of the individual the kind of personality traits that they be bring to the office are are still extremely important. despite all of that some kind of built-in. all of the personnel's and thousands of positions throughout the executive branch that will be the same. so we see this now, i think maybe sort of heightened and exaggerated almost at the personality traits that define thisis president i really coming to the floor. and if you remember back in 2016, perryman a lot of republican had reservations about president trump. this step will be smoothed out. all of these things others like

other politicians, he doesn't know a lot about the issues and all of that. and t it makes us a little uncomfortable. but in the end, the have the right people around him maybe he will become more presidential once the weight of the office makes it so clear. and so those things about him and all of the tweeting and everything that we don't really like, it won't really matter all that much. but it turned out, the personality of that one person, that oneet individual this is te oval office does really matter a lot. and it does determine the shape of events. it is always been true but i think we seehe it more with dond trump because so much of him is really public. you don't have to wonder when he is thinking on any given day or any given moment. all you have to do is look at his twitter feed which is his a unfiltered expression of his emotion. so when you open that up, and you see even had a moment like this, he's insulting people, that gives you a window into what is going on in his head and how he is spending his day and

how much is watching "fox news" and is retreating it. and so, and may be true with every president to a great degree, the individual and what their personality is like, determines what kind of decisions they make and how it ends up in folly. but we see more with donald trump because he so open about it. this is sort of an interesting aspect of him as a president. they know him anyways is extraordinarily dishonest. we sing the total of 12000 lives, core lies and is a font of information and at the same time, is utterly straightforward about what he is thinking.wh and who is angry at you never have to wonder about that. this is unlike many other crises when there's something going on behind closed doors in the white house we didn't really know when john f. kennedy was thinking or whatever is no modern age and

with particular this presidentre is so public about all of his emotions, we know exactly what is going on in his head. for a lot of people is not particularly reassuring. host: talking with all graduate of the university of pennsylvania, he's also senior writer for american prospect and want to share with you that this is the headline from inside of the post. virtually empty in the strip. the headline says seven priests marking a crisis for always on the las vegas printed business is the never close to taking the shock questioning and sending stuff home. in the street from a viewer is watching us on the channel saying he nice the hollen program and answer that if is any indication our biggest problem is not going away regardless of how the virus results. given this response from paul. let's get to rich of the republic: line joining us from

new jersey. guest: good morning guys how are you this morning. paul, may i call you paul thank you. i hope we can have a little time. you're really, disingenuous. you guys have attacked the president, the questions that the reporters asked, during these news conferences are really really terrible questions pretty trying to make him like you don't care about people right and that is this guy that has no feelings. you never know million years asked obama that during a press conference. in this disease was going around when obama was in office. the questions that are asked in this room, your room, when the cover him. is he a racist, and people come on cnn and all of these things that bring guests on and they

said he should be charged with murder rate you expect this man to react. to some of these questions you people are asking and you write articles you come on here today, were supposed be document the coronavirus epidemic in all you sive done is attacked as president. and every word that you say this morning. i think it's very bad and during a time like this, you can't come together and admit the man is doing a good job and trying to get with the people need out here in our government doesn't have a hundred thousand respirators. they never have, neverer will. and the woman was just on their from pennsylvania saying is not getting the equipment. it has be made. he does not have a magic wand like obama had a guess. call, i don't understand leave constantly attacked this man. i read a lot of your articles any come on the show today, and attack and attack and attack

like this man has no feelings. this president cares about american people more than most presidents. including the democrats. they're great actors. they know what they're saying, and they know how to say printed is not a politician fall. and i'm sorry you're on here today doing this because this is a time when we are supposed to come together. like he is trying to do and democrats in congress to get something done for this great country. talkingknow what i am about measuring the struggle there. you agree the people to becoming on nbc cnn calling this man what he is being called. host: we appreciate your voice in your perspective and we will get a response pretty thank you for the call. paul: here's what i would say. when the car says that president obama didn't get these kind of questions. of course he did pretty got

plenty of questions. and plenty of criticism. but the thing is that all of us have a perception of a filter that we have. so when we see a president that we don't like get past those questions we think that is appropriate and want to happen every day. we don't even take note of it. and then we forget about it. when we see a present that we do like, we didn't say that it was unfair we get a little bit a great and six in our memory. so today, republicans look back at the obama years and feel like i got treated so nicely never got any criticism. that is just not true at all. but the thing is, that democracy is really messy. and we could live in a an authoritarian system. like they have in china for instance. target of one criticism right now. we have media that says everything's going great in the leadership is fantastic.

