always have to lean into the mainstream. if you look at 30 say, i don't love the fact that that f-14 flyover is happening during a sporting event printed but obviously maybe that's not the time but you're all right to feel a little bit different from what the mainstream want you to think. etan: notes from an uneven playing field by howard bryant. thank you so much for writing this and being part of this. howard: inc. you, it's my pleasure printed. >> weeknights this month but we are featuring tv programs, showcasing what is available every weekend here on "c-span2". tonight, our focus is the founding fathers first former job george bush jonathan forms speechwriter, in his book washington's pin about george washington's final years. then author alexis cho and you never forget your first. chronicling the life of the first president. i later, historian edward larson

on frank lin in washington about the relationship between benjamin franklin and george washington. watch book tv this week and every weekend here on "c-span2". >> robert and eileen are here with us today. she recently retired as director of corporate social innovations and president of thef caterpillr foundation. with philanthropic arm of this manufacturing giant, caterpillar inc. in addition to the 30 year career holding various leadership positions at the company, she recently helped transfer form the foundation into one of the world's most influential corporatel foundations and launch a collaborative platform that together stronger a catalyst for

prosperity, unites businesses, nonprofits, government, and citizens to combine their strength to alleviate poverty's for millions of people worldwide. please give a warm savannah welcome to michele sullivan. [applause]. michele: thank you so much and and thank you so much to this fabulous event. and savannah, my first time here i absolutely love it and i will definitely return it and i also love the weather when i left home yesterday in illinois yesterday, is minus eight. so i greatly appreciate the 60 some degree weather today. [laughter]. and i also thank you for your time today. take your home and treat her like everybody else. that is the advice that the doctor gave my advice over five

decades ago. on the day i was born. this is after he took an extra because i had the nevada clubfoot and he discovered that i had a type of dwarfism which few years later they found out is very rare type of dwarfism and like to think that my parents would've done that anyway take me home and treat me like everybody else but the acclamation is always nice that information and you may not think it was a big deal but back in the 60s, people who are born with a disability, were not treated like everybody else. and to some extent, that is true today unfortunately. but things have definitely improved. it did know i was any different. until i went to kindergarten. my big brother had gone to school and i was ready my mom dropped me off in a walk down the like i own the place and stuck my chest out, went into

the classroom and the teacher told me to go into the circle and play with the kids until class started. so did that, i went over to pop myself down and got right into it. and didn't take but a few minutes, the boy next to me, i remember like it wasas yesterda, he said in a very loud voice, hey, why are you so little. what is wrong with you. i didn't think he was talking to me, i had nothing to do. it didn't take very long and the other side of me, said jan, why are you so little. and then i looked up and i can see all of the other kids staring at me. i could feel the confidence go right out oft me and did not understand why. have you ever had the feeling of being overlooked or underestimated or not being included. most people have sometime in their life.

my first time was when i was t five and in kindergarten. i had no idea what just happened. and just today, as the day went on from i was outside of the circle. both literally and figuratively. i was certainly not sitting inside of the circle. so i got into the car, mom said, so how was it. it and i love to have that as it is there something wrong with me. and she said, she paused. camy mother never paused or hesitated so it kind of scared me. she goes well, we are all born different. and it is the way god made us and you will be smaller than most people but you're still going to be able to do whatever you want to do. maybe in a little different way, no pun intended but you will be able to do whatever you want. and of course i had no idea what she was talking about. and he did notot make me feel ay better at the time read but as i would into first grade, and then

into second grade, against i was in the same classroom so that really kind of got over it. let's know me and was on an issue. but when i went out into public, the stairs were always there. there came a point where i did not want to go out at all. and when i did i had behind my parents. i wanted to t find. i didn't understand what was happening. and it was all because i was shorter and of course as we got older, the gap increased. so came into second grade teacher introduced us to the math game called around the world. somebody stood next to somebody's desk and whoever gave the answer first, but to move to the next desk and kept moving and whoever one, let's keep moving. i come to realize, i was good at math. i was great at math and i waste one around the world.

anyone you can't take your animal out of the cage on the bulletin board put it outside of the cage. and of course i picked the giraffe. [laughter]. right, install and had a neck grade both of which i am not. so i put my animal on the outside. because of when the game and you know, it was the first time that i started to realize what my parents were trying to tell me. there's really two kinds of growth. in this one of the first chapters in my book. looking up. we spent about the first 18 - 20 years, growing on the outside and for me it was ten years. [laughter]. and then we spent the three quarters of her life growing on the inside. because these kids started to say, you know michelle, the one in math, it wasn't, you know michelle, that little girl.

