that will go a long way to help the police, give them the expectation, create the expectation you got to penetrate that police culture and i think insist that the police themselves, and hold themselves to the same standards they hold civilians. i think that was one strategy we ought to be pushing. >> host: you think the police officers themselves would bond together in order to keep that from happening? >> guest: they may or may not. i used a volunteer with the national black police association in the 70s and 80s. and even when there were fewer black officers. many of them would not respond in civilian clothes to a crime inog progress because they did not want to showw up with a gun and have white police come and shoot them thinking they were the perpetrator. but they used to do is call

y 911. what they came up with though was all police officers if they witness a police officer committing elite illegal act they pledge to arrest that officer. so the black police association in the 1970s and 19 '80s pass that resolution among themselves that they would do that whether or not it was sanctioned by the department are not. i think that something that ought to be discussed is one of the remedies of others. >> guest: robert woodson of theer woodson center joining us for this conversation. check out the organization. we are going to georgia go ahead. >> caller: hello i would just like to say i appreciate mr. robert wood, he said one word that really caught my attention and that was solutions. i remember when i was younger,

police weren't like they were today. it's home of leg police are policing for profit to keep the court houses full of lawyers and people are being arrestedrr and harassed for things that are really not c crimes. victimless crime. i've got examples i'm aye guy. i have got a great example of how me and my two sons were harassed coming fromho colorado to georgia. wewe had georgia tags, we was bring in the camper home and the police fold my son over first. we waited on him at the next exit. the law enforcement came to the camper were me and my

oldest son was they brought a doll they thought we are hauling something from colorado, i guess we'd call the maid that dog hit that camper. that dog had went around the campers several times and never barked until the police officer made it bark. >> okay will take which are brought to the table and responded that guye had. >> guest: all of those can perhaps have an example is also examples of the police officers saving lives,, rescuing children and we have something weht ought to emphasize, good things whenhe they happen as well. there needs to be some balance in this discussion. you get more of what you reward than what you've punished. the only time we talk about impolice officers is when there is some infraction of the rules. that is going to create a hostile climate. we alsois need to celebrate when

police officers do heroic things, save people from accidents and whatnot. we need to treat them the way you need want to be treated yourself. >> guest: charlotte north carolina, good morning. >> caller: good morning. i want to talk about what mr. robert woodson is talking about the police that we should talk about what the police are supposed to do they are killing people that they be.ldn't they always talk about what goes on in the black communities. they never talk about what's goes in the white communities. crime is committed white on white crime to the police are killing black people explained to me why they're not killing white people. white people kill people too. one out of every 100 white men are rapists why are they doing

them the same they're doing to black people? >> host: okay, mr. woodson. >> guest: at sun fortune the attention has to be focused on with what'sll happening with black people. i think you're right the problems they need to be talk about what is the proper role of police but it ought to be a respectful discussion. it should not begin with an accusation. police should not have to prove that they aree faithful to their duties. we should begin with an open mind. i am just saying holy police in our country. the line between anarchy, i don't ever want to live in the situation where this in absence of police. i think it would be chaotic. we went mr. woodson there's a conversation going along the past couple weeks about qualified immunity whether

changes are needed when it comes to police officers word you stand on that? >> guest: i'm sorry say that again. >> host: qualified immunity for police officers. where do you stand on that issue because it's been a discussion point going along with what's happened the last couple of weeks. >> guest: i don't really know enough about it to comment on it i pride myself something i don't know i don't say it. i don't know. >> host: loretta south carolina go-ahead. >> caller: i just want to ask mr. woodson to get this straight. i assume what you are saying is the police should be allowed to do what they want to do in order to keep them from throwing a tantrum and into the communities in protecting people in other words, let them do it they want to do.