i'm things going to be fine. this is the system that we have. we have a system that is all about people asking questions and the president is going to get criticized pretty there is nobody, probably in the world who gets criticized as much of the president is no matter who is at a particular moment. it only stretches being unfair when you happen to like the presidents. i do criticized him and i'm allowed to have an opinion. one of the things i criticized him for is his belief that he has to sent back and every criticism against as it though missus sorenson sort of schoolyard. i study show that he stuffer he will get enough.h. that's not what it's about. he does not have to make a personal attack on everyone who makes a personal attack on him. he can choose another way. and so, we have to acknowledge that this is the price we have i pay for living in democracy

and free stream of speech and free debate pretty you will hear things needlelike printed criticisms of the people you favor you do not like. people, you think arere stupid r wrong, get a chance to make their voice heard to. and it is unpleasant at times. with that is just the price that we all pay. in the end, we think that's the best system delimiter. you joe biden, made a woman, who was on the shortlist in your mind. from his vice president. paul: interesting, and the democratic party, will be almost impossible for joe biden to basically just be another guy. this party that is diverse than 40 women, the make most of the voters. this party people of color, there's just not or would not be acceptable at the 26 oh one with all due respect, to make sure

they replacement level white man by tim kaine. and just would not be acceptable in 2020. so he came out incidents and you can debate whether or not it was a good idea to say it now or wait but i think it was going to be possible for him to do anything but have a running mate this person of color or both. that is, there are lots of good choices out there. we saw a lot of very qualified and intelligent and charismatic leaders mother present this year. even despite from among the women who are over and rice. cloche are any, harris, there are some people outside who did not run for president. senators and governors, there are some people who who don't sort of fit in the federal government. even people like stacy s abrams

who is at the state level became a national figure. now a lot of it, is a coming down to really great personal things. in every four years, who week here after, we get to reporting from inside about how these thingsde related. there's kind of a rational calculation that goes on about how does this person reinforce my own weaknesses and strengths or whatever. i often find that a lot of it comes down to look at a personal rapport did these candidates really when they got together with them. so the ability to work together. the thing that. so it's hard to know yet, if this person would be a good reason why she is one example would be a good choice. but a lot of it will end up how comfortable is fighting with that person. and there are special considerations that are specific

to him. one for instance is his age. he is 77. i think you want testimony who isge younger and could if he suffered some kind of health issue or decided after 40 years, or four years that he wasn't up for another four years that that person would be the logical choice. to be the democratic nominee in 2024. all of those things will come into play. but in the end, more than anything else and may be who joe biden personally likes. host: frances in millbury, massachusetts pretty good morning. guest: good morning gentlemen how are you. i have been watching you this morning. i want to pretty much every sunday morning. i'm kinda curious as to what your guest there thanks of all of these beat down on the president. for three and a half years, i have been listening to this

conspiracy and that conspiracy and this conspiracy. but we never seem to see what is going on on the other side. it is always donald trump, donald trump, donald trump. i've read many things in the washington posthe and the new yk times, every night own paper here. and some bad this morning, that i won't put their names out there. william horn from vanderbilt. we went all of the way to the civil war. in lined donald trump. we have isaiah from the washington post. he writes an article about this government being back in basically in the article, he declares president trump as a racist. in another article, in any rate, mcgarry schillings, new york

jersey consultant. how will the marketey do. blaming president trump basically for this coronavirus thing. host: so please put that into eight question for guests. guest: president trump put it trouble been in china, january 302,001st. approximately two weeks after he heard about it. they called him a racist and all of this other stuff. what's your opinion on this. host: will get a response. thank you francis pretty. paul: heat makespo a good point that there is an unusual focus on the president in particular. it is always kind of a lead actor in the story that we tell about our political and public life. but is more true now and with any previous president. you can see going all of the way back to the campaign in 2016 when he w was just such a sort f

overwhelming personality that a lot of a networks just camera in front of his rally and broadcast for an hour. and what happened in this rally which they have never never done before and don't do further candidates because it was just so kind of shocking and overwhelming. everything about him and his pain. and we've seen that in his presidency as well pretty of all of the oxygen. an intention. a lot of that is because that is how he likes it. when he stands out, find the shocking tweet, he knows it will get attention and people will write articles about his treats. i don't think you before this would get an entire news article about a tweet. he is somebody who wants the attention, who wants to be the focus at the center of all of the events. but the flipside of that is he makes it happens, he will also