it was the first time that i noticed that i was known for something other than my size. and it was a great feeling. i had never had that before. g and keep in mind only had that feeling at school and so when i went out into public it was not there. but i started to realize that i still am growing on the inside. and you grow all your life. and l think about your emotional stability in your emotions, your relationships, your psychology, all of these things that makes who you are continuously evolved the rest of your life. so then comes grade, his rainy days and the teacher taught thomas chest and we would play lots. guess what, i was great at chess. to the point where i would win tournaments. it in there i was again. i would go into these holes and

i hated walking into the chest full, it is a huge room, so many tables and when i would walk in, everybody was staring and i was just like please god, just get me to my table. i would climb up the table and it is sinema needs or cannot see. and most of the times, mostly boys and they would be staring at me and think we are playing again. a lot of times i would beat them in ten minutes because they were busy talking. i would win. i then get the trophy at the end. in the first time it happened, this boy brought his mother over when the parents came over to pick us all up. and i thought oh, what is he going to say. and regarded. he said mom, this is that girl i told you about she wanted, she won the whole thing. a girl. this girl. so once again, i was looked up

to. and so is life goes on, we learned the lessons and it still did not help a lot when i went out in public and i still needed other tools and resources. my mom boys told me, start we are, use what you have, and do what you can. and that is what we all do in life. and we go at a w different pace and support. then it came time to do with my orthopedic problems. type of dwarfism has a lot of hip and knee problems. i like to say that i was born with my check engine light on. that is how it is. so my parents took me around the country to find someone that could help with my skeletal dysplasia and we were introduced by someone who happen to be the first little person io ever misread and never met another little person until i was 12 and

i thought it was the only one. keep in mind this was before you at cable to be in 300 channels right. so we went out to baltimore to john hopkins to meet my doctor who specializes in schedule dysplasia. and along the way, he called us and in first thing he started to talk to me about my personal self. all the doctors i met because i do have a very rare type of dwarfism. after the never saw another person like me who had that type of dwarfism. so they treated me like a specimen. but not this doctor. he asked about school in my personal life and was i going to college and all of these things. i am 12 and have not even thought of that myself yet. his point was that i was more than just my skeletal dysplasia. so i had a series of surgeries. first i went was a 1979, nims

june 12. at that i remember it but i do remember it very well. after the surgery, i have this nurse named kathy who was a student nurse. she is about seven years older than me. and she was there the whole ten days that i was there and joyce came in and we really had a connection. i don't know what it was but she nds so open and so caring and she teased me a lot to love to but a lot of fun. was not the most enjoyable environment for kathy made it enjoyable that was so cool and choose she was going to college and being a nurse. it is time to go home and she said, give me a t call make the back, for physical therapy. so excited to go back and so mom and i should recall or should not bet' calling my dad said, cl if you want. we've got to t lose. and we didn't even get a word in edge wise and she said oh

you're back in town. she came back. and i stayed there for therapy, my parents had to go home, he was counting into me out. she took me to her house, she put me on her kitchen count cancer and she would your homework and we would chat. and i just thought she was the coolest person. she was my mentor. i looked up to her so much. that's all for kathy that taught me and my parents had tried for years but you know takes other people tune you finally realize that you have to let your guard down. for people to come in. i always have my guard up. even today, you never know when something's going to come up and say so you're always kind ready for anything. she really taught me that you have to let your guard down and let people get to know you. i do that, i did that for school and people really started to

know who i am and what i was about more than my size. but i had be more than that. the only time you walk in the room, do you t ever scan the ro, and you think you can i talk to) who will be respect deceptive to me. and he looks more like something might be interested in whether you there for a particular reason, anyone to go talk to. people sometimes would go right over me like i'm not only there. i understand that, it is a little awkward so i have learned, to make the first move my parents joke with me that was born with the gift of gab. and i can't they say that what it was. and so i really use that to make the first move and talk to people. and they get comfortable and you just start chitchatting. what goes along with that is a bit of humor. for instance at the hotel, i

needed to go to floor ten, i can only reach three. and there is money in their sum, so you know what, i would really like to see how the view is on ten, would you hit the button. and they are laughing. when that really came in handy, traveled quite a bit for my job. so i'm on an airplane and nature calls once inth a while. so get up and i wanted to the restroom in itasca flight attendant, would you mind watching the door for me. because i can't reach the lock. i am 4 feet tall by the way so i'm in there doing my duty and the door flies open. and it is a man. [laughter]. he said hello.

