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this beautiful sunny day but we appreciate this regardless and we plan to be back and stronger than ever in2021 . we had a great series of online events. they are all archived and available for replay at our page and you can click on raven bookstore at the top of this page to get to the list of archived events. a couple other things about how this is going to work. marie is going to give a short author talk and show us photos from her book and we will open it up to questions. you can ask a question by clicking the ask a question button at the bottom of your screen or click it into the chat window. we appreciate you asking questions to keep the discussion moving and we want this to be a participants event as much as we can in this strange online setting and another thing to note at the bottom of the screen is this button that says buy "america's harvest" here and

that will take you to the raven bookstore which we are where we have these in stock or if you're in lawrence we can deliver it to your house tomorrow afternoon for free so without further ado let's get to "america's harvest" which is a thoughtful and important book at the intersection of space and landscape and agriculture in the heartland, these are all things we are thinking about in kansas and we are excited to hear the great work putting together this book from marie and we can't wait to hear her talk about it. marie mutsuki mockett is the author of picking bones from ash and the japanese say goodbye which is a finalist for the penn book award and she's written for the new york times, salon, national geographic and other publications and has been on top of the nation all things considered. he is a core member of the rainier writing workshop and visiting writer in the nsa program at st. mary's college incalifornia . she lives in san francisco and is coming to us from the monterey peninsula in california . please welcome marie mutsuki

mockett. >> thanks for having me, i'm so glad we get to meet even in this sort of space. is that for me, is that a few for me to start my presentation? >> so i have a few. i will start with a few photos that i have, a little presentation around "america's harvest" to explain what it is to you. the opening line is this is the land of primary colors so here are sort of some of the primary colors that i referred to in thebook . these are a couple of large combines. i think most farmers i know, people outside of farming refer to them as combine harvesters. this is kind of the backdrop against which american harvest is set. andto give you a little bit more historical background ,

i live in california but my father's side of thefamily, my father is american . his both of his parents emigrated to nebraska and this is my great grandfather percy who was actually born with english born in spain then came to the united states by camden new jersey and then became the union pacific railroad doctor and moved to western nebraska and here he is driving his horse and buggy, no doubt off to go and have somebody who's sick somewhere in the prairie. and i used to be the historical note about how he became famous in that part of nebraska during the 1918 flu epidemic when he would hire people to drive him from homestead to homestead. as he would sleep and wake up

to take care of people who were ill and i used to think that story was amusing because i thought it was probably the origins of why my family has a tendency to drive towards for as many hours as they can before stopping to sleep by the side of the road and now i think it's amazing because i realized that he participated in trying to relieve some of the suffering during the past epidemic. i think that made me reflect on that story alittle differently . both of my great-grandparents , were bartered tracks of land in nebraska and colorado which became our family week farm. this is a picture of my other great-grandfather who was the town dentist. kind of amazing i have his picture, i think it was taken in the 50s and there is my great grandfather melvin and his wife mildred doing what barbers do, inspecting the crops. my father was born innebraska .

and in the footnotes version of the event went to vienna austria with my mother who was from japan. they were both studying opera and they gotmarried in nebraska . here's my mother and her komodo and her first ever christmas. and they got married and they had me here we are on one of our pieces of farmland. i actually remember this, we were having a cookout and my mom made both of our house. my mother's adjusting to family my life and in the united states. this is a picture from probably the late 60s, early 70s and the point i wanted to make was if you have a lot of farm ground and you grow wheat youeventually have to cut it . that has been made easier in the 20th century by this machine called the combine, the aforementioned combine

harvester and that the picture of my grandfather looking at an old machine. here's a picture of a newer version of the machine, a photo that was taken maybe three years ago and i think one of the biggest differences you might notice is how long the thing is on the front, that's the header. the piece that actually cuts the meat and then sends the cut we had to be thrashed and then later on the grain is separated from the head of the week and goes to the back of the combine but it's that first part which is much larger andtherefore more efficient at cutting the week . and commoners like us hired men like this gentleman eric waldman with the main character in american harvest to come year after year to cut the meat. rather than having the equipment to do it ourselves another a number of farmers it is for a number of reasons on the go into that in "america's harvest" but combine equipment is

