there is a small ban of, you know, independent uncommitted voters in one of the things that we set in 2016 is the voters belonging to john trump whether they would vote the same way again in 2020 is a huge question. >> on battleground state wisconsin, craig gilbert, bureau chief year in washington for the journal sentinel in milwaukee. we thank you for being with us. >> thank you. great to be with you. >> the u.s. senate meets this afternoon at 3:00 p.m. eastern. senators will resume work on judicial nominations. later this week they will turn their attention to the nomination of one house senior associate counsel, brian miller, to be the first special inspector general for pandemic recovery. senators may also work on legislation providing greater flex ability to small businesses who receive paycheck protection program loans and possibly more debate on the pfizer reauthorization bill. watch the senate live on c-span2.

>> we are joined by armstrong williams longtime radio, tv talk show host, author, thank you for being with us here on washington journal this morning. >> good morning and thank you so much for having me. >> host: we started our segment last hour with michael hopkins saying we asked both of you on today to talk about the reaction last week to the death of george floyd at the hands of the minneapolis police. but as the protests have grown and the civil rest has grown and writing, we want to get your reaction overall to what we've seen particularly in the last three days over the weekend across the country. >> guest: you know, the beauty of america is our right to protest in a very peaceful way. the majority of the protesters are very peaceful and they had the moral high ground no different than the one when you had the terrorist attack on emanuel church in charlestown.

members of that community, even though they thought there would be looting and burning, [inaudible] was one of those killed for no reason at all. the community capped the moral high ground and it galvanized the world. and so, what you see in places opacross the country are people who have the moral high ground but it has been hijacked andof they are no different than the law enforcement officers that i consider to be their behavior to be no more than thugs, the weight george floyd was killed for no reason at all and others just stood around and did nothing as if it was something they were accustomed to even though cameras were rolling and they did not seem to care. you need to ask yourself what happened to these few bad apples that would cause him to react in such a way and not show humanity? it is also a lack of humanity to burn, loot, destroy, burn precincts and to disrupt where people have a largerle -- this s gone on for so long it did not

start with president trump but it happened with obama, clinton and bush. baltimore was burned, dc was burnt along time ago and this continued and what has happened and these dogsth to be taken ino custody and booked and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the lawford there is no place for that p and they are not representative of the maturity of people who want to find a peaceful solution and save the law enforcement but we cannot tolerate this anymore. we have to respect humanity and you cannot treat people is that the lies have no value. >> host: what you think the esponsibility of those that you talked about having the moral high ground had the movement that has been hijacked in your words come out of the folks, the peaceful protesters regained that moral high ground? >> guest: you will not lose the moral high ground when you watch that video or of what happened to george floyd. no matter what you may think about law a enforcement in the

community and the people protesting, you cannot see that. i don't know if people watched the entire nine, ten minutes to see that cruelty. i think people were shocked to see something like that. it's unfortunate that there are those who have their own agenda and i can't say whether they are being paid for someone and i don't get caught up in conspiracy theories or what it is that causes people to do further damage and further harm to community where they are suffering from the pandemic and covid-19. and yet i see these people onwi the streets and they say what i had to do with this but you destroy my way of life and i'm already suffering and not getting money and i got to employees that need to be employed and yet you have two show disrespect. i don't also think the answer is telling law enforcement in minnesota and other places to stand down. i respect the mayor of atlanta who stood up and said he was outraged and then she said there's no place for this. this is unacceptable and not helping his cause but storing

the cause. we have to have more mayors like the mayor of atlanta stand up and take the moral high ground and take this act away from this thuggish behavior. >> host: armstrong williams has the daily show on channel 1288 unserious at 4:00 a.m., and 7:0. in terms of the police and in particular the george floyd incident you mentioned the term bad apples but it has been mentioned by the national security advisers for president trump over the weekend. do p you think the police incidences the racial incidences in the country are examples of bad apples in police forces or is there a broader systemic issue among police forces? >> guest: both. you know, for me personally, i have been stopped 4:00 a.m. going to the gym and i have been stopped in theg. deep south driving. i've never had a bad experience with law enforcement. i've only seen the best of law

enforcement in my entire life of dealing with them and i find that 95% of law enforcement is that way. officers literally next door to capitol hill police and i know seny people in the washington police department and theyca comport themselves while in care and we find ourselves all weekend at breakfast places and eastern market and there's come lottery and we speak to each other and show respect. i can tell you right now they too are just ashamed and embarrassed and humiliated with what they see with law enforcement and what they will tell you is what happens is if you ask yourself how is it that someone like derek or siobhanan could continue to be promoted and move through the ranks and other police in jurisdictions? the reason why is no different than you ask why is it sometimes in the catholic church do they pass priests on and they continue to abuse these little boys? the reason is you cannot share their record in the present get that some at the next precinct

or paris has no idea of what their past records were but that needs toor change but if you hae that behavior and needs to be shared not only with the police department thinking about hiring them because you need to make a decision. you should be slow to hire these law-enforcement officers because that is something we don't talk about. many are badly damaged, come from abusive fathers, coconut palms, very bad situations and some get into all and pursuant to continue to work out their own psychology with what you see with derek and the way with george floyd. the issue is they should be slow to higher but they should be quick to fire. immediately you see this behavior you should not pass this law enforcement on where they could harm, kill and destroy lies. you must fire them immediately we want our guest, armstrong williams, 9:00 o'clock eastern the u.s. house coming in briefly at 9:00 a.m. or a pro forma session for the phone lines (202)748-8001, republican, 2,027,488,000, democrats and

independents and others 2027 or ##8-8002, we go to democrats live first in maryland. this is ed. good morning. >> caller: good morning, hello. basically a couple things i would like to say. one thing about this policeman what he did was he conducted a form of extreme torture, it wasn't just murder, nine minutes of torture. he knew people were watching and he knew it was put on film. he didn't care because he knew there was a great probability that down the road the type of guy in new york are all these other places, even the guy who shot brown that he would get lots of money from the alt-right people to defend himself and he would walk out. that is the frustration is that they know that they will say let's take four, five years to determine and give them enough time to forget about what this

man has done and walk out. it's not before then. after -- african-americans have been dealing with this stuffd r 400 years, 400 years of repetitious, negative reinforcement but imagine that? if that happened to our counterpart, 400en years of negative reinforcement of who, what, how you are, how god created you and not just here in america but look at other places where you have people who were formally from africa and brought over as slaves by the portuguese or whomever. >> host: ed, will get a response from armstrong williams. >> guest: you know, i agreed with him in his opening seconds but he lost me on the alt-right. it is not the alt-right the tree people like derek chauvin. we want to malign but [inaudible] it is about right

and wrong and about moral striving for the fact is the system allowed derek chauvin to stay under the police force. you can only imagine the police force and code blue allows you to stay on the force and you get away with what happened with him in the native american in a similar situation you begin to believe your behavior is okay so you become an enabler and that was obvious when his colleagues were standing around him watching him do what he was doing. they know humanity about them. they looked in her eyes. they were just as guilty as he was and the bottom line, what creates this attitude and behavior when you see it firsthand and it is being recordeds and you do nothing. >> we leave washington journal at this point to fulfill our 40 plus year commitment to live in senate coverage. you can watch this and any c-span program online@c-span .org. lawmakers are about to gavel in print they will work on judicial nominations. a vote is scheduled for 5:30 p.m. eastern for later this week the senate will take up the

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