[laughter]. why these points are important, it's in the chapters of the book. think about the two types ofgr linear guard down, making the first move, and for me, asking for help is a strength, not a weakness. i had to ask the flight attendant to help me. i need all the time. if you are here earlier, i need help on the stage. it really is a strain. the other piece of that story would in one of the chapters, it was also important, whenever someone steps in and i will say, it is always important that you try to have them stay safe. that man felt a lot worse than i did. i sat in there a little longer than normal. and i thought, what to my going

to do. i gotta get out of here right. it is a plain, turn 50 people. what are the odds be sitting by me. i probably won't see him again. so come out and was on the i/o and there he was on the other side of the aisle. and i think he was put there on purpose because it gave me an opportunity to walk up to him. his face was all red. so was mine. i walked up to him in arlington, and i said, are you going to remember this is much as i am. [laughter]. he laughed. and he said probably. however, it sure is not talking about it publicly like i am. [laughter]. but any time somebody does something like that, or says something and i going to detail

and one of the chapters about this because looking up is about elevating the viewpoint and the value of others. we all have value. i look up to people my whole life. literally. but tell me the most important posture which is to look up to people figure relatively free because we all have value. were all dealing with challenges everyday. you can see one of mine. but is not my only one. so when you see people and they may not be the best mood or whatever but think about some help making adjuster that gives them a positive feeling. because you do not know what they are dealing with. early dealing with financial problems, the dealing with mental illness. are they dealing with infertility, any type of issue.

couldn't you just don't know. the book is about why you can't walk in my shoes, minor size one by the way. we can walk side-by-side each other and that is vitally important. and to get to know people, just like this gentleman in the plane, we talked the rest of the flight created he was a sports person in sunlight. and we really got to know each other and it started to break the ice and the most important for me on the plane ride was to make sure that he would talk to someone it was different the next time. it would not shy away and never look at them and always look right past them. nobody likes to be overlooked for whatever reason. it was so important for me that day, to leave him with a

positive moment. i stoped with the plane landed, the company's initial i notice, he sat down somebody lifted your suitcase up and i said yeah, i will catapult that thing into there. and he said, can i get it down for you. and i saidd yes, thank you so much. that would not have an eye do not started to talk to him and get to know each other. so when you try to influence people, intimacy always works better than influence. when you start to break the ice, and you start to get to know people and much guard down, you really come together with someone. and you start to look up to them. this is important because all of my life, said michele, you need to write a book. i said what about. if they said much like. i said we'll have a life in a

story. i did not think it was ready yet to write a book. as my life went on, particularly as a starting at caterpillar, i started to notice a few things. i may have something to contribute, but i'm not ready yet. so when i graduated college, i interviewed caterpillar for instance night of job. this was 31 years ago. there really weren't handicapped people are not very many. and they hired their smallest employee. an top of that, a woman. i had a variety of jobs. it, marketing, arts, product exporsupport. it was in the north american commercial division which was the most important division in terms of sales for the company at the time. i was in the 80s. i remember walking down the

aisle on each side, all glass windows, you know the managers, halfway up, there is bowl and glass. swimming walked by, they saw from here up, they saw the top of my head that was it. unlike my kindergarten day, i remember the first day walking in there. and all they saw was the top of my head neck your people like drop things like what is that. right by the window and it happened in every office. they do not know me. mica said, getting to know people, intimacy works better than influence so here i went along the offices, and i should not have giggled but i it was funny. they had no idea. it was one office after another in the more i went the moray giggled. and that it was my turn to show my value. my job. grout with the requirements were

so that they could do their job better predict what information they need. and then feed that into it and work to get that information to them. it was me who had to make the first move is to talk about in my book too go in to go into these white all-american looking males which they were back then and introduce myself and they're going, what you want. well i'm here to help you. and they went, yet really. and i would say yeah really. and we would start talk. i went to all of the managers and started realizing they a all needed similar type of reporting. and so i worked on that read and not long after that, all the reporting came online and they started using it. and go back and ask how it's going and is the god familiar with it, it's going really well.