expensive and can make more sense financially for farmers to have crews who come to do the week so eric , becomes a major character in american harvest along with his son justin was here onthe left . and the bulk of the narrative in the conversation is constructed around the american harvest is constructed around conversations i had with eric and justin . every year, eric gets ready in lancaster county pennsylvania. he loads up his equipment on the back of a semi truck and this was a photo taken by a drone ithink , by the character in the book whose name is samuel and after loading up equipment like this eric and his crew drive about 1700 miles from lancaster county to texas where the american wheat harvest begins and i have here a math for you which shows you what that journey looks like. the blue dotted line is the harvester that eric takes every year cutting wheat for harvesters in each of the

states and this is theroute i followed . that's the sign of the story of american harvest in this map, i've included a couple of other historic roots. the green lines show the historic cattle trails, the red line is the trail route and the mormon trail route would be parallel to that route and you can see the union pacific railroad, transcontinental railroad i should say and you can see how the harvesters i took in 2017 intersects with a lot of famous roads in american history so a lot of the details from the stories around those historical incidents occur in american harvest. and once on the road the custom harvester who live in trailers like this.

able campsite. the laundry on out to dry. i think somebody put the americanflag up for this picture . i think it looks nice in the picture. every sunday we go to church which was a new experience for me. there were a lot of conversation around religion in the book. so the guys who eric hired to work for him not only to drive the equipment that are good at fixing it so this is your two of the guys on the crew which had come across problems with the machine and their building parts and fixing whatever was broken so the combine could be fixed quickly and go back into service different way of life than my friends in the city have where if your car breaks down you take it to a mechanic, wait for someone else to fix it and get the car back and that's not the way it works on the farm.

generally these guys try to fix things themselves faster and cheaper and kindness is something everybody worries about with farming because you want to get the crop out while it's right and you don't want to do be do but destroyed by natural elements. in our journey we were exposed to many things of great beauty. this is a picture i took in nebraska and it's one of the amazinggreat plains sunsets reflecting off the week truck . and then i'm just going to leave this route here up again so that you can sort of imagine in your mind where the story takes place. actually i think the first loads of equipment already on the road heading to texas the wheat harvest will probably start in early may. this year too, but you can see how the route goes up through oklahoma and western kansas and then that since the colorado and nebraska and there's a long journey through wyoming and over to

idaho . so that is a little bit of the background for "america's harvest". i will come back to the virtual space click those photos are gorgeous. but a great way to have a document, not only with the book you've written about this experience but also the gorgeous photos as well. it's great to see notes. we do have a question from the audience. you actually glanced at it at the end of your talk and i'm certainly wondering about is the effects of the coronavirus pandemic on these harvesters. the question is can you tell us what the harvesters are doingnow in a crisis ? have theybeen declared essential ? >> i think it is business as usual for them and i saw they

loaded up the other day the first equipment that has to move from pennsylvania to part of the staging area. i think they set everything up in oklahoma before taking it to texas so the equipment is on its way and it's business as usual. i hadn't heard, the last time i had spoken to eric, i knew that every year gets new guys to join the crew who have to get a truck driving, the elements of the cde has been closed since march in pennsylvania so i don't know what the development is on the butt it's affecting lots of harvesters there are also harvesters use international workers because so many americans go to college in september and harvest extends into september sometimes into october depending on how people go. so i haven't heard what the

latest is for international workers. i think they're not able to getinto the country this year . they held already become more difficult and there's more and more paperwork but you can't just leave the week in the field. and so harvesters are on their way to cut back green for us. >> i wonder, with turf being such a central part of their lives will be different i imagine unless services are gathering. >> i was wondering about that . i'm sure they will continue to go to church although i don't know if it's going to be virtual church which they watch live streamed over a computer in a trailer or a do some version of house church in a trailer with sort of personal bible study, i don't know. and i don't know what the world is going to be like for social gatherings area i think it's already very in a little bit in terms of which

states are opening and what's not so this kind of crew is going to be starting in texas going up to oklahoma and i could imagine a scenario in which churches talk to me again in those states before they do in the coastal states but it's going to be interesting. it's going to require more improvisation. >> here's another question from the audience. given the time and research there must be a lotthat didn't make it into the book . what's a favorite detail didn't make the finaledit ? >> was the second paper hunting scene in texas. there is one where we have one pig hunting scene where i've never been hunting for and wild pig is a big problem as people who live in rural parts of america know so that was introduced to me and i go on a hunt. and the second was taken out and that was too bad because i was really trying to capture that feeling of incredible and crazy adrenaline that you have i'm