be part of this criticism. you cannot become president of the united states and think you're not going tote get criticized all of the time. the job.art of and so you can be surprisingly have to make a decision about how much he was put responded that and when you will let it slide often have thick skin or whenou you will feel constantly responding to every criticism within the attack of your own. he has largely chosen the path. maybe some people think that they tear him on when he does that. in the state that it's great. his own's agent say that. if you watch other people in the white house, they always say that he gets back. if he gets attacked, he hits back. he can make a different choice. but if that is the choice you going to make, soul party, and say well, it was unfair that i am being criticized as much

land. you are the president, you are going to get criticized. host: rush limbaugh, shaun and laura ingram, they are part of the media. joining us from clarksville, tennessee.rn guest: i was calling in regards to the things that i heard about in regards to the shortage. it's a hostile situation, they could use auto claims, to sterilize the equipment and surgery. they can put the mass in gallons and scan off of the viruses and avoid. in the second thing is made we can go back to the days of diapers instead of disposable diapers. and lastly, i was raised in the time of to the epidemic if you want to call it.

when he is late for everything. and my grandmother had to be. and when he is correct for everything. host: hall response. paul: i guess we are having to search around for have to deal with this crisis. and try to look and is the color, some things we have been in the past but this is unusual. every epidemic is element different than the one that came before it. the shortages that hospitals are experiencing is obviously a big problem. and it's especially the public policy level and the decisions the government makes to prepare for things and not happened yet. for the president orco member of congress, to do the things that are right in front of you. look at the immediate needs

maybe a group political benefits you.s when survey says that we will really should be preparing for a pandemic that may be hit us or maybe never. it is often, typical for a politician to say, we will take resources away from something else. the scenes were pressing right now to prepare for that awful thing that could happen. what you end up seeing is that when the awful thing does happen, and this is the situation now, we don't have enough mass and ventilators. in part because it was difficult to lay in those preparations. in the beginning of scope. we have this national stockpile of medical equipment that government has maintained but is not nearly big enough. the idea that will provide a bridge to the private sector can get ramped up and produce all of this equipment was enough trying to do but one of the things that has marked this particular

pandemic is every day that we waited, was making things much worse. so we do not have enough testing kits. and they managed to basically everyone who had it, isolate them and had very few cases. we spent weeks and weeks without adequate testing while the virus was spreading and now we are kind of at that point was beginning to really should up. hence always a problem. we will earthy expression and ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. but he don't have the will to do it when it doesn't seem so urgent. then you're left with pedicure. host: are the job of the president to take criticism criticism is as part of his job.

guest: i'm nervous so please give me a chance. host: no need to be. go ahead. guest: he did not handle crisis. just two weeks ago 800,000 people going to the turkish border. plus what is not dealing with the cdc and professionals. i think it is all for the election. to promote the election. plus i never saw eight years of obama. okay. so the people and 70, he handled the coronavirus printed since january, there were warnings to prepare. he did not prepare or take it seriously. so his supporters, not taking it seriously. so to bring somebody else in for

his mistakes. paul: mike is right and were talking about how the president gets criticized president obama had to deal with people including most prominently donald trump. thank you is not even an american. i think it is okay for the president to think about politics. it's never going to be completely absent from the calculations in any moment whether we are talking about urinary date today and what is going on where everything else to work in pandemic. it's always good to be in their minds. the question is, what are the doing of the making the decisions anyway and the politics is a dictating to integrate that the other decisions suffer. president trump is been coming out every day with members of the attack force to talk about what is going on.

he does not have to do that. i think he wanted to show the american people and he was on top of it so is doing daily press conferences printed and that is fine. the problem is he comes out and says things that are not true. he's and everyone who wants to get a test can get a test. maybe new medication that might be a therapy. as though it were about to be distributed printed so it is not just that it will be completely fine for himis to say that i'm going to do daily press conferences to show that the american people am on top of the spring that is okay. etd maybe in some circumstances we would want that. to get reassurance that the government is doing what it should in the problem is what happens in the course of those press conferences. politics will never disappear. that is perfectly fine. the question is are there quite decisions being made are they the right ones. speech of michael the republican

line. opinion writer for the post pretty good morning. guest: first of all i want to say that trump 2020. and now i want to get into my thing. personally i all i believe this shortage of this crisis came from china. on this is also because of china. because we get this crisis because now we have it all over the world. so arguing china, many dead people should be on china's heads. paul: we can looksp? at the decisions like every government. we live in a world where it is very difficult to contain any kind of pandemic. there are thousands of planes going back and forth from every country in the world of most. to every other country. so it is really difficult in modern world to contain anything like this. especially, a virus like this