and then, funny enough, i remember the day that i started walking back down and instead of all of the hustle and bustle try to figure out who just walked by. it was, michele come in. i would come in and they would say this is what i need now, this is great. and i would say oh okay. i couldn't go down the aisle anymore without getting called into every office. because it's all value and what i was doing. but they had to get to know me and what my value was. in the book i talk about don't we all have that role to play. you have to show your value to people. they have to be open to see it. because at the end of the day, we all have choices to make everyday. one is, we all have challenges and differences. am i goingng to live on this and hide in the world and just let it be there.

i'm i going to try to fit into the world as it is today or embrace your differences arees your challenges, treat them as assets and realize they could be used to impact other people. and we make a choice every day about whatever your challenge is. i have to do it too. my parents kicked me in the butt when i needed it. we all have pity party and nobody likes a pity party but you did get down once in a while. i completely understand that. and to this day, kathy and i are best friends. she has impacted so many people's lives and it all started in 1979 in june when i met her. and when you think about someone like that in a friendship that long, there is something special there. and kathy has looked up to so

many people because she is now a hospice nurse. a job i could not do. but god bless her. and when you think about the types of impact that will have on eachhi other, and that we can make, that is very important. in the book i go one to highlight people who i have looked up to in my life i kathy and we only people to hang around with and lean on when something really good happens and when something not so good happens. i call it my kitchen table. when something you probably go to something really bad happens, don't use you people, it is like a kitchen table, we stay have dinner every night a moment at go how was your day. and of course in your kid, the most exciting thing is charlie puked today. he really dead and went all over

the floor. and he went into detail right. but other than that, how is your day. they're trying to get out, what did you learn today and so forth. so my kitchen table was very important in my life because your days when i would get knocked down because i always want to be in the middle of everything rated what i get knocked down plants, being in the emergency room, my parents would say, michele, you don't always have to be right in the middle of the action. and second, sometimes you have to go to the side and walk straight through cloud because people can't see you. i did not understand that. i kept walking in the middle. those like the weevil wobble. another thing that is things in u.s. backup. that would be me did so when you think about it, who was your

kitchen table. then once you get your head around whatever your opportunity or challenges, don't to expand out a little and you tell more people. colette my village. i have a tremendous village. just come here today i'm a i have who helped me get here, to help me fly here, to help me get on the stage and help me around yesterday. your village and changes in your kitchen table changes as your life changes. don't you come and go with friends the menu have not talked to for a decade and lo and behold, something happens and you reach out for the reach out to you and no time has passed. and that is another piece of where you have to ask for help. it's a strength and weakness so was one really had to talk to my village on the great

opportunity. i've been involved for a non- for profit since i was a teenager is a passion of mine. caterpillar is a passion of mine because my dad worked retired from their my sister still works there and headquarters was in peoria, illinois i knew it would have a great career working there. in a the 23 years in and then a product manager's office, out of the city and my boss since me an e-mail, all it said was in happened it. thought oh crap, what happened. how often does your boss say, either happened or we have an opportunity for you. right pretty so i waited a while the call. when i finally call and i said hey leslie, what's up.th she said, michele it happened. and i said what happened. she goes, accountability foundation job came open. and i write in detail about this

because one, i couldn't believe it. the job really came open. once we got it, they kept it for a decade or two literally. it and i started in 1952, and is a philanthropic caterpillar, and you make investments all around the world with the partners with their facilities. it was my dream job. i always find myself on the first floor hockey those folks in finding out what they are doing. i always wanted that job. it was a highly visible job, it was so impactful which was the most important thing. it she goes, do you want to put in for it. but i knew i couldn't do it by myself. so when home to talk to my kitchen table. my sister, and mama because i knew it would impact them if i got this job and i needed their help to make this work.

they said go for it. we've got your back. my mom said, but i want to see the work first. i get first dibs on all of your trips. it. [laughter]. i said you got it. so much of people but in as you could imagine. my friend leslie for my behalf is writing the book, wrote a note to the n hiring manager and gave why she thought it would be great for the job. and so i was one of three people that got interviewed in the erhiring manager had to get it okayed by the ceo. because they do represent caterpillar and the caterpillar foundation and the rent and everything. and so, jim, the hiring manager and ceo, picked and doug newton, knew myea work from years before