not a hunter and i wasn't firing again. i was trying to convey someof what that experience was . though that doesn't make it in and there's so much history that this book intersects with that i think we had to cut out a lot of but there'sstill quite a bit of history in the book . so those things that make it in area is also a visit i made to a farm in kansas. which is where i have a, i had a rather expensive lesson in soil quality and in the work of an agronomist but it didn't fit in with the characters are in american harvest so that so there are number of things the first chapter i wrote was really long and they had, they couldn't keep all of that material. so that would be some of it. >> what's really interesting is you saw just on the

writing process as a writer myself in question i'm wondering you've written novels, you've written a novel, you've written a memoir which is nonfiction with you as the main character and now you've written american harvest with someone else at the main character, you find what are the differences in the writing process for you between those three different types of projects? >> with this one, what's so funny is intended for this to be, for very much for this to not be in which i was a character, i was trying to say i'm going to take a step back and portray this world as isee it . the problem that i ran into was i couldn't fade into the background. i'm female. and looking enough that i kept having experiences that interrupted what i thought the narrative was going to be there and i thought the narrative was going to be me describing what the harvesters were doing so that people at home by the time that the city could

understand how it was harvest. things kept interrupting that for me. and there's interruptions became more intense and by the time we left idaho which is the last place where the story that the harvest takes place, we were camping on an individual indian reservation and the rv park in indian reservation, harvesting wheat. it was owned by indian tribes actually farmed by mormons, descendents of mormons that way so it's a complicated piece of american history and it even possible to focus on harvesting the week because everywhere i went everybody thought i was native american so i couldn't just pretend like this wasn't happening and i couldn't pretend like we work on an indian reservation and all that intruded on the narrative. and it's for a family profoundlyaffected the cheap the story took . so one of the things that happened was my editor read the first draft and said you as a character initially

appear on page 80 and i said that's probablyabout the time i realized i don't get to , but i'm going to have to be a character. and we had to reinsert my present at the beginning. so that was an interesting experience. so in some ways it's not that different than theprevious book . >> it strikes me that even, i'm glad you became a character in the book because it would have been disingenuous to ignore all of this stuff that was happening and i think it's the stew issues of urban and rural divide. and identity and all kinds of other interesting things that the book is dealing with . picking up the rural urban divide, do you see this as another question, do you see this any question about debates around covid-19 and the rural urban divide in america as a resident in a rural state i am interested in hearing what you have to say aboutthis . >> i love this question as it comes from justin.

justin is a significant character in the book. >> noticed that last name. not unlike that question didn't come from justin. absolutely i think i was thinking aboutthis this morning . in this, i have, i was thinking of this morning i have a childhood friend. who lives outside the city and is, who keeps saying look, the inception rate is incredibly row load so it's not going to hurt to reopen the united states for business. at which point i said the infection rate is lower than we thought it was going to be cause people have been sheltering in place but it's hard for him to understand because he doesn't live in an urban setting. therefore doesn't understand how greater activity could have inhibited the infection rate that rate even higher etc. i feel like it's a huge,

i feel like this covid-19 has revealed that difference between this lifestyle that we leadand the ways we work which are very different . there was a meme i saw the other day on facebook from someone living in the city and it was something like the next time i have to listen to somebody from the midwest say that new yorkers are rude i'm going to point out to all new yorkers a home and how people in the midwest stormed their capitals waving guns saying reopen our state which of course is a gross oversimplification of what has happened both in the cities and midwest that kind of rhetoric whichis unhelpful . and it makes me sad but it's i think that this pandemic continues to highlight those differences. >> here in kansas, there's two things that i think are relevant are goingon .