that can be sort of dormant where people could be spreading it even if they're not symptomatic. and so, there's absolutely nothing wrong with looking at the decisions of the chinese government me nearlyth the speed some are quite radical. like closing down wilpon entirely. they didn't contain and is much as they should. this point is not. as though thy have caused our recession. the fact that this could prompt of anywhere and spread everywhere in every government has made his own decision and now some of those are worse. right now in italy, their suffering extraordinary numbers of cases and deaths there. the health system is taxed to the breaking point. and i'm sure there are a lot of people are going to look at this decision the italian government meet and question them and see what they could've done differently. once we come out of this, we should look at what kind of

decision we made. holy could've done differently. not because it's important to affix blame because this is a toy to be the last global pandemic. something else will happen we do know hello it will be. we will face the situation in the maybe really smart and we prepare and we will be in a position where we are now. when we basically to shut down our entire economy. but we did that because we collectively decided that the alternative onion number of illnesses and deaths that would cause, when be much worse. but if we prepare properly maybe next time we can contain the public health issue without having to create a recession on top of it. we should all hope there's some kind of commission that does research and puts in a plan that

the next pandemic become toy want to be as devastating. host: robin from alabama. guest: i have apl couple of questions. first i'd like to know what the effects of the coronavirus is on the military abroad. also, do animals contract the virus and transmit the virus to humans. comment is there are 535 other representatives in the government that share responsibility with donald trump. i think he's a pretty good president. like the way he does his business. i think he invokes american spirit nestle we need in this country's american spirit. thank you for letting me speak.

host: and go to louise on the democrats line. guest: i appreciate your guest information very much. but i do disagree with him on the voting. i think we have time to switch to mail boats and i think oregon can help us. in washington dc. many people vote by mail. and i am one of them and it works just fine i think we tried to do it i think it is urgent that we do it because i think there's going to be a lot of cannery in the next boats. thank you so much for your program. host: a couple of different points are printed all your response. paul: i am not a scientist. so i don't want to respond to that exactly. i don't know what kind of steps bee military is doing with the could be potentially dangerous situations. in a thousand sailors and about, they're all in very close quarters. and at the virus is there, then

it will spread extremely fast. so that is something that i'm sure they are very concerned about. i don't know what steps are being taken but now in terms of the melt, the first thing to do, have every state move to the very least, no excuse absentee voting spread i think you should have to basically justify it. all you have to do is request one and you get it. it's kind of the most basic thing. they do have universal boats by mail and organ. everyone votes by mail. that is a lot of reasons why that is potentially a better system for everybody. but thea question is can we transitions to that between now and november ravens center and were talking about there plenty of primaries stuff to take place. a number of states have moved

back there primaries by a couple of weeks or months. we don't know if that will be enough time. that is a real question pretty if we wanted or decided today, that we want everyone in america the boat white male, could we pull it off. it is important to remember that there are strengths to having a widely distributed electoral system. you have thousands of cities and counties they're all running their own elections often time to do it with volunteers. not people who are professional. there are a couple of professionals there but the rest of them are people who are coming in oneo election day to work in the polls. so that system, in one sense makes it less vulnerable to hacking because it's so distributed but is makes it very difficult to coordinate things. so there up a lot of election experts who are trying to figure out could we make that transition pretty could we get

more voters vote by mail. in a number of months awaits deal and possibly by november, things will be settled down and will be a concern. only have extraordinarily problem not secure enough in people especially in poor areas of his hand on line for three to four hours vote. and wealthier areas year in and out in 15 minutes. before, it problem will be maybe worse this year. and we should address that regardless. host: very quickly, we are told that there may be some briefings beginning tomorrow but what is next up during all of this and short-term for the vice president in terms of public appearances. paul: and he will be an while.

he may do some speeches without an audience and things like that i think that were so used to campaigns being about these very visible events. the candidate goes out and they speak before the big arena full of people. another grassroots campaign of knocking on doors. and people don't want to do that either. so i think for the foreseeable next couple for the of months, the campaign will be online, maybe the candidate giving an address to an even out of his living room. and people trying to talk to voters on instagram. it will be a quiet campaign, at least for the next couple of months. host: washington post opinion writer,

volunteer. we are separated because of our social distancing. we appreciate your time and perspective on the sunday morning. >> five eastern to continue work on coronavirus response plan. reportedly report by you with $2,000,000,000,000.90 and are scheduled to go on advancing the plan is six eastern printed we will have left coverage. the senate republican peter mitch mcconnell unexpectedly pushed the boat back with three hours this afternoon and democratic speaker nancy pelosi sent a letter to house members saying that later mcconnell did not have the 50 votes needed to advance the bill. in negotiations continue. until the senate returns, look at some of this afternoon's debate. leader mcconnell: bipartisan discussions have been going on, among