that he'd always my work before i worked a lot of the areas that he did. as he moved up and he gave his blessing. i cannot believe it. i could not believe it. so i called my mom and my sister and i said, i just cannot believe this. and then it's on the me, on now we've got to go. what are we going to do i knew what i was going to do the job because i was prepared. people have always said that we have a way to make an impact in here is yours. so got the job, and it was one of the best things that ever happened to me because it opened up my eyes to those living in poverty especially in extreme poverty. and as i went around the world, obviously for instance in africa, the normally don't see somebody like me. not only a little person but

blonde hair and even from a bottle. or scooter, and they would stand and pause. so it's interesting is that when i go visit schools, kids came running because they go another person playing with. [laughter]. and we. are seeing eye to eye, and then in the book i talk about how some people don't care what you look like. so many people to care. and here these children, they are as happy as can be they have the same aspirations that we all have here. i look up to themm so much because they're going to go get it too. they know what they want. and our investments are helping but it's all in turn out to them too. they're growing on the inside is a talk about. and i met betty who is a farmer in uganda. she wanted and needed money to

help her farm for a couple of hectares of land. i mean, with a hoe, is all manual. and she went to international, one of the non- for profits that we supported, that a small business loan whether be one or $200 and as i met with her and her little hut, she said michele, i am doing this because i want my children to go to school, education is key. it is the text think the mama told us. my siblings and myself. education. they have the same aspirations for themselves and their families as we have here. i look up to betty so much because there she is day after day farming manually, happy as can be, knowing that her children are going to be okay read there really struck me because it does not matter what

you have, is how you think and what your perspective is. in the same thing when i met with people who are living in poverty in the united states and you go talk to them, a lot of them are mothers. you get the mothers on the girls, educated in a way that can then support then families, the family gets out of poverty a lot of the times. so girls and women became a key focus for us. in our platform is to work with all the nonprofits just like we rkalso work together to help eah other look up to each other. and it made us stronger when the focus of those women, g the wrek of the word together, it was nice word some people said michele, you work for them, you must be republican. and i said i'll have been called a lot of things but, okay and

then other people say you work for the foundation. here democrat. all right. listen actually i'm a collaborator. i think we should all collaborate together and think you get a better bigger impact that way. it was funny how we have labels and i get put in a lot of them believe me. and yet, at the end of the day i can do anything without other people having me i really look up to 70 people. when you think about making the first move and how do i make an impact on the world, i looked up to other people do you have everything you need. it is on the hearts and inside of you take the time to really get to know people. and a couple that i met, john and jillian live in chicago, i go into detail in the last

chapter of the book, it is called the real measure of impact. it talks about how they made a trip, the retired and they went to a vacation and they ended up finding this piece of land in the school where the deacons lived in a building the deacons, a sibling of this farmland, because they wanted to start a school for children with disabilities, we never had the money. and theyil were asking for the money at the time. and so they started thinking back to the kitchen table together, the children they just kept justifying itt them. this might be something. and so they go on to raise enough money to open school. senate is called for under, f a r a ja, school enemies cover in

swahili. they have about 100 students and i visited there. and at the time, i can only usually spend a couple of hoursh and each partnership that we had but it's been abu full day at school. and six of the children were little people i noticed. and then others answerable policy and other disabilities and it was so exciting to be there. the children that there full-time and they gete a great education, food, three meals a day and it's a computer lab and have everything they need. and we danced and had a great time and i talked to every single students. we think they wanted toou be. accountants nurses, everything we wanted. i look up to them the night told them that i would be back in i would visit the school but what is interesting is, they are

totally impacted it country because that school is one of the highest performing schools in indonesia. now tell me that they don't look up to those children. children that do not times a day there and all there's so well performing that the government has taken notice. now the make it so businesses should hire people with disability risk because the school is highlighting how successful they are in school. in the education so think about them how they did to the school and how the ripples have gone out in minute generational impact because they went on vacation there. back i wish i could've made such an impact has they have. and so when you think about your

life and who you have looked up to who is looked up to you, rarely in life do you do anything all by yourself right. think about and reflect on what you've done life and have you been there alone. why has there been people behind you the way. and think about who you've been behind and the successes that you have been and done for the people because it's quite exciting and sometimes i taste tobacco. for instance, all this time for mom and dad told me, michele docomo right in the middle or did in the middle of everything, think about what you're doing before you get intoe it. i remember i left because i think about all of these lessons my parents taught me. i was in college one day. i will tell you all of the stories but and, i was late for

class and i needed to stop at the student center to grab a sandwich and go to the building behind their credit and there was a semi- when i got out of my car right in front of the door read enemy semi- start really long. i pondered for a a moment. that is a long walk around. so in the right idea, it was a,going to cut under it. right down the middle. so i walked under and then the engine started. i won't tell you what i thought. it was one of those omg moments. and before we knew what it was. wand i thought, and i only have one speed. i walk. that is it. i did find another speed that day. luckily, when he started semi, it doesn't just take off fast.