one is the current hotspots in kansas are in dodge city and garden city atthe meatpacking plant . there are a couple of large-scale meatpacking operations having a hard time controlling, containing the virus and there's really intense debate that's bouncing around in the courts about what churches can and can't do and there's a church near lawrence that is really trying hard to its right to have services in person. and there's all sorts of rhetoric between people within more institutes and have more cosmopolitan and urban people point of view and where the church is located so it's certainly an interesting way. >> it's funny to, a few weeks ago i had this conversation with eric on the phone around food supply and we were talking about how covid-19

has impacted we carving and i wrote a piece for salon which was published about a week or two weeks ago but in that conversation he had said to me the interesting thing to watch is meatpacking and meat facilities and this was weeks ago and as is often the case in these conversations with him it's suddenly showing up in the news and somebody else here has a comment on meatpacking facilities in south dakota and in iowa and also nebraska, anywhere along the interstate 80 you can see how the virus is spreading and traveling across the united states and impacting farmhouses and meatpacking facilities and there's also the news about how there's going to beon the shortage . it's interesting because that also reveals to us how the senate we are across the country on people who live far away from us.

>> yeah. >> all other places in the book. >> the idea of who is essential has become such a important question. >> and the coverage of who is essential which i understand, it was always medical people and medical personnel . these farmers sat as long on their hands as long asthey did it all because that is essential . >> right, yeah. here's an interesting question from the audience. was it hard to spend so much time with people who were so different from you and in ways was not so hard? before you answer that, how long were you on the road with the crew and were you camping alongside them? can you talk more about the process of the book and answer the question about spending time with people who are different. >> i was on the road with the

harvesters for about five months total . from may all the way through toseptember . it might have been a little bit shy of that and therewere a couple times where i had to leave and come back . and to get an understanding of how extraordinary that people are in the book, eric has purchased, and i didn't understand this completely the first time he told me that he had purchased an additional trailer for the so there's a trailer that eric lives in with his family that he has a trailer for the guys and he was a i bought a new trailer for girls because a character named bethany was going to go along with the harvest but he was also saying you can stay in the trailer. before i really only understood the implications of what that meant. and he was extraordinary and open and we had been having a number of conversations over theyears about farming . he knew i was in new york city but my family have this farm.he knows he'll my farm

ground betterthan i do . and was trying to get me hard to share his knowledge of agriculture. not just wheat farming but all kinds of farming. he led me to my first chicken farms and meet my first layer farm, intermediary forms etc. in pennsylvania so that i could get like a whole picture of agriculture.then what happened was really in 2015, we were all, he was very nervous. before the election. he remembers so many of us thought there was no way, would win. eric had a lot of concern but i think it's possible that he will win eric otteson and eric thought one of the reasons why this happened because we have this gap in understanding the way that our country works and so that's when it was sort of

the decision or the invitation was put forward that i go along with artists to start to develop an even more whole picture of what this urban and rural divide was. >> so that is kind of the background to the book. and as far as how difficult it was, it was a difficult in the sense that i didn't always understand what was happening, what i was seeing and what i was hearing but there's also a degree to which i like being placed in a situation like that. so it was challenging but i never, it wasn't like an unwelcome challenge where you feel like that's an environment in which i cried and it's the kind of thing i like to do those are the kinds of conversations that i generally like to have . >> what was one of the biggest surprises for you came out of this process of writing the book? >> one of the biggest surprises would be that i had to ask the question of what christianity was and was

there anything that i could understand about that i had never understood before and all of the conversations around that were surprising and wonderful to me. i would say that was a little one of the surprises and the other is i think my deep understanding ofamerican history . it surprised me that and continue to surprise me now and somebody asked me the other day some of the biggest lessonsyou learned and i said well , i only recently thought of this. i understand what the founding fathers meant when they discovered this continent. the united states has the ability to produce enough food to feed itspopulation and there's few countries that can do that . we talked about food shortages. in the united states, there are the news shows there's so many people lining up food banks but we actually have the capacity to create enough

calories for everyone to consume which is extraordinary. mother grewup in japan . after the war where there were a number of years of starvation partly because japan had colonized korea and had moved a lot of the farming off the main island of japan.and one of the reasons why japan had such starvation was because it couldn't produce enough food to feed their own population. theunited states doesn't have to have that problem . and it made me understand you know, among other things the incredible greed that we had initially when we develop the country because it was extraordinary to haveenough landmass that could produce enough for the people and another thing i didn't understand the degree i do now , it's not terribly comfortable. it's pretty amazing. i think there are countries in europe that produce enough food or their own population. and i don't kinda produces enough calories to feed