how do you propose -- what should be done to keep police from killing us. because it sounds to me like you are on the payroll of the police and bill cosby and all of those sort of people. what do you propose that should be done to keep cops from killing us? allowing, telling other cops to hold other c cops accountable is a law law. that is a lala land dream. >> guest: well first of all let me say to you everything i've written and said i said at the beginning police should be held to a higher standard than anyone else. but let me tell you personally that inel my life i have lost a 29-year-old brother whose shot

and killed, leaving behind five children, 17 euros niece who was raped and murdered, 23-year-old nephew who was shot and killed by a young man he grew up with and both parents have to see each other every weekend at the grocery. two other men's nephews reported intensive care. not a single one of you -- was assaulted by aye police officer. they were assaulted by another black person. so therefore, the problem is internal and there is where we ought to be addressing the problem right now. so no, we need -- likely a thousand people are shot by police officers throughout the country, 9000 blacks kill other blacks every year. so i ask you, where should our priorities life if you really care about black lives, we ought to be taking steps like

we do help organizations within that community to reduce violence. that aside personal responsibility. their external bears we must face. we also have a personal responsibility to take care of the internal. >> host: los angeles, california, hello. >> caller: i have a question for you, and i may have been misunderstanding you. earlier you said there's a high incident of black on black crime. so if blacks don't care about blacks why should anyone else care? i want you to clarify that. it seems to me it's a lot of blacks killing blacks, we should be very concerned about it because when your relatives were victims there many black victims out there. so their lives do matter and we should care about it.

i'm little confused about your statement i just wanted you to clarify for me. >> guest: the only time you see demonstrations like you are witnessing around the country, the only time we do that is when aye person kills a black person. i carry around with me the picture of one of 20 young black children all under the age of nine. three years ago in milwaukee, wisconsin a 5-year-old, beautiful little girl was sitting on her grandfather's lap at the dinner table when a ebola came through and hit her in the head. and it was not even front page news there is nobody demonstrating like this. there were 23 black children in six months killed on our streets. but no one is demonstrating about that, no one is having discussions about what we can do to combat it.

but let one white police officer shoot or murder one black person and we know the name of that person, memorials are developed for them and they become the cause of a movement to solve the problem just asking for some proportionality. let's put our time and energy, focus on the largest problem we have. that is those deaths internally and there is nothing white people can do externally to help us solve that problem that is internal to us. we must address it but in order to address that we have to acknowledge the importance of it. right now doesn't seem to be important. the only time we get upset is when a white person takes a black person's life. >> guest: we will hear next from dorina massachusetts.

>> caller: good morning thank you for taking my call adjustment to stay at the start that when i watch the video of george floyd i was totally disgusted, could not believe something like that could happen and thought he should have been arrested immediately and why he wasn't i don't understand that. withe wasn't charged first-degree murder rather than third period and now second degree murder. that was with out totally, completely democrat administration in that area i think it was more so tensions could inflame, violence could rub and it could get out in the media and all these protesters. my question is with the black lives matter, when they first started that group back, three or four years ago i think it was back with michael brown and other cases that cops

killed an unarmed black man in the whole hands up don't shoot sorry little nervous hands up don't shoot. that started all these protest that mayor of baltimore i'm not sure if it was the michael brown case or another case came out and said for the police to stand back and let the citizens destroyed which caused all of the chaos in that city burning cars looting we watched it live on tv. >> guest: during the apologized but wanted to have time for our guests to address. >> caller: the cases of black lives matter back then is investigated by the obama administration by erica halter a black attorney general found those officers were not guilty that shooting did not happen it was a lie. >> guest: june to response any

that? >> guest: i don't think she's right wegu need to be honest in these kind of cases but again i go back to my point why are we even discussing it and making it a major cause for demonstrations in them ignoring the more pervasive problems of black on black violence. >> host: robert woodson's with the words in center you can find the work at woodson .-middle-dot org he serves as their founder and president, mr. woodson thank you for your time this morning. >> guest: and thank you for having me. ♪ ♪'s two c-span washington journal every day we are taking you live on the air with the news of the day and we will discuss policy issues that impact you will talk about policing during the covid-19 pandemic and nationwide civil unrest president of the national association and will talk

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coronavirus and protests are both gripping the state, especially coronavirus. this is president trump's newly adopted states. that doesn't seem to making much of a difference in the polls. he currently when you look at the surveys in florida is doing pretty badly think politics average showed eight points. kind of an astonishing margin it's a bigger than hillary clinton's was at this point having covered a number very close races in florida going back to the 2000 presidential election that the presidency by fiber and 37 votes after 37 days of recounting i always get suspicious or wary showing polls in the big blowup in the top ticket range. i don't see him winning by eight points up just me. >> he looked back at 2016 was a very close race between hillary clinton and donald trump. why was it so competitive back then and what are the lessons

of both parties as we move into this election question works. >> politics is all about turnout. if you look back finally slice the data which is pretty fascinating, as when the absentee ballot in the mail in ballots were counted on election day morning and the pre-election day early in person votes are counted with them she was ahead by about two to 50000 votes. she ended up losing by about 115,000 that means there's like three and 50000 or so search in margin and republican voters and enable trump to win there is a huge turnout of his voters especially in counties where we are surprised at the level of turnout, southwest florida one naples is located there is a turnout of about 90% that's nine out of ten people showed up and voted, a disproportionate number voted republican parade that's an important thing to keep in mind. also it's florida, 2016

president trump's 1.9 percentage point victory over clinton was bigger than obama's one-point victory in 2012. 2018 and the midterms, with senate race, governor's race and financial officer although to recount. there was a margin of half a percent or less. we had a history of post- elections, why? it looked like the nest under rest of the nation were satan flux, and ever since 2000 as i referenced earlier both political parties have seen this as being crucial especially in the presidential race ... the electoral college the democrats are going to win california is vegas 55 electoral college votes. they will win new york which is now the fourth largest state behind florida vest 29 votes if the republicans did not know in florida he's arty

essentially so far behind it's impossible to catch up. still possible is on 2016th because trump had been able to play the straight flush my wedding wisconsin, pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, he did not need to in florida. this year they are little more doubtful about being able to do that in florida is a must win state for republican not so much for the democrats. >> in terms of political power what does the governor bring to this truck camping? >> he has favorable numbers that are higher than his unfavorable numbers that's an important thing taking a bit of a shot in his capability ratings delays handled coronavirus. are the weight the national news media has portrayed florida with the coronavirus. i do have some issue with some of the coverage but that's for another day. as the head of the state, the governor is picking the

secretary of state who oversees elections and the like. if it looks like didn't you thousand 12 huge lines of people waiting to cast early votes, the governor of the time made sure to get people more to do that. later on, or that was thousand eight pardon me. in 2012 when governor scott saw these huge lines he did not open the polls for longer early voting the governor as to be able to expand the election to cast bouts. the elections in florida has more authority and more ability may have more voting accounting and processes in order to get ready for the fact that a lot of people are probably going to be staying at home voting that way. that is one kind of tangible specific and practical way in which there affecting the conducting of the election for the orchestration of the

election machinery prior to the election. suman can you talk but the corridor between orlando and tampa that's the between area between states. what other parts of the state, right now are you looking at potentially either turned to donald trump or joe biden? >> i'm not necessary looking at flipping counties. although pinellas county which is the eye for core door that voted for democrats into the thousands 16 at might have flipped the truck. always very close. it is a mail-in voting county. it is rather white but has a more moderate sensibility. it's funny watch. and referenced earlier collier county in southwest florida and lee county looks to the north of it in southwest those counties could have really big turnout coupled with the more rural counties and deliver trump once again a margin of victory occurred i usually

look at florida's voting patterns not by region but by race. we, like the rest of the nation have verizon voters based on a 62% of the registered voters here are white not hispanic. about 17% are hispanic and about 13% are black and there is a miss mash of others in the voter rolls. if there is a low latino turnout, which there might be. that will be bad news for joe biden. he needs to get a good 60% vote out of them and hide turnout. we are expecting therapy are relatively high white turnout because we usually is the usually over perform few look at the polling nationally the older white voters starting to hemorrhage their sport is but happens forward and i will say if i'm saying this in june anything can happen as i've seen the election is many

moons, many miles and many centuries seen into the future a lot is a lot between now and then. >> host: of course florida senate president's home state to think that will make any difference? >> guest: makes it to this degree resin trump knows he needs to win florida. just like a lot of very large corporations with the federal government, and campaigns they break down the nation and region davis southeast region of the southeast state. trump has the same state but unlike anyone else he made florida his whole region is georgia, mississippi and alabama in one region but florida is its own region that's how important estate is to him how much attention he will pay to the state when he announced officially his reelection bid, he did with equity and he'll be back. >> host: the site but the democratic ticket result

lobbyist a dell is on the shortlist. if she is selected and there's a long ways to go before the selection is made the summer what impact that have on the state potentially? >> my guess is, that's assuming its message properly and that's a big assumption in african-american woman at the top of the ticket or running mate with joe biden would do a bit to boost black voter turnout. we have pretty good data that shows us roughly nine and ten african-american show up at the polls will vote democrat. the question is how many are going to show up, what is the turnout going to be. that is where elections again are won and lost. but again one of the most dumbest things in politics but accurate it's all about turnout. if he's able to hold older voters and boost black turnout in which hillary clinton was unable to do than it looks like a biden when here. again those are big gifts we don't know i want to follow-up on that for anyone who is

looking thinking forecasting election i would never do that. sometimes in florida you flip a coin to susan win and lands on its edge. >> another speculation on convention. is there a chance they will host the republican convention this august? >> guest: there's a very good chance. they'd called president trump when he saw president trump complaining said north carolina was jerking him around and he's like come on down to florida, check out jacksonville. that's a pretty ideal situation for the president in this regard there's a republican heavy county, also on the border of georgia. the downtime for jacksonville is this. i don't think there is a covered arena that would be adequate for having the big kind of row he wants. remember president trump is a rally politician he is a

movement politician he needs those big crowds and he hasn't had that. if you look at a poll that's one of the reasons he's not doing as well. serve jacksonville doesn't get its prey based on facilities and hotel availability them political whim will or desire. if the county or the city of jacksonville had a covered stadium i would be much better on their chances but right now there's a good shot but i'm not how much good shot it is. >> host: finally every politician says it's all about turnout, turnout turnout. so in light of the pandemic, how does that impact the get out and vote activities for both parties moving into the fall? >> guest: that's a great question one of the things they is going to hurt democrats as they have been able to register voters as they want. obama's election and reelection as he was able to grow the voter roll ahead of the actual day people cast ballots. he was able to cat on a new and replenish surge of fresh

voters. the democrats tend to excel registering voter because their base comes from those are frequent voters relatives republicans prayed they've been unable to get out there and register people kinda to sign up show up and turn out. that's a potential problem how much of a problem? i'm not sure mentioned earlier doing wellin the state. steam act expect to see a lot of campaigning between now and november? >> guest: i do and i'm basing it on guts and past experience like the past five top the ticket races here. if someone wins by two points here will be an utter blowout. i would tell people they see polls showing that the democrats are winning by eight points in june, do not expect that in november. i could eat my words, i am fully ready for a very close race here. that could take longer by the

way that in the past is because we are looking at the probability of more vote by mail ballots taking more time. >> host: no doubt we will check-in more often with you, marcus joining us for miami his work available at politico.com. thanks for being here with us. >> thank you. ♪ ♪ >> the president from public affairs, available now in paperback and e-book. presents biographies of every president, organized by the ranking, by noted historians from best to worst. and features perspective into the lives of our nation's chief executives and leadership styles. visit our website, cspan.org/thepresident to learn more about each president and historian feature. in order your copy today, wherever books and e-books are sold. : :

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