a kind of just lunges and did things. and i mean, i hurried across and i got through, and the driver is hanging out the window. and here i just popped out he was like, is looking at me. and i said thanks pretty and he is like looking, i can imagine what heus thoughts. so they go through life, i still remember those lessons that my parents taught me. and i still ponder them because i want to make sure that i can be all i can be. because at the end of the day, the real impact is that we all want to be seen for who we are w and what we can be. and the greatest gift feel that you can give anybody is to not only let them are not only that you can see them for all they can be but you also see one in themselves would maybe they have not seen yet rated and to me

that is exciting. and so many of done that to me. and i talk about that in the book. and the people that i met with the foundation and the people who have met throughout my life that it helps and that i get to help them back now. and what is interesting is when 2018, they received the points of light award. president hw bush started and it is about an award you get for service and volunteering. it worked so well deserving because it totally changed the attitude of the country rated because of their school. not to mention the impact they are having on m their children d their families. and when i think about the name points of life, and also looking at, to me it's like of white house overlooking the ocean.

and it's like his beaming. and it is not shining on itself, and is there to shine for others read and it does not choose who is going tong shine on. instance weights for whoever to cross site. is there to protect, serve and to eliminate for others and it sits and waits for something to pass its beam of light. for me, the tummies and all of the people who illuminated the path for me is in the book. thanks a lot of people the foundation and other people ofrt paired with that we our little bit of impact to eliminate path for others. so think about as you read the book who has eliminated your path and whose path can you eliminate.

and look up to them. and keep looking up because the view is great. thank you. [applause]. now if you have any russians. guest: how did the book come about. did you start writing or did you approach the book. so especiallmichele: i started to figure out all of the people as i said, who have eliminated my path, the who i see are so uplifting. then i thought i had a story. i did not want to be just about me. it was important to be about others and the impact that

they've made and how they made the impact and how you can make an impact in the world because the world is very divisive today. it is divided today. we need to come together. and stop using labels and silos for whatever labels people give us. i truly believe that if we come together more, we have more of an impact on everybody. instead of being so divided it. he used to be when i was a kid, he didn't always agree but you respected each other. ... ... to have an elevated view of others. i think we should all have

that. we all have value. as you leave today, meet the new people around you. the view is great. keep looking up. >> thank you. [applause] open we have a question. >> [inaudible question] >> is funny i don't know you're different till somebody tells you. [laughter] >> my question is she still experiences, she's in her 30s now. she also experiences those times in public or the stairs -- and i am with her and they are adults as well. they are just so intense, you

just want to cringe for her as well. is there anything, i mean she is very vocal. she has worked outside of the home, she's the first to forge the school system and things like that. she's very social she has a huge group of friends i have noticed when we are in public i can just see her melt into the wheelchair. >> i feel the same sometimes. i will say it does not bother me there's much as it used to. i will say theret are days where it gets you a lot. what are you gonna? you have a choice. so you just kind of try to move past. i do lean in more today, and if someone is really making it known they are looking, making fun or something, ihi will go over and introduce a myself.

you know, it's hard to think poorly of someone if they know a little bit about you, right? i do tend to lean and more. but there are days where i will just walk away. there are days i say a few words to myself. i don't reciprocate back to them because that's not going to do anything. but yeah, and my family feels the same way as you do for her. luckily there are more people who aree open to you and remember you can see our differences we all have challenges the same people are challenged every day or we don't know exactly what it is, what's bothering them what they're dealing with when ed patient and open acknowledge

they may be having a bad day for one reason or another but don't think poorly of them and don't judge them. we don't know what happened. and so you have tot recognize that and other people as well. but it is difficult, it is difficult. i agree. thank you for youror time today. [applause] weeknights this month or featuring book tv program showcasing what's available every weekend here on cspan2. tonight our focus is the founding fathers, first former george w. bush engine bush his book, washingtons and about george washington's final years. then author alexis company and you never forget your first,

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