itself either. >> i suppose that's a surprise to me as well. i had never thought about that either of you for running ina period of mind me of this question from the audience . about american history and you've mentioned it briefly. but to what extent is there an awareness of native american history among the people you spent time with ? >> so we do go into that a little bit in the book. i think very different characters have different awareness of american history and i think one of the most telling moments at the end of the book where the character emily says how am i supposed to feel bad about the history of a native americans in this country. and i then had a series of other conversations and the answer is really reconciliation isn't about feeling bad but it is about

being aware of what people stories are and there's a little place towards the end of the book where you see different characters trying to in fact demonstrate awareness that they might not have had before and those characters do notchange their behavior necessarily or demonstrate greater awareness throughaction . but there are , that's a really dark and complicated comfortable there are moments , some of the darkest moments in the book around those questions i had discovered a writer writing about this because i felt like wow, this is not the story of native americans is not my story to tell. on the other hand here we are living in an rv park in reservation as i said and i'm speaking native american to the point where i was invited to participate in events as though i were a native american so i was something i could be shy away from interfering the way different characters kind of lived

history, interpreted that history, understood that history , became very uncomfortable. there's a point where i'm having a conversation with a woman is native american who has adopted the mormon faith. then says you know, god took away our land because we were unrighteous which was so distressing to me to hear but i realized that this is a way in which land seizure has been justified and that it is an attitude that people continue to have and continue to wield against each other. i know that and i knew that and but to see it in action and to see how it impacted people and their sense of security and stability and having this, seeing firsthand was deeply distressing and

makes me realize this is something we still live with. >> i noticed your calling the people in the book characters . it's a nonfiction book and one of the characters is in the chat askingquestions . which it struck me as interesting. has anyone that you have written about in the book, have they read it? >> they have read it, yes. >> how did that feel to know that people ... >> it had to be done. there's no way around it. the book i've written, either it got written or it didn't get written and people read it or they don'tread it . so it seems to matter more that the book was written and the story was told and the questions were asked then to remain silent.

so that's the job. >> i ask this because i'm curious. >> i could tell you off the record, not off the record but i lived with this project and i was told this by my friends to write nonfiction. but people who are in the book are called subjects, and you get to know your subjects. you write your book and you sever your connections with them that's the way this project generally precedes. that really wasn't going to work in this case . so i'm trying something different. >> good luck. >> it wasimportant to me to be honest and say here's the thing i saw and here are the things that happened . and it was really, i was very aware very early on that there were conventional narratives that i would be expected to follow, conventional attitudes that i

would be expected to have. so it was important to me that i not have that as i went forward and as i wrote the book. so there's a sort of a way that the coast use the center of the country butthat wasn't going to be appropriate . it's not actually my personality anyway . i remember somebody saying to me if we're going to write a book, the correct ending is for you to go back and live onthe farm . and i said well, most people from the city don't go back and live on the farm and that's not really what's happening in america. so even if you think that's what the story supposed to be at probably not an accurate reflection of what's going on right now in the united. we have an aging population of farmers and a diminishing number of people. i don't know what's going to happen as a result of this pandemic that would be realistic but it so interesting how we think we know how thestory is supposed to go . and without even realizing it we carry that bias and how

the story is told that it was important to me that i not be used that way. >> outing with you and characterize the relationship to the land of your farm. >> its ever-changing and i think about all the time. i'm not the person who knows how to fix the equipment when it breaks and that was what myfather used to say in . we would before this process, of writing the book when we would talk about farming, he would say to me all he would say well, he would say two things that we have wonderful people in the farm runs itself and then he would say you can't farm. you don't know how to fix anything. that was the number one skill he saw that was lacking because i live in the city and my response to being things breaking is out called experts that knows how to fix it. i'll call the guy who knows how to fix my car, that knows how to fix the plumbing. and that's not the way that most farmers with most

farmers live by this set of wonderful coat of self-reliance. and i don't know how to fix things. by the same token, whenever i'm out with one of the guys who works for eric they will say to me i wish i had farmland . if i wanted to break into farming it would cost me a minimum of $700,000 and then i think wow i have this incredible privilege of our family held onto his farm ground. it would be sort of wasteful for me to just say i don't really know how to farm so i shouldn't farm i don't know what my relationship is to the land and what is going to be read and i'm essentially a landlord which is not a particularly attractive title . so i don't know. >> i would argue that using it as a launchpad into this wonderful thoughtful exploration of these issues it has been producing this

book and has is worthwhile for sure and certainly could use the land.>> if i were to write it and i wouldn't have been able to write the book and it's true that it's, i mean i did try to do something constructive with but there's also probably, i'll never know the land as well as the people who farm. and who are therephysically . >> yeah. in the. there's a question here from the audience. what connections do you make about the landscape or people or towns of the areas you traveled through on hardest and the same you visited and written about in japan . >> what connections do i make about in the same, i've written about japan western mark i'm not sure what that means. how do people relate to the land?

what do i think about the relationship between people and land and what do i see in terms of the relationship between people, land and japan. i think i understand what the question means. i thought a lot about how the process of modernization is. people use the term globalization a lot. you understand that term i think a lot about the process of modernization. which overlaps with globalization but is slightly different . we see the same prophecies before the pandemic. you see the sameprocess happening in countries that modernize people leave the countryside . a way rural areas and agrarian jobs and moved to the city for worker jobs that impacts traditional cultures exacerbates her intentions . i certainly saw that happen in japan in the same way that

happened to the united states and in japan there are a number of ways that plays out the ways i investigated traditional focal religions are preserved in the countryside in a way that they are not in the city. in japan. so very old traditions are preserved in japan in a way that they are in the city. it's a little bit different in the united states because it is a younger country but you also still see that urban tension i think in terms of people giving up or leaving a rural area to go live in the city for a worker job and how that can exacerbate tensions. and i thought a lot about i've had these moving experiences when i go to places i used to go to in japan as a child. i go to a temple and i went to as a kid and it's being taken care of by somewhat farmer in his 60s does part-time when interest comes by he's no longer, they are

no longer enough people to take care of the temple because you have this agrarian population and we see that happening in the great plains and some of the towns and rural communities so i mean, there's a relationship there. i'm not sure that's what, quite what the question asked her meds but what initially comes to mind.>> it's interesting and thoughtful and well said so we will roll with it regardless of whether it isthe question . >> and its shape that are preserved by people who practice agriculture and ruralcommunities that are very different from the city . inside and sheltering in place i ordered a ton of poles from the holland company and i like them a couple weeks ago and then i will occasionally go out and dig if they're startingto come out . because i don't have faith in this process but all of them are sprouting,the defendant quite come out of the ground . really good farmer wouldn'tdo that .

>> they would have faces a single sprout so it makes sense that certain institutions that revolve around having faith in believing in the power of research because their lifecycle are exist in rural communities and ways they don't in the city to reschedule our lives and schedule our time . >> having spent so much time straddling and writing about the urban rural divide, do you see any way for a path forward for increase mutual understanding between the coasts and the middle? >> it's such a great question and you know, if i could, with three bullet points or if i can pretend like i have three bullet points, i know that i could probably really make major media really happy but i think it's really hard

and i've resisted the temptation to save you all need to do because it feels disingenuous but i have a few things to say versus in this book you see me have really difficult conversations with people who are very different than i am and our conversations are around god and evolution and gender and really everything you there was really nothing that i didn't think it turned over and talk about my hope is that in reading this book other people can say wow, look at theseconversations . maybe i can happen to. at the age part of the book the b part is i really hope we have a reader. in november who doesn't exacerbate our differences. doesn't talk down to farmers. who doesn't talk down to anybody but really loves the country. and hence he was in a way that is intelligence.

that would be very helpful i think because right now i think problems are exacerbated by having a leader in place who likes to inflame the population. that seems to thrive on people being riled up and being upset and that's not helpful . >> marie, thank you so much for joining us today. it was fascinating and wonderful and important. >> like you so much for having me depart at the festival and i'm so sad i didn't get to be there in person i really appreciate that we get to be here like this and i hope people buy books and if it's not my book , as beth said i hope that people buy books from you. >> marie's book is "american harvest: god, country and farming in theheartland" . now in a beautiful hardcover gray wolf press which is a

publisher in the center of the country, it'snot coastal . you can buy it by clicking on thebutton down there . we have plenty of stock to be delivered to lawrence on monday area and everybody you see you next year in real life for paper planes. >> .. mike leiter posting the president of new america and the vice president of new america, so welcome to the conversation on the occasion of the publication of "more than ready," cecilia is